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SapperSix
September 9th, 2009, 06:14 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8245165.stm

Great tits acquire taste for bats

By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News website

A Hungarian cave has turned out to be a larder of highly unusual food for great tits: hibernating pipistrelle bats.
Over two winters, researchers found the birds were systematically hunting bats by sight and sound as they hibernated through the cold months.
Writing in the journal Biology Letters, the scientists say this is the first proof of bat-hunting in songbirds.
Great tits usually dine on smaller prey such as insects and seeds, with bat-eating probably very rare.
The researchers found the birds preferred other food when they could get it.



"It doesn't look like this is an overwhelming thing that threatens the bat population," said Bjorn Siemers from the Max-Planck-Institute for Ornithology in Seewiesen, Germany, one of the research team.
"So then the question to ask is 'how do they invent it?', and so far we can only speculate - it could be a kind of cultural learning," he told BBC News.
In previous decades, researchers have reported finding dead or injured bats outside caves in Sweden and Poland.
In one case, the bat was being eaten by a great tit, in others they bore wounds that could have been inflicted by a tit's beak; but there was no proof that the birds had hunted or killed them.
If they did, said Dr Siemers, it raised the possibility that the habit or skill of bat-hunting was carried along migration routes.
Rare treat
During two field seasons in the Bukk Mountains of northeastern Hungary, the researchers documented 16 cases of great tits (Parus major) hunting, killing and eating a hibernating bat in the one cave.
Pipistrelle bats (Pipistrellus pipistrellus) are about one-quarter of a great tit's size.
The birds would fly close to the cave walls, landing frequently and often disappearing into crevices. They would either eat the bats there and then or carry them away for feeding.

When their hibernation is disturbed, the bats squeak in the audible range for humans and great tits.
The researchers speculated that the birds may have learned to listen for these squeaks - and when they recorded some and played them back, the birds responded with interest about 80% of the time.
However, the team believes the birds can only bat-hunt when they can see their prey, as they can in this wide-mouthed cave where lots of light penetrates - again suggesting it would be a rarely-found behaviour.
In a later experiment, the scientists provided other food - sunflower seeds and bits of bacon - and found that the birds preferred to eat those, leaving the bats largely untouched. This raises the suggestion, said Dr Siemers, that bats are a food of last resort in a harsh winter.
Graham Madge, a spokesman on conservation issues for the UK's Royal Society for the Protection of Birds (RSPB), said it was new to him.
"Normally, great tits are feeding on things like insects, beetles, spiders, seeds and maybe fruit in winter - there's no indication they'd be able to predate something like a bat. It's incredible behaviour."
He noted that in the UK, a close relative, the blue tit, has also been quick to take advantage of novel foods.
"There was this phenomenon where blue tits learned how to open the foil tops of milk bottles, and quickly this behaviour spread through the population; so they're quick learners," he said.

fujyoshi
September 9th, 2009, 06:16 PM
wait....what in the world?

Trefellin
September 9th, 2009, 06:38 PM
I didn't know they could hunt.

Spadesy
September 9th, 2009, 07:06 PM
I thought the BBC should call them "knockers?" Tits is so American.

KatayokuのTenshi
September 9th, 2009, 07:11 PM
Did you post this just for the pun of it?

I didn't know they could hunt.

Apparently neither did they until recently.

loplop
September 9th, 2009, 07:41 PM
Well, I was disappointed to say the least . . . .

Leader Desslock
September 9th, 2009, 09:03 PM
I'm pretty sure I remember a nice pair of tits being flashed in this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfvEgWINUFc), right around the 1:03 mark.

Bernard_Monsha
September 9th, 2009, 10:01 PM
I prefer bearded tits (http://www.xs4all.nl/~sbpoley/nl/img/bearded-tit.jpg) or sombre tits (http://www.greecebirdtours.gr/images/uploads/Sombre_Tit_001.JPG) myself, stay away from ashy tits (http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w291/Dewiedwards/_DSC3261.jpg) at all cost.

RecentMidget
September 9th, 2009, 10:09 PM
http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii67/jonesg_photos/bouncingtits.gif

i have a feeling this thread is going nowhere, but will have some pretty lol worthy posts

Leader Desslock
September 9th, 2009, 10:41 PM
Along with my fellow tit enthusiasts, I applaud the efforts of the National Audubon Society for their tireless efforts to protect the huge tracts of land upon which our tit friends rely for their well-being.

CrossboneGundam
September 9th, 2009, 11:07 PM
Boobies. I love ornithology.

