Why you should never hold your gun sideways like a rapper

[SapperSix]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/side_show_doomed_thug_vct6JLQrWau8DRZpdv daFO?offset=32#comments


http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/12/12/news/photos_stories/cropped/ready_martinez--300x300.jpg

A Times Square bloodbath was narrowly avoided because the machine-pistol-toting thug who fired at a cop flipped the gun on its side like a character out of a rap video, causing the weapon to jam after two shots, law-enforcement sources said yesterday.

When scam artist Raymond "Ready" Martinez held the MAC-10-style gun parallel to the ground, it caused the ejecting shells to "stovepipe," or get caught vertically in the chamber, the sources said. The gun is designed to be fired only in a vertical position.

If he had fired the weapon -- which had another 27 rounds in the clip -- properly, Martinez, 25, could have killed the hero cop pursuing him and countless others walking through the swarming tourist mecca Thursday morning.

Instead, Sgt. Christopher Newsom was able to return fire -- killing Martinez with four shots before anyone was hurt.

The fatal gun battle erupted after Martinez bolted from cops who approached him for aggressively peddling his own rap CDs to tourists and shaking them down for cash. Newsom gave chase and shouted for Martinez to put up his hands.

Martinez instead pulled the machine gun from a sling under his coat and turned to fire as he ran into the parking breezeway within the Marriott Marquis Hotel.

One of the shots shattered a gift-shop window and a second struck the car of an out-of-town couple coming to see the Rockettes at Radio City Music Hall.

In rap songs on his Web page, Martinez boasted of taking aim at a police sergeant.

"If they call the cops, then I'm aiming at the sergeant, like aiming at my target," said Martinez, who raps under the name "Ready."

"And sure that f- - -ing dirty pig will feel it the hardest."
But the boast was empty as Newsom's better training bested Martinez's drummed-up bravado. In the end, Martinez unwittingly rapped about his own fate.



"Tell forensics to bring the chalk," he said, describing the outline that detectives draw around a body on the street.
Investigators are still trying to figure out where Martinez -- who had a warrant for failing to show in court on charges he beat his wife -- got the high-powered Masterpiece Arms-built weapon.

[willag]

Y'know, I normally like to ***** and complain about stupid people, but this time it worked out in favor towards the general good.

I can still make fun of the idiot though. Where's an appropriate macro when you need one?



Holy crap, you mean ***** isn't covered by the censor?... uh, should I be consciously censoring that myself?

[f2akid]

But it looks so cool!

[Caster13]

But it looks so cool!

But he's dead! :D

:lol::lol:

[Soluzar]

I always wondered why they do that... now I wonder even more.

[Caster13]

Could this guy be considered for the Darwin Award?

[sailornyanko]

The worst is that now people are going to want to buy his cd!

[SapperSix]

For those who don't know what a stovepipe is

http://bersatalk.com/photos/other_bersa_stuff/images/69684/640x426.aspx

It's Usually caused by failure to eject the round properly.

[Siendra]

And the church doubts Darwin.

[Aragami]

What a horrible, degenerate person.

[Caster13]

More like what a dumbass.

Natural selection FTW!

[Ken-Ohki]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

This is the best news I've heard all day. Thanks once again SapperSix

[goddessofanime]

That's one way to get some publicity...

[Mazinkaiser]

Yeah, the sights are on top for a reason. Lets not forget that even if it does function properly sideways, the ejection port is facing up. Nice way to get some hot brass in the face.

Anyhow, I strongly advocate the gangbanger pistol stance for stupid people and criminals.

[Vaikyuko]

Garth Ennis's Punisher MAX had something similar.

A group of like...5-6 thugs were fighting the Punisher, he killed all but one who turned his gun sideways and emptied the clip (it was a pistol) at him. Punisher didn't move, every shot missed.

Punisher: They put the sights on top for a reason.

Proceeds to headshot him. This was...creepily similar. :lol:

[animefan88]

F*** him and the cop. It would have been better if both got killed.

[SapperSix]

Yeah, the sights are on top for a reason. Lets not forget that even if it does function properly sideways, the ejection port is facing up. Nice way to get some hot brass in the face.

Anyhow, I strongly advocate the gangbanger pistol stance for stupid people and criminals.

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs112.snc3/15966_572675821148_24707336_33672001_684 5969_n.jpg

[Black Cat]

Rest In Peace

[Arnold]

F*** him and the cop. It would have been better if both got killed.

Yeah, because stopping an ******* from harassing innocent people clearly calls for death.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Was he grabbing his crotch when he was shooting?

[animefan88]

A cop have never helped me. You harass or you are harassed.

[Arnold]

A cop have never helped me. You harass or you are harassed.

I'm glad you have so much respect for people whose job it is to protect you.

Seriously, what do you think the cops did wrong here?

[NoSoldat4u]

A cop have never helped me. You harass or you are harassed.

That's an unfortunate perspective.

I have been helped by the cops on two different occasions. Which of the two categories you provided does that fall under?

[Siendra]

A cop have never helped me. You harass or you are harassed.

Excellent. Your bad experiences automatically condone every single police officer in existence to death. Aren't you special.

