UFC Thread

[ZechsMerquise1]

Let's discuss all the up and coming match's!


I know all UFC fans have been waiting for UFC 100 for awhile, I know I have!^_^

I'm more looking forward to GSP and Thiago Alves match, than Mir and Lesners. This is like a double main event to me :P


I want GSP and Mir to win :)

[Reidar]

I'm looking forward to Mir and Lesnar more because I think GSP will dominate. It'll be interesting, either way. I'm also anticipating Bisping and Henderson. Part of me thinks it'd be good if Bisping won to add to the international scene, but ultimately, I think that's a stupid reason and the best fighter deserves to win.

And I'm still disappointed in Cro Cop.

[ZechsMerquise1]

As long as Mir doesn't get hit with a lucky one, he should be fine. At least this time, he's not +60 lbs more than his opponent =p. (Maybe it was around +50 lbs than Couture, not sure)

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

I missed the last one but this one seems to be the big one.

Mir and Lesnar's rematch will be a good fight. Mir has always been a good technical fighter and a great athlete. Lesnar has learned a lot since his first defeat was handed to him and he is just a dominant force...more so than Tim Sylvia could every be.

I am excited to see Bisping and Henderson go at it. The British mouth has good skills but I was surprised by how calm and relaxed Henderson is. That may give him an advantage in a fight.

I am waiting for a re-run of the Ultimate Finale as well.

[Rurouni Saiyan]

This looks like a really cool card. I'll definitely have to watch it this weekend.

[waltsoph3]

Knowing Brock Lesnar's instincts hes gonna crush Mir.
Brock hates losing and if I know Brock..hes not gonna give Mir the chance defend himself this time around.

Either ways its gonna be interesting to hear the end result because if Brock loses..its gonna be a real bitter pill for him to swallow. Losing for him is one thing..yet to lose to the same guy twice will be a blow to his ego.

May the best fighters win Saturday. :)

[Kizoku Keenan]

Bring on UFC 100 I'm looking forwardto every match but I hope Frank Mir wins because Lesnar just seems like a prik lol

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Akiyama over Belcher split decision (could have gone either way)
Henderson over Bisping KO (look up definition of knockout in dictionary there will be a picture of an out cold Bisping)
GSP over Thiago Silva Unanimous Dec (no contest here, although it looked like after the fight that GSP may have suffered a groin pull in the fight, he was in quite a bit of pain)
Lesner over Mir TKO (wow, Mir was a bloody mess afterwards. Lesner really just over powered him and patiently messed up his face. In the first fight he got in trouble for punching to the back of the head. This time he put his arm around the back of the head, pulled closer and repeatedly punched him in the face)

[waltsoph3]

:D Yep I knew it! Lesner got the job done! I didn't see the PPV but i just got done reading the result from yahoo news and just wow.lol No mercy no freeking mercy. Exactly what I thought Lesner was gonna do. lol

[ZeroRyoko1974]

best quote ever from Lesner after the fight “Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ***,” Lesnar said. “I told him that a year ago. I pulled the sum***** out and beat him over the head with it.” The UFC really needs a villain, and they appear to have one in Lesner.

[Reidar]

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/2340/1247367977823.gif

Some of the ultra-nationalist stuff is getting annoying, though, like calling Bisping a "UK ****" and a "stupid Brit". It's more exciting when it's an international deal, so Americans shouldn't dissuade foreigners that way.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Bisping started the trash talk on the Ultimate Fighter reality show. He was constantly mouthing off, and trying to stir things up. Henderson finished it with his fists.

[Reidar]

Trash talk isn't any big deal. Muhammad Ali did that over forty years ago. It's specifically the nationalist vitriol by fans that's annoying.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Bisping was doing that as well. If there was any kind of nationalistic vitrol on the show, it was usually coming from Bisping. For someone whose style is basically to run away and throw jabs you wouldn't think that he wouldn't be so mouthy during the show.

[Reidar]

Nope. Neither Bisping nor Henderson said anything out of line. You're severely misusing the word "vitriol". Henderson calling Bisping a "douchebag" isn't vitriolic - "British f*g" is. It's the fan comments that go too far.

As for Bisping himself, he was against the actual U.S. vs. U.K. theme for TUF.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

It was an all right night in my opinion. The Bisping - Henderson fight was one of the more exciting matches. Henderson's cool attitude on the show apparently crosses over into his fights. Sustaining minimal damage and ending Bisping with that right hook was a sight to see. Even more so, was the descending hammerfist that could be considered by some to be overkill.

It was difficult to guess a winner beforehand as both are very talented. Bisping, regardless of all the "talking" he does, has skills that cannot be denied. Henderson is a force to be reckoned with and came in with a sold reputation (not to mention fight record).

The Lesnar - Mir fight was a bit of a disappointment; not so because of the outcome but the way the outcome was determined. Lesnar most definitely learned a few things from his first loss and one of those was to use his body weight as an anchor. Great strategy but really showed no skills. Mir's stand up was spot on but he could not handle Lesnar's massive weight holding him down.

best quote ever from Lesner after the fight “Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ***,” Lesnar said. “I told him that a year ago. I pulled the sum***** out and beat him over the head with it.” The UFC really needs a villain, and they appear to have one in Lesner.
The problem here is that this is not the WWE. Showmanship and charisma are good qualities in a fighter but this is a different venue. On a positive note, his infamous persona will most definitely sell out fight cards.


Some of the ultra-nationalist stuff is getting annoying, though, like calling Bisping a "UK ****" and a "stupid Brit". It's more exciting when it's an international deal, so Americans shouldn't dissuade foreigners that way.
It certainly is not anything new as battle with foreigners end up as "US" versus "THEM" (speaking in relative terms).
Bisping started the trash talk on the Ultimate Fighter reality show. He was constantly mouthing off, and trying to stir things up. Henderson finished it with his fists.
Bisping was certainly well adept at running his mouth on the show. I know not if that is his persona off camera but it made for good entertainment even though it did get annoying at times. It seems it was more strategy on his part but his mouth never shut; well until the fight with Henderson.
Nope. Neither Bisping nor Henderson said anything out of line. You're severely misusing the word "vitriol". Henderson calling Bisping a "douchebag" isn't vitriolic - "British f*g" is. It's the fan comments that go too far.

As for Bisping himself, he was against the actual U.S. vs. U.K. theme for TUF.
He may have been against it but he played the part very well. Spewing forth derogatory comments or overall negative and menacing lip service is a part of the game. The level at which it escalated to is controversial but it was the natural course of things and in some ways, expected.

When they made it a "versus" series that took place in the US, it was only natural that nationalistic tendencies would arise. Getting along with one another was and will always be an issue, no matter what country one is from.

Fans tend to take things to another level or deviate from their intended purpose, which is to cheer on their favorite athlete (in this case). In no way should one condone such things but the fans are the foundation and the bane of most sporting events.

A valid concern no doubt but the behaviors exhibited were not surprising in the least.

[ZechsMerquise1]

best quote ever from Lesner after the fight “Frank Mir had a horseshoe up his ***,” Lesnar said. “I told him that a year ago. I pulled the sum***** out and beat him over the head with it.” The UFC really needs a villain, and they appear to have one in Lesner.

I loved it when Brock mentioned Coors light and Bud light :P


Anyways, Brock dominated Mir, he couldn't even do anything :<

Everyone knew GSP would beat Thiago, and the only way he was gonna win was if he got a lucky hit.

[Reidar]

It certainly is not anything new as battle with foreigners end up as "US" versus "THEM" (speaking in relative terms).

No, BJJ has been in the game since UFC 1 and there was no "'US' versus 'THEM'" mentality when Royce was subbing everyone out. The TUF theme brought the internationalities to the forefront. You hardly had anyone calling Brazilian fighters these same names in equatable instances. Babalu was ten times more antagonistic than Bisping.

You're both going too far in trying to analyze this. Fan stupidity, and nothing more. The end.

He may have been against it but he played the part very well. Spewing forth derogatory comments or overall negative and menacing lip service is a part of the game. The level at which it escalated to is controversial but it was the natural course of things and in some ways, expected.

You're making an equivocation fallacy. Both Henderson and Bisping played the hype game - neither went beyond the limit that I'm referring to.

Fans tend to take things to another level or deviate from their intended purpose, which is to cheer on their favorite athlete (in this case). In no way should one condone such things but the fans are the foundation and the bane of most sporting events.

You don't make a consistent point here, so my response is: duh, the fans are what bring in revenue. Relevant...how?

[Kizoku Keenan]

What a great show, Highlightof the night was Hendo's Ko against michael down for the count bisping haha!

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Thats great, down for the count Bisping, I like that. Some fans seem to say that Lesner has no talent, and that he just lays on him. Mir tried a submission pretty early on, and at other times, and was stuffed every time. In only like 5 fights, Lesner has transformed from a guy who had no submission defense to putting the best submission guy on the ground and stuffing everything he tried to do. I do think that the UFC should consider a super heavyweight division for guys as big as Lesner, but White is opposed to this, thinking that they will just get a bunch of fat slobs. I don't know who currently in the heavyweight class is going to stop Lesner. Coutoure so far was the only one who could somewhat control him in the clinch, but you just can't take many punches from someone as big as Lesner. Perhaps if Bobby Lashley gets enough skills to move up to UFC, he is big enough to take Lesner head on, and the wrestling skills to control him. Lesner vs Fedor would be very interesting, or even Mir vs Fedor

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Lesner vs Fedor would be very interesting, or even Mir vs Fedor
Fedor is a name I've heard mentioned quite a few times as a good contender.
No, BJJ has been in the game since UFC 1 and there was no "'US' versus 'THEM'" mentality when Royce was subbing everyone out. The TUF theme brought the internationalities to the forefront. You hardly had anyone calling Brazilian fighters these same names in equatable instances. Babalu was ten times more antagonistic than Bisping.

NOT in terms of JUST BJJ, which is not an issue here. That has already been accepted since the time people saw that Royce was able to submit people with his little known art back in the infant stages of UFC. When it comes to Americans referring to other nations or cultures, regardless of the topic (this one being about MMA fighters), nationalistic tendencies do make their way to the forefront. This is not a new concept that you have brought up but I agree that it is annoying everytime there is an instance. The Ultimate Fighter IS still a reality show, first and foremost. What were you expecting?
You're making an equivocation fallacy. Both Henderson and Bisping played the hype game - neither went beyond the limit that I'm referring to.
A valid concern but one that really does not surprise me in the least. I am sure one could interpret such fan comments as one thing or another and the severity of such comments are one facet of the game. Henderson was relatively tame and Bisping did quite nicely playing his part. The limit is what you set it to be at this particular instance but I am sure there were certain lines that were crossed, regardless of what perceived constraints were put forth.
You don't make a consistent point here, so my response is: duh, the fans are what bring in revenue. Relevant...how?The revenue is the obvious part. It is the other behaviors that I was referring to (hence the use of the word bane); What was your term, 'fan stupidity?' A good way to sum it up but not as serious as you try make it out to be. Nationalism, in regards to sporting events (among other things), was there before the show ever started and just offered another venue to showcase it.

[ZechsMerquise1]

Thats great, down for the count Bisping, I like that. Some fans seem to say that Lesner has no talent, and that he just lays on him. Mir tried a submission pretty early on, and at other times, and was stuffed every time. In only like 5 fights, Lesner has transformed from a guy who had no submission defense to putting the best submission guy on the ground and stuffing everything he tried to do. I do think that the UFC should consider a super heavyweight division for guys as big as Lesner, but White is opposed to this, thinking that they will just get a bunch of fat slobs. I don't know who currently in the heavyweight class is going to stop Lesner. Coutoure so far was the only one who could somewhat control him in the clinch, but you just can't take many punches from someone as big as Lesner. Perhaps if Bobby Lashley gets enough skills to move up to UFC, he is big enough to take Lesner head on, and the wrestling skills to control him. Lesner vs Fedor would be very interesting, or even Mir vs Fedor

Mir would be no match for Fedor IMO <_<

[Reidar]

NOT in terms of JUST BJJ, which is not an issue here.

Of course it's not the issue. If it was the issue, then I couldn't have brought it up as a comparison. Silly remark.

That has already been accepted since the time people saw that Royce was able to submit people with his little known art back in the infant stages of UFC.

That's what I just said, and it contradicts your own suppositions. You do a ton of filibustering by repeating my points and then concluding with a very meek deduction that wasn't even the original to begin with, so non sequiturs are everywhere. To be honest, I think you just want to fill up space typing rather than address any legitimate dissent you have, since you've made such a big deal out of a very simple and straightforward statement about fans being annoying.

When it comes to Americans referring to other nations or cultures, regardless of the topic (this one being about MMA fighters), nationalistic tendencies do make their way to the forefront.

I just proved this wrong with my BJJ example.

The Ultimate Fighter IS still a reality show, first and foremost. What were you expecting?

Obviously, the opposite of what I've just been saying. What kind of a question is this?

The revenue is the obvious part. It is the other behaviors that I was referring to (hence the use of the word bane); What was your term, 'fan stupidity?' A good way to sum it up but not as serious as you try make it out to be.

Uh, yes. It is. Provide support for your strange and seemingly irrelevant charge on being "serious".

Nationalism, in regards to sporting events (among other things), was there before the show ever started and just offered another venue to showcase it.

Proven wrong with the BJJ example.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Another fight I forgot to comment about was the St-Pierre - Alves fight. Going in, Thiago looked like a great competitor (he still is) but it seems he could not get past GSP's wrestling abilities. It was definitely a match won by points in each round. At one point, I forget which round, St-Pierre was in great position to use an arm triangle but did not do so. He had full mount, his right arm around Thiago's neck and just had to push the right arm aside. A very effective move.

Whether or not St-Pierre was too much or there was not an opportunity, I was expecting to see more submission attempts by Alves. Stand up was decent with some devastating kicks. The other exciting match of the night and it went the distance.


That's what I just said, and it contradicts your own suppositions. You do a ton of filibustering by repeating my points and then concluding with a very meek deduction that wasn't even the original to begin with, so non sequiturs are everywhere. To be honest, I think you just want to fill up space typing rather than address any legitimate dissent you have, since you've made such a big deal out of a very simple and straightforward statement about fans being annoying.

I am sorry you feel that way. The sarcasm and bitter attitude aimed at a differing opinion is not unexpected. I do agree it was a very straightforward statement about fans but I really see no concern for it being a valid issue at the moment. I will take it a bit further and say it was a thoughtful opinion by a fan of the sport on the state of things. But nothing new or revolutionary by any stretch of the imagination.

Uh, yes. It is. Provide support for your strange and seemingly irrelevant charge on being "serious".

Well since you asked so nicely. I would not have used the term "ultra-nationalistic." Elevating it to that level is unnecessary. It looks as if you have issue when people disagree with what you say and go out of your way to prolong what appears to be a fickle phase of fandom. International fighters bring a lot to the sport and the fans will react accordingly, yet not always agreeably. Not a new concept at all.

[Reidar]

I am sorry you feel that way. The sarcasm and bitter attitude aimed at a differing opinion is not unexpected.

There was no sarcasm or bitterness in the quoted excerpt. You filibuster far too much. That wasn't hyperbole.

I do agree it was a very straightforward statement about fans but I really see no concern for it being a valid issue at the moment.

That's not for you to decide, fortunately.

Well since you asked so nicely. I would not have used the term "ultra-nationalistic." Elevating it to that level is unnecessary.

na·tion·al·ism
1: loyalty and devotion to a nation

It's nationalist by definition whether your opinion agrees or doesn't agree.

It looks as if you have issue when people disagree with what you say and go out of your way to prolong what appears to be a fickle phase of fandom. International fighters bring a lot to the sport and the fans will react accordingly, yet not always agreeably. Not a new concept at all.

This is ironic. I voice a non-confrontational opinion, you pick up on it to argue, and now I'm the one who has issues with disagreeing? Pot, meet kettle. And I already proved you wrong on it being a new concept to this extent with the BJJ example, so you'll have to rebut that first.

[lav2k4]

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5189/bispingredcoatp.jpg

:lol: Internets.

[Reidar]

Mine would be better if it wasn't backwards.

http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q235/horsewrestler/fighter%20gifs/24uzxcn.gif

[ZeroRyoko1974]

lol yeah, the british are firing at the colonials

[waltsoph3]

Ooooo I got a chance to see all of Brock's fights today. Man that was vicious what he did to Mir. He really has improved. I wonder what would happen if he and Tito Ortiz got into a fight.

