The Death of TV and it's effects on Anime.

Broand · February 7th, 2011, 12:59 PM

In many respects, the TV is slowly dieing off and internet outlets are on the rise. Should the TV meet an unfortunate fate, could this mean a rise in Anime viewing and possible sales? With personalized TV, people could get reasonable access to anime programs and licenses would be made cheaper. Is this a viable scenario? I understand certain aspects such as piracy could affect the distribution a small amount.

Soluzar · February 7th, 2011, 02:35 PM

I don't even remotely understand this thread. There are still some decent shows for the intelligent viewer, and the loathsome reality shows get good ratings from the moronic masses, so how is TV dying off?

ThePhillyFlash · February 7th, 2011, 11:59 PM

Print mediums (i.e. newspapers, magazines) are dying out like the dinosaurs, but people are STILL watching TV, as evidenced by the ratings from Sunday's Super Bowl which was watched by a whopping 111 million people. Besides, for whatever it's worth, anime never had a really solid footing on the boob tube anyway.

Broand · February 8th, 2011, 05:08 AM

I'm saying that TV may well be on its way out due to the increasing popularity of the internet. Internet TV may become the new TV. If this were to occur, effects on anime, etc..

firedragon54738 · February 8th, 2011, 08:27 AM

Well it is true that there a lot less anime on now then 5 years ago do to better streaming. But I dont think anime on TV isnt going to end any time soon

Broand · February 9th, 2011, 02:13 AM

I'm not saying it's going to end. I'm saying that if TV is on its way out, and internet streaming becomes the new TV (what with systems like plugging a TV into your internet and streaming), Anime sales could be effected. I'm talking about TV dieing in general.

old hat · February 9th, 2011, 03:13 AM

I see no evidence that TV is on the way out. Pretty much all of the episodes I see streamed on the internet are archived versions of episodes that have already aired on TV. The shows are made for TV and then streamed over the internet after initial airing. By the time the shows hits the internet, it has already been made for and broadcast on TV and paid for by TV advertising revenues.

Gray · February 9th, 2011, 09:42 AM

lol @ this thread.

TV isn't going anywhere. Thread over.

Brill · February 10th, 2011, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Broand

In many respects, the TV is slowly dieing off and internet outlets are on the rise. Should the TV meet an unfortunate fate, could this mean a rise in Anime viewing and possible sales? With personalized TV, people could get reasonable access to anime programs and licenses would be made cheaper. Is this a viable scenario? I understand certain aspects such as piracy could affect the distribution a small amount.

Viewership for TV may be down as people use alternative methods for watching TV episodes like Tivo or Hulu, but they will never replace TV. Just because the 18-34 demographic thinks streaming is the best thing since sliced bread doesn't mean the 35-100 demographic does. They've got more people, and more inportantly more money to spend. You're not going to see a $3 million Dorritos 30-sec ad air on Hulu, but you will see one in the Superbowl.

goddessofanime · February 10th, 2011, 02:26 PM

Tv isn't dying out, despite the constant cries of 'STEAMING IS THE NEW TV'.

And anime has jack to do with it. Most fans usually either look at it on a streaming site or fansub it.

Etchd · February 10th, 2011, 06:02 PM

TV won't die. How are you supposed to play console games or watch BDs/DVDs if you don't have one?

That said, it won't affect anime at all. Studios sell BDs/DVDs with extras.

Mr. sickVisionz · February 11th, 2011, 04:29 AM

If TV died I can't imagine how that would increase sales. If it did, I don't think it'd effect anime. There's a thing called fansubs and rips that have let people watch anime via the internet for years now. If internet viewing was gonna boost sales it would have happened already.

Classic · February 11th, 2011, 10:08 AM

I think this is more of a "what if" senario but if something similar happened I think there would be major crack downs on licensing and making things online Pay-per-view.

