SDF Macross (spoilers)

Ark · March 4th, 2007, 02:22 AM

I just finished watching SDF Macross and wow.

Anyhow in the wikipedia entry it says;

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In the final episode, Hikaru realizes he's in love with Misa, and after the climactic final battle, they marry and become the commanders of the SDF-2 Megaroad-01 to leave on a stellar exploration mission in 2012. Shortly thereafter, Misa and Hikaru have a daughter, Miku Hayase Ichijyo, in 2013.

When does this happen?

Area88 · March 4th, 2007, 02:26 AM

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When does this happen?

It doesn't, sounds like some creative writing to me.

Make sure you watch Macross DYRL and Flashback 2012.

Flashback 2012 actually continues the story 10 years into the future.

Mr March · March 4th, 2007, 05:52 AM

The series makes mention of some of these facts, but a copuple in that wikipedia entry are taken from the sequel/retelling Macross Flashback 2012 and Macross Movie: Do You Remember Love?. Like Area88 said.

Since all three productions Super Dimension Fortress Macross (1982), Macross Movie: Do You Remember Love? (1984) and Macross Flashback 2012(1987) were all made about the same story and all take place at roughly the same time, many fans consider the three inseperable as story telling elements of the same narrative. So you'll often read fans talking about Hikaru and Misa's marriage in the context of SDF Macross as if it was shown in the original television series. Also keep in mind that since the two did marry in the end, many of the foreshadowing scenes in SDF Macross can be taken literally (such as Misa's dream of seeing herself and Hikaru with a child when she looks upon another pair of new parents on the street).

Macross Movie: Do You Remember Love? (1984) is a film length retelling of the series with phenomenal animation for it's time (much of which stands up even today, like the quality of Akira).

Macross Flashback 2012(1987) is a short 30 video montage of mostly music and some new animation showing Misa, Hikaru, and Minmay's departure from Earth.

Oh yeah, and check out my website (link in my signature) if you're a Macross fan

CrossboneGundam · March 4th, 2007, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Area88

It doesn't, sounds like some creative writing to me.

Make sure you watch Macross DYRL and Flashback 2012.

Flashback 2012 actually continues the story 10 years into the future.

No, it does. It's mentioned in numerous books about Macross. The first mention of Miku Ichijo is in the 1983 book Best Hit Series: The Super Dimension Fortress Macross: Macross Graffiti, which is an official reference that includes interviews with staff and individual episode commentary by Shoji Kawamori. Two of Max and Milia's eventual seven post-SDF Macross daughters are mentioned.

Ark · March 4th, 2007, 06:56 AM

Thanx for the answers. Incidently how old is Misa really meant to be? Wiki says 19 at the start of the series but if that's true it seems stange that Hikaru would be calling her "old lady".

Soluzar · March 4th, 2007, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ark

Thanx for the answers. Incidently how old is Misa really meant to be? Wiki says 19 at the start of the series but if that's true it seems stange that Hikaru would be calling her "old lady".

Has he seen her at that point? Perhaps her voice just makes her sound older to him than she really is. I'm pretty sure that when he first called her that, he'd only heard her voice on the comm.

CrossboneGundam · March 4th, 2007, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Ark

Thanx for the answers. Incidently how old is Misa really meant to be? Wiki says 19 at the start of the series but if that's true it seems stange that Hikaru would be calling her "old lady".

Misa was born in 1990.

Ark · March 4th, 2007, 07:24 AM

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Has he seen her at that point? Perhaps her voice just makes her sound older to him than she really is. I'm pretty sure that when he first called her that, he'd only heard her voice on the comm.

I think you might be right.

Mr March · March 4th, 2007, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ark

Thanx for the answers. Incidently how old is Misa really meant to be? Wiki says 19 at the start of the series but if that's true it seems stange that Hikaru would be calling her "old lady".

Well, Hikaru was 16 at the beginning of the series and does he ever act his age (lol). Do you remember when you were 16? When one is that young, even a few years difference is "old."

Area88 · March 4th, 2007, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ark

Thanx for the answers. Incidently how old is Misa really meant to be? Wiki says 19 at the start of the series but if that's true it seems stange that Hikaru would be calling her "old lady".

Correct but in DYRL all the characters are much older.

Misa is 21, Hikaru is 18 and Minmay is 17.

I think DYRL is vastly superior to the tv series.

Ark · March 4th, 2007, 09:38 AM

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Well, Hikaru was 16 at the beginning of the series and does he ever act his age (lol). Do you remember when you were 16? When one is that young, even a few years difference is "old."

I certainly didn't consider 19 year old girls to be old ladies but like Soluzar said he probably hadn't seen her at that point.

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I think DYRL is vastly superior to the tv series.

I just finished watching DYRL so I feel qualified to say......... BLASPHEMY!!!!!

Visually speaking I agree but I think it would be quite difficult for a two hour film to improve upon a series like Macross in any other aspect.