I know Brock has a huge weight advantage if they did fight but they both in a ways have the same kind of tactics, additude, and drive.

Still taking a page out of Mr. T's book

"I pity the fool" who has to step up to Brock Lesner.

[Reidar]

Brock would murder Tito. Tito doesn't do anything but GnP, which Brock automatically has a massive advantage in.

In the UFC, I see Shane Carwin being able to beat Brock.

[ZechsMerquise1]

I thought that there was no way Tito can come back to UFC. 0.0

[Reidar]

He won't come back. He and Dana hate each other (direct words, too). The man is barely even a fighter anymore, anyways. He was never a UFC great and they pretty much have no need for him with the kind of talent they already have, especially since his fights are so boring. They milked all that they were able to with the pathetic trio of Ortiz-Shamrock bouts.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

That's not for you to decide, fortunately.
It is all just a matter of opinion in the end. But it seems you decided that for yourself already.


na·tion·al·ism
1: loyalty and devotion to a nation

It's nationalist by definition whether your opinion agrees or doesn't agree.
Nationalistic is your opinion on the matter. That is fine. But using the word "ultra" is adding extra weight that is unnecessary. There is no disagreement about the definition but thank you for sharing your thoughts. It was the choice terminology used that was over-the-top.


This is ironic. I voice a non-confrontational opinion, you pick up on it to argue, and now I'm the one who has issues with disagreeing? Pot, meet kettle. And I already proved you wrong on it being a new concept to this extent with the BJJ example, so you'll have to rebut that first.
It was never the issue of your opinion being confontational, just overly dramatic and seemingly not so much an issue as you think it is. The fans have their own ideas of what they like and will choose one side or another. The degeneration of sports fans nowadays is a problem and they will make disagreeable comments, just like any other person.

Your BJJ example was a fine one, I'm sure in your eyes, but it seems fans nowadays have evolved into something else. Comments made about Bisping should not be surprising in the least and the concept is nothing new.

Pot and kettle. Too much, even for you, sir. I simply do not agree with your assessment of the state of the sport and your precious opinion. You will just have to accept it and move on.
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/5189/bispingredcoatp.jpg

:lol: Internets.
People have way too much time on their hands.
I thought that there was no way Tito can come back to UFC. 0.0
They are shering in a new generation of fighters. Tito had charisma and drew crowds, although I could never cheer for him. It seems that his loss to Machida (by unanimous decision) and his feelings about Mr. White were some determining factors in not resigning.

[waltsoph3]

Well thats too bad about Tito. :(

I thought he did a great job on the ultimate fighter when he was training his crew. The results even showed it. Even though i like shamrock(epically when he was in WWE seriously they should have let him win the WWE title once. ) Tito did an amazing job.

:lol: Yeah Brock probably would murder Tito but since they both use GnP tactics thats what would make the fight very intresting.

Hey theres been upsets anything can happen. :)

[Reidar]

Nationalistic is your opinion on the matter. That is fine.

No, it is not. By invoking "nation", the element is by definition "nationalistic". It really cannot be stated any simpler.

But using the word "ultra" is adding extra weight that is unnecessary. There is no disagreement about the definition but thank you for sharing your thoughts. It was the choice terminology used that was over-the-top.

It was the delineation I needed and intended, and your permission of it is also unwarranted. The irony, again, is you taking a straightforward and unconfrontational opinion to this argumentative extent - that's what's "unnecessary" and "over-the-top".

It was never the issue of your opinion being confontational, just overly dramatic and seemingly not so much an issue as you think it is.

No, you made it dramatic by drawing it out further and further (and not in a particularly cohesive and literate manner, to boot).


The fans have their own ideas of what they like and will choose one side or another. The degeneration of sports fans nowadays is a problem and they will make disagreeable comments, just like any other person.

Obvious and frivolous.

Your BJJ example was a fine one, I'm sure in your eyes, but it seems fans nowadays have evolved into something else. Comments made about Bisping should not be surprising in the least and the concept is nothing new.

Being that it completely rebuked you positing that there was always nationalist tendencies of this line in sport, it certainly was a fine one.

Pot and kettle. Too much, even for you, sir. I simply do not agree with your assessment of the state of the sport and your precious opinion. You will just have to accept it and move on.

We had moved on. To a whole new page, in fact. You apparently wish to be my intellectual punching bag or something, however, because you dug everything up again. Fine by me, of course. For example: pot and kettle. Do you even know what this means? If so (and that's allowing a huge benefit of doubt), do point out any hypocrisy you apparently detect.

Also, I never spoke on behalf of "the state of the sport", but you seemingly disagree with yourself:

"I simply do not agree with your assessment of the state of the sport."

"The degeneration of sports fans nowadays is a problem."

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Ooooo I got a chance to see all of Brock's fights today. Man that was vicious what he did to Mir. He really has improved. I wonder what would happen if he and Tito Ortiz got into a fight.

I know Brock has a huge weight advantage if they did fight but they both in a ways have the same kind of tactics, additude, and drive.

Still taking a page out of Mr. T's book

"I pity the fool" who has to step up to Brock Lesner.

Yeah, Ortiz is a Light Heavyweight (205 lb), so Lesner would out weigh him by at least 60 lbs. It would be a short fight with Ortiz ending up like Mir

[Trefellin]

Thought you might like this. (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2009/7/15/) :P

[Reidar]

Well well, looks like I was wrong about Tit Oh.

"I am going on espn 1100 in vegas at 6pm. I will be talking anything mma. Call in number is 702 364 1100! Oh yea and welcome back tito :)"

http://twitter.com/DanawhiteUFC

[ZechsMerquise1]

Well well, looks like I was wrong about Tit Oh.

"I am going on espn 1100 in vegas at 6pm. I will be talking anything mma. Call in number is 702 364 1100! Oh yea and welcome back tito :)"

http://twitter.com/DanawhiteUFC

I thought they would never stop insulting each other <_<

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Ortiz has nowhere else to go, except maybe Affliction, and I don't think they will last much longer as they have been unable to make a profit. If they lose Fedor to UFC they are done

[waltsoph3]

Aww snap maybe I can see it. lol But probably not but both Brock and Tito have one main thing in common and thats bad additude. Even though theres a weight difference they both have a good build and if Tito played it smart he could beat Brock. Hey a guy can take a guess. lol

Or better yet.. I wonder maybe we could get the UFC fighters to be on deadliest warrior and have the computer run some simulations to see in statistics who could win those fights. lol

[Reidar]

except maybe Affliction, and I don't think they will last much longer

Heh, they already folded and signed up with the UFC.

[Reidar]

Report: Fedor is finalizing a deal to be in the UFC.

http://www.411mania.com/MMA/news/111704/Report:-Fedor-UFC-Deal-To-Be-Announced-Friday.htm

[Buicovo]

Fedor signed with Strikeforce. (http://www.mmanews.com/other/Fedor-Emelianenko-Signs-With-Strikeforce-Will-debut-In-Fall-2009.html)

Its too bad that we won't see Fedor vs Lesnar any time soon but its not all bad. Fedor does have a number of interesting heavyweight fights over there.

[Reidar]

Yeah, Dana White said the deal came incredibly close to being a reality and that he was offering the best deal he's ever given to anyone (unprecedented money, immediate title shot, Fedor could continue fighting in sambo, etc.) but that M-1 wanted an absurd co-promotion with the UFC.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Any last minute thoughts before it starts? I just hope it is more exciting than the last one.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Didn't get to see it, but read about it on espn.com. Silva destroyed Griffin, and Penn choked out Florian. I think there is only really two people who can challenge Silva. GSP, and Machida. Silva has said he doesn't want to fight Machida as they are good friends. GSP said he isn't ready at this time to fight him. White said that if Silva keeps beating 205 lb guys that he would make the Machida Silva fight happen. Henderson is likely the next opponent right now for Silva. For Penn, it is likely Diego Sanchez

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Didn't get to see it, but read about it on espn.com. Silva destroyed Griffin, and Penn choked out Florian. I think there is only really two people who can challenge Silva. GSP, and Machida. Silva has said he doesn't want to fight Machida as they are good friends. GSP said he isn't ready at this time to fight him. White said that if Silva keeps beating 205 lb guys that he would make the Machida Silva fight happen. Henderson is likely the next opponent right now for Silva. For Penn, it is likely Diego Sanchez

It was a lackluster UFC for the most part. Only two big headliners (Silva v Griffin and Penn V Florian) with a lot of undercards in the first hour or so. I was literally waiting for something to happen.

The Silva fight was good in that it showcased his great stand up ability and his phenomenal movement. What was controversial was the way that Griffin was beat. True, he got hit in the face two prior times in the fight but those who saw the fight were just a bit confused as to what happened.

Griffin was trying so hard to hit Silva...he went in for a basic Jab-Cross while Silva had his arms way down and was moving from side to side. Griffin let two punches fly and then stepped in. Silva easily dodged the punches and let loose a a right jab as he retreated backwards. That clean shot to Griffin's face was by no means a power shot but it caused the season one TUF winner to go down and give up immediately. Without waiting for the official decision he jogged out of the Octagon and back to the locker rooms. In the beginning it was surmised that he had lost his hearing and got a dislocated jaw, which would have explained what had happened but those rumors were put to rest by Griffin's camp. It seems he was just a bit embarrassed. This is the latest that I had read up on. There might be ore developments...

Penn's fight was all right. Nothing too exciting. Nice RNC at the end.

I think Amir Sodallah's fight was called too quickly. He was clearly trying to get back up. Premature TKO but oh well.

I must say the best fight of the night was not any of the headliners but the one after the Penn - Florian fight; the Roop - Sotiropolous fight was some of the best technique that I have seen in a long time. Mind you, I originally started to watch UFC and TUF to see the development of good groundwork and BJJ. You really do not see such things nowadays...until this past Saturday. Nice transitions, good guard passing, mounts, dominate side controls and north-south positions. He kept changing it up and did not give Roop a chance to think.

The finish was cool. Getting a kimura is difficult for me personally but it was awesome technique and reminded me why I got into watching in the first place. A lot of the other fighters need to get back to basics because their fights do not have the level of technique as they should.

PS...there was a Poker game at my training buddies house that was more exciting and intense than the actual PPV event (and I did not buy in).

[Reidar]

People who imply that the fight was rigged or fix have obviously never fought before. It's the exact same thing with Muhammad Ali and Sonny Liston in their second fight. If you get hit on the right location (especially when you're coming in), it's lights out. Aside from the Ali example, I could also cite George Foreman knocking out Michael Moorer that way.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

It seems that to be a fan of UFC and watch PPV events, one does not have to be a fighter. Sitting in the audience or in the living room and yelling at the cages or flat screen is what some fans live to do. And they are content with that. Gotta love them fans.

The suddenness of the KO and the abruptness of Griffin exiting the Octagon made for a bunch of wrinkled foreheads, including the commentators. A sharp, well timed strike at any sweet spot has a lot of devastation. Until there was official word from Griffin's camp, speculation and whatever other scenarios people dreamed up reigned supreme.

[Reidar]

The suddenness of the KO and the abruptness of Griffin exiting the Octagon made for a bunch of wrinkled foreheads, including the commentators

Not the "suddenness of the KO", no. Rogan couldn't stop talking about how amazing Silva's timing and accuracy were.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Not the "suddenness of the KO", no. Rogan couldn't stop talking about how amazing Silva's timing and accuracy were.

Joe Rogan does not stop talking no matter what. There are those here who have labeled him as annoying. The fight and its aftermath provided a nice spectacle for everyone. Some people are just never happy it seems.

[Reidar]

Exactly, which means it was not "including the commentators" because they did the opposite of "wrinkling their foreheads" at the K.O. - they praised it.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Color commentating is what Rogan is paid to do and he enjoys his job. Silva's knock out spectacle and Griffin's quick exit was so abrupt that if Rogan's forehead did not wrinkle up, then he must have had botox injections or must be devoid of any emotion (which we know to be untrue). For the fans, it was just one surprise after another in that particular match. Silva was naturally going to get praised as he has a well known reputation and most obviously, he won the match.

So then, all the trite knit picking aside, a very disappointing UFC event. I would argue to get my money back but I went over a friend's house as a guest and paid a small fee as a courtesy. It was good to just kick back and hang with the boys but it was really difficult for me to get excited about this one, for the most part. Anyone else feel the same way? Don't be shy to say what you feel.

[Reidar]

You say "and...?" as if there's more of a point to it when it already deemed your analysis incorrect. The K.O. did not make "for a bunch of wrinkled foreheads, including the commentators", implying a sense of suspicion. The wrinkling of one's forehead is also not an expression of surprise.

[Kizoku Keenan]

I just wish I could fast forward to UFC 104 Loyto vs Shogun Rua, that is going to be such an amazing match up. I'm a bit excited for ufc 102 but couldn't really give a crap about 103. As far as 101 goes BJ Penn saved the night, if it wasn't for his match against Florian, the event would have been a major total disappointment.

[waltsoph3]

Hey just curious anybody got any pre-game thoughts of the new season of Ultimate Fighter coming up?

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Yeah, someone is going to submit or KO Kimbo Slice. He won't be in the final, but he is a big enough draw he may get a contract anyway. Just got back from UFC 102. Some interesting results
Damion Maia vs Nate Marquart- "Nate the great" knocked Maia horizontal and he fell with a splat when Maia went for a kick and Nate hit him in the face with a straight right hand.
Todd Duffe vs Tim Hague. Hague calls himself the "thrashing machine" and much like the "smashing machine" he got thrashed. To the tune of the fastest ko in UFC history. 7 seconds
Aaron Simpson vs Ed Herman- Simpson was dominating the match until it was stopped in the 2nd round due to Herman injuring his knee
Brandom Vera vs some polish dude- Vera wins a pretty boring unamious dicision
Josh Roshalt vs Chris Leban- pretty back and forth fight with Leban actually getting top position on the 3 time national champion from Oklahoma St. In the end, Roshalt wins by putting Leban to sleep with a side choke
Keith Jardine vs Thiago Silva- Most all of Jardines fights end up with him or his opponent knocked out. In this case it was a first round ko by Silva. Just how bad *** is Lyoto Machida that he thoroughly embarassed Silva when they fought
Randy Coutoure vs Minotauro Noguera- Best match of the year. Two wiley veterans, perhaps the two best technicians in MMA today. They mentioned several times that Noguera had a torn miniscous in his knee when he fought Mir, and then just five weeks before the fight he was in a hospital due to a staff infection. He was in much better shape for this fight, and really picked apart Coutoure in route to a unamous decision. They traded some blows on their feet, but when it was on the ground, it was mostly Nogueras way, with Coutoure narrowly avoiding getting submitted on a couple of occastions.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Christ on a crutch...I totally missed UFC 102 and have purposely not sought any info about it at the moment. The crew that I usually watch it with did not have their usual UFC get-together.

I was really looking forward to the Nogueira - Couture fight. Both I consider very classy people in and outside the ring. Antonio was a beast when he was in PRIDE and regardless of who he loses to in the UFC, his accomplishments were amazing.

In addition, I was looking forward to watching Vera fight again after his long hiatus.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Vera did what he had to win. It just wasn't a very exciting way to do it. An interesting article is up at sherdog.com talking about how a lot of fighters don't study tape of their opponent, or sometimes not even know a thing about their opponent.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles/mma-lies-and-videotape-19414

[Kizoku Keenan]

Yeah, someone is going to submit or KO Kimbo Slice. He won't be in the final, but he is a big enough draw he may get a contract anyway. Just got back from UFC 102. Some interesting results
Damion Maia vs Nate Marquart- "Nate the great" knocked Maia horizontal and he fell with a splat when Maia went for a kick and Nate hit him in the face with a straight right hand.
Todd Duffe vs Tim Hague. Hague calls himself the "thrashing machine" and much like the "smashing machine" he got thrashed. To the tune of the fastest ko in UFC history. 7 seconds
Aaron Simpson vs Ed Herman- Simpson was dominating the match until it was stopped in the 2nd round due to Herman injuring his knee
Brandom Vera vs some polish dude- Vera wins a pretty boring unamious dicision
Josh Roshalt vs Chris Leban- pretty back and forth fight with Leban actually getting top position on the 3 time national champion from Oklahoma St. In the end, Roshalt wins by putting Leban to sleep with a side choke
Keith Jardine vs Thiago Silva- Most all of Jardines fights end up with him or his opponent knocked out. In this case it was a first round ko by Silva. Just how bad *** is Lyoto Machida that he thoroughly embarassed Silva when they fought
Randy Coutoure vs Minotauro Noguera- Best match of the year. Two wiley veterans, perhaps the two best technicians in MMA today. They mentioned several times that Noguera had a torn miniscous in his knee when he fought Mir, and then just five weeks before the fight he was in a hospital due to a staff infection. He was in much better shape for this fight, and really picked apart Coutoure in route to a unamous decision. They traded some blows on their feet, but when it was on the ground, it was mostly Nogueras way, with Coutoure narrowly avoiding getting submitted on a couple of occastions.

