is Gundam wing comparable to Gundam 00?

[nchan]

I haven't seen gundam wing yet, so I still decide whether to watch it or not. Gundam 00 is not the best gundam, in my opinion, but is Gundam Wing at least as mediocre as Gundam 00? Does Gundam wing has a central male and female lead?

My top five gundam series are:
Zeta Gundam
Turn A Gundam
Mobile Suite Gundam 0079
Gundam Seed
Gundam 0083: Stardust Memory

Worst Gundam ever:
Gundam X

Mediocre Gundam:
Victory Gundam
Gundam 00

[adadqgg]

I haven't seen gundam wing yet, so I still decide whether to watch it or not. Gundam 00 is not the best gundam, in my opinion, but is Gundam Wing at least as mediocre as Gundam 00? Does Gundam wing has a central male and female lead?


Wing Gundam's story revolves around 5 bishounen's fighting and realization of purposes.

Female lead would be pretty weak as she always appears to whine about wanting to see Heero.

Heero is the central male lead but only because he is the first gundam pilot to appear.

Wing gundam > 00 in stories.

00 has too much "I thought she died but she survives and do something to advance the plot unnaturally" going on, and the ones that REALLY died died too suddenly(2nd season) lockon's innovator girlfriend.

And even the ones that just refuses to die only take minor roles in the story, for example:
Mr bushido... he went from Graham, to a weird gun training in Japanese style with honor and crap like that, and then used "TRANS-GRAHAM"... then dissappear until much later in the show where he fights Setsuna and gets beaten, and you do not see him doing anything significant ever again. Also, Ali fails too... he was supposed to be the great final boss but he just kick some a**, then dissappear for most of the 2nd season, then come back only to be pwned by Lockon Version 2

[Soluzar]

You can compare it to Gundam SEED more than anything else in the franchise. Most series have one high-spec mobile suit, whereas both SEED and Wing have a range of equally high-powered Gundams, at least at the start. That means that each of them rather than having a single leading character have several pilots each of whom is a major character. In fact when I watched SEED for the first time I was struck repeatedly by the similarities.

I would say that SEED is what you get when you take the ideas behind Wing and do them right. Shame SEED Destiny had a lackluster ending. It was shaping up so nicely for a long time. In other words, if you liked SEED you might like Wing, but it's not that great.

[old hat]

Gundam Wing is mostly about the cool Gundams mowing through hordes of mooks or fighting mostly indecisive duels against each other

and Bishonen.

Heero Yuy is the closest thing to a male lead the show has. He has no personality.

Relena Peacecraft is the closest thing to a female lead. She's pretty much useless. There are a lot of unrequited crushes coming from generally useless female characters.

The plot is rather muddled. People do various things and say various things but much of it doesn't make much sense. The main characters tend to go on about some emo sounding drivel or other a lot. The 'kill everyone in sight for peace' approach crops up too. It has the obligatory masked guy but he's a rather weak character. He says a lot of portentous sounding but generally meaningless things that have little to do with anything that is going on. He does various things that are at best loosely connected to what he says his goals are. He goes around in various mobile suits blowing things up a lot. This is his best bit.

[Soluzar]

We can't forget the way that people change allegiance roughly twice a month in this universe.

That's definitely the best part.

[old hat]

and usually for no obvious reason.

I like your hair today. I will be your bishi ally.

i don't like your hair anymore. I try to kill you.

[goddessofanime]

Relena: Heero! Wanna come to my party?

Heero: I want to kill you....

Relena: Heero! Why won't you talk to me?

Heero: I want to stab your brains out

Relena: Don't fight Heero! I luv u!

Heero: I won't fight. RAWR I WANT TO KILL U NAO

[old hat]

One thing you can be sure of. If Heeros says, "I will kill you" to someone, Heero will definitely not kill that person...even though he kills lots of other random people.

Gundam Wing is a love story between an ambiguously gay teenage boy and his mobile suit.

Sandrock oh my Sandrock...

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Are you a troll. V and X are AWESOME

[nchan]

Are you a troll. V and X are AWESOME

No troll. I found Gundam X to be the weakest Gundam series. Gundam V is mediocre. Many of its characters are annoying with weak personality, and not very likable at all. Uso, Katinjina, and the masked guy killed the series for me. I was not satisfied with the character development. I felt they should have developed Katinjina and the masked guy into strong villain, but I was disappointed. If they kill Uso, maybe the ending might have been more dramatic, and maybe it might have become a better Gundam series.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Are you a troll. V and X are AWESOME

That is the first time I have ever seen 0083 in anyones top anything.

[A Dead Spy]

Gundam Wing is a love story between an ambiguously gay teenage boy and his mobile suit.

Sandrock oh my Sandrock...

What, and 00 isn't? Granted, the "ambiguously gay teenage boy and his mobile suit" is really more along the lines of "shameless weeaboo Char clone and his enemy's mobile suit," but it's more or less the same thing.

As for the rest of Wing, just watch it for yourself and try not to take anything you may hear from its more vocal fanbase too seriously. They are certainly a large part of why Wing is such a polarizing series among the greater Gundam community,

[adadqgg]

What, and 00 isn't? Granted, the "ambiguously gay teenage boy and his mobile suit" is really more along the lines of "shameless weeaboo Char clone and his enemy's mobile suit," but it's more or less the same thing.

You forgot Tieria...

Bishounen gone wrong...

[The Million Dollar Prons]

That is the first time I have ever seen 0083 in anyones top anything.

Except in your screen name!

What'd surprise me is to see Last Blitz of Zeon anywhere in any list

[old hat]

What, and 00 isn't?

I didn't post anything about Gundam 00 being or not being anything.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

Female lead would be pretty weak as she always appears to whine about wanting to see Heero.