**John** · February 11th, 2011, 10:27 AM

The quick answer is that anime series like Ontama, Starry Sky, Hetalia, Psychic Academy, I Wish You Were Here, and Maho Yuugi have been made specifically for the web, but so far there's not enough evidence that there's viable money to be made in online advertising revenue to support shifting the bulk of television production to web production. At least one study has suggested that internet distribution does have a minimal positive impact on DVD sales, but the results of that study seemed to find that internet distribution has a nearly negligable impact on sales. So right now, transitioning major, mainstream anime production from TV to internet distribution doesn't make financial sense because internet broadcast doesn't generate the revenue or the DVD sales that conventional television broadcast generates.

dragonrider_cod · February 20th, 2011, 05:09 PM

I don't think TV is necessarily dying out. However, I think the concept of linear TV channels is slowly dying. Viewership is becoming much more fragmented and the highest rated TV shows today only have a fraction of the audience a few decades ago. I think options like VOD, online streaming and options like iTunes and PSN have made TV more accommodating to viewers. It's also made keeping track of ratings much harder to do.

As to how this will affect anime licensing and prices, well it's really hard to say. License prices have worked their way the past few years, though this is likely due just as much to decreasing ratings and sales as it is to the decreased ability of anime companies to bid on the licenses. If linear TV continues to deal with increasingly fragmented audiences, it's likely that prices will decline but the overall business will decline as well. There is no guarantee that lower prices mean more more anime will be acquired.

We've already have a general decrease in the anime on TV, with the exception of Anime Network and the Funimation Channel and I imagine that will increase. Of course, despite the growth in streaming, it's unlikely it will ever meet the financial requirements of current production standards.

February 7th, 2011, 12:59 PM	#1
Broand Throw your life away for justice! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,666	The Death of TV and it's effects on Anime. In many respects, the TV is slowly dieing off and internet outlets are on the rise. Should the TV meet an unfortunate fate, could this mean a rise in Anime viewing and possible sales? With personalized TV, people could get reasonable access to anime programs and licenses would be made cheaper. Is this a viable scenario? I understand certain aspects such as piracy could affect the distribution a small amount. __________________ Lord Timeaus is banned. He's no longer here. However, In my posts... and in my infractions. He continues to post on! Digging a hole to pierce the trolls. WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I DESPAIR!

February 7th, 2011, 02:35 PM	#2
Soluzar Double rainbow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: All the way across the sky... Posts: 13,580 Blog Entries: 45	I don't even remotely understand this thread. There are still some decent shows for the intelligent viewer, and the loathsome reality shows get good ratings from the moronic masses, so how is TV dying off? __________________ One day men will ask... "Where did it start?" We shall tell them it started here. Join the ranks of Team Soluzar! Protect the forum against the threat of unexpected Prons incursions. Your forum needs YOU.

February 7th, 2011, 11:59 PM	#3
ThePhillyFlash Starcrossed shrine maidens Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The City of Brotherly & Sisterly Desu! Posts: 10,182	Print mediums (i.e. newspapers, magazines) are dying out like the dinosaurs, but people are STILL watching TV, as evidenced by the ratings from Sunday's Super Bowl which was watched by a whopping 111 million people. Besides, for whatever it's worth, anime never had a really solid footing on the boob tube anyway. __________________ "Back off, man. I’m a scientist." ----Peter Venkman, Ghostbusters Avatar: Chikane Himemiya and Himeko Kurusegawa, Kannazuki no Miko My Anime List / Pink Lady / Anime watched in 2013: 212 episodes (35 anime: 26 watching, 9 completed)

February 8th, 2011, 05:08 AM	#4
Broand Throw your life away for justice! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,666	I'm saying that TV may well be on its way out due to the increasing popularity of the internet. Internet TV may become the new TV. If this were to occur, effects on anime, etc.. __________________ Lord Timeaus is banned. He's no longer here. However, In my posts... and in my infractions. He continues to post on! Digging a hole to pierce the trolls. WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I DESPAIR!

February 8th, 2011, 08:27 AM	#5
firedragon54738 Nekokota Festival Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: wisconsin Posts: 2,256	Well it is true that there a lot less anime on now then 5 years ago do to better streaming. But I dont think anime on TV isnt going to end any time soon __________________ It was a Summer that seemed as short as a moment in time but as long as all eternity I like catgirls

February 9th, 2011, 02:13 AM	#6
Broand Throw your life away for justice! Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,666	I'm not saying it's going to end. I'm saying that if TV is on its way out, and internet streaming becomes the new TV (what with systems like plugging a TV into your internet and streaming), Anime sales could be effected. I'm talking about TV dieing in general. __________________ Lord Timeaus is banned. He's no longer here. However, In my posts... and in my infractions. He continues to post on! Digging a hole to pierce the trolls. WHO THE HELL DO YOU THINK I DESPAIR!