[animefan88]

The bad guy cant get you if you are the bad guy. If he is shooting then you shoot him. Police have only caused trouble for my family as innocents. How can you expect me to support them? (rhetorical)

The cop here did nothing wrong. I just don't like them and what they do where I live.

[Gray]

The bad guy cant get you if you are the bad guy. If he is shooting then you shoot him. Police have only caused trouble for my family as innocents. How can you expect me to support them? (rhetorical)

You sir, are a moron. It's easy to complain about people who protect your way of life on a daily basis and ask nothing in return from you. They don't even get paid that much, not nearly enough for what they risk. Your stupidity astounds even me.

[animefan88]

^ Thank you.

[Vaikyuko]

You sir, are a moron. It's easy to complain about people who protect your way of life on a daily basis and ask nothing in return from you. They don't even get paid that much, not nearly enough for what they risk. Your stupidity astounds even me.

It's kind of like the people who protest against soldiers and stuff, rather than the politicians. Not like the soldiers have any say in what they do, y'know?

Of course, with this...I really have never gotten the appeal of hating cops or anything. They're pretty badass. Gangsters, on the other hand? Unless you fall into the (decidedly questionable) old school 1930s gangster stereotype who actually has a sort of code of honor, then no, crime is not glamorous in any way.

And wishing death on anybody is kind of a **** move, unless they legitimately deserve it (protip: cops don't).

[Jack_Bauer]

Oh lord... not the "f#uck the police" mentality. I bet its the popo's are the ones you'll be calling when sh!t hits the fan around your area.

[Haro!]

I laughed at this when I read about it. I'm still not quite sure how this all happened though. Was he whipping out the gun on people and forcing them to buy his cd? I wish I had ran into him but I'm never near touristy areas...

[Nakey]

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs112.snc3/15966_572675821148_24707336_33672001_684 5969_n.jpg

isn't that by the same maker as the 50BMG pistol, and the retardedly long Uzi mag?

[blackknight]

What are you talking about? ENCOURAGE the schmucks to fire their gun sideways! One: their aim is off, and two: they get jamming. Makes the streets safer by encouraging stupid people to be stupid.

[f2akid]

And wishing death on anybody is kind of a **** move, unless they legitimately deserve it (protip: cops don't).

There are many corrupt cops out there, we have to acknowledge that at least before defending all cops in general. Let's face it there are some cops out there who deserve to die.

But at the same time there's no use in wishing death upon every cop in general either because it's all dependant on where you live when it comes to how they treat you anyway.

[Old Ape Face]

What are you talking about? ENCOURAGE the schmucks to fire their gun sideways! One: their aim is off, and two: they get jamming. Makes the streets safer by encouraging stupid people to be stupid.

but what if all of a sudden they do end up shooting you in the wrong ways.

[blackknight]

but what if all of a sudden they do end up shooting you in the wrong ways.

My chances are a lot better when they're being complete farking morons. I'd rather be standing in front of some wannabe gansta holding the gun sideways then someone holding it the right way.

Although I'll make it clear, I never want to be on the business end of a gun, regardless of who was holding it or in what orientation.

[Vaikyuko]

There are many corrupt cops out there, we have to acknowledge that at least before defending all cops in general. Let's face it there are some cops out there who deserve to die.

But at the same time there's no use in wishing death upon every cop in general either because it's all dependant on where you live when it comes to how they treat you anyway.

Corrupt =/= we have the right to wish death upon them. Not to sound self-righteous, but unless there's proof of some serious transgressions, I really don't think people have any right to decide who lives and who dies. I never was denying cops can be corrupt, but so can anyone else. The majority of cops aren't, I would assume.

[Mazinkaiser]

isn't that by the same maker as the 50BMG pistol, and the retardedly long Uzi mag?
it was, but that site was just a joke site (it was a retardedly long Mac-10 magazine btw :P )

[Arnold]

I laughed at this when I read about it. I'm still not quite sure how this all happened though. Was he whipping out the gun on people and forcing them to buy his cd? I wish I had ran into him but I'm never near touristy areas...

Basically it was this- he was harassing some people, no gun involved, I think. But when the cops approached him, he took off, cops ran after him, he fired at them, cops shot back.

[fujyoshi]

fail /heh poor guy hes dead now, thats what you get for liking rap I guess :O

[Black Cat]

well i suppose its better than liking j-pop/rock

[The Million Dollar Prons]

People in this thread: If someone shoots at you, you should stand there and let them.

[CrossboneGundam]

"Why you should never hold your gun sideways like a rapper"... Somehow I doubt giving that advice to morons like this guy is the best course of action here.

[White Zombie]

Shooting your gun sideways or even upside down rarely, if ever, causes a stovepipe/FTF/FTE. Shooting with a limp wrist, however, is the biggest and most likely culprit.

Just tossing this out there.

[Undrave]

Shooting your gun sideways or even upside down rarely, if ever, causes a stovepipe/FTF/FTE. Shooting with a limp wrist, however, is the biggest and most likely culprit.

Just tossing this out there.

Oooh upside down shooting! Like Death The Kid!

[sailornyanko]

Since when did this thread turn into a Light wannabe follower thread? Sounds like someone wants a Death Note to follow Light's footsteps..