Chinese Air Pollution Affecting Japan

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[giko]

Originally Posted by ablo

Why are you still accusing me of lying when I've given you the information. Read it, comment on it in specifics and then get back to me instead of making blanket statements that end up sounding more immature than anything else.
The phrase Zhonghua Minzu doesn't refer to an ethnicity specifically, but rather a supra group of related ethnicities called Chinese, with the Han being the largest.
Here is yet another source...
Zhonghua Minzu
The Chinese nation or Zhonghua minzu (), is a Chinese term that in modern China refers to the notion of a "Chinese nationality" transcending ethnic divisions - in other words, a civic "nationality" as opposed to an "ethnic" one, with a central loyalty to China as a whole. This "nationality" contains all peoples within the territorial boundaries of China integrated as one national, political, and perhaps even ideological-moral group.
Now do you understand?

No, it is not imformation. It is propaganda.
"Ethnicity" is not "Nationality".
Zhonghua Minzu (中華民族) only means "Ethnicity of Zhonghua". And it is just a fictional idea just like Nazi Germany's "Aryan Race".
You are just repeating communist's double standard propaganda. They just change the meanings in English and in the Chinese Ideograph.
By the way, can you read Chinese Ideograph?
I was thinking you were just lying, but you may be deceived by the communist's double standard propaganda too.

Originally Posted by ablo

They can be first if you really want. It doesn't matter.

It matters. So, what did you want to mean by "second category" Chinese at that time. And what do you want to mean by "first category" Chinese now.

Originally Posted by ablo

He's more than that. He was the political leader until the communists ousted him from Tibet in 1959 and he is currently the leader of the government in exile in India.

Yes he is.

Originally Posted by ablo

That's good of you. Send me links to places where I can help the Tibetan people. I would appreciate it. People are people and all life should be respected, be it the Tibetans or the Han Chinese.

I would like to send links, but I don't know about the protesters in the United States. I just saw some protesters and Tibetan flags in SFC during the Torch Relay on TV.

Originally Posted by ablo

If they did? What about the Okinawans?

Yes, Ainu people's democratic choice must be respected.
But Ainu tribes have never had a nation in its history, except Ezo's (aka Honshu Ainu) nation lead by Abe Clan from 8th century to 11th century. Even though Hokkaido Ainu, Sakhalin Ainu and Kuril Ainu tribes had wonderful cultures, they were stone age people. That is very different from "Tibet Kingdom". Tibet has a history of independent and united Kingdom for hundereds of years. As I know, there is no "Ainu Independence Movement" in Japan.

On the other hand, yes, there is Okinawan Independence Movement in Japan. Because Okinawa (Ryukyu) has a long time history as an independent Kingdom, just like Tibet Kingdom.
There is a political party called "Okinawan Independence Party (琉球独立党 or　かりゆしクラブ)", and their activities are perfectly legal and non-violent. No police nor army abuse the supporters. The "Okinawan Independence Party" runs for Okinawa Prefectural Governor Election every time, and they simply fail every time. For example, in 2006, the current party leader Chōsuke Yara got only 0.93% of of the entire votes of the Okinawa Prefectural Governor Election. They need much much more voters.
If the majority of Okinawan people choose independece through the democratic Okinawa Prefectural Governor Election, I beleive mainland Japanese Government must accept the Declaration of Independence (I guess it will not happen though).

[ablo]

Originally Posted by giko

No, it is not information. It is propaganda.

Prove it to me. Give me information. You cannot make a claim and not back it up at all.

"Ethnicity" is not "Nationality".

Every translation I've read says that Zhonghua Minzu does not refer to a specific ethnicity.

tHere is another topic in the China History Forum where they debate the very nature of the term 中華民族. Most of the people there are very academically minded and are pretty open. I highly suggest you read the topic.

Zhonghua Minzu (中華民族) only means "Ethnicity of Zhonghua".

Not in the context I mean it doesn't, as I mentioned before. I've given you the links that provide you with a concrete definition of what I mean when I use the term.

The term isn't "racist" as you say in any way. In fact, it was meant to mitigate racial tensions that occurred in China during the early 20th century and was used as a way of consolidating the different ethnicities in China, during a time when Han chauvinism was becoming popular (the idea where the Han Chinese are superior to all other ethnicities in China).

And it is just a fictional idea

Define fictional. Subjective? Not physically real? Invented?