February 9th, 2011, 03:13 AM	#7
old hat Cure Shouty! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The fairy tale land of Aztlan. Posts: 14,523 Blog Entries: 160	I see no evidence that TV is on the way out. Pretty much all of the episodes I see streamed on the internet are archived versions of episodes that have already aired on TV. The shows are made for TV and then streamed over the internet after initial airing. By the time the shows hits the internet, it has already been made for and broadcast on TV and paid for by TV advertising revenues. __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/oldhat "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." -George Washington

February 9th, 2011, 09:42 AM	#8
Gray Annoyed Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,002	lol @ this thread. TV isn't going anywhere. Thread over.

February 10th, 2011, 02:26 PM	#10
goddessofanime Back in black Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: BACK ONLINE Posts: 22,060 Blog Entries: 23	Tv isn't dying out, despite the constant cries of 'STEAMING IS THE NEW TV'. And anime has jack to do with it. Most fans usually either look at it on a streaming site or fansub it. __________________ Avatar: Saitou Hajime, Hakuoki version Book blog!http://nogara40.wordpress.com/

February 10th, 2011, 06:02 PM	#11
Etchd How Do I Shot Zauber? Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Fanart and Fanfiction forum... I'm always there... Posts: 543	TV won't die. How are you supposed to play console games or watch BDs/DVDs if you don't have one? That said, it won't affect anime at all. Studios sell BDs/DVDs with extras. __________________ *I am a Kana Hanazawa fanboy.* 10.05.11 -- A day I should let everybody remember. Ten years. What am I doing with my life again? ANUnity will never leave my <3.

February 11th, 2011, 04:29 AM	#12
Mr. sickVisionz Your baby mama's favorite AN member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,565	If TV died I can't imagine how that would increase sales. If it did, I don't think it'd effect anime. There's a thing called fansubs and rips that have let people watch anime via the internet for years now. If internet viewing was gonna boost sales it would have happened already. __________________ In My Lifetime

February 11th, 2011, 10:08 AM	#13
Classic Power Crystal Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Climbin' in yo windo Posts: 87	I think this is more of a "what if" senario but if something similar happened I think there would be major crack downs on licensing and making things online Pay-per-view. __________________ "You'd think so."

February 11th, 2011, 10:27 AM	#14
John Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,107	The quick answer is that anime series like Ontama, Starry Sky, Hetalia, Psychic Academy, I Wish You Were Here, and Maho Yuugi have been made specifically for the web, but so far there's not enough evidence that there's viable money to be made in online advertising revenue to support shifting the bulk of television production to web production. At least one study has suggested that internet distribution does have a minimal positive impact on DVD sales, but the results of that study seemed to find that internet distribution has a nearly negligable impact on sales. So right now, transitioning major, mainstream anime production from TV to internet distribution doesn't make financial sense because internet broadcast doesn't generate the revenue or the DVD sales that conventional television broadcast generates.

February 20th, 2011, 05:09 PM	#15
dragonrider_cod Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 431	I don't think TV is necessarily dying out. However, I think the concept of linear TV channels is slowly dying. Viewership is becoming much more fragmented and the highest rated TV shows today only have a fraction of the audience a few decades ago. I think options like VOD, online streaming and options like iTunes and PSN have made TV more accommodating to viewers. It's also made keeping track of ratings much harder to do. As to how this will affect anime licensing and prices, well it's really hard to say. License prices have worked their way the past few years, though this is likely due just as much to decreasing ratings and sales as it is to the decreased ability of anime companies to bid on the licenses. If linear TV continues to deal with increasingly fragmented audiences, it's likely that prices will decline but the overall business will decline as well. There is no guarantee that lower prices mean more more anime will be acquired. We've already have a general decrease in the anime on TV, with the exception of Anime Network and the Funimation Channel and I imagine that will increase. Of course, despite the growth in streaming, it's unlikely it will ever meet the financial requirements of current production standards.