It was one of the better UFC events I can say, and the Nate VS miai ko was just....brutal, loved it, Vera was disappointing but from a technical and game plan stand point it was interesting to watch, Couture and Nog was everything people expected it to be...only not as great I thought it would be imo. Keith Jardine got his *** whooped enough said about that lol bring on 104 :)

[waltsoph3]

I'm presuming you guys aren't exactly intrested with the main card for UFC 103?
-_-;

[Kizoku Keenan]

I'm presuming you guys aren't exactly intrested with the main card for UFC 103?
-_-;

I'm looking forward to the Swick fight, he is a great fighter to watch in action.

[waltsoph3]

I'm looking forward to the Swick fight, he is a great fighter to watch in action.

Oh yeah Mike "Quick" Swick! He defently lives up to his name. lol
I wonder how long the win will take this time. :D

[Kizoku Keenan]

So Rampage Jackson is retiring, I read his press release about it and I say fair play to him if what he says is true which it probably is because Dana White is slowly becoming a corporate A hole then I respect his decision to retire and try and get his acting career on the go starting with the A team.

[Reidar]

Cro Cop retired and then came out of retirement in a span of a few days. Godspeed, my man.

[waltsoph3]

Wow I'm surprised no one is talking about ultimate fighter. lol I've been keeping tabs and its not looking too good for team rampage. Still I'm looking forward to the end of this season theres some decent talent. :)

Spoiler with kimbo slice if interested:
Kimbo who? Oh I'm sorry was I soposs to be impressed with that fight? You would think with that body he was gonna dominate. What a joke when it came to his fight. Can you BELIEVE hes still on the show even though he LOST! I cry foul because if it was any other regular fighter on that show there gone after they lose. Imho he doesn't deserve to be there. He didn't earn it after that UFC fight.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

UFC 104, Machida wins a contriversial decision over Shogun Rua. Sounds like a lot of people at the fight and watching, including Dana White thought that Rua had won. Both fighters and Dana also agreed there will be a rematch. I didn't get to see the fight, but from the descriptions I read, it sounds like Rua gave him a hard time hitting him with low kicks when Machida tried to raise his front leg to kick, and also countered with a lot of shots to the body. Sounds like a good strategy for a Muay Thai vs Karate matchup. In another controversial decision, Cain Valasquez defeated Ben Rothwell when ref mazagati stopped the fight in the 2nd round. Aparently there was not doubt who was winning the fight, but many including Cain, thought Rothwell could have continued

[Fobb]

Do you guys pay for the PPV or watch online/replays?
If its the later, can a brotha get a link?

[ZeroRyoko1974]

I haven't seen this one. Previously, I would go to a local sports bar or hooters to watch it. UFC is great, but I wouldn't want to pay 40 bucks for an event

[waltsoph3]

I haven't seen this one. Previously, I would go to a local sports bar or hooters to watch it. UFC is great, but I wouldn't want to pay 40 bucks for an event

ditto. But hey at least you get more fights then you would on the price of a PPV boxing card.lol Still with the way the economy is latly it would be wise for them to try and lower the price just a little bit.


Ultimate fighter 10 spoiler
Did any of you see what Rampage did to that door last week!? Lol WOW! Someone hates losing but hey if you coach bad you get bad results.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Rampage has turned into a joke. He hasn't been the same since losing to Forrest. He probably already knew about the movie thing and didn't care about TUF but had to do it to keep Dana White happy

[waltsoph3]

Rampage has turned into a joke. He hasn't been the same since losing to Forrest. He probably already knew about the movie thing and didn't care about TUF but had to do it to keep Dana White happy

Interesting notion. The way hes coaching atm I'm beginning to wonder if he really wants it still.

EDIT:
WOW! Did you see this weeks ultimate fighter! Man Marcus "The Darkness"
is terrifying! I'm still speechless with his quick victory. Heck they already have him set up to fight last in the quarter finals. :lol: Just shows you that they could indeed be saving the best for last.

Speaking if witch..Anyone here pumped up and ready for UFC 105 on Spike! :) I sure am! Mike "quick" Swick, Brandon "the truth" Vera, Randy "The Natural" Coutoure, plus many more on that card!! I CAN"T WAIT!! :D

[ZeroRyoko1974]

While not UFC, the Strikeforce CBS card was interesing at times. Rogers managed to open a cut on Fedors nose, but was knocked out cold in the 2nd round by a devastating right from the Russian. "You cut him! You hurt him! You see? You see? He's not a machine, he's a man!" in a rather boring but very technical grappling match Jake Shields beat Jason Miller, who had a nice ring entrance but couldn't do much but lay against the cage as Shields continually took him down. Soukojou put up a decent fight until he got put on his back, and as usual when that happens, he got put out. The best fight of the night was Werdum against Antonio "bigfoot" (more like giant club feet) Silva. Pretty good back and forth match

[waltsoph3]

HEY! I just found an intresting development. Chad Ochocinco from the Bangels asked Dana White if he could do a fight for charity. If things go the way they are with Dana this could be a sealed deal.

The story if you want to check it out.
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/UFC-s-newest-fighter-is-Chad-Ochocinco-?urn=mma,201936

As for Ultimate fighter 10
One of the fighters could be pulling out for health reasons. I will be mad if they allow Kimbo to take the place of the quarter finalist. Seriously he doesn't deserve it. There are fighters that put more effort and lost.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

UFC 105 was an ok card. The main even of Coutoure vs Vera was somewhat contreversial in that Coutoure never did any damage to Vera the entire fight. He held him against the cage for most of the fight but only took him down once, and whenever they were seperated Vera scored some pretty hard kicks. If it was any other fighter then Coutoure they probably would have lost the decision. Bisping survived getting rocked by a Kang straight right early in the first to bloody and beat him senseless in the 2nd for a tko victory. I almost want to see him get a shot at Silva, so Silva can knock him senseless like Henderson did. Dan Hardy put on quite a power display rocking Mike Swick on several occasions, but then would spend several minutes trying for a takedown afterwards. If he is going to fight GSP, mental lapses like that are probably not good. TUF winner James Wilks put on a gutsy perforance but was knocked out in the 3rd by Matt Brown. The other TUF winner Pearson picked apart and eventually knocked out Aaron Riley. Award for the best nickname of the night had to go to undercard loser Eoli "The Crazy Cuban" Delgado :lol: He should take care of his crazy beard, but that probably adds to his crazy cuban persona. In any case he may think he is Castro after being knocked into next week by TUF9 runne up Andre Winner. In other UFC news, Brock Lesner is out indefeinately with mono and other unknown illnesses, and an interim championship bout may be held. Noguera has pulled out of his bout with Cain V. with a staph infection. Carwin has had knee surgery in the mean time while waiting for Lesner to recover so no Valasquez vs Carwin fight is not likely.

[Purple Madness]

Anyone hear the news on Lesnar??

Ailing cage fighter Brock Lesnar has developed a serious intestinal disorder that requires surgery, Ultimate Fighting Championship boss Dana White told TMZ.com Monday.

UFC President Dana White originally told the press, this past weekend, that "He's [Lesnar] not well. He's not going to be getting well anytime soon," White told reporters after a UFC event in England. "He doesn't have cancer or AIDS or anything like this, (but) he's got some problems."

On Monday, White clarified his diagnosis somewhat. He also said that Lesnar is back in the U.S. and that he might be admitted to the Mayo Clinic for surgery. According to White, Lesnar, 32, might never fight again

Lesnar himself has not been heard from since cancelling a scheduled bout three weeks ago. Shortly thereafter, UFC announced that Lesnar had contracted mononucleosis. Rumours swirled that he had swine flu. Things appear to be going from bad to worse for the superstar mixed-martial artist.

[GTOSub21]

Anyone hear the news on Lesnar??

This really sucks, I wanna see him vs. Carwin already.

What does everyone think of Cain V.?

[waltsoph3]

:O Ah man! Thats sucks for Brock. Hope he gets well soon. That just really sucks.



Well I got a chance to see 105 and i agree with some. It was an ok card. I'm shocked Vera didn't win. But Randy imho did the wise choice limiting Vera's offense. Trust me Vera is dangerous.

The Mike Swick fight shocked me. I thought someone was gonna get KOed. What a tough fight for both fights. I don't know if Mike has ever gone through 3 rounds before. :/

I liked some of the other fights too but I think my favorite one had to go to the guy that KOed the Crazy Cubian. Man that was a text book KO.

Well can't wait for the Ultimate fighter final. One of my favorites Matt "the hammer" will be action! :D I always admired what he did to get into the UFC.

EDIT:

For anyone thats interested Yahoo news did a story on Brock.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-lesnar111709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Like the guy, or hate em no one should have to go through what he is right now. I really hope he comes out of this alive and with hope be able to continue to fulfill his dream at the UFC. Heres hoping with best wishes to his recovery.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

UFC 106 results
George Sotiropoulos def Jason Dent 2nd round submission
Caol Uno draw Fabricio Camoes
Brian Foster def Brock Larson tapout from punches 2nd rd
Kendall Grove def Jake Roshalt 1st round submission
Ben Saunders def Marcus Davis 1st rnd ko
Amir Sodallah def Phil Baroni (would he be considered a jobber nowadays?) unanimous dec
the other Nogueira brother def Luis Arthur Cain 1st rnd KO (could we see both brothers champions concurently in the future?)
Paulo Thiago def Jacob Volkmann (is his nickname christmas all year round?) unanimous dec
Josh Koscheck def Anthony poke me in the eye Johnson 2nd rnd submission
Forrest Griffin def Tito Ortiz split decision

[GTOSub21]

UFC 106 results
George Sotiropoulos def Jason Dent 2nd round submission
Caol Uno draw Fabricio Camoes
Brian Foster def Brock Larson tapout from punches 2nd rd
Kendall Grove def Jake Roshalt 1st round submission
Ben Saunders def Marcus Davis 1st rnd ko
Amir Sodallah def Phil Baroni (would he be considered a jobber nowadays?) unanimous dec
the other Nogueira brother def Luis Arthur Cain 1st rnd KO (could we see both brothers champions concurently in the future?)
Paulo Thiago def Jacob Volkmann (is his nickname christmas all year round?) unanimous dec
Josh Koscheck def Anthony poke me in the eye Johnson 2nd rnd submission
Forrest Griffin def Tito Ortiz split decision

Little Nog looked amazing in this card, cant wait for his next fight. Kosheck also looked amazing, Anthony Johnson looked so big must suck cutting wieght for him.

[Haruhi]

While not UFC, the Strikeforce CBS card was interesing at times. Rogers managed to open a cut on Fedors nose, but was knocked out cold in the 2nd round by a devastating right from the Russian. "You cut him! You hurt him! You see? You see? He's not a machine, he's a man!" in a rather boring but very technical grappling match Jake Shields beat Jason Miller, who had a nice ring entrance but couldn't do much but lay against the cage as Shields continually took him down. Soukojou put up a decent fight until he got put on his back, and as usual when that happens, he got put out. The best fight of the night was Werdum against Antonio "bigfoot" (more like giant club feet) Silva. Pretty good back and forth match

I watched that fight! I'm SO glad Fedor knocked out Rogers. I watched the pre-fight interviews and he was such an arrogant SOB. And even AFTER he got KTFO, he had the audacity to make excuses as to why he lost - and he even thinks he's going to get a rematch.

[waltsoph3]

Well Saturday its do or die on the ultimate fighter finale live! I can't wait for this card!

Marcus "the darkness" Jones is back. Kimbo is about to get his hide served against Houston Alexander!! Matt Hammil also in action WOOT! And then the final fight whitch..yawn...I'm not too interested in. But I do hope Roy gets his butt kicked. :lol:

[Coffee]

But the thing is Haruhi, since when does Fedor have problems in the octagon?

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Fedor has fought the majority of his fights in a ring. Ultimate Fighter finale. big baby gets knocked out. Mitrione acknowledged his power after the fight saying he had "retard strength" but big babies standup is about on par with Kimbos ground game. On that note, Kimbo vs Alexander. Rd 1... Alexander circle circle circle leg kick (repeat for rest of round). Kimbo stand in middle of ring and try and follow, occasionally throw punch. 2nd round Kimbo hits him a few times, takes him down and does a Rampage like slam. Alexander, repeat of round 1. Rd 3, lots of staring at each other huffing and puffing. Both guys throw some punches, Alexander scores a knockdown with a leg kick. Judges give it 29-28 29-28 30-27 to Kimbo Slice. Not a great fight from either guy, but Kimbo has improved a bit, albeit Alexander is probably the only mma guy with less a ground game then Kimbo
*edit*
Ultimate fighter whatever season this i winner is Roy big gut Nelson by KO. Next seasons coaches is Chuck glass jaw Liddell and Tito I didn't really lose twice to Liddell Ortiz. So how many whoppers can you buy with a six figure salarY?

[waltsoph3]

When I heard who would be the coaches I was very excited!! :D This is gonna get good. I wonder will we ever see Rishad and Rampage get it on. I hope they find a way to do it.

I hate how UFC is calling Marcus "big baby". Hes not not big baby..HE'S THE DARKNESS! GET IT RIGHT! lol But man i can't belive he lost..where was that vicious intensity!?
Speaking of that I'm sorry but I'm still not impressed with Kimbo..more then that..I can't belive Alexander! What was he doing!? Circling the ring for minutes just to expose the leg..come on! Thats not the Alexander I enjoy.

Man too bad about Matt :(. Thats the first time I've seen him dominated like that. I'm glad the refs made the right call giving him the DQ victory. I smell a rematch comming and next time I feel Matt is gonna make "bones" pay.

And last but not least congrads to Roy. Although he really had it too easy getting into the finals but man that was a KO shot. :lol:

Well can't wait for next season. :)

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Went to watch UFC 107 at a local bar. Some of the highlights, two drunk chicks fighting during the Penn vs Sanchez fight. I really think one of them would have had a better chance at taking down Penn then Sanchez did. The drunker one, shoved some dude out the way like he wasn't there to go after the slightly less drunk one. Oh, and Penn almost kicked Sanchez head off to open a huge cut that stops the fight. Florian looked like a vulture picking apart Guida. I haven't seen anyone dominate Guida like that. Sanchez beat him pretty good for a round, but Florian looked like Ali float like a butterfly sting like a bee against Guida. I think Kongo is still asleep, someone wake him up and let him know he lost. Alan Belcher couldn't have looked more gay then he did in his pink trunks and corn rows (did he lose a bet with someone to end up like that?) but he scored a pretty early knockout

[GTOSub21]

BJ Penn is a freaking monster that was a amazing fight (he's also the only vampire in the ufc... hint hint licking the blood off his gloves every win :lol:) I didnt think he was going to dominate that bad.

Frank Mir looked amazing, he handled Kongo the way I imagined (Kongo is 1 dimensional)

I havent seen Clay Guida get dropped by anyone like the way Kenflo dropped him

Overall it was a amazing card very happy :D

[Mizumi]

Mir looked in great form, with him at this size it will be good to see Mir v Lesnar 3, lets hope Lesnar can make a good recovery for that fight and for himself too, BJ just owned Diego, I thought it would be a decent fight but he didn't stand a chance from the get go, he's got heart though, most people would of been finished after the start he had.

[Fobb]

Missed yet another one.

Yikes...
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[TeeReks]

Loved 107. Diego was severely outclassed. He hung in there though.
Dude has one seriously wicked chin to survive all those shots.

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WAR PENN!!!

[Mizumi]

Great chin and great heart, but he was outclassed in every way, I thought it would be a much closer fight, but he was made to look poor by a masterful BJ Penn.

[Mizumi]

I know this is a UFC thread, but does anybody watch Strikeforce or any other MMA, damn I couldn't believe Cung Le got beaten and almost knocked out after he dominated the whole fight.

