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**Bernard_Monsha** · May 19th, 2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Prons

I liked Enterprise season 1

So did I. I tried to watch Nemesis again but could not make it past the go cart chase.

l0k1 · May 19th, 2010, 12:17 PM

Well I've seen every episode of every season of each incarnation, because y'know I'm amazing.

All of the series started out pretty bad:

TOS had...Christopher Pike?

TNG had lycra suits, strict military discipline, Tasha Yar, Worf in pink and Brent Spiner trying too hard.

DS9 had Sisko with hair, non exciting runabouts, some quite bad over acting (Bashir/Odo) and some quite terrible aliens.

Voyager had too much Kes, a lack of 7of9, boring planets, a tiring rivalry between the two crews and a female captain.

Enterprise had a painfully weak ship that lost nearly every fight, a lack of direction, barely any introduction to the races that they were meant to be meeting, sulibans and a lack of quantum leaping.

Of course the counter point to all of this is what's known as character development, which is why we can all agree DS9 went on to be the best series.

Now we've established that I shall go on to provide a detailed list of why we all love Captain Benjamin Sisko.

Emissary to the Prophets
Son of a god, making him technically a demi-god
Led countless engagements against the Klingons, Cardassians and Jem'Hadar
Second only to the Admiral of the Federation alliance, practically won the Dominion War by himself
Captained the first Defiant-class Federation vessel (essentially the Federations first warship)
Took the Defiant into many battles, destroying hundreds of enemy ships
Punched Q in the face
Used a forged datarod to trick the Romulans into joining the Dominion War, when found out aided in the assassination of a powerful Romulan senator
On one occasion led the Defiant against over a thousand Dominion ships with the intention of taking them on alone
Retook a Dominion controlled DS9...by himself
Retook a Circle controlled DS9 using guerilla tactics
While in an alternate reality had sex with his best friend (Dax, while she thought he was somebody else)
His 16 year-old son Jake was ****ing a 20 year-old Dabo girl
Went back in time and ****ed up history by replacing a key historical figure... told Starfleet to **** off when they questioned his motives
Once brutally beat a Klingon to death because he was between him and the blood wine
Can whip up a creme chocolate souffle with one hand while fighting off Jam'Hadar warriors with the other
Could make such a convincing Klingon he even had Worf fooled
Rendered a human populated planet uninhabitable forcing the inhabitants to flee just to flush out a single man
Spoke down to Picard, a superior at the time, and made him go tinkle in his little red pyjamas: Wolf THREE. FIVE. NINE!
Arrested his fiance for treason of which she was sentenced to 2 years in Federal prison, didn't shed a single tear
Often used blackmail and threats to maintain order on the Promenade
And last but not least... tackled a ubered Gul Dukat into Hell, became a God

To sum up,

"I lied... I cheated... I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all: I think I can live with it, and if I had to do it all over again, I would."

-Captain Benjamin Sisko.

Woooh · May 19th, 2010, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by old hat

Kira was central to the storylines involving Bajor including the religious elements. If you didn't like that, you almost certainly didn't like her much better than Kai Winn. I thought it was good but sometimes overplayed.

I always thought that In The Pale Moonlight was the best DS9 episode and maybe the best Trek episode overall.

I hated Kai Winn also.

In the Pale Moonlight was indeed an excellent episode.

old hat · May 19th, 2010, 06:01 PM

I decided I liked Sisko when he punched Q in the face.

Everyone hated Kai Winn. She was a stupid, annoying *****.

Ikari Warrior · May 19th, 2010, 07:00 PM

Was that a chuck norris or sisko post, lok1?

j/k

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Originally Posted by old hat

Everyone hated Kai Winn. She was a stupid, annoying *****.

Agreed. There are ways to make a character not-liked by other characters, without making her genuinely awful. It annoys me how hideously two-dimensional her character was.

Anamin · May 21st, 2010, 02:46 AM

I was hardcore TNG until. . . I had some time on my hands. DS9. It was cheezy, but I jumped in at S3. Two words. . .Gul Dukat. Frikkin' love Gul Dukat. The writing is much better later in the series. I enjoyed the arcs. TNG for the classic and DS9 for the action-y type stuff. Gul Dukat ftw.

Siendra · June 22nd, 2010, 12:25 PM

Eugh. Todays episode of TNG is "The Child".

Can I go ahead and claim this simply the worst episode of any Trek ever?

**Bernard_Monsha** · June 22nd, 2010, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Siendra

Eugh. Todays episode of TNG is "The Child".

Can I go ahead and claim this simply the worst episode of any Trek ever?

