Fansubbing Debate, etc etc - Page 2

Gendo · October 10th, 2006, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Samurai Drifter

Not true. Anime in Japan (such as InuYasha) is aired on most networks in primetime. I remember seeing it on TV when I was there; not on the most basic networks, but it's a lot more widely available on TV than it is in the United States. TV Tokyo is the station that airs the most anime; and it's programs ratings average about 6-7%, meaning that 7% of Japanese people watch it.

Yes.... Shounen Jump, Gundam, and other kids shows (Inu Yasha is a kids show). Very few shows outside of these air durring prime time.

have to remember, outside of those few kids shows, anime is NOT popular in Japan. MANGA is popular in Japan. Most anime not aimed at kids airs in the middle of the night. They don't even like anime based on Manga. There really hasn't been a widely successful anime since Evangelion that was not aimed at a young audience.

Mikadzuki Tatsu · October 11th, 2006, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Gendo

have to remember, outside of those few kids shows, anime is NOT popular in Japan. MANGA is popular in Japan. Most anime not aimed at kids airs in the middle of the night. They don't even like anime based on Manga. There really hasn't been a widely successful anime since Evangelion that was not aimed at a young audience.

I actually wonder, Is anime that less popular than manga? I know that manga and anime are two separate fandoms in Japan, and I've heard that anime fans and manga fans don't exactly get along too well, or at the very least don't hang out together. (So, if an American anime/manga fan ever visits Japan, he/she had best decide ahead of time which group to associate him/herself with - the manga fans or the anime fans - because he/she can't be associated with both.)

Ken-Ohki · October 11th, 2006, 08:46 AM

I read somewhere recently that something like 40 or 50% of printed material in Japan is manga. Unless you mean a show with a huge audience like Sazae-san manga is much more popular then anime. There's copies of Sun Tsu in manga form for heaven's sake.

I guess it's kinda like saying you're a Trekkie in the US. Something like 50% of Americans claimed to be "Trekkies" which forced the cult followers of Star Trek to call themselves "Trekkers" to distinguish themselves from mainstream America. There's the mainstream fans of manga in Japan and the more cult following of anime.

This all of course comes from someone who only knows about Japan from the internet and TV. Friends who have visited have told me that manga is everywhere though, even businessmen riding trains can be seen reading manga.

Suiko Eiji · October 11th, 2006, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Gendo

Yes.... Shounen Jump, Gundam, and other kids shows (Inu Yasha is a kids show). Very few shows outside of these air durring prime time.

I would agree that shows that don't target younger viewers, yet pick up older ones at the same time, do not fare well in these time slots. I'd have to do some actual book research to get a good listing of animated programming that airs in primetime over the past twenty years or so, but I think much of the programming there, while targeted at the younger audiences, holds audiences across age groups.

ransom · October 16th, 2006, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Gobolatula

Let's pretend Azumanga Daioh was still unlicensed in the U.S. and people just downloaded that show like crazy. What's stopping Japanese internet users from downloading those same fansubs? I mean, sure it would be annoying with those little English words popping up at the bottom, but they'd get the show for free! Has this issue ever been discussed in terms of the legality and legitimacy of fan-subbing?

Well the fact that industry bodies in Japan would look at the IP addresses, see the little japanese flag and start taking those people to court. Japanese episode downloads in their own country is a highly technical matter. The author of a p2p program over there was put in jail for instance.

Also consider that english fansubbing in its current form cannot exist without japanese piracy. How else do you think western fansubbers get a fansub out of a series 2 days after it aired on japanese TV?

Western fansubs are an irrelevance to japanese downloaders. Oddly enough youtube has massively taken off with japanese fans. Even with highly technical alternatives that preserve the best TV quality, and good broadband connections japanese fans like convenience as much as the western fans.

ThE oNe · October 24th, 2006, 04:20 PM

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I've heard that anime fans and manga fans don't exactly get along too well, or at the very least don't hang out together.

You're speaking as if anime and manga fans are just a bunch of people hanging out in a club or something.

Manga is very popular in Japan and there are tons of manga on virtually any subject. A 5 year old can read manga, a 60 year old can too, nothing's weird about it.

On the other hand, other then children, only otaku's really watch anime. If a 30 year old watches anime people will think he's strange.

Mikadzuki Tatsu · October 25th, 2006, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ThE oNe

You're speaking as if anime and manga fans are just a bunch of people hanging out in a club or something.

What I meant was, if you walk into a manga club and say you love anime, you're going to find out really quickly that you're in the wrong place. If I correctly understood what I was told, people tend to declare themselves either as manga fans or as anime fans, not as manga AND anime fans. (That doesn't mean that a self-declared manga fan doesn't also watch anime. But he/she will associate him/herself with manga fans.)

I'm also aware that many hardcore anime fans in Japan are considered otaku, and that if you introduce yourself to your host family as an anime fan, the first thing that's going to go through their minds is, "Oh, he/she is otaku."

ThE oNe · October 25th, 2006, 12:38 PM

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If I correctly understood what I was told, people tend to declare themselves either as manga fans or as anime fans, not as manga AND anime fans.

I'm not sure if you're talking about the general public or otakus. The general public does not watch anime. However manga is very common and popular. But most people wouldn't call themselves as "manga fans". It's just something they do.

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I'm also aware that many hardcore anime fans in Japan are considered otaku

I think it's more that anyone over 15 who watches anime is considered an otaku. Although it seems like anime targeted at older audiences is started to make some headway into the non-otaku public.

October 11th, 2006, 08:46 AM	#18
Ken-Ohki 馬鹿 Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: The other side Posts: 3,283	I read somewhere recently that something like 40 or 50% of printed material in Japan is manga. Unless you mean a show with a huge audience like Sazae-san manga is much more popular then anime. There's copies of Sun Tsu in manga form for heaven's sake. I guess it's kinda like saying you're a Trekkie in the US. Something like 50% of Americans claimed to be "Trekkies" which forced the cult followers of Star Trek to call themselves "Trekkers" to distinguish themselves from mainstream America. There's the mainstream fans of manga in Japan and the more cult following of anime. This all of course comes from someone who only knows about Japan from the internet and TV. Friends who have visited have told me that manga is everywhere though, even businessmen riding trains can be seen reading manga. __________________ "Carrots huh? Eat enough of those someday you'll grow up to be a spaceship." WORSHIP THE COMIC