[TeeReks]

Yea I saw the last Strikeforce event.

Le vs Smith was Comeback of the Year IMO.

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That's sort just become Smith's M.O. now. Win or loss, dude is going to catch a massive beating during the fight.

[Mizumi]

Le looked like maybe he was gassing a little in that 3rd round, he came out at a great pace in the 3rd and paid the price later on for it, the crowd went crazy when he got caught, I don't think anyone could believe what they had just saw.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

The battle of we both lost to Muchida is this weekend. Rashad Evans vs Thiago Silva. I like Silva, he is an animal. I hope he crushes Evans

[Mizumi]

I'll be wanting Rashad to beat Silva, I always liked Rashad, but on TUF10 you really got to see that he was a decent guy, and a geat coach.

[waltsoph3]

I'll be wanting Rashad to beat Silva, I always liked Rashad, but on TUF10 you really got to see that he was a decent guy, and a geat coach.

Absolutely! I'm very impressed with Rashad. Hes truly come a long ways since the UF.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Great chin and great heart, but he was outclassed in every way, I thought it would be a much closer fight, but he was made to look poor by a masterful BJ Penn.
I really wanted to see this one. :(
I know this is a UFC thread, but does anybody watch Strikeforce or any other MMA, damn I couldn't believe Cung Le got beaten and almost knocked out after he dominated the whole fight.
I do not usually keep up with Strikeforce but Cung Le is still a top fighter in my book.
I'll be wanting Rashad to beat Silva, I always liked Rashad, but on TUF10 you really got to see that he was a decent guy, and a geat coach.
He always had a cocky way about him and I think his loss to Machida was quite a humbling experience. His trash talk game is good and it was very entertaining to see him and Rampage go at it. I would like to see that fight some day.
Missed yet another one.

Yikes...
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http://i46.tinypic.com/wh0adx.jpg
Same here brother. It feels like a part of my life is a bit devoid something now...lol.

[Mizumi]

He always had a cocky way about him and I think his loss to Machida was quite a humbling experience. His trash talk game is good and it was very entertaining to see him and Rampage go at it. I would like to see that fight some day.

He is cocky, but TUF10 showed he's a nice guy too, I liked Rampage but TUF10 damaged my image of him, especially when he was leaving his defeated fighters in the cage all alone, that's the time they needed him most, but Rampage just saw it as a game between him and Rashad, I don't think he took in that fighters were fighting for their careers.

@ waltsoph3 loads of people still underestimate him, even Rampage was saying "Just cause you knocked a few people out you think your the man" to him, but the truth is Rashad is easily one of the top dogs at 205.

[waltsoph3]

He is cocky, but TUF10 showed he's a nice guy too, I liked Rampage but TUF10 damaged my image of him, especially when he was leaving his defeated fighters in the cage all alone, that's the time they needed him most, but Rampage just saw it as a game between him and Rashad, I don't think he took in that fighters were fighting for their careers.

@ waltsoph3 loads of people still underestimate him, even Rampage was saying "Just cause you knocked a few people out you think your the man" to him, but the truth is Rashad is easily one of the top dogs at 205.

Hey thats more power to Rashad! :) How many can say they KOed the Iceman.
When he beat Chuck to me..that was his turning point.

Did you guys noticed something with the UF10 finale. Rampage..:-" Rampage who.

I've seen that tactic in WWE when a wrestler leaves there show..its like they just "erase" em. I hope Rampage comes back sometime. I think everyone would love to see the 2 coaches duke it out.

[Mizumi]

Hey thats more power to Rashad! :) How many can say they KOed the Iceman.
When he beat Chuck to me..that was his turning point.

Did you guys noticed something with the UF10 finale. Rampage..:-" Rampage who.

I've seen that tactic in WWE when a wrestler leaves there show..its like they just "erase" em. I hope Rampage comes back sometime. I think everyone would love to see the 2 coaches duke it out.

For sure, I would love to see Rashad knock Rampage out :lol: even though Dana and Rampage had that war of words when Rampage decided to work on the new A-Team movie, Rampage has since said he would like to come back after the film and finish up his contract with the UFC, so it's still possible we could see this one.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

UFC 108 results
Junior Dos Santos TKO over Gilvert Yvel. Yvel certainly talked a good game before the fight, but Dos Santos had little trouble with him, knocking him out in the first round
Jim Miller submission over Duane Ludwig. Nice armbar finish
Sam Stout dec over Joe Luazon- classic what happens to a submission guy when he blows his wad early and can't finish a good striker. Stout picks him apart for 3 rounds and scores a unamous decision
Paul "Semtex" Daly KO over Dustin Hazlett- Daly lives up to his nick name with an explosive lay the guy out flat ko of Hazlett. They may still be trying to wake Hazlett up from that one
Rashad Evans dec over Thiago Silva- apparently Machida knocked enough sense into Evans for him to remember that he was once a wrestler and it is ok to pick guys up and throw them to the mat. Evans did just that, and used his bobblehed boxing defense to nix Silvas striking. Until the 3rd round when Evans got caught, and very very close to getting knocked out. If Silva had not been wore down by Evans takedowns in earlier rounds he might have finished it. That and if he hadn't spent half the round trying to clown Evans into a slug fest. This was close to being one of the all time great combacks if Silva had pulled off the KO. As it is, Evans wins the decision and will probably fight the Rua vs Machida winner

[Mizumi]

Rashad v Silva was a great fight, Rashad got a little lazy in the 3rd though after winning the first 2 rounds and nearly got knocked out for it, when Silva was goating him to slug it out he should of just stuck to the plan and stayed calm, glad he survived though and won the fight.

As it is, Evans wins the decision and will probably fight the Rua vs Machida winner

Dana said if Rashad won he would be fighting Rampage early March time, can't wait for that one.

[TheCaptain]

I had Evans as the favorite going into the fight but I never count out Thiago Silva, the guy can land punches with the best in his division and he is no slouch in submissions either, I just had a gut feeling that Evans was coming out with the win. Evans could/should definatly make a run at the belt now that he picked up the win last night, I know Evans would love another shot at Machida but as of now it seems like he has his sights set on Rampage Jackson....

Think "Gold" here Evans, put yourself in the drivers seat and fight for the belt instead of being bogged down in a fight where it's all about rivalry, if Evans gained the gold then his fight against Jackson would be a bigger draw. Either way, it was an interesting fight last night and I am definatly thirsting for Machida -vs- Evans in the near future.

[Mizumi]

What sucks for Silva is, his salary for the night was $55,000 while Rashads was $375,000.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

UFC 105 was an ok card. The main even of Coutoure vs Vera was somewhat contreversial in that Coutoure never did any damage to Vera the entire fight. He held him against the cage for most of the fight but only took him down once, and whenever they were seperated Vera scored some pretty hard kicks. If it was any other fighter then Coutoure they probably would have lost the decision.

It is sad that controversy over big names are still there. It was a lackluster fight and I remember thinking that I wasted my money for that PPV event.

He is cocky, but TUF10 showed he's a nice guy too, I liked Rampage but TUF10 damaged my image of him, especially when he was leaving his defeated fighters in the cage all alone, that's the time they needed him most, but Rampage just saw it as a game between him and Rashad, I don't think he took in that fighters were fighting for their careers.


Rashad has class but trash talk is not my thing. Humble people like Anderson Silva and Machida earn my respect. Rampage is just funny and the showed displayed his comical (whether intentional or not) side. Plus, he has a bit of a speech impediment at times where it is difficult to understand what he is saying but you kind of know his point.

It was a game between them and no one likes to lose. Rashad showed himself to be a better coach because Rampage had a piss poor attitude toward his fighters. He was so focused on fighting...being a teacher and a mentor to others takes time and development. And a lot of patience.

Hey thats more power to Rashad! :) How many can say they KOed the Iceman.
When he beat Chuck to me..that was his turning point.



It was a nice victory for him. But then Rashad faltered against Machida. The bobbing and weaving was just for show. He was outclassed in that fight and I would like to see a rematch one day.

Rashad v Silva was a great fight, Rashad got a little lazy in the 3rd though after winning the first 2 rounds and nearly got knocked out for it, when Silva was goating him to slug it out he should of just stuck to the plan and stayed calm, glad he survived though and won the fight.



Dana said if Rashad won he would be fighting Rampage early March time, can't wait for that one.

Yeah, it is all about making the fight 'yours' and trying to control the pace. Strikers stay off the ground and wrestlers like their take downs. But it is mixed martial arts so they need to mix it up!

I will need to see the highlight of this reel as well. I missed so much UFC at the end of 2009.

Well, Rampage caught the acting bug before. But a fight between him and Rashad would be awesome. Rampage is a beast.

[Mizumi]

Rashad has class but trash talk is not my thing. Humble people like Anderson Silva and Machida earn my respect. Rampage is just funny and the showed displayed his comical (whether intentional or not) side. Plus, he has a bit of a speech impediment at times where it is difficult to understand what he is saying but you kind of know his point.

It was a game between them and no one likes to lose. Rashad showed himself to be a better coach because Rampage had a piss poor attitude toward his fighters. He was so focused on fighting...being a teacher and a mentor to others takes time and development. And a lot of patience.

Silva and Machida are pretty cool, but they could be nobs in real life :lol: I lost some respect for Rampage on the show, sure he's funny and all, but the way he treated his fighters was real bad, it was just a game between him and Rashad as far as he was concerned.


Yeah, it is all about making the fight 'yours' and trying to control the pace. Strikers stay off the ground and wrestlers like their take downs. But it is mixed martial arts so they need to mix it up!

I will need to see the highlight of this reel as well. I missed so much UFC at the end of 2009.

Well, Rampage caught the acting bug before. But a fight between him and Rashad would be awesome. Rampage is a beast.

Missing UFC events is not acceptable, 20 press ups, NOW :P
Yeah the fight between those two will be awesome, sparks will fly, but who will fall?

[waltsoph3]

Good news Lesnar fans. It looks like hes a-ok.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-lesnar012010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

What sucks for Silva is, his salary for the night was $55,000 while Rashads was $375,000.

The numbers are staggering...

Good news Lesnar fans. It looks like hes a-ok.

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=dw-lesnar012010&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

I wonder if his piss poor attitude has a cure or remedy. He is a beast nonetheless. Like Kimbo, I would like to see more jui jitsu techniques instead of straight up muscle.

Silva and Machida are pretty cool, but they could be nobs in real life :lol: I lost some respect for Rampage on the show, sure he's funny and all, but the way he treated his fighters was real bad, it was just a game between him and Rashad as far as he was concerned.

Tell us what you really think though...:P

The fight techniques that both employ are very effective. Your choice of slang is interesting but, alas I know no UFC fighters in real life. They very well could be but I like to give the benefit of the doubt in certain cases. It seems that every fighter has their own persona in the spotlight, albeit not as extreme as in professional wrestling circles like WWE.


Missing UFC events is not acceptable, 20 press ups, NOW :P
Yeah the fight between those two will be awesome, sparks will fly, but who will fall?

Someone is going to fall...place your bets here...NOW! Rampage is getting on in years but his experience in PRIDE and his natural sheer ferocity makes him a good opponent.

I need to get back onto the UFC express soon. Catching up on other stuff at the moment but whether it is regular press up, diamond, military style push up, finger tip or knuckles I am up to the challenge! Only 20? :lol:

[ZeroRyoko1974]

If Lesner learned BJJ it would be scary. As it is now, he just over powers guys and lays a hamhock aka his fist upside peoples heads. Seems like most of the escapes he had against Mir he just kind of powered out after pounding his head into mashed potatoes for awhile. I really don't think the rematch will be much different, no matter how much weight Mir puts on. As far as Rampage vs Evans, I think Evans will frustrate him with low kicks and then take him down and smother him to win by decision.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Complete ownage by Coutoure. Coleman never even attempted a takedown much less put Coutoure on his back. Coutoure wins by picking him apart with superior boxing skills (someone needs to tell Coleman if you stand up straight with your hands down, you are going to get punched a lot), eventually taking him down in the 2nd for a brief ground and pound and finish with a choke out
Other matches:
Matt Sera KO over Frank twinkle twinkle little star Trigg 1st round
Damian Maia dec over Dan Miller
Paulo Thiago submission 2nd over Mike Swick
Chael Sonnen dec over Nate Marquart

[ZeroRyoko1974]

some interesting matches this weekend at the first UFC event in Australia. Noguera vs Cain Valasquez- this should be a doozy between one of the best all time, and a rising star in the heavyweight division. Other matches

Wanderlei Silva vs. Michael Bisping Can only hope that Silva knocks Bisping into next week
Joe Stevenson vs. George Sotiropoulos have to like a fighter with a nick name like "daddy"
Ryan Bader vs. Keith Jardine- could be interesting depending on which Jardine shows up. The one that got knocked out by Silva in 30 sec, or the one that beat Brandon Vera and Forest Griffin
Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic vs. Ben Rothwell - I hope Cro Cop kicks him into next week. I really miss him doing that to guys.
Goran Reljic vs. C.B. Dollaway- ummmm, no opinion
Stephan Bonnar vs. Krzysztof Soszynski- Bonnar never has been able to live up to the hype of losing to Griffin at UF1. Losing to a way over the hill Mark Coleman didn't help matters
Chris Lytle vs. Brian Foster- Chris Lytle is involved, guaranteed to be a fight of the night contender
James Te Huna vs. Igor Pokrajac who and who?
Elvis Sinosic vs. Chris Haseman no opinion

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Results

Nogueira vs Cain V- no contest here. Much like Lesner vs Coutoure, Cain was stronger faster and younger. KO for Cain V. Cain vs Lenser and then winner meets Mir vs Carwin winner?
Wanderlei Silva vs. Michael Bisping Good fight, Silva wins decision, almost choked out Bisping at end of 2nd, and almost ko'd at end of 3rd.
Joe Stevenson vs. George Sotiropoulos Mr Snufleupakus completely dominated Stevenson on the feet and on the ground on route to a unamious decision
Ryan Bader vs. Keith Jardine- late round knockout by Bader. Jardine seemed to be complaing about the stoppage after, but he was out.
Mirko “Cro Cop” Filipovic vs. Ben Rothwell - Rothwell was a late scratch. Cro Cop wins a TKO due to a cut after the 2nd round.
Goran Reljic vs. C.B. Dollaway- Decision for Dollaway
Stephan Bonnar vs. Krzysztof Soszynski-Bonnar loses when Dr. stops fight because of a cut. Bonnar says the cut was caused by a headbutt and it shouldn't have been stopped
Chris Lytle vs. Brian Foster-Lytle gets a submission victory and probably blew the guys knee out in the process.
James Te Huna vs. Igor Pokrajac De Tuna wins by Ko
Elvis Sinosic vs. Chris Haseman I think this fight was scratched

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Yo ZeroRyoko1974; No updates from the last UFC buddy? That seemed to be your thing on this particular thread.

I missed the first hour but I was told there was nothing too spectacular during that time frame.

It made me happy to see some actual ju jitsu during a headlined fight although George St. Pierre's technique really made me raise an eyebrow. I honestly jumped up when he got Hardy in that armbar and thought it was over. Hardy was pinned and the arm was extended. But then it was like GSP was not using the hips for leverage and Hardy just rolled out of it.

The next exciting part was that freaking kimura that GSP pulled off; it was locked in tight and he even stepped over the head of Hardy and centered all his weight. There was one point where he cranked it viciously and yet nothing came of that. I will need to review the fights again.

George jokingly said after the fight that he thought Hardy was some sort of plastic man but there may be an issue with technical execution. He is still a very humble and classy guy but it surprised me. However, Hardy is no pushover himself and although he got dominated in every single round, he showed himself to be able to persevere when other people would have tapped. One of the better headliner fights in recent UFC history in my opinion.

The match up between Carwin and Lesner should be very very interesting to say the least. In order to get the shot at Lesner, he made Mir eat upper cut after upper cut until he could not handle it. That was an exciting short fight.

I know a friend who made the trip to watch 111 live and he was psyched out of his mind...as most young people are at sporting events. Dude called me twice at work and multitexted to let me know he met with Thiago Alves and I think got a picture with Renzo Gracie in addition to a plethora of other things. And he saw Chuck Lidell from a distance. LOL. But I think the icing on the cake was when he sent me a video of George St. Pierre signing his shirt after the fight. It seems even men can act like schoolgirls. But I jest.

Part of him can be seen as GSP was walking out before the fight. I totally missed it as he seemed to have had decent seats.