One more question I'd like to ask is if the Zentradi are fighting the Supervision army elsewhere then why are they so interested in capturing the Macross intact? Surely they have lots of other oppurtunities to capture Supervision army ships.

Mr March · March 4th, 2007, 10:09 AM

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I certainly didn't consider 19 year old girls to be old ladies but like Soluzar said he probably hadn't seen her at that point.

No, Soluzar's theory is incorrect. Episode 3 clearly shows two-way visual communication taking place between the SDF-1 Macross bridge and the two VF-1 Valkyries (which is standard throughout the series). Roy even specifically states "So even Hikaru thinks she looks like an old lady?" Also, when Hikaru later meets Misa again after becoming a commissioned pilot with the UN Spacy (Episode 6), Hikaru and Misa recognize each other and a flashback scene takes us back to the first time they see each other.

The most likely explanation is both an age difference, Hikaru's immaturity/lack of social grace (very applicable for a show like Macross aimed at pre-tee/teen males) and Misa's own unemotional inflexibility which makes others perceive her as cold and older than she actually is.

j_wong00 · March 4th, 2007, 03:22 PM

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One more question I'd like to ask is if the Zentradi are fighting the Supervision army elsewhere then why are they so interested in capturing the Macross intact? Surely they have lots of other oppurtunities to capture Supervision army ships.

The original mission wasn't to capture the Macross, they were chasing the Supervision army gunboat to ensure there were no survivors after a skirmish/battle.

However, they noticed that the ship was rebuilt/repaired (a skill the Zentradi did not have), and thought there was something special.
Also, they realised that the humans had reactionary weapons (ie. nukes), and wanted them for their war against the Supervision army.

CrossboneGundam · March 4th, 2007, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ark

One more question I'd like to ask is if the Zentradi are fighting the Supervision army elsewhere then why are they so interested in capturing the Macross intact? Surely they have lots of other oppurtunities to capture Supervision army ships.

Like j wong said, they're not after the Supervision Army ship, they're after the people who repaired and modified it, and used reaction weapons which haven't been seen by the Zentradi for about 200,000 years.

Bronze21 · March 5th, 2007, 03:20 AM

I just watched the first two episodes of Macross last night (original, not the butchered dubbed remake) and you see Misa yelling at him on the right screen when he's sitting relaxed on the tarmac in VT102. He hears her for the first time when he's confirming his invitation after she picks him up on radar.

QUESTION: I have not seen it on the actual animation what-so-ever, or in the Macross Perfect Memory book, which way U.N.SPACY is supposed to go on the GU-11 Gunpod? I have the japanese boxart book and it's both ways...upside down and right side up. I'm tempted to put one side up and the other down until I see canon proof (no pun intended). To me, if theres UN SPACY right side up on the leg in plane mode, the GU-11 is upside down, but should be legible in Battroid. HELP?!

March 4th, 2007, 05:52 AM	#3
Mr March On an Information High Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 839	The series makes mention of some of these facts, but a copuple in that wikipedia entry are taken from the sequel/retelling Macross Flashback 2012 and Macross Movie: Do You Remember Love?. Like Area88 said. Since all three productions Super Dimension Fortress Macross (1982), Macross Movie: Do You Remember Love? (1984) and Macross Flashback 2012(1987) were all made about the same story and all take place at roughly the same time, many fans consider the three inseperable as story telling elements of the same narrative. So you'll often read fans talking about Hikaru and Misa's marriage in the context of SDF Macross as if it was shown in the original television series. Also keep in mind that since the two did marry in the end, many of the foreshadowing scenes in SDF Macross can be taken literally (such as Misa's dream of seeing herself and Hikaru with a child when she looks upon another pair of new parents on the street). Macross Movie: Do You Remember Love? (1984) is a film length retelling of the series with phenomenal animation for it's time (much of which stands up even today, like the quality of Akira). Macross Flashback 2012(1987) is a short 30 video montage of mostly music and some new animation showing Misa, Hikaru, and Minmay's departure from Earth. Oh yeah, and check out my website (link in my signature) if you're a Macross fan __________________ Macross Mecha Manual (address update)

March 4th, 2007, 06:56 AM	#5
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March 5th, 2007, 03:20 AM	#15
Bronze21 . Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 152	I just watched the first two episodes of Macross last night (original, not the butchered dubbed remake) and you see Misa yelling at him on the right screen when he's sitting relaxed on the tarmac in VT102. He hears her for the first time when he's confirming his invitation after she picks him up on radar. QUESTION: I have not seen it on the actual animation what-so-ever, or in the Macross Perfect Memory book, which way U.N.SPACY is supposed to go on the GU-11 Gunpod? I have the japanese boxart book and it's both ways...upside down and right side up. I'm tempted to put one side up and the other down until I see canon proof (no pun intended). To me, if theres UN SPACY right side up on the leg in plane mode, the GU-11 is upside down, but should be legible in Battroid. HELP?!