No TNG episode is worse than "Masks".

Siendra · June 22nd, 2010, 12:45 PM

"Masks" was weird as hell, but it didn't make me want to drop kick a baby like "The Child" does.

I mean, really - a bad episode focused on a character that was still ridiculously under defined and we're introduced to Polanski... blarg.

I guess it is better than Spock's Brain. Barely.

Soluzar · June 22nd, 2010, 01:20 PM

Both episodes are awful, I don't know if I could choose which one I like less. "The Child" makes me cringe, whereas "Masks" is just incoherent and uninteresting. "Masks" has a lot less excuse for how bad it is though. I am not planning to watch either again any time soon.

**Bernard_Monsha** · June 22nd, 2010, 11:50 PM

Mask is so bad because it does not even try to have a story. It is like the writers were sitting around needing another episode and saw an ad for Belize right next to an ad for a Mardi Gras Krewe and thought "Lets make an episode about Mayan Mardi Gras taking over the Enterprise".

The Million Dollar Prons · June 24th, 2010, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Siendra

Eugh. Todays episode of TNG is "The Child".

Can I go ahead and claim this simply the worst episode of any Trek ever?

No way dude that one was hot, Troi got it on with like a ghost space monster thing.

Clayton · July 2nd, 2010, 01:18 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE

You should read the book "I,Q". Only Star Trek Novel I liked. Had a scene in it where Qu is arguing with the Grand nagus and the Nagun thinks he's won.

Nagus: Ha! You've made one of the classic blunders. The most well known is never get involved in a land war on Vulcan. Only slightly less well known iis this: never go up against a Ferengi when profit is on the line!

(Later after Q outwits him)

Nagus: Inconceivable!
Data: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Jatz · July 6th, 2010, 05:57 AM

^ You've obviously never heard of William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Whoopi Goldberg, René Auberjonois, Sir Patrick Stewart, or any of the several guest actors that became famous after.

Siendra · July 8th, 2010, 08:22 AM

Shatner's caeer has pretty much been built off parodying himself after Star Trek. That doesn't really count. Whoopi was already famous and asked for a role on TNG. Arguably Patrick Stewart's only worth-while roles since TNG have been voice roles...

The rest are fair game.

May 19th, 2010, 12:17 PM	#47
l0k1 Actor Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Australia. Posts: 2,982 Blog Entries: 1	Well I've seen every episode of every season of each incarnation, because y'know I'm amazing. All of the series started out pretty bad: TOS had...Christopher Pike? TNG had lycra suits, strict military discipline, Tasha Yar, Worf in pink and Brent Spiner trying too hard. DS9 had Sisko with hair, non exciting runabouts, some quite bad over acting (Bashir/Odo) and some quite terrible aliens. Voyager had too much Kes, a lack of 7of9, boring planets, a tiring rivalry between the two crews and a female captain. Enterprise had a painfully weak ship that lost nearly every fight, a lack of direction, barely any introduction to the races that they were meant to be meeting, sulibans and a lack of quantum leaping. Of course the counter point to all of this is what's known as character development, which is why we can all agree DS9 went on to be the best series. Now we've established that I shall go on to provide a detailed list of why we all love Captain Benjamin Sisko. Emissary to the Prophets Son of a god, making him technically a demi-god Led countless engagements against the Klingons, Cardassians and Jem'Hadar Second only to the Admiral of the Federation alliance, practically won the Dominion War by himself Captained the first Defiant-class Federation vessel (essentially the Federations first warship) Took the Defiant into many battles, destroying hundreds of enemy ships Punched Q in the face Used a forged datarod to trick the Romulans into joining the Dominion War, when found out aided in the assassination of a powerful Romulan senator On one occasion led the Defiant against over a thousand Dominion ships with the intention of taking them on alone Retook a Dominion controlled DS9...by himself Retook a Circle controlled DS9 using guerilla tactics While in an alternate reality had sex with his best friend (Dax, while she thought he was somebody else) His 16 year-old son Jake was **ing a 20 year-old Dabo girl Went back in time and ed up history by replacing a key historical figure... told Starfleet to off when they questioned his motives Once brutally beat a Klingon to death because he was between him and the blood wine Can whip up a creme chocolate souffle with one hand while fighting off Jam'Hadar warriors with the other Could make such a convincing Klingon he even had Worf fooled Rendered a human populated planet uninhabitable forcing the inhabitants to flee just to flush out a single man Spoke down to Picard, a superior at the time, and made him go tinkle in his little red pyjamas: Wolf THREE. FIVE. NINE! Arrested his fiance for treason of which she was sentenced to 2 years in Federal prison, didn't shed a single tear Often used blackmail and threats to maintain order on the Promenade And last but not least... tackled a ubered Gul Dukat into Hell, became a God To sum up, "I lied... I cheated... I bribed men to cover the crimes of other men. I am an accessory to murder. But the most damning thing of all: I think I can live with it, and if I had to do it all over again, I would." -Captain Benjamin Sisko. __________________ War, never been so much fun.** Last edited by l0k1; May 19th, 2010 at 12:21 PM.

