Madman unviels poll: top 20 anime.

[Holy Knight]

Originally Posted by RooRoo

Man you guys are sticklers. Also I don't think One piece takes the Cake over Bebop, you should be ashamed that you even thought that.

See! No one can agree.

Although thinking about it, a list is perhaps possible if no effort is made to sort out the "top X" anime, and if we set a criteria of "what would be the best as viewed from your perspective today?" and add "no anime may be less than X year(s) old" or something of the sort.

That should discard some historically significant anime no one cares about while also taking care of Flavour-of-the-Month.

[Gatomon]

Making a list needs certain parameters. If we are going for historically significant Anime then the list will be so much different than one that everyone would come up with. Certain animated shows broke ground and helped shape what we now watch in many ways. Just as Tetsu Atom started the Anime. Other shows that we all may have watched also shaped the anime we now watch and buy. Take Star-Blazers and Macross. They brought anime back to the masses here when it had ebbed and died after the first shows. Then there was the Dragon Ball revolution that again brought anime back to the masses. One can go on for pages about what is the best or most significant. I'll let everyone decide on what we need to use as a basis for our top 20 anime's from over the years.

[Driver]

Just throwing this out there but Bebop did what took One piece 10 years and 400 more episodes to do and that was achieve greatness and what is considered one of the greatest anime of all time.

Bebop>One piece, thats it, game over, end of story, apple sauce, we're done here.

Bebop= Michael Jordan with 6 championships and the title of greatest basketball player of alll time.
One piece= Labron James, with numerous playoff appearances, many years ahead of him, no championships, considered a very good basketball player.

Ps. I don't even watch basketball and that^^ just happened.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Originally Posted by RooRoo

Bebop= Michael Jordan with 6 championships and the title of greatest forward/guard outside of Irving "Magic Johnson" of all time and one of the greatest players of all time.


One piece= Magic Johnson, 5 championships, could play every position with equal poise, and is the single best basketball player of all time.

Fixed

Originally Posted by RooRoo

Ps. I don't even watch basketball and that^^ just happened.

I had to correct you though.


Like Desslock said it's comparing apples to oranges. Two series that accomplish hugely different goals with the same level of competence.

[goddessofanime]

Originally Posted by RooRoo

Just throwing this out there but Bebop did what took One piece 10 years and 400 more episodes to do and that was achieve greatness and what is considered one of the greatest anime of all time.

Bebop>One piece, thats it, game over, end of story, apple sauce, we're done here.

Bebop= Michael Jordan with 6 championships and the title of greatest basketball player of alll time.
One piece= Labron James, with numerous playoff appearances, many years ahead of him, no championships, considered a very good basketball player.

Ps. I don't even watch basketball and that^^ just happened.

Yet Bebop only lasted 26 episodes while OP is still chugging along 10+ years later

[superplough]

Originally Posted by RooRoo

Bebop>One piece

[Leader Desslock]

Originally Posted by RooRoo

Just throwing this out there but Bebop did what took One piece 10 years and 400 more episodes to do and that was achieve greatness and what is considered one of the greatest anime of all time.

Then like Arch-Defender, you have largely missed the point of Cowboy Bebop.

Cowboy Bebop wasn't popular in Japan; One Piece is. Only in the US is Bebop considered "one of the greatest anime of all time", I believe.

Both are great titles, both "achieved greatness", but the fanbase of One Piece is orders of magnitude larger than Bebop.

What Bebop did isn't just "achieve greatness". It's how that greatness was achieved that matters.

Bebop is a character study set to music; the narrative structure is that of the Jazz/Bebop musical form. Theme and variations.

By itself, that's just kinda cool, but not earthshaking. It's kind of an "artsy" thing to do, but then... Serial Experiments: Lain was just as much an "arts flick" kind of series. Glassy Ocean, Angel's Egg, Voices Of A Distant Star - these are all artsy kinds of shows. Some work, some don't, but you have to give the creators credit for breaking the mold and trying something new.

So Bebop was a non-traditional narrative. Great. So what? Well, the right director took the job, teamed up with the right music talent, got the right actors on board, the right animators with the right style, a good balance between action, drama and humor, and... BAM! They hit a home run. Bebop's a damned good series because a lot of talent came together and just got everything right. The fact that they did it while breaking the traditional narrative mold just makes it awesome.