Female lead thinks that you can survive win a war through absolute pacifism.

Somehow she turns out to be right.

[old hat]

Apparently total pacificism involves having a large number of advanced mobile suits stockpiled and the help of the even more advanced Gundams.

and talking a ot about total pacificism while killing everyone in sight.

[Gray]

Wing holds nostalgia factor for me because it was the first Gundam I ever watched back when it was on Toonami. I tried watching it subbed years later but the dialogue is incredibly stupid at times and people seem to do things for no real reason or motivation. I liked it at first but it got ridiculously stupid to the point where I thought it was a satire.

[old hat]

Some of the dub dialogue is just woeful but the original dialogue might not hvae been so godawful.

Some of the stuff that comes out of Zech's mouth is just comic.

My favorite bit of goofery was when Noin refused to shoot Wufei even after he murdered all of her students in their beds with a bomb because...apparently she's a girl with girly parts and is weak or something even though she is supposed to be a combat vet.

oh yes and if someone blows you up while you were sleeping that means you were WEAK WEAK WEAK!

[adadqgg]

Some of the dub dialogue is just woeful but the original dialogue might not hvae been so godawful.

Some of the stuff that comes out of Zech's mouth is just comic.


Indeed. Duo, in the dubbed version, is the "Great Destroyer"...lol.

In a game, one of Tallgeese III's skill was "World peace - decrease damage to your allies by 50% after your hp is below 50%"...

[Bernard_Monsha]

^^

Was that nearly as funny as

Wu Fei killing those people in their sleep while yelling dramatically about fighting honorably, or better yet Quattre killing people in cold blood and whining about whether he should be doing it then doing it some more


The only good thing about Wing is the Oz mobile suits. Some of my favorites from any series.

[old hat]

Wufei going on about being honorable and strong while pretty much behaving like a terrorist and then losing losing miserably in his first real fight was rather amusing.

Quatre is the classic pseudo nice guy who apologizes to people while he kills them as if that's going to do any good for anyone but him. I think he kills the most people of any of them.

Kind of took any residual drama out of the Gundam's fight when they demonstrated early on that the Gundams were effectively invulnerable to the weapons regular mobile sits carried. The mooks were never really a threat but they could have at least mad some minimal effort to maintain the illusion that the Bishi Corps was in some sort of danger during their fights.

[MightyDustLoop]

I liked Gundam Wing. A lot of people liked it. But noone liked Wu Fei. That's why they used him in the movie. He sucked. Still a good show though. Most protagonists wind up being invinceable anyway.

[Blue Thunder]

Well actually, I did like Wu Fei. When I first watched it back in the day, he was my favorite in the series. I'm not sure why looking back now, but I still don't dislike him.

I like Wing a lot. Much more than I like 00. Although the Gundams in Wing start off quite powerful compared to the other contemporary MS in it. Like matching M1A2s against T-55 and T-72s, or M3 Shermans against Tigers, or putting an F-22 against another countries fighters now. The thing I like about wing is the central pilots are trained pilots/killers and motivated for the most part. I was getting tired of watching noobs and noob newtypes lay waste to everything when Wing came out. It was a good change for me. I liked the characters, the story and the MS. I like Wing about as much as I like Zeta and 0083. However that being said, it is very different from those.

Check it out, you might like it.

[Jinto117]

So not to derail the conversation or anything but I just recently finally finished watching Gundam 00 season 2 and I have one major question.

Would someone be obliged as to explain just what the hell the point of Wang Liu Mei's character was? Seriously. All she ever did was say stupid one liners while staring out a window. I know she helped out Setsuna by giving him the location of veda only to be
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but they could of easily achieved that by having some other character help out. Now I know one could argue that 00 is filled with many unnecessary characters but something about her character just struck a nerve as absolutely unnecessary. Her character is nothing more then doujinshi fodder.

[WZA]

Wow...Gundam Wing was the first exposure to Gundam I ever had and I'll always love it for that. Honestly, though, it did not age well. Last time I viewed it (when i replaced my vhs set with the anime legends boxsets), it just seemed like an average soap opera. I still love when: Heero self destructs Wing Gundam while standing on it, though. The kid is crazy!

I honestly found Gundam 00 to be one of the better series, and definitely the best one since Turn A. Setsuna starts out crazy, but there's a perfectly good reason for that and it would probably have a similar effect on most people. I also love how the final climactic battle is: actually a downgrade to the Exia and 0 gundams. It's just more fitting for those two to end it in the suits they were known for.
The only thing I didn't like was: how Trans-Am Burst mode magically fixed everyone's problems. It was just far too convenient... especially for a technology that just appeared that moment. Setsuna was pretty cool as the first true Innovator, though.

Whew! Lots of spoiler tags, but you can never be too careful.

[Techrobo]

Gundam W's greatest strength is its 'villains'. I personally enjoyed them far more than the protagonists. 00 had that going a bit in the first season, but it began to dry up in the second.

Would someone be obliged as to explain just what the hell the point of Wang Liu Mei's character was?

Eye candy my friend. That is all.

[Sharp-kun]

Gundam W's greatest strength is its 'villains'.
Nah, its the design of the OZ grunt suits. And the Tallgeese.

[WZA]

Tallgeese for the win! I always loved the design of its thruster backpack. The tallgeese II was pretty lame, but the tallgeese III completely made up for that!

[Arnold]

Gundam W's greatest strength is its 'villains'. I personally enjoyed them far more than the protagonists. 00 had that going a bit in the first season, but it began to dry up in the second.


Meh. Even the villains weren't -that- great. How many times did Cha-I mean, Zechs change sides?

[Techrobo]

Meh. Even the villains weren't -that- great. How many times did Cha-I mean, Zechs change sides?

True, I was thinking in relative terms though. And I had Treize in mind more than Zechs.