Haro!
September 9th, 2009, 11:19 PM
My girl that I'm currently dating has a t-shirt with, incidentally, two of those birds on them. Sadly those are the biggest tits I get to see on her.

superplough
September 10th, 2009, 02:48 AM
Boobies. I love ornithology.

So do I, one of my favourites is the shag

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/75/Microcarbo_melanoleucos_Austins_Ferry_3. jpg/500px-Microcarbo_melanoleucos_Austins_Ferry_3. jpg

taily
September 10th, 2009, 09:56 AM
I thought the BBC should call them "knockers?" Tits is so American.

....huh?

you do realise what knockers is slang for over here right?

Trefellin
September 10th, 2009, 10:12 AM
....huh?

you go realise what knockers is slang for over here right?

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w6/millsy_2007/knockers.jpg

My Grandmother has a wonderful pair of knockers. I can't help but admire them every time I visit her in the country.

taily
September 10th, 2009, 10:15 AM
:lol: oh my god.

I'm cracking up

Trefellin
September 10th, 2009, 10:24 AM
What? She really does has a fabulous pair of knockers. When I go visit her in the country, I always run to the door before everybody so I can touch them first. http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q217/M_the_C/shrug.gif

Leader Desslock
September 10th, 2009, 10:25 AM
While those are some impressive knockers, they appear to be poorly supported, and thus they hang down a bit more than I like.

Still - why are we talking about knockers? I thought this thread was about ornithology, and I wanted to mention some interesting hooters (http://www.owlpages.com/owls.php?genus=Athene&species=cunicularia) I saw the other day, down here in Arizona. They're perky little guys who seemingly fly up out of nowhere when they detect their prey.

EDIT: According the the article about the hooters I linked, "They bob up and down when excited" and "hover during hunting and courtship". That's certainly good information to know.

fujyoshi
September 10th, 2009, 01:46 PM
I thought the BBC should call them "knockers?" Tits is so American.

I didn't even know you can say "tits" on tv o_O

tenshi_a
September 10th, 2009, 02:29 PM
I thought the BBC should call them "knockers?" Tits is so American.

"Tit" is old English, derived from the word teat, AFAIK. Britons sometimes use it perjoratively too, e.g. "what are you doing, you tit!", which I could never work out.

My landlord put a birdhouse on my home right between the two main windows of my bedroom and some blue tits live there. I think they're a couple. They're very cute and they like playing on the wire that's the phone line between the two buildings.

It was rather disconcerting when the old fellow - my landlord - stopped me to tell me how much he enjoys looking up and watching that pair of tits, bobbing up and down so playfully...

I close my curtains a lot more, these days.

goddessofanime
September 10th, 2009, 02:36 PM
This thread is the funniest damn thing I've read all day.

Caster13
September 12th, 2009, 03:10 PM
@ Desslock, I've never seen one of those things before.

"Tit" is old English, derived from the word teat, AFAIK. Britons sometimes use it pejoratively too, e.g. "what are you doing, you tit!", which I could never work out.

We use "twit".

goddessofanime
September 12th, 2009, 03:55 PM
I was looking at a great pair of tits today................................... ..........

















they were in the tree outside of my house

The Million Dollar Prons
September 12th, 2009, 04:03 PM
Yeah I like big breasts too


Too bad my girlfriend is flat chested.


and doesn't know how to cook anything other than thighs.


Oh man I'm doing it all wrong

Leader Desslock
September 12th, 2009, 04:17 PM
@ Desslock, I've never seen one of those things before.
You haven't? Well, geez... you have to take a run up here to Havasu if you want to see lots of hooters like those. They usually travel in pairs.

Of course, back home, we have titmice. They're smaller creatures than the hooters in Havasu. Rather than make their homes in the ground, they make their homes in whatever crevices they can find - the cleavage between two main branches of a tree, for example.

Yep, that's a favorite summer pastime for ornithologists in Maine - looking for titmouse nests tucked away in nearby cleavage. Whenever you see someone walking around during the summer, staring at cleavage with binoculars or the zoom lens of his camera - don't you worry, that's an ornithologist on the job.

Trefellin
September 12th, 2009, 04:39 PM
the cleavage between two main branches of a tree, for example.

I believe that's called the "crotch" of the tree.

Caster13
September 12th, 2009, 09:00 PM
You haven't? Well, geez... you have to take a run up here to Havasu if you want to see lots of hooters like those. They usually travel in pairs.

Yea, and they're all filthy rich....or rather their families are.




I'm not talking about owls btw.