You are just repeating communist's double standard propaganda. They just change the meanings in English and in the Chinese Ideograph.

The idea didn't come from communist China. The concept was used in Qing Dynasty and the term coined in the early 1900s (read the link to the forum discussion). The only way you could make this claim at this point in the discussion is if you didn't read any of the links I gave you, where they all say that clearly, the concept of Zhonghua minzu came before communism.

By the way, can you read Chinese Ideograph?

No, I am only part Chinese but I cannot read ideographs (characters), but I've certainly read many translations of the term, none of which were by communist Chinese.

I was thinking you were just lying, but you may be deceived by the communist's double standard propaganda too.

Again, the term was around before communism so I highly doubt that unless you can prove it.

It matters. So, what did you want to mean by "second category" Chinese at that time. And what do you want to mean by "first category" Chinese now.

No, I only used numbers as a way of organizing them. Your argument is completely arbitrary. Just forget the numbering entirely because it seems to confuse you.

Yes he is.

Yes he is what?

[giko]

Originally Posted by ablo

Prove it to me. Give me information. You cannot make a claim and not back it up at all.
Every translation I've read says that Zhonghua Minzu does not refer to a specific ethnicity.

tHere is another topic in the China History Forum where they debate the very nature of the term 中華民族. Most of the people there are very academically minded and are pretty open. I highly suggest you read the topic.
Not in the context I mean it doesn't, as I mentioned before. I've given you the links that provide you with a concrete definition of what I mean when I use the term.
The term isn't "racist" as you say in any way. In fact, it was meant to mitigate racial tensions that occurred in China during the early 20th century and was used as a way of consolidating the different ethnicities in China, during a time when Han chauvinism was becoming popular (the idea where the Han Chinese are superior to all other ethnicities in China).
Define fictional. Subjective? Not physically real? Invented?
The idea didn't come from communist China. The concept was used in Qing Dynasty and the term coined in the early 1900s (read the link to the forum discussion). The only way you could make this claim at this point in the discussion is if you didn't read any of the links I gave you, where they all say that clearly, the concept of Zhonghua minzu came before communism.
No, I am only part Chinese but I cannot read ideographs (characters), but I've certainly read many translations of the term, none of which were by communist Chinese.

Ah, that explains everything.
You can't read the Chinese Ideograph, and you are deceived by the Chinese Communists.
Poor Ablo...

Anyway, whatever the English translation looks so properly, it is nothing more than a English propaganda which is made up by some smart/educated communists. Read the Chinese Ideograph too. There is a double standard about the concept of "Zhonghua minzu" and "中華民族".
The communists love double standard.

Originally Posted by ablo

Again, the term was around before communism so I highly doubt that unless you can prove it.

Originally Posted by ablo

The idea didn't come from communist China. The concept was used in Qing Dynasty and the term coined in the early 1900s (read the link to the forum discussion). The only way you could make this claim at this point in the discussion is if you didn't read any of the links I gave you, where they all say that clearly, the concept of Zhonghua minzu came before communism.

You are wrong.
The "Zhonghua minzu (中華民族) " is first publicly espoused by Yuan Shikai (袁世凱) who is a warlord/president of the Republic of China. After the collapse of Qing Empire in 1911, Yuan Shikai (袁世凱) stated "外蒙同為中華民族，數百年來儼如一家" to the movements of independence of Outer Mongolia from China in 1912. That means "Outer Mongolia is part of Zhonghua Minzu [the Zhonghua ethnicity] and has been of one family for centuries".
Ironically, the president of the Republic of China was thinking Outer Mongolia was part of the Zhonghua Minzu(中華民族). But the Communists Chinese mysteriously changed their opinions about the status of Oute Mongolia (The Republic of Mongol). I don't know why. I just guess Zhonghua Minzu(中華民族) is not that solid concept. Also, I guess those who does not want to belong to the concept of "Zhonghua Minzu [the Zhonghua ethnicity]" can get out of the group anytime. I just hope the Communist Chinese change their opinions about the political status of Tibet, just like they have done that.

Originally Posted by ablo

No, I only used numbers as a way of organizing them. Your argument is completely arbitrary. Just forget the numbering entirely because it seems to confuse you.

Right, I was extremely confused, because the concept "second category Chinese" sounds like a term from some evil Totalism society.