Dragoons vs fin funnels

[mylegs]

which one would win? doesnt matter about pilot.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Fin Fannels

[mylegs]

why fin funnels

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I like Classic Gundam the best.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

Well, after browsing mahq.net for a while, I have come to the conclusion that in the UC timeline there are two main types of satellite weaponry, Bits and Funnels. The main difference is that Bits move independently of the MS or Mobile Armour and have their own reactors for power. Funnels were powered by an "energy cap" like the original Gundam's beam rifle. They could however be recharged. Usually you need to be a Newtype to use either of these weapons.

The Elmeth from 0079 was the first to utilise Bits and they were incredibly effective. They were virtually undetectable and the Elmeth didn't have to be anywhere near it's targets. The only downside was the incredible cost and strain they put on the pilot.

I have to presume that they proved either too difficult to produce or too difficult to use since Haman Kahn's mech the Qubeley used Funnels rather than Bits which had a much more limited range than the original Bits -- mostly because they were connected by wire to the mech. In the hands of a strong Newtype and in small engagements or one-on-one fights they were still a formidable weapon but they couldn't be used to snipe from outside of sensor range like the Elmeth's bits.

The ν Gundam's Fin Funnels worked like the old Bit system but with one major advantage. They could be used to create a beam barrier to block weapon fire.

I've not seen Seed so all I know of the Dragoons is that, after much time and research, anyone could use them. I don't believe they had any kind of shield mode and I don't quite understand the weapons they used...

So it seems that, in absolute terms, the ν Gundam's Fin Funnels are the best of the lot. However they require a Newtype pilot to utilise them. Which in real terms would give the Dragoons an advantage. Although since the protagonist is almost always special in some way I don't think it matters. :lol:

Unfortunately, unlike every other weapon, mahq.net doesn't list the power output for satellite weaponry.

Edit: Didn't Gundam Wing have some sort of satellite weapon?

[Bernard_Monsha]

Edit: Didn't Gundam Wing have some sort of satellite weapon?

I think one of the non gundam units had flying force feild things. It was a good design like all the non gundam mecha in that series.

[mylegs]

I didnt even consider bits. oh and Dragoons do have a barrier system. the only gundam in seed that has them with the barrier system is the "ORB-01 Akatsuki" which is piloted by Mwu la flaga (there is nothing special about him just a vetran soldier). I would say the barrier is much better than Amuro's Nu Gundam. It is big enough to fit a ship in and it reflects all weapons. Amuro's might last longer tho and im not sure if there is a special ability to his barrier.

here is the video showing the barrier from seed:
watch it at 3:15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rdeoi3DgGwA&feature=related


Dragoons seem to also have the same downfall as fin funnels. both need to be in a certain range of the gundam. Another thing that the dragoons have over fin funnels is that "ZGMF-X13A Providence Gundam" has 11 dragoons. But even tho it has 11 dragoons there 43 beams out of them. so this mean dragoons can carry more than just one beam weapon. Not sure what the beam output is.

The only other gundam series to use satilite weapons that I know of is G gundam. In that series Neo France's Rose Gundam uses "Rose Bits"

overall it seem like Bits are the best (because they have no range) then dragoons then fin funnels (unless fin funnels have a special ability im not hearing)

note- I never watched any UC so i know alot about dragoons but not much about fin funnels or bits

[Tonyx35]

Edit: Didn't Gundam Wing have some sort of satellite weapon?

I think you meant to say Gundam X
GX-9900 Gundam X satellite cannon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXsh6bMd4J4

[KatayokuのTenshi]

I think one of the non gundam units had flying force feild things. It was a good design like all the non gundam mecha in that series.

Yeah, I thought that one of them could also fire lasers from them, although I could be getting things confused.

I would say the barrier is much better than Amuro's Nu Gundam. It is big enough to fit a ship in and it reflects all weapons. Amuro's might last longer tho and im not sure if there is a special ability to his barrier.

The ν Gundam's barrier is only for personal defence but blocks all weapons fire. I imagine that a purely physical weapon like a Heat Hawk would be unaffected. It might work on the same principle as the I-Field... But I don't entirely know what that is. :lol:

Dragoons seem to also have the same downfall as fin funnels. both need to be in a certain range of the gundam. overall it seem like Bits are the best (because they have no range) then dragoons then fin funnels (unless fin funnels have a special ability im not hearing)

The ν Gundam's Fin Funnels are actually Bits not Funnels (despite the name). They aren't physically connected to mech (unlike the Quebely and I assume the Sazabi (although it's been a long time since I saw CCA)) and they are powered by their own Fusion generators.