The kid spent a lot of money on the tickets and it was a great trip for him. When I go to roll with this kid and his brother I will definitely be getting a closer look at this shirt...just to verify the authenticity of it.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

I didn't update it, because nobody else was responding. Figured nobody else was reading lol.
Jim Miller def. Mark Bocek -- Unanimous Decision. Good fight, very back and forth. Jim Miller eeked out a very close decision.
Jon Fitch def. Ben Saunders -- Unanimous Decision- No contest here. Much like the GSP fight, Saunders spent the majority of the fight on his back. Dana White wants Fitch to fight Koscheck but neither man wants the fight because they are both on the same team. I say, wah, Koscheck has been whinning for some while about another title shot, and Fitch just keeps on winning. They are probably the top two contenders, make them fight.
Kurt Pellegrino def. Fabricio Camoes -- Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) 4:20 R2 Very good display of BJJ from both guys.
Shane Carwin def. Frank Mir -- KO (Punches) 3:48 R1 Carwin is a freakin animal. Could he be the one that dethrones Lesner? He has the wrestling to compete with Lesner, and has serious knockout power. As big as Carwin is, he looked pretty small next to Lesner. Should be a big time fight. Probably the biggest fight in the sport since GSP/BJ II.
Georges St. Pierre def. Dan Hardy -- Unanimous Decision. There was no reason Hardy should have been put in this fight, other then to raise UFC popularity in England. This fight was effectively over the first time GSP took Hardy down. Once you knew that Hardy couldn't defend the takedown, it was over. He is a pretty tough dude though, 99% of fighters would have tapped to the armbar in round 1. There is nobody left at 170. Jake Shields is months away from competing in the UFC, even if he leaves Strikeforce. It's time for GSP to move up to 185, and fight some of the guys there like Wanderlei Silva, Chael Sonnen, Damian Maia, or Anderson Silva

[ZeroRyoko1974]

The lights went out at the Bojangles Collisium in Charlotte, and then Roy big beer gut Nelson put Stefen damn that dude is tall Struve's lights out. Florian picks apart Gomi for 2 rounds and finishes him with a choke in the 3rd. Florian really made Gomi look like a n00b

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

The lights went out at the Bojangles Collisium in Charlotte, and then Roy big beer gut Nelson put Stefen damn that dude is tall Struve's lights out. Florian picks apart Gomi for 2 rounds and finishes him with a choke in the 3rd. Florian really made Gomi look like a n00b

I caught the end of the Florian - Gomi fight. I am waiting for a repeat or will try to find another copy somewhere but the choke was in deep.

I cannot believe that Big Country was able to win his fight. His size gives him a good advantage and we all know he is good at the crucifix.

Zeroryoko...we are always reading. I have just been away for a bit. But we shall be back for 112.

[Kizoku Keenan]

Really hate Anderson Silva...GRRR!

[ZeroRyoko1974]

UFC 112
Mark Munoz def Kendell Grove ground in pound ko in 2nd. Munoz survived several submission attempts in both rounds before pounding him out

Rafael Do Anjos vs Terry Etim Anjos wins via 2nd round armbar. Very nice BJJ

Gustaffson vs Phil Davis- Ole puts up a good fight until Davis gets him with a D'Arce (sp?) choke with seconds left in the round
Matt Hughes vs Renzo Gracie- this might have been really cool like 5 yrs ago, but it is still a good matchup. WTF KIND OF JOKE IS THIS FIGHT. FINISH HIM ALREADY. Hughes wins via KO with seconds left in the 3rd, but he could have finished it much earlier but let Gracie continue to stand there and be a human kick bag. At one point Hughes even helped Gracie standup because he could barely stand on his own. Crowd was booing like crazy because it was a boring fight

BJ Penn vs Frankie Edgar. 4 rounds, pretty close fight, I think Edgar might be ahead. Penn looks kind of lazy out there tonight. Edgar definately won the 5th, i think he should win the decision. OMG OMG PENN LOSES PENN LOSES PENN LOSES

Anderson Silva vs Damian Maia- Rogan said Silva was seen earlier in a "Trust me I'm a Jedi" t-shirt. Maybe that's his secret. Hmm, first round Silva looks like a drunk monkey, I think he is bored. Silva tried out Machidas stance for a bit. I don't see Maia being able to do anything in this fight, he can't touch Silva. Silva continues to toy with Maia in the 2nd. Capoeria (sp?) for a bit. Silva is now standing there daring Maia to hit him. Maia is having none of it. Silva is now stalking maia punching him and kicking him and yelling at him to do something. Maybe Silva will somehow hurt himself during all this and maia could win. 3rd round a little less clowning from Silva. I think Maia might have nicked him. Silva waits for him to stand up and plays hide and seek with the ref. 4th round. Silva is really uninterested at this point. Crowd is chanting for Maia and GSP. Between rounds aparently Dana White chewed out Silva's managers. 5th round, Maias face looks like a train wreck. Maia swinging for the fences, actually hit him a couple of times and got ahold of a leg. Silva still uninterested. Ref warns Silva to stop just circling around and doing nothing. Fight finishes, Silva will obviously win the fight. He talked about going down to 170 to fight GSP and then fight Heavyweight. Crowd is really booing loudly as Rogan interviews Silva. He apologizes basically for acting like a clown.


“I don’t think I’ve been more embarrassed in the 10 years of being in this business,” said White. “It’s the first I’ve ever walked out on a main event, given the belt to the guy’s manager and told him to put it on him.” Dana White after the fight

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

All right. I consider myself a very patient person and this UFC had some good fights as well as ones that really made me regret sitting through this thing.

Munoz really surprised me with his comeback victory as he was getting mauled in the stand up game. His ground and pound is some of the best I have seen recently.

You know I was excited about the Gracie Hughes fight. I thought it was going to be a good match up but Renzo was a bit out muscled and needs to work on his cardio a bit more. I jokingly called Hughes the next Gracie killer but he had fought both Gracies past their prime. The leg kicks were quite devastating and then Renzo decided to just lie down. I commend the respect that Hughes had for his opponent but not the match I was expecting.

One of the biggest upsets that I witnessed that night...Edgar defeats Penn to win the belt. It was surreal but I think it was well deserved. Penn was moving a bit lazily around while Edgar kept the fight at his own pace. Congrats to the winner.

Now everyone everywhere has got a lot to say about the main event. One thing that bothered me was that Silva did not finish the fight. He clowned around and let it go to a decision. For a dude so talented and gifted, he really should use his head a little bit more. Maia really was outclassed and you saw his desperation when he was chasing Silva with his legs wide open. LOL. Silva had a definite presence in the Octagon that was intimidating to Maia. It was too bad that Silva did not feel like using his ground skills in this one.

Regardless of how much Dana White is pissed off, Silva's talent cannot be denied. His performance though shows that he may not be ready for a shot against GSP. I know that this is not the first time White was disappointed (to say the least) with Silva's performance but this is the first time that I had witnessed him not putting the belt around the winner. He basically gave the belt to the manager and wanted nothing to do with Silva at that point.

I hope the next UFC will be worth it.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Dana White appearing on Rome is burning mentioned that Chael Sonnen will likely be Silva's next opponent. I don't think that the UFC wants Silva and GSP to fight. I don't know who else GSP can fight at 170. Aparently now, the Ortiz vs Liddell fight is off, or delayed until later this year. Liddell will fight Rich Franklin at UFC 115 in Vancouver. I would really love to see Anderson Silva vs Machida. Maybe if Rua wins the rematch we will get Silva vs Rua

[ZechsMerquise1]

There's really no one else for GSP to fight at this point, hopefully we'll see Silva VS GSP.

Kind of like the same situation with Pacman and Mayweather :[

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Strikeforce Saturday Night Fights
Mousaoi (sp?) vs King mo
Rd 1- Mo takes dude down and punches him a lot. Not doing a lot of damage, but scoring. Mouseowie very calm doing some work from the bottom.
Rd 2- more of the same, King Mo winded, mouseowie punching him a lot from the bottom.
Rd 3- more of rd 1
Rd 4- Mouseowie getting in some punches, but he appears winded from King Mo laying on top of him for 3 rds. More of the first round really. Mo takes him down but he doesn't really do anything other then throw useless punches that do no damage, but Moueowie not doing anything really to stop him.
Rd 5- Mouseowie punches him a couple of times, and then King mo takes him down yet again. Mouseowie loses a point for illegal upkick. Back to the ground, with King Mo on top of him. Mouseowie gets back to feet and hits him a couple of times and then gets taken down again.
tl;dr- Jon Fitch err GSP err King Mo will win a decision for 5 rounds of taking guy down and laying on him occasionaly striking

Shinya Aoki vs Gilbert Melendez
Aoki is one of the deadliest submission guys in MMA, but will he be able to do it as easy without the full length tights to get a better grip.
Rd 1- Aoki circles the cage looking for an oppurtunity to go to the ground. Melendez staying outside occasionaly swatting at Aoki. Aoki gets an arm and gets it to the ground, but they get back up pretty quickly. Fight goes to the ground again, and Melendez scores with a few strikes. Back on their feet and Melendez paws him a couple of times.
Rd 2- Aoki attempts a takedown from another area code and gets punched in the face. Aoki pulls guard, gets punched a few times. Gets back up. Aoki actually throws and connects with a punch. Mlendez is pressing more now scoring with the occasional jab. Aoki tries to pull guard a couple of more times, not much happening.
Rd 3- Aoki tries to take down Melendez but it's not working, he tries flopping and scooting on his butt. Melendez pushes Aoki against the cage and scores some punches.
Rd 4- More of the same, at one point though the ref was standing Aoki up because all he was doing was butt scooting and Melendez punched him in the face :lol:
Rd 5- Aoki pulls guard but Melendez pushes into the fence. They stand back up. not a whole lot happens, lots of circling.
tl;dr one dimensional ground guys usually lose to MMA fighters.
Dan Henderson vs Jake Shields- Frank Shamrock really doesn't like Shields.
Rd 1- Henderson scores a big knockdown. Shields recovers and grabs henderson by the foot. Henderson escapes. Shields tries to stand with Hendo, and gets staggered by another right. Sheilds gets knocked down again, gets whacked a few more times. Back on their feet. Henderson is stalking Shields. Shields grabs on against the fence. After a bit they get broken up. Shields tries a takedown. hendo reverses, and stands back up. Pushes against the fence. Henderson content to just lean on him. Round ends.
Rd 2- Shields comes out jabbing, and eventually gets a takedown. Shields gets the mount. Throws some weak punches. Rest of the round is pretty much the same with Shields on top throwing punches.
Rd 3- Shields scoring with jabs and kicks. Attempted takedown reversed and back to the feet. Takedown attempt and scrambling around, Shields ends up in guard. Shields attempts a choke, but henderson gets out. Still on top, more of the same.
Rd 4- henderson scores with a punch and kick. Shields tries to take him down agian, henderson reverses it . Another scramble and Shields gets him down again. Rest of the round more of the previous 2 rounds. Lots of talk from the announcers about Henderson having back problems and having to drop close 20 lbs to make weight. Shields is content to sit on him and throw weak strikes
Rd 5 Guess what, Hendo hits him a couple of times and back to the ground. Shields rides it out laying on top throwing weak punches. For a guy who is known as a strong wrestler, henderson has turned into a pretty one dimensional striker. If he doesn't get a guy who just stands in front of him, he got out wrestled by Rampage, got submitted by Anderson Silva (Silva has never submitted anyone before that, other then with strikes), and now Shields makes him look like Slice on the ground. Awesome brawl after the fight between Jason Miller and a bunch of other dudes after he got in the cage and demanded a rematch with Shields. Freakin awesome, best fighting of the night.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vau4RSvV834

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Dana White appearing on Rome is burning mentioned that Chael Sonnen will likely be Silva's next opponent. I don't think that the UFC wants Silva and GSP to fight. I don't know who else GSP can fight at 170. Aparently now, the Ortiz vs Liddell fight is off, or delayed until later this year. Liddell will fight Rich Franklin at UFC 115 in Vancouver. I would really love to see Anderson Silva vs Machida. Maybe if Rua wins the rematch we will get Silva vs Rua

I totally missed Saturday's Strikeforce and I think it was on a free channel too.
So I am going to forgo your synopsis and comment till after I see a replay.

But I am hoping that Machida - Shogun 2 will be a better fight than the first one. It is bad when you have first episode fights on this season of the Ultimate Fighter (I think I may have a thread somewhere...I do not remember though) are better than a lot of recent Pay Per View fights.

A Silva - Machida fight is something I would very much like to see as well.

As for GSP...I think Machida would make an interesting match up for him...

[ZeroRyoko1974]

I don't. Machida defeated Tito Ortiz, Rashad Evans, and Thiago Silva all very capable grapplers. Not to mention he would have a size advantage. Machida is not the type of fighter that GSP has fought, and Machida has fought several grapplers (GSP's standup is non existant nowadays)

[waltsoph3]

uh oh! Tito got arrested! You know hes in the doghouse! :O
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/04/27/tito-ortiz-jenna-jameson-engage-said-said-battle-following-domestic-dispute/?test=faces

It makes wonder what Dana might do. You know his style guys he's straight up and doesn't take crap.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Hard to say, I think Dana will likely to wait for any criminal proceedings to iron themselves out. A lot of people are saying that if he did hit her there would be marks or something, so I don't know. She could have just pulled guard though, she is good off her back ;)

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

I don't. Machida defeated Tito Ortiz, Rashad Evans, and Thiago Silva all very capable grapplers. Not to mention he would have a size advantage. Machida is not the type of fighter that GSP has fought, and Machida has fought several grapplers (GSP's standup is non existant nowadays)
Based upon GSP's last fight against Hardy, his grappling could use some help as well. As far as being a dominant fighter, GSP fights at a very good level I think. Machida's stand up is his strong point...that is why he was able to beat the fighters you mentioned. In any event, for an exciting headliner, this one would be a good match up in my opinion. Whether or not it will ever happen is quite a different story but the fans will be waiting for this one.
uh oh! Tito got arrested! You know hes in the doghouse! :O
http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2010/04/27/tito-ortiz-jenna-jameson-engage-said-said-battle-following-domestic-dispute/?test=faces

It makes wonder what Dana might do. You know his style guys he's straight up and doesn't take crap.

It is funny but someone just told me about this. I have not kept up with recent UFC news but we will have to see how this plays out. I will take your quote Walt and say "wonder what Dana might [actually] do."

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Since the rematch is coming up, and I had missed it when it originally aired, I finally had a chance to watch the original fight between Machida and Shogun. I really can't understand what was going through those judges minds. I would have had it 49-46 Shogun. Shogun clearly won the first round and 3-5. I would maybe give Macida round 2. I really don't think a lot of people would have been argued against a 50-45 score for Shogun. But I think 49-46 should have been the score. I can't for the life of me see Machida having won 3 rounds of that fight

[ZeroRyoko1974]

UFC 113 from Montreal Canada
Alan Belcher tapout over Patrick Cote- Belcher face planted Cote with a big slam and then secured the choke for the win. USA 1 Canada 0
Matt Mitrione TKO over Kimbo Slice- Mitrione chops down Slice like a big tree with leg kicks and then ground and pount for the win
Jeremy Stephens split decision over Sam Stout- close fight could have gone either way. USA 2 Canada 0
Joe Dirt tapout over Tom Sellecks mustache- from the undercard, added to fill out the time. Pretty good match with Sellecks mustache almost winning KO in first, but gassed and was eventually choked out in the 2nd. USA 2 Canada 1
Josh Koscheck UD over Paul Daley- Koscheck used 3 rounds of lay and pray and an academy award winning crying session when a knee almost hit him on the ground. What a ***** Daley landed a nice hook after the fight. Awesome, I loved it.
Shogun Rua TKO over Lyota Machida- Machida gets KTFO by Shogun. No judges to steal his victory this time
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[waltsoph3]

Ha ha. Kimbo got fired! GOOD! He didn't deserve to be in the UFC to begin with.
I swear he got more red carpet treatment chances then anyone else on the ultimate fighter
to begin with.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

He looked pretty bad against Mitrione. I don't know how good meathead can be, but anything that Slice did to him, he just kept smiling and moving forward. After about the first half round, Slice was clearly gassed, and a few leg kicks had him stumbling about. I think he should go to Japan, they won't care if he can win or not, they will just like him because he is huge. Maybe he can fight Bob Sapp. Daley aparently got fired to. Dana White said he would "never fight again in the UFC, ever"

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Since the rematch is coming up, and I had missed it when it originally aired, I finally had a chance to watch the original fight between Machida and Shogun. I really can't understand what was going through those judges minds. I would have had it 49-46 Shogun. Shogun clearly won the first round and 3-5. I would maybe give Macida round 2. I really don't think a lot of people would have been argued against a 50-45 score for Shogun. But I think 49-46 should have been the score. I can't for the life of me see Machida having won 3 rounds of that fight
I always liked Machida's style but he did not seem to give it his all in the first match against Shogun. My respect for him as a fighter is still there. But that is why they say never leave it in the hands of the judges.
Ha ha. Kimbo got fired! GOOD! He didn't deserve to be in the UFC to begin with.
I swear he got more red carpet treatment chances then anyone else on the ultimate fighter
to begin with.
Kimbo can scrap with best of them but he needs to develop better technique and work more on his cardio.
He looked pretty bad against Mitrione. I don't know how good meathead can be, but anything that Slice did to him, he just kept smiling and moving forward. After about the first half round, Slice was clearly gassed, and a few leg kicks had him stumbling about. I think he should go to Japan, they won't care if he can win or not, they will just like him because he is huge. Maybe he can fight Bob Sapp. Daley aparently got fired to. Dana White said he would "never fight again in the UFC, ever"
I missed the punch from Daley....will have to watch it in a replay. But the punishment is appropriate. Without good sportsmanship and respect, it seems that some people are destined to be sore losers.