May 19th, 2010, 06:01 PM	#49
old hat Cure Shouty! Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: The fairy tale land of Aztlan. Posts: 14,519 Blog Entries: 160	I decided I liked Sisko when he punched Q in the face. Everyone hated Kai Winn. She was a stupid, annoying *****. __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/oldhat "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force; like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action." -George Washington

May 21st, 2010, 02:46 AM	#51
Anamin A little glass vial? Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: east coast Posts: 850	I was hardcore TNG until. . . I had some time on my hands. DS9. It was cheezy, but I jumped in at S3. Two words. . .Gul Dukat. Frikkin' love Gul Dukat. The writing is much better later in the series. I enjoyed the arcs. TNG for the classic and DS9 for the action-y type stuff. Gul Dukat ftw. __________________ -I brought you cashew butter. It's like peanut butter but with cashews. -What's wrong with peanuts?

June 22nd, 2010, 01:20 PM	#55
Soluzar Double rainbow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: All the way across the sky... Posts: 13,580 Blog Entries: 45	Both episodes are awful, I don't know if I could choose which one I like less. "The Child" makes me cringe, whereas "Masks" is just incoherent and uninteresting. "Masks" has a lot less excuse for how bad it is though. I am not planning to watch either again any time soon. __________________ One day men will ask... "Where did it start?" We shall tell them it started here. Join the ranks of Team Soluzar! Protect the forum against the threat of unexpected Prons incursions. Your forum needs YOU.

June 22nd, 2010, 11:50 PM	#56
Bernard_Monsha Peter Chung defiled my eyes Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Still better than Oliver Stone Posts: 12,580	Mask is so bad because it does not even try to have a story. It is like the writers were sitting around needing another episode and saw an ad for Belize right next to an ad for a Mardi Gras Krewe and thought "Lets make an episode about Mayan Mardi Gras taking over the Enterprise". __________________ N = C + {fb (cm) . fb (tc)} + fb (Ts) + fc . ta "When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier when it's called 'The People's Stick' ." Mikhail Bakunin "A citizen can hardly distinguish between a tax and a fine, except that the fine is generally much lighter." G. K. Chesterton

June 22nd, 2010, 12:25 PM	#52
Siendra Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,869	Eugh. Todays episode of TNG is "The Child". Can I go ahead and claim this simply the worst episode of any Trek ever?

June 22nd, 2010, 12:45 PM	#54
Siendra Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,869	"Masks" was weird as hell, but it didn't make me want to drop kick a baby like "The Child" does. I mean, really - a bad episode focused on a character that was still ridiculously under defined and we're introduced to Polanski... blarg. I guess it is better than Spock's Brain. Barely.

July 2nd, 2010, 01:18 PM	#58
Clayton Banned Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Behind you. Posts: 3,627	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCARADb9asE You should read the book "I,Q". Only Star Trek Novel I liked. Had a scene in it where Qu is arguing with the Grand nagus and the Nagun thinks he's won. Nagus: Ha! You've made one of the classic blunders. The most well known is never get involved in a land war on Vulcan. Only slightly less well known iis this: never go up against a Ferengi when profit is on the line! (Later after Q outwits him) Nagus: Inconceivable! Data: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

July 6th, 2010, 05:57 AM	#59
Jatz No user serviceable parts inside. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Home. Posts: 5,932 Blog Entries: 9	^ You've obviously never heard of William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Whoopi Goldberg, René Auberjonois, Sir Patrick Stewart, or any of the several guest actors that became famous after. __________________ "Gotta get in tune with Sailor Moon. Cause that cartoon has got the boom Anime babes that make me think the wrong thing." Barenaked Ladies' One Week

July 8th, 2010, 08:22 AM	#60
Siendra Registered User Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 4,869	Shatner's caeer has pretty much been built off parodying himself after Star Trek. That doesn't really count. Whoopi was already famous and asked for a role on TNG. Arguably Patrick Stewart's only worth-while roles since TNG have been voice roles... The rest are fair game. Last edited by Siendra; July 11th, 2010 at 10:57 PM.