Fin Funnels are an improvement over the Elmeth's bits (at least according to mahq) I assume that is in every way, including range. However Amuro never takes advantage of this since he only uses them in one-on-one fights.

I don't know about the quantum communication system that is used to control the Dragoons but I imagine that the Psycommu and the Psycoframe are more powerful since they also allowed Amuro to deflect Axis.

note- I never watched any UC so i know alot about dragoons but not much about fin funnels or bits

Well then I'm sure we'll be able to figure out something between the two of us. :lol: All I know of Seed I learnt from Super Robot Wars W and Z. (Basically that boils down to "those suits look a lot like Zakus", "Mwu is kinda awesome" and "Rau Le Creuset is A CHAR")

I think you meant to say Gundam X
GX-9900 Gundam X satellite cannon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XXsh6bMd4J4

By satellite weapon I meant a weapon that was not connected to the mobile suit rather than one that actually used earth orbiting satellites. I seem to remember that was what the called them in Zeta Gundam. Perhaps it would be better to call them remote weapons?

I was thinking of the Mercurius (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-13msx2.htm) and the Virgo (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-02md.htm) both of which could generate an energy field barrier similar to the ν Gundam's beam barrier but larger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PSKN0X57r0&fmt=18

Gundam Evolve, Nu Gundam v Alpha Azieru (this is totally different from the way it went in the original) Amuro uses the beam barrier but he uses it restrain Quess. It seems that the Gundam Evolve version at least is entirely impenetrable. It also quite neatly demonstrates the difference between Funnels and Fin Funnels.

[Tonyx35]

By satellite weapon I meant a weapon that was not connected to the mobile suit rather than one that actually used earth orbiting satellites. I seem to remember that was what the called them in Zeta Gundam. Perhaps it would be better to call them remote weapons?

I was thinking of the Mercurius (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-13msx2.htm) and the Virgo (http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/w/oz-02md.htm) both of which could generate an energy field barrier similar to the ν Gundam's beam barrier but larger.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PSKN0X57r0&fmt=18

Gundam Evolve, Nu Gundam v Alpha Azieru (this is totally different from the way it went in the original) Amuro uses the beam barrier but he uses it restrain Quess. It seems that the Gundam Evolve version at least is entirely impenetrable. It also quite neatly demonstrates the difference between Funnels and Fin Funnels.

My mistake-_-;. By the way, is Gundam Evolve finished and out in the States yet?

[Soluzar]

Doesnt matter about pilot.
I don't think you can ever say this... I'd argue that the pilot matters far more than the minimal differences between fin funnels and dragooons. They are so similar, it's basically the same underlying idea.

[adadqgg]

I think one of the non gundam units had flying force feild things. It was a good design like all the non gundam mecha in that series.

Akatsuki from Orb?

Yeah, its Dragoon system also forms shields.

[CrossboneGundam]

Fannerus. Not fin fannerus, Qubeley's fannerus.

Also SEED is a ripoff of the original, etc.etc.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

Akatsuki from Orb?
Edit: Didn't Gundam Wing have some sort of satellite weapon?

Fannerus.

...Ok?

Not fin fannerus, Qubeley's fannerus.

Why would you chose the one that can objectively be said to be the worst of the lot?

[ryucross]

Dragoons because they shoot more green crap and come from a super robot show.

[Jeorceinnon]

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[j_wong00]

Just some clarification:

Funnels are not phsyically connected to the mech. They are remotely controlled by the pilot of the originating MS. The only remote weapons that was tethered to the mech, I believe was one of the non-newtype mechs in ZZ.

The barrier that the nu Gundam created is an actual shield (like a precurssor to the beam shields in V gundam).
An I-field on the other hand, is a shield, BUT only blocks beam weapons.
The Nu Gundam barrier blocks everything, but like any shield, can be overwhelmed (which happans when it got blasted by the Alpha Azieru).

[Bernard_Monsha]

Just some clarification:

Funnels are not phsyically connected to the mech. They are remotely controlled by the pilot of the originating MS. The only remote weapons that was tethered to the mech, I believe was one of the non-newtype mechs in ZZ.


Glad to see you are still alive and kicking man! I think the Braw Bro from MSG has wire connected funnel things.