Mitrione sure has matured as a fighter since TUF.

For most of the fights, the outcome I predicted was wrong. However, it was more enjoyable than the previous. And the main event was something I was excited about. Props to Shogun for being the better and hungrier fighter that day as well. Maybe a loss like this is what Machida needs to get back to the top. It worked for George St. Pierre.

I cannot wait for the Rampage - Evans fight.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

I don't think it was about sportmanship or any of that with Dana White, he just didn't like it happening on his show. Nate Diaz got in a brawl after the fight, but it was a Strikeforce event, probably got a bonus from Dana lol. Gilbert Yvel has previously punched out a ref, eye gouged an opponent, and bit another, and he was rehired by UFC.

[animefan88]

I hope Rashad whoops Rampage's a$$ at the next UFC.

Rampage really needs a slice of humble pie.

[Levon]

I want Rampage to win, but you know there's a curse. *looks at Cung Le* :unsure:

I always liked Machida's style but he did not seem to give it his all in the first match against Shogun. My respect for him as a fighter is still there. But that is why they say never leave it in the hands of the judges.

Machida style is sorta similar to Chuck Liddell which Shogun also knocked out. Both Machida & Liddell have an unorthodox stance where they evade attacks & then counter. Shogun seemed to figure them out and not play into their game.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

For whatever reason, Dana did what he did. I would like to think sportsmanship was a key factor but he still is a businessman.

Both Rashad and Rampage did some good trash talking when they were head coaches. Sometimes, I cannot understand Rampage but it is all entertaining nonetheless. This should be a great fight.

Shogun's strong Muay Thai background worked well in the first match against Machida's karate style. A lot of people say (and Joe Rogan has always comments about it) the Dragon has an unorthodox fighting style but his stance some consider orthodox. Techniques like his switch kicks in previous fights really rocked some of his opponents. I did not see any of that fire in neither the first match against Shogun nor the rematch.

This is not meant to take anything away from Rua as he decisively earned the victory. His ferocity from the decision loss was most likely a great motivation in addition to his strong striking skills.

Chuck's extensive striking background and wrestling seemed not a match in their encounter. His style may include some evading but Machida uses that move more in fights against guys like Ortiz and Sokoudjou.

I tip my hat to Shogun.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

I think it was kind of like when Thiago Silva fought Keith Jardine. Jardine drops his right hand when he kicks. machida kind of did a similer thing (at least that is what Rua mentioned in a post fight interview).

[Kizoku Keenan]

looking forward to rampage and rashad but I think I'm most excited to see diego sanchez back in action. I can't bloody stand michael bisping, theres a guy I work with who looks like an out of shape pansy version of bisping, can't stand him either lol

[waltsoph3]

I don't know if any of you are keeping track with this season's ultimate fighter. So far I'm not really impressed with some of the fighters. :( I just don't see the fire I see from some of the past seasons. I hope the remainder of the season turns out better because I swear its putting me to sleep.

Now if there was any fight I wish I could afford to see coming up is Rampage vs Rashad. Thank god this fight is gonna happen! :D The trash talking is coming to a close.
But man if Rampage losses this one..you know its gonna crush his ego.

[Kizoku Keenan]

I don't know if any of you are keeping track with this season's ultimate fighter. So far I'm not really impressed with some of the fighters. :( I just don't see the fire I see from some of the past seasons. I hope the remainder of the season turns out better because I swear its putting me to sleep.

Now if there was any fight I wish I could afford to see coming up is Rampage vs Rashad. Thank god this fight is gonna happen! :D The trash talking is coming to a close.
But man if Rampage losses this one..you know its gonna crush his ego.

This seasons UF hasn't been terrible but it hasn't been great either, also keeping my fingers crossed that the fights pick up. I'm also fed up of hearing tito shout ELBOW ELBOW EBLOW, DROP THE ELBOW every damn fight ugh he sucks.

[waltsoph3]

This seasons UF hasn't been terrible but it hasn't been great either, also keeping my fingers crossed that the fights pick up. I'm also fed up of hearing tito shout ELBOW ELBOW EBLOW, DROP THE ELBOW every damn fight ugh he sucks.

Yeah I can understand what you mean there. This season Tito's score isn't as good as it was when he did the show against Ken. I do hope the fights get better.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Don't forget, whenever one of his fighters gets taken down... UP UP UP UP UP UP UP....

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

looking forward to rampage and rashad but I think I'm most excited to see diego sanchez back in action. I can't bloody stand michael bisping, theres a guy I work with who looks like an out of shape pansy version of bisping, can't stand him either lol
It will be nice to see "Nightmare" fight again.
The fight next weekend will be a big one for this year...based largely upon all the trashtalk.
Yeah I can understand what you mean there. This season Tito's score isn't as good as it was when he did the show against Ken. I do hope the fights get better.
This season started out really good. The preliminary fights to get into the house were full of more action than in most other UFC events. Then things started to taper off and there seems to some type of new development every week. But it is somewhat funny when they blow something out of proportion and make it seem like it was a big deal; I refer the the few words that Chuck had for Dana a few episodes back. It was billed as something that strained their relationship and it was nothing more than words from a pissed of Chuck who made Dana laugh. From the previews, it looked like it was something more serious. Anything to get us to keep watching...some of us will keep up regardless.

[Levon]

There's no crazies, where's the Junie Brownie or Chris Leben's? :P Was hoping Yager would be it but no luck so far, but there's still time :devil:

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Well there is Nick "oh no you didn" Ring (is he gay or just Canadian, we don't know). It's Georges vs Georges. GSP vs 250lb hockey player Georges Laraque in a friendly grapping contest. As expected, the much larger hockey player get's schooled
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[ZeroRyoko1974]

Best shot so far in this season's TUF was an illegal soccer kick. it was straight up Chute Box style lol. Oh and Tito pulled out saying he has to have neck surgery.
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[ZeroRyoko1974]

John Hathaway UD over Diego Sanchez- Hathaway really picked him apart the entire fight.
Lil Nog Split Dec over Jason Brilz- probably could have gone the other way. Brilz really controlled most of the fight.
Mike Russow KO over Todd Duffee- Remember how Rocky used to let guys punch themselves out by getting punched in the face? Well that is what happened here. Duffee punched himself out by repeatadly punching Russow in the face, before a spectacular one punch (literally one punch knocked him out cold) KO from Russow
Melvin Guillard TKO Waylon Lowe- What more guys should do to wrestlers when they shoot for a double leg. Crumple them with a knee in the chest.
Michael Bisping UD over Jim Miller- Jim Miller had said that Bisping had never faced a wrestler/BJJ fighter like him. Well he still hasn't. Miller attempted like 2 takedowns the whole fight and got picked apart on the feet.
Rashad Evans UD over Rampage- Evans uses a modified lay and pray called the lean and pray in combination with his monkey dance to win a decision.

[waltsoph3]

Ooo Suger Rashad won huh!? :D Sweet!

I know Rampage isn't happy.

[Levon]

Rashad's stance was one of the weirdest :P ...but it worked. Rampage complains about ring rust after the fight & even said "I wish I didn't do that damn movie". He did seem very lackluster, he just didn't seem engaged in fighting with the rage he is known for besides that brief moment where he hit Rashad hard in the 3rd round and almost stopped the fight.
They will definably fight again.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

I think he has already started in with his mouth about a rematch. He should really be quiet and let his skills do the talking.

[animefan88]

Rampage can maybe shut the F*** up now.

Thank you Rashad :bow:

[ZechsMerquise1]

Rashad's stance was one of the weirdest :P ...but it worked. Rampage complains about ring rust after the fight & even said "I wish I didn't do that damn movie". He did seem very lackluster, he just didn't seem engaged in fighting with the rage he is known for besides that brief moment where he hit Rashad hard in the 3rd round and almost stopped the fight.
They will definably fight again.

Everyone thought Rampage would take advantage of that hard hit and end the fight :P

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Rashad's stance was one of the weirdest :P ...but it worked. Rampage complains about ring rust after the fight & even said "I wish I didn't do that damn movie". He did seem very lackluster, he just didn't seem engaged in fighting with the rage he is known for besides that brief moment where he hit Rashad hard in the 3rd round and almost stopped the fight.
They will definably fight again.

After all the smack talk, neither fighter was very impressive in my opinion. Rashad had a better game plan and it looked as if Rampage was not sure of what to do. He could have very well ended the fight near the end had he kept up the pace instead of stopping.

Jackson was a beast when he was fighting in PRIDE. I would like to think age is not a factor as he is still a force to be reckoned with. Rashad has good skills and has good movement. The thing that I notice with a lot of fighters in larger weight classes is that instead of MMA, the fight usually turns into a 15 minute wrestling match or one fighter waiting for that one punch KO which still to this day makes me sit up straight (most memorably was the punch from Henderson that K'dTFO of Bisping).

It makes me sad that most of the headline fights that I have watched recently really were not worth the price of admission. And this is one that I was looking forward to.

The trash talk was the most epic thing (if you can even say that) that defines their encounter.

Best shot so far in this season's TUF was an illegal soccer kick. it was straight up Chute Box style lol. Oh and Tito pulled out saying he has to have neck surgery.
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I like how the other side tried to play it off and say it was a shot to the chest...even after Tavares' head bounced off the floor like a basketball.

Tito was supposed to have made an official statement regarding his departure of this season and his future with the UFC. I did not get a chance to see this interview yet.

I think he has already started in with his mouth about a rematch. He should really be quiet and let his skills do the talking.

Rampage is no doubt a tough dude. He really did not show any energy until the last round. It is the trash talking that makes things interesting nowadays being that fights have degraded into something less than entertaining. Yet I still continue to watch and hope for a redeeming quality in the near future.

[waltsoph3]

Well Ace vs the Iceman appears to be a very very interesting situation considering what got them to this point.

Speaking of the Ultimate Fighter what do you guy's think of the finalist that will be duking it
out on the 19th? I think Chuck's guy is gonna pull it off. This hasn't been the most impressive season but the first fight they had on Wednesday's show was quite the show.

Also Mark the hammer vs Jardin on the finale is gonna be a very interesting contest! I can't wait!

[Kizoku Keenan]

Yeah I want court to win, seems like a nice guy, more well rounded, can take a punch and can certainly give many back, loved how he finished the fight with a choke even though he could have knocked him out, Chris isn't great just lucky I think, court is going to destroy him.

Chuck versus Franklin will be a good fight, its not a card with many HUGE names if you know what I mean but I find cards like that always surprise you and end up being just fantastic, roll on saturday.

[waltsoph3]

Still I think the Iceman has a new respect for Franklin just to step up with little time to help train Ortiz's fighter.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Carlos Conduit TKO over Rory Mcdonald- occured with like 5 seconds in the third, and Mcdonald had won the first two rounds. Got completely owned in the third
Ben Rothwell UD over Gilbert Yvel- two big lugs pound on each other for 3 rounds. Rothwell wins decision with superior ground work
Martin Kampmann UD over Paulo Thiago- Kampann really dominated on both ground and on feet
Mirko CroCop submission via RNC over Patrick Berry- Berry may rival Houston Alexander in the lack of a ground game dept.
Rich Franklin by KTFO over Chuck Liddell- Franklin wins with KO despite getting his arm broken early. Good night Chuck, time to hang it up
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[Kizoku Keenan]

Great great UFC PPV, Loved CroCcop's fight and Mcdonalds fight that kid has a super bright future, yes he lost but damn he was owning most of the fight and got owned due to just his age/lack of experience I guess.
Was great seeing cropcop and barry smiling and laughing and even hugging a few times during their fight and crocop was very impressive just like the crocop of old.
Chuck got KO'd but I don't think its the last of the Iceman he was clearly winning that round and even broke Ace's arm I think the punch ace got in was just lucky as he even said he was just swinging wildly to try and keep chuck at bay unfortunetly due to ringrust chuck ate one badly.
The rest of the ppv matches were decent kampman owned and rothwell dominated boringly on the ground, still a very very good UFC PPV!

Roll on UFC116 or as I like to call it... UFCBROCKGETSKNOCKEDTHE****OUT116

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Ringrust sure, but everyone is knocking out Chuck now. He has a super weak chin. Maybe he sticks around for that rematch with Ortiz, but he is no contender. he has gotten knocked out by Shogun, Rampage, Evans, and Franklin. Guess he needs to fight Machida, Little Nog, and Forrest to round out his getting knocked out by all 205 contenders.

[Levon]

Chuck has only had 1 win in the past 3 years.

[Kizoku Keenan]

yeah poor chuck I sort of feel sorry for him but as Joe Rogan would say JMMA is fastly evolving and its getting harder for the older guys to keep up with the younger guys

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

This headline fight was nothing too spectacular. The fight I was most excited to see was CroCop and Barry. Two great KO kickers. It was a good match up I believe and congratulations to Mirko for the victory. Barry has a good future ahead of him still in the UFC.

Regardless of Lidell's record, it surprised me that he got knocked out. Looking back at that first round, he was really over extending and super committed to his crosses right at the end. Not that it matters now but had he toned it down a bit he probably could have taken advantage of Franklin's arm in the later rounds. Both fighters looked great and Chuck was moving very well and throwing those damaging kicks.

I would like to see what he decides to do now that he has another loss on his record.

[Kizoku Keenan]

Court McGee is the man

[waltsoph3]

Court McGee is the man

Oh heck yeah! :D I knew he could do it. With more training hes gonna be a bright star in the UFC.


Speaking of last night...

My man Matt won! :D Oh yeah! The one thing that truly inspires me about him is not only is the fact of his perseverance to not allow his deaf condition stop him from his dream..hes also humble. He went the distance with Keith(how many can say they've do that) and even though he win he gave props to Keith and also admitted to himself and to everyone he wasn't satisfied with his performance and plans to train even harder. Still its a huge win for Matt. With the right training and game plan Matt can finally earn what he really wants and thats to be one of the best MMA fighters.

As for as Eager goes..lol YES! Thank you! Someone defently put him
back on Earth. Hes a great talented fighter but he has many vulnerabilities.
For one he needs to improve on his gas tank. Thats what also killed him in the show.

Still great Finale! I can't wait for season 12 with GSP and Coscheck! I can't wait. :)

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

I unfortunately missed most of it but got to see some of the good fights. It was not surprising to hear that Yager could not go the distance. He has got skills but he likes to talk a lot.

Matt Hamil v Keith Jardine was an interesting match. The blood actually made Jardine look better but I digress. Good fighting overall and it was a needed victory as Matt got smashed (although he did win the match) by "Bones" Jones and his 12 to 6 elbow a while back.

The match to determine the next Ultimate Fighter was actually a good fight and it was good that Chuck was there to support his fighter even after the loss.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

This just in.... Fedor loses to Werdum via armbar/triangle choke. Fedor had knocked Werdum down, but inexplicably went into Werdum's guard and got locked into a combination armbar/triangle choke that only someone of Werdum's caliber (black BJJ, 2 time Abu Dabi submission grappling champ) can do to you
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[ZeroRyoko1974]

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[Levon]

Yeah I couldn't believe that, Fedor was far too careless but I guess that happens when you never lose.