One Piece isn't that kind of awesome; they're the opposite kind. One Piece is a very straightforward narrative. Joseph Campbell would've recognized it. It's not doing anything new. What makes One Piece awesome is that it's taking that shopworn formula and reminding everyone just how good it can be when given the master's touch.

Those are totally different types of awesome. Neither one's better than the other, it's just... they're both incredible series, done very well.

My reason for tossing One Piece out there was solely because I think it will have more of an impact on the industry than Bebop did. I mean, the fanbase for One Piece is much bigger, obviously. But after this many years, what kind of an impact did Bebop really have on the industry? It drew in some of the American fanbase, sure, but it's not like it redefined a genre or anything.

Samurai Champloo was an attempt (not as successful) to continue the Bebop trend. The new show that Kanno's working on may reveal some inspiration. But that's about it for Bebop's influence.

On the other hand, look at the shounen epic field - Naruto's winding down, Dragonball Whatever is coasting on undead momentum, Bleach is being wrapped up. But look at One Piece go without so much as a dip in profits! You have to think someone's gonna look at that and say, "But... why isn't our shounen epic still raking in the kind of cash that One Piece is?" That's going to have an impact.

[JoeHigarashi]

Originally Posted by RooRoo

^^agreed, ending totally sucked


I like that you have Desert Punk in your top 20 Joe. Great show, very funny and very underrated.

Thanks man! The reason why Desert Punk is on my list is because its was released back when Gonzo was still making great anime with shows like: Samurai 7,Gantz,Speed Grapher,Last Exile,Kiddy Grade,Full Metal Panic & of cours Kaleido Star!

Lately during the past few years,all they've done on their own is release crap.

[Arch-Defender]

Originally Posted by Leader Desslock

Then like Arch-Defender, you have largely missed the point of Cowboy Bebop.

Yeah now that I've actually re-watched some of Bebop with what you said in mind I have to admit I missed the point during my first watch, but to be fair it's probably because I was so bored out of my skull I wasn't even trying to find the point By the way, I still maintain what I said having re-watched some of it, sure there's a theme here and all but a theme alone doesn't sell it for me, they failed to make it entertaining. I mean I had actually forgotten everything about the show only about 5 months from seeing it, that never happens unless my interest is 0. I actually had to re-watch some of it to be able to argue back then, yeah that's what you did to me thanks by the way.

[autsiticanime]

#13 is now up...and I have a feeling people are about to riot.

http://www.madman.com.au/top20/countdown/13

[superplough]

Originally Posted by autsiticanime

#13 is now up...and I have a feeling people are about to riot.

http://www.madman.com.au/top20/countdown/13

Well, One Piece should definitely be on the list, and if I'm objective there are probably 12 shows better than it... but I bet the 12 shows that Madman list next aren't better than it

[Leader Desslock]

Originally Posted by Arch-Defender

Yeah now that I've actually re-watched some of Bebop with what you said in mind I have to admit I missed the point during my first watch, but to be fair it's probably because I was so bored out of my skull I wasn't even trying to find the point

Okay, so... did you catch the whole Bruce Lee / game Of Death reference in the episode where they got Ein?

There are a ton of older references like that. They make it entertaining for folks like me, who remember the references. If you don't (and at your age, you probably don't), then... okay, less entertaining for you.

Originally Posted by Arch-Defender

I actually had to re-watch some of it to be able to argue back then, yeah that's what you did to me thanks by the way.

At least you tried. Kudos!

[Bernard_Monsha]

I have a feeling ArchWorry would hate MST3K

[MechaFan]

Originally Posted by superplough

Well, One Piece should definitely be on the list, and if I'm objective there are probably 12 shows better than it... but I bet the 12 shows that Madman list next aren't better than it

I 'd

A mad man must've indeed made this top 20!

[ThePhillyFlash]

Okay, I'm down with Fruits Basket at #15 as the show was terrific, despite the crappy ending. Can't comment on Ouran at #14 since I've never seen it, meanwhile, I'm not surprised Cowboy Bebop made the cut at #13 as otaku the world over crush on that show, why I don't know.