[Kizoku Keenan]

so shane carwin to beat brock the **** at ufc 116?

[chrono'shield]

Depends if Brock is stupid and tries to trade blows with him. Most likely he will do what he always does and take him to the ground and use his freakish strength to keep him there and hulk smash.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Yeah, if Carwin can't keep it on the feet, I don't know who can resist Lesner's takedowns

[waltsoph3]

so shane carwin to beat brock the **** at ufc 116?

I'm honestly concerned with Brock's health going in to this fight. In one interview he did not to long ago he kept avoiding and sidestepping the question. Now if he was coming back from a broken hand or something like that I know he would be able to recover and fight again. However the fact he went in for surgery for something at the time considered as a carrier ender at his age is something to really look out for. If he loses this fight he might just hang up the gloves for good if its too much of a risk factor.

I truly hope his injury has fully healed. I wish Brock the best of luck with this weekends fight.

[chrono'shield]

Carwin I got 1 word for you Cardio! Brock showed he can take a hell of a beating kudos for surviving 1st round 's curbstombing and winning by....submission, lol. Brock by submission, wow i never thought i'd ever say that.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Yeah, that was bizzaro world Lesner winning by submission.

[chrono'shield]

That submission was beastly for guy Brock's size, with another year or two of training he will be an absolute monster.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

rest of the main card
Wow, great card from top to bottom
George Snuffleupakis def Kurt Pellegrino unamous dec
Stephan Bonner def Sozynski KO 2nd- absolute war, Bonner fought like his career was on the line
Chris Lyttle def Matt Brown submission. a mounted triangle and armbar
Chris Leban def Sexyama submission 4:40 RD3 (he was losing fight)
Brock Lesner def Shane Carwin submission rd 2. Yes, you read that right. Lesner took a beating in rd 1, and was within seconds of losing, but survived, and was able to take down, mount and move to an arm triangle choke over a gassed Carwin for the win

[Reidar]

Ugh, how cliche is it for the first-round knockout artist to lose because he gets gassed when going into unprecedented rounds? Wish Carwin had remembered Ali-Foreman and focused on his conditioning.

Brock is great, by the way, so that's nothing to his discredit.

[Carhill22]

Watched the last two fights.. I was very surprised Brock made it out of the first round.. but I'm glad the ref didn't stop the fight, he was defending himself and prevented a lot of damage..

the Leban fight was a lot of fun too, but I was rooting for the other guy..

not bad since I got to watch the whole thing for free at my buddy's house...

[waltsoph3]

So Lesner did it huh?! :D Wow this truly has been a week a miracles in my book. lol
Thats awesome news to hear! Woot! :) Great to see Bock back on top and to win by a submission?! :O ..well :shifty: Bock has been known to make a person submit. After all this is the guy that put a halt to Hulk Hogans WWE comeback carrier with a bear hug. lol

[chrono'shield]

Ugh, how cliche is it for the first-round knockout artist to lose because he gets gassed when going into unprecedented rounds? Wish Carwin had remembered Ali-Foreman and focused on his conditioning.

Brock is great, by the way, so that's nothing to his discredit.

Carwin is big guy and puts a lot of explosive energy into whatever he does. His style isn't built on 2-3 rounds its about destroying people asap.It almost worked and would have worked on just about anybody else in the heavyweight division. Brock is just built like a tank. Those 265 Ibs guys just can't put that kinda energy into more then 1 round without burning themselves out.

[Levon]

Epic night! One of the best UFC's. But I thought Chris Lytle should've got submission of the night.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/415325-ufc-116-results-chris-lytle-makes-his-case-for-submission-of-the-night

[Reidar]

Carwin is big guy and puts a lot of explosive energy into whatever he does. His style isn't built on 2-3 rounds its about destroying people asap.It almost worked and would have worked on just about anybody else in the heavyweight division. Brock is just built like a tank. Those 265 Ibs guys just can't put that kinda energy into more then 1 round without burning themselves out.

That's an excuse for big guys to have poor conditioning. I weighed 250 at 6'0 and I had great cardio. Just because bigger muscles have greater O2 requirements doesn't mean you should rest on your laurels and bank on a single round as your strategy.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Epic night! One of the best UFC's. But I thought Chris Lytle should've got submission of the night.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/415325-ufc-116-results-chris-lytle-makes-his-case-for-submission-of-the-night

This is definitely one of the better UFC events I have witnessed in the past few months. That dual submission is very rare these days in the UFC but it is effective when no one expects it.

This entire event was worth the price of admission with just about every fight being exciting.


Carwin is big guy and puts a lot of explosive energy into whatever he does. His style isn't built on 2-3 rounds its about destroying people asap.It almost worked and would have worked on just about anybody else in the heavyweight division. Brock is just built like a tank. Those 265 Ibs guys just can't put that kinda energy into more then 1 round without burning themselves out.

Carwin did something that no one else did...brought Lesnar down, had him covering up and was delivering the ground and pound. If only he was smart about it and did not exert himself right then and there.

That's an excuse for big guys to have poor conditioning. I weighed 250 at 6'0 and I had great cardio. Just because bigger muscles have greater O2 requirements doesn't mean you should rest on your laurels and bank on a single round as your strategy.

I would have thought that Carwin would have anticipated something like that happening in this particular match up. His KO power is still a force to be reckoned with and may have got him a bit complacent. Just as GSP was enlightened by Serra, no doubt Carwin derived a great lesson from his defeat. A loss may do him some good and will not take anything away.

This just in.... Fedor loses to Werdum via armbar/triangle choke. Fedor had knocked Werdum down, but inexplicably went into Werdum's guard and got locked into a combination armbar/triangle choke that only someone of Werdum's caliber (black BJJ, 2 time Abu Dabi submission grappling champ) can do to you
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Yes, that was inexplicable. Fedor's strength lies in his strikes and I do not know what possessed him to fall into the guard of a jiu jitsu expert like Werdum. It was a very good position for Werdum as he had his choice of either cinching the armbar or going for a leg triangle. Of course, once he reached up, pulled his foot down and locked the ankle behind the knee it was clear what his intentions were.

Yeah, that was bizzaro world Lesner winning by submission.

It was unexpected as all hell. Brock is very athletic but he usually uses his wrestling background and massive weight to pin take down and then drop those punches (the rematch with Mir comes to mind) or just likes to stand and bang. A nice submission (I have a personal affinity for that move) but uncharacteristic based upon his previous UFC matches. Where I usually find heavyweight matches drawn out and somewhat boring, this one raised the bar a lot.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Do we have any predictions for this weekend's PPV event?

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Sonnen is going to get KTFO. I really think that Silva is going to embarrass him. I think JDS is going to KTFO Nelson as well. Nelson has been getting big (lol pun?) on sub standard opponents lately. Last striker of JDS's ability that Nelson faced was Arlovski, and he got KO'd. I think Hughes is going to get tapped out. He really needs to retire. Fitch vs Alves could go either way. Fitch beat him before, but Alves was able to beat Koscheck who is a better wrestler then Fitch. If Fitch wins, expect it to be 3 rounds lf lay and pray.

[Kizoku Keenan]

Silva will own Sonnen although would personally love to see silva loose but this is just like the fitch and alves fight if sonnen wins it will be 5 rounds of lay and pray. I think Junior will KO Nelson but this is the ufc anything can happen its a very even fight but yeah Junior ftw. Hughes will either get tapped out or TKO'd. Not sure if the clay guida fight will be on the main card (hope it is) but he will get ko'd as much as I love the guy, he just isn't that great.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

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[Kizoku Keenan]

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I havent seen the press thing yet, but I think chael just isn't giving silva the respect of a proper stare down, obviously "the internet" are making it out that he is scared just by that one pic, how silly! roll on ufc 117 =)

Just watched the conference and yup I'm right chael wasn't scared or anything, just confident, funny as hell and also serious as hell, bring it on.

[Levon]

Not sure if the clay guida fight will be on the main card (hope it is) but he will get ko'd as much as I love the guy, he just isn't that great.

:huh: Huh? Clay Guida has never been knocked out, he has only lost to decisions & submissions. The guy is a machine, he can take a ton of beating and still keep going. His opponent is Rafael dos Anjos who isn't a knockout artist but a submission artist so if Clay Guida is gonna lose its gonna be by submission.

[Kizoku Keenan]

:huh: Huh? Clay Guida has never been knocked out, he has only lost to decisions & submissions. The guy is a machine, he can take a ton of beating and still keep going. His opponent is Rafael dos Anjos who isn't a knockout artist but a submission artist so if Clay Guida is gonna lose its gonna be by submission.

SNAP you are so right not a big follower of dos anjos but ok yeah he is going to tap out for sure then.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

OMG WTF was that? Silva was done, 2 min from losing his title. Sonnen was doing everything he said he was going to, and just like that, Silva slips in the triangle choke and it is tap tap tap city for Sonnen. Other matches:

JDS dec over Roy punching bag Nelson- Give Nelson credit, he took some abuse from JDS for 3 solid rounds and couldn't be put away. But wow, did JDS put on a clinic of striking
Matt the gracie killer Hughes submission over Ricardo Ameda- Hughes has now taken out Royce Gracie, Renzo Gracie, Renzo students Matt Serra and Almeda.
Clay Guida def Rafael Dos Anjos- tapout due to a broken jaw
Jon Fitch dec Thiago Silva- Guess eating bbq and ballooning up to 210 a week prior to a big fight not such a great idea. Silva looked tired, weak, and Fitch did what Fitch does and lay on him for as much possible in 3rds for a victory.

[lordakuna]

Now do you think we will get 2 c the fight every1 wants...? GSP n Silva? I hope so. Silva has been highkneen the crap out of the bums in his weight class since '06

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Supposedly Silva is done for the year. Silva probably has a couple of more fights at 185, against Vitor Belfor and a rematch with Sonnen. GSP is locked into fighting Koscheck, and then probably Fitch (although nobody really wants to watch that fight) or more then likely Shields. So, I would say that Silva vs GSP is probably at least a year out. If Shogun comes back from injury and beats Rashad, I wouldn't mind seeing Shogun vs Silva.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Noguera is out for UFC 119 in his rematch with Mir. Cro Cop is fighting in his place on short notice. I think this is a better fight, as Cro Cop should have the takedown defense to stay standing with Mir, and hopefully knock his head off

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Wow, what a mess Strikeforce is. Seems like everytime they get behind a guy, it blows up in their face. Get behind Henderson, he gets pwned by Shields. Get behind Kimbo, he gets KTFO by a former UFC guy. In Houston, King Mo (LHW Champ), Bobby Lashley, and Tim Kennedy (MW Champ) all lost. Also, add to the mess, that there was no drug testing at the event, blatant illegal strikes missed by refs and once again Strikeforce comes out looking like bafoons

[DazarGaidin]

How did i not know about this thread? Funny it takes the forum getting deleted to notice it :P Altho i guess its just ryoko talking to himself :P

Did you see these really cool videos yet? (http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/videos-amazing-mma-facts-must-see-all-fans-1322435/)



I gotta admit, i loved watching chael brutalize silva after the maia debacle. I thought he was just a loud mouth but he basically did exactly what he said he would (except win obviously). Shame he gassed out at the end and got caught.

Noguera is out for UFC 119 in his rematch with Mir. Cro Cop is fighting in his place on short notice. I think this is a better fight, as Cro Cop should have the takedown defense to stay standing with Mir, and hopefully knock his head off

I think that is a way more interesting fight, especially if cro cop gets motivated. Man lately he just seems like he didn't care, tho i liked him mixing it up last fight. At least we know him and Mir wont be makin out in the octagon like him and barry. Wtf was that all about? :lol:

[DazarGaidin]

Please randy, dont get caught by this guy. Never wanna see this again :lol:

http://a323.yahoofs.com/ymg/ept_sports_mma_experts__23/ept_sports_mma_experts-406684033-1282964675.jpg?ymDDhrDD0AorU.Xw

weighed in at 237....

[Wayfarer]

Toney has a puncher's chance and not much more. He looks like he's been at KFC and BK for too long (he mentioned BK after a boxing match as well). Very good boxer at middle/super-middle, but god only knows why he bulked up to heavy.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

UFC 118
Nate Diaz arm triangle Marcus Davis 3rd round. Davis eye was swelled badly since round one, but hung in there, but really got out worked on the feet by Diaz.
Gray Maynard UD Kenny Florian Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz huh oh it's over.
Damian Maia UD Mario Miranda Maia made black belt (Not so) Super Mario look like Carmen Miranda. Complete control by Maia
Randy Coutoure submission arm triangle James Toney. It took Coutoure all of 15 sec to take down Toney. Followed by about 3 min of Coutoure beating him up before getting him to tap to the arm triangle. Is the arm triangle the new guillotine choke? Everybody does it now.
Frankie Edgar UD BJ Penn Edgar joins GSP as only guys to beat BJ twice. Complete control by Edgar on the feet, and on the ground. Took him down multiple times, GNP. BJ got a couple of takedowns, but did nothing on the ground. He looked exactly the same as his fight at Aubu Dabi

[Kizoku Keenan]

crap ufc ppv the only good highlight was obviously toney getting beat up and choked out, there wasn't even any ko'S ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzz!!!!

[Wayfarer]

Toney is just a joke; headlining a big event in his first MMA match after shooting his mouth off, and then turning up like a fat tub of lard with a non-existent ground game and being humiliated. Where's his pride?

[Hisoka]

James Toney has no business doing MMA. He's over the hill and has been out of shape for a few years now. He was a great boxer in his day and his defense was so nice to watch. But it's come time to hang it up.

[Wayfarer]

James Toney has no business doing MMA. He's over the hill and has been out of shape for a few years now. He was a great boxer in his day and his defense was so nice to watch. But it's come time to hang it up.
From what I know, he's never been a big puncher either, so was less likely to deliver a Ray Mercer type KO. He should have retired a long time ago and would have no business in boxing now were it not for the fact that the heavyweight division is in such a shambles. Is he short of cash or something??

I do like his recent interviews though.

[Hisoka]

He's not going to be knocking out many heavyweights since he's not a legit heavyweight himself. He started out around middleweight and went up the divisions the more of shape he became. He still looked decent as a cruiserweight a few years back though.

Is he short of cash or something??
Hard to tell if it's that or just the inability to leave the spotlight.

[Levon]

crap ufc ppv the only good highlight was obviously toney getting beat up and choked out, there wasn't even any ko'S ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzz!!!!

Hm, the other way around for me. I thought all the fights were great except for that silly fight that Toney wanted. It wasn't really a fight, Toney didn't do a single thing to put up a fight.

The Diaz fight was my favorite of the night. It got fight of the night which it deserved.

[DazarGaidin]

I'm thinking he got some serious financial backing to go in here and beat up on some mma guys. At the very least he was sponsored by K-mart, probably the biggest single fighter sponsorship in MMA yet.

Yeah, it was insane how fast randy beat him. But that guy was a tool anyway, you can tell he didn't even care to train, he thought he would just waltz in there and ko someone.

Man, i kinda had BJ winning the first fight, but edgar definitely won this one. He didn't just dance around, he owned penn everywhere. BJ looked like he was about to cry. I think he might have had a chance if he took edgar down from the start, cause i think all edgar has on the ground is explosiveness, which would wear edgar out eventually, even with his gas tank (you seen a diminished energy level right after he got back to his feet the few times penn did take him down). He mighta thought of this had his cornermen been giving him advice instead of suckin his..well..you get the idea.

I was disappointed in kenny. He knew maynard was gonna lay on him, he shoulda been practicing sweeps and triangles instead of worrying about omoplatas...

My fav fight was Joe Lauzon fight. He is such an amazing fighter early on...a lot of good fighters he fought can weather the storm till he gasses out but it is nice to see it actually pay off for him once in a while. He looked like he was in better shape anyway, i think he might have not gassed even if it went longer, he lost some of that muscle he was needlessly packing (and kept enough strength, what was it 2 slams?).

[FARIQABDUL]

my 2 cents: i want to see the korean zombie jun chan-sung fight again, I totally :wub: that guy, after seeing the leonard garcia fight, and he's fighting george roop at the end of september, another guy that got robbed against garcia. also, i hope koschek instigates stuff on the ultimate fighter show this year. that show needs some good drama, and it seems like koschek doesn't mind playing a heel.

[DazarGaidin]

You know he will, koscheck loves being the bad guy. Pierre is obviously gonna be put up as the 'good guy' to his villainy.

I got GSP by murder though. Their skillsets are almost the same, with GSP being better at all of them.

I think it was a mistake to keep the zombie on the back burn that long. They shoulda thrown him in right away when he had the hype train behind him going strong. I hope he wins his next fight, cause that was some highway robbery in the garcia fight.

[Levon]

GSP will win unless he gets clipped. As amazing of a fighter GSP is I think his one weakness is his chin and Koscheck hits harder than him. So as long as he avoids a slug fest like usually I think he'll win.

[DazarGaidin]

I don't think gsp has a weak chin (he might but i dont see any reason yet to believe that). Serra hits hard and caught him in a good spot (even in fights where matt won by sub, he knocked them down there..). That's the only time GSP has been knocked out, ever. BJ turned his face into mush and it didn't ko him. I don't know how one KO can equal insta-glass jaw.

GSP has excellent, unorthodox standup. Against punchers like hardy he hasn't had to use it, but against kos i suspect you will see it again. But who knows, i think gsp could out wrestle him if he wanted.

[Levon]

Well BJ isn't really a strong knockout fighter against a big welterweight like GSP. Koscheck can knock out welterweights, however GSP is so fast & skilled that he avoids such hits.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

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[FARIQABDUL]

yeah, GSP outwrestled JK last time, and it looked against Hardy like he's getting better at subs - he had good armbar and kimuras, but Hardy didn't tap and he let them go instead of tearing them up, he might not against JK though

[ZeroRyoko1974]

So will Koz come up with a new phantom move, like maybe phantom groin shot or something.

[Levon]

That would be epic :lol:

[DazarGaidin]

That dude who wouldnt shake Lauzon's hand was mad cause he gave him a cake that said sorry for your loss at the weigh ins and then got DESTROYED :lol:

That was an awesome sweep by edgar. Cobra kai is proud :lol:

I think GSP is so under scrutiny for the greasing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvk5kp7sRHw) he did that he isn't gonna do anything remotely illegal, so kos gonna have to pull out his emmy this time :lol:

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Chael Sonnen was on MMALive recently and when asked about the rematch with Silva, said he destroyed the myth in the first fight and will destroy the man in the rematch :lol:

[DazarGaidin]

Good old sonnen (R), back to smack talking :lol: I have him winning the next one if he works on his sub defense. But it will be a harder win, anderson won't be sleeping his skills this time.

[DazarGaidin]

Nooo! Why chael, i wanted to see the rematch! Caught using performance enhancing drugs (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/CSAC-Sonnen-Positive-for-PEDs-at-UFC-117-26978) (altho they haven't said what exactly). If it is HGH or roids and not some sorta cold medicine that triggered the test, i cant imagine why he would be that stupid. He was already 50 times stronger than silva, he manhandled nate (who ironically was suspended for the same thing).

Lets not whitewash it, probably 70% of mma fighters are using or have used them in the past, its just a matter of who is good at cycling them. But man, its pretty stupid if you ask me.

Im sure he'd find a way, but this kinda negates one of his greatest selling points for the ufc, trash talking. It is hard to talk smack when anything you do can just be tossed aside because of a failed drug test.

[Levon]

Will be even more interesting when they rematch without Chael being the Increditable Hulk. ;)

[DazarGaidin]

I dunno, hell probably be much the same. He passed recent fights before this one and was a beast. He also has a year to adjust. :\

[FARIQABDUL]

I don't know if I want to see Sonnen fight any more :( and especially he doesn't deserve a Silva rematch now if this is true because it would mean his performance was mostly a fraud. I give him a 1 year ban for juicing, and 1 more year ban for losing while all juiced up, because if you're going to cheat and you still lose, :lol:

[DazarGaidin]

It happens a lot *coughstephanbonnarcough* It is pretty sad if you cheat and still lose :lol:

[Reidar]

Pic (http://www.imagebam.com/image/6b429099183523) of Cro Cop's eye injury. It looks worse than I expected.

[DazarGaidin]

damn thats rough...did the guy poke him or try to stab his eyes out? :lol:

[Wayfarer]

Lets not whitewash it, probably 70% of mma fighters are using or have used them in the past, its just a matter of who is good at cycling them. But man, its pretty stupid if you ask me.
James Toney was tested positive for steroids about 5 yrs ago in boxing, but that didn't stop him headlining a UFC event recently. I'm guessing they'll give Sonnen a 1 yr ban or something and try and play it down as much as possible, before giving him a chance to build up his career again when this drug episode starts to fade a bit from the public consciousness.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

UFC 119
Guillard over Stephens split decision (probably should have gone the other way, WTF 30-27 by one judge and 29-28 28-29 the other two). Greg jackson system, the art of winning decisions by not fighting or fighting as little as possible
Sean Sherk over Evan Dunham split dec (should have gone the other way). Sherk opened up a nasty cut in the first round, but really got outworked on the feet the final 2 rounds. I guess he won by lean and pray "octagon control"
Chris Lyttle UD over Matt Serra- I went to a fight between two bjj black belts, and a boxing match broke out. Lyttle wins this easy.
Ryan Bader UD Noguera- I don't understand judges scoring. If you score one take down, and your opponent blocks like 10, shouldn't that count for like 10 takedowns for your opponent? Meh doesn't matter. Bader wins an unexciting bout.
Mir ko Cro Cop zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz huh, it's over, what happened, what did I miss. Oh, a knee to the face. Rogan said at one point the fight was like a sparring match, neither really giving it their all. Even the finish was kind of uncomitted sorta falling back grabbing cro cop and pulling him into it. Really a terrible card. next card is going to suck as well. Good thing it is free on Spike. Here is how the fight went down. Mir comes up bobing and weaving occasionally throwing punches. Cro Cop pushes him away, also occasionally throwing punches and whiffing on kicks. Mir would use lean and pray against fence. Cro Cop would get underhooks and hold until ref brook it up. Repeat for 2 1/2 rounds until Mir manages ko
Some other Rogan quotes on the main event
"there must be a silent agreement to keep the aggression to a minimum."

"the good thing is there are only 2 minutes left."

"if I was at home right now, I'd be gettin a bag of potato chips."

[DazarGaidin]

That main event was just awful! I was falling asleep. What the heck happened to the old terminator cro cop, stalking his prey? At one point, they literally stopped against the cage and had a conversation and i think maybe even make out a little. WTF. And I don't know what was wrong with Mir, maybe afraid of losing and falling further back in the pack?

Another quote (before the almost accidental ko):

"So who won in this fight?"
"I don't know. Wasn't the fans that's for sure."

No doubt there.

I think it made the other decent-but-not-amazing fights of the night look worse just by association with that crappy main event. The sherk fight was pretty good, and that rolling guillotine in the prelims was awesome.

Melvin shouldn't have won that fight, he just ran away and danced around. He didn't land or do near the damage the other guy did, and 30-27 are you freaking nuts?? Are the judges listening to joe rogan thru an ear piece? I know he was all on melvins sack that whole fight but come on, please watch the fight with your eyes open. I think some of these judges are coming from boxing where dancing around, looking good, and showboating = winning impressively.

Bader vs Lil Nog, this was a close fight but with the take downs, i give it to Bader. Like it or not, takedowns are scored, stuffing take downs are not. You stuff a take down your reward is not having major points scored against you and being in a bad position. Checking a kick or blocking a punch shouldn't give you points either, and doesn't as far as i know. Bader showed he needs to work on his gas tank more though....faced with someone with a hard head he cant ktfo with a clean shot, he sorta fell into a duffee situation.

[FARIQABDUL]

WEC tonight on Versus
Jose Aldo - Manny Gamburyan
Donald Cerrone - Jamie Varner
Miguel Torres - Charlie Valencia
Leonard Garcia - Mark Hominick
Korean Zombie Chan Sung Jung :wub: - George Roop
http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/5415/zombieg.jpg (http://img841.imageshack.us/i/zombieg.jpg/)

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Didn't see the fights, but here are the results. Jose Aldo for #1 P4P anybody? anybody? Bueler...Bueler... Should the WEC have a superfight and have Aldo fight Benson Henderson at 155?

7 Mark Hominick Leonard Garcia Decision (Split) 3 5:00
8 George Roop Chan Sung Jung KO (Head Kick) 2 1:30
9 Miguel Torres Charlie Valencia Submission (Rear-Naked Choke) 2 2:25
10 Donald Cerrone Jamie Varner Decision (Unanimous) 3 5:00
11 Jose Aldo Manny Gamburyan KO (Punches) 2 1:32

[FARIQABDUL]

dang, chan sung jung ate one of the biggest perfect head kicks i've ever seen, like a pride crocop badass kick, and he went to sleep -_- KO, and i was wearing my korean zombie tshirt too :mad: oh well i'm still a fan.

hominick won with just a solid jab (yawn), while garcia was swinging wildly as usual
torres had like 5 inches on valencia, who couldn't get inside, got knocked down, and rear naked choked prettily easily
the bad blood cerrone varner fight was fun, cowboy was explosive and aggressive, and varner was on his heels. now they're going to do round 3 in arizona, since colorado was cerrone's home.
aldo looked pretty flawless, manny had nothing for him, got clipped with a left, ducked for a takedown attempt, ate a big uppercut, went face down and turtled up and ate a bunch of brutal jackhammers before they stopped it

[DazarGaidin]

Havent seen it yet, but man, it sucks the korean zombie lost. Its gonna slow his hype train :( Which sucks cause i think he is awesome.

Who didn't see manny losing that one? :lol:

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

I tried to watch the replay but decided to go out to a club instead. It makes me sad that the Korean Zombie lost.

WEC matches for the most part are very exciting.

I was disappointed with UFC 119 as a whole.
Was Matt Serra trying a different fight strategy? He should have just tried to fight. It would have made things more exciting.

Mirko was the man in his PRIDE days. Nothing will take that away. The way that fight ended reminded me of how Franklin knocked out Liddell...he got the hit right there at the end.

[DazarGaidin]

I guess this goes here..anyway..

Watched that strike force. Man i hate Nick Diaz. I hate people who say 'no disrespect' and then immediately disrespect the guy on tv. He barely, BARELY won a close decision that i feel he shouldn't have (way less punches landed, or damage), then proceeds to talk about being able to beat the guy in boxing, or wrestling or anywhere. wth? Someone needs to crush that pothead, but i doubt it is going to happen in the small leagues.

THat said, fail haircut is fail. That dude almost got KTFO in round 1 because he was fixing his friggin hair every 2 seconds. If i was his manager i woulda grabbed the tape scissors and handled that. Come here pretty boy...

The chick fight was pretty good, that was a slick armbar even if you knew she was going to go for it. I guess the champ thought she could slam her way out of all of em. Got her **** snapped instead. There was some nice exchanges on the feet, the woman are starting to look like the lightweight men, good hand speed. Those thai knees looked painful. Hmm do women wear cups too? :lol:

[ZeroRyoko1974]

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Alexander Gustafsson submission Cyrille Diabate- rnc giving the Sweed the victory over the Frenchie
Cheick Kongo draw Travis Browne- I think that the judges gave Konge the 3rd round so it would be a draw. Neither guy really deserved a win
Mike Pyle UD John Hathaway- pretty one sided fight. Pyle had him in a nice mounted triangle and just punching him a bunch in the 2nd, but Hathaway survives to lose the decision
Carlos Condit KO Dan Hardy- see pic above. The highly overrated Hardy KTFO in front aof a home crowd. Well since, Hardy's last fight was against GSP, I guess this means that Condit should be in line for a title fight :lol:
Michael Bisping UD Yoshihiro Akiyama- typical Bisping fight. poke poke run poke poke run. Win UD

[DazarGaidin]

Its sexiyama's fault, he should know by now that you absolutely have to put bisping away especailly in front of a home town crowd. He shoulda took a page from dan and hamill, you pressure bisping until he makes a mistake. If you let him turn it into a sparring session hes gonna treat you like a heavy bag. You need to flip that switch in bisping head that says "Oh ****, this isn't the wolf's lair, this guy is gonna kill me."

[ZeroRyoko1974]

GSP's team is really making Koschecks team look silly. Koz number one fighter got choked out in like 15 seconds
http://i52.tinypic.com/259v7tw.jpg
And a 2nd fight ended up mostly the same
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Kos reaction is priceless
http://i53.tinypic.com/htxk46.jpg

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Well come on was anyone expecting the Japnaese guy to win come on, he got to walk out with this wimpy classical music and he had to bow and stuff , but then Britain comes out and it starts blasting hard rock music and I'm all WOW WONDER WHO IS GOING TO WIN THIS ONE?????

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Sexyama is more interested in looking pretty then fighting intelligently.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

UFC 121
Brendan Schaub UD Gabriel Gonzaga- I think Gonzaga has been cursed since he knocked out Cro Cop. He forgot he has a black belt in BJJ
Matt Hammil UD Tito Ortiz- wonder what Ortiz excuse will be this time. Cracked skull, hurt back, Matt was his friend, soft head. Anyway, Ortiz started out ok, but as the fight went on, Hammil found his range and easily picked apart Ortiz on the feet, and took him down for some GnP
Diego Sanchez UD Paulo Thiago 29-29 twice, and 30-26 (had to be Cecil Peoples). Diego appears to be back. Good fight.
Jakezzzzzzzzzzzzz huh, oh it's over. 30-27 29-28 28-29 for an unempressive win for pillow fisted Shields. 170 lbs is aparently the we don't finish anybody division.
Cain Valasquez TKO Brock Lesner- about one minute into the first round. It seems the patient, methodical Brock Lesner didn't show up, and we got bull rush dong and dash Lesner. Cain beat him pretty bloody before the ref stopped it.

[Smith]

Hamill FTW

[ZeroRyoko1974]

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[Thousand Eyes]

I recently got back into checking out Tito Ortiz, and I'm wondering...what the hell happened to him? Where's all that aggression and arrogance this guy had? He's fallen down so far now with like three consecutive losses. Hammil took him out rather easily. Ortiz barely got any offence on him.

Cain Velasquez is definitely the guy to look out for. I couldn't believe it back when he defeated Nogueira. But, considering how much endurance/stamina this guy has, it's incredible. I was pretty excited when he dazed Lesnar that badly. Even more, it was crazy when he landed those ending blows to a bloodied Lesnar. He made the Champion look like an amateur. Wow.

[DazarGaidin]

Man, he brutallized brock. I was expecting him to get the win but not treat him like a 280 pound toy. Wow. Lesnar face looked like hamburger meat after the fight. He got an extra mouth on his cheek :O

Jake Shields looked awful, the guy he fought was way too intimidated by him. Could have won easily. He could have had 10 chokes, but he was using a grip more for head control rather than choking. If he would have changed the grip and cranked it woulda been his win for sure. He was too scared of shields and believed everyone who told him 'you can't submit shields!'

Ortiz used the ring rust excuse and his surgeries this time. Umm...when is the rust gonna come off? :lol: Just face it, he is washed up and just trying to score paydays. He coulda won that on the feet no problem if he threw like he did against chuck. Hamill looked like he always does in there, gassed out and flailing like a sloppy gorilla (sorry but it needs to be said). What was with that psuedo thai hand positioning he did every now and then? Its like he was too lazy to put his hands up so tried to play it off like he was doing a traditional thai stance. He looked way better once they hit the mat, he needs to get it there faster. I will give tito props for not getting upset at matt's late hits after the bell, most opponents have been forgiving for the most part. I'm surprised tho.

Also, the 30-26 was with the 1 point deduction (29-28 on the other cards) for the blatant shot to back of diego's head, but even then there is no way diego won the first :lol: Peoples is so blind :lol:

Gonzaga coulda submitted that guy easy, he almost fell into a RNC at the very end, if gabe had tried at some earlier point in the fight. He really has bad Gurgel syndrome.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Cain on the George Lopez show eating a peanut butter sandwich with milk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oB8tNpVDNo

[Haruhi]

Cain FTW. So glad Lesnar was dethroned.

[waltsoph3]

Matt Hammil UD Tito Ortiz
:O WHAO!! Oh man thats pretty heavy stuff man. Way to go Matt! Looks like the student has mastered the teacher.

Man speaking of passing the Torch its a stunner to learn Brock lost the title. But hey it was only a matter of time. I wonder if hes gonna try to go for the title again sometime.

[Reidar]

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