Japanese rape games under fire (Was: "Japan bans the manufacturing of rape games")

[Ken-Ohki]

Bowing to US pressure the Japanese government has now banned the manufacturing or sale of rape games. Article in Japanese:
http://news.tbs.co.jp/newseye/tbs_newseye4143799.html

Thought I should pass on the news to the Hentai section.

[tenshi_a]

^ Is there an English translation of that article?

(Personally, I think this is a good thing because I consider rape the opposite of erotic, and there's rape in almost every ero game I've ever seen)

[waltsoph3]

I couldn't read this article but if it is true..ARE YOU KIDDING ME!?

Look i'm not a guy who likes nor enjoys seeing woman raped in hentai or hearing stories about it in real life.

BUT for the hentai story at times its THERE FOR REASON!! To sell the story! Otherwise it becomes bland.

Lets see now that mens if i'm right..you cant have forced sex scenes now, you cant have BLACKMAIL, uhm..does this also meen no more seeing hot ladies in leather outfits whipping a guy(i knw thats S&M but some do see that as rape) You know bad guy stuff!!

OMG theres rape so lets ban it! Sesh its just fiction but come on you can only do some other kind of sex scenes soo many times before your bored.

Well even if this is at least for now for the video games only(if confermed)..does this meen it may soon hit hentai hard right in the pants as well!?

Look again i'm not into rape but again i'm just trying defend creativity for a story. Thats all.

[cris]

Lol, this is going to make a huger dent in the bishojyo game industry, which is already in a bad situation as it is. There goes more companies going down the hole and more merging with anime production so they can release something

[Ken-Ohki]

^ Is there an English translation of that article?

(Personally, I think this is a good thing because I consider rape the opposite of erotic, and there's rape in almost every ero game I've ever seen)

Best I can do for you at the moment

http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnews.tbs.co.jp%2Fnewseye% 2Ftbs_newseye4143799.html&sl=ja&tl=en&history_state0=

Some people are talking about how this will likely affect 60% of games in Japan and many games will be unable to be released in the month of June. Any elements of non consensual sex will have to be eliminated. This will likely effect adult animation as well since shows like Bible Black were based on games which contained scenes of rape.

[Snoozer41]

This will likely effect adult animation as well since shows like Bible Black were based on games which contained scenes of rape.

Good. We have enough hentai titles based on games with themes of rape and blackmail as it is. I'm not saying every hentai series with rape is automatically bad since I do enjoy a handful of them like Bible Black and the like, but if this means there will be a decreased presence of such things in future, then I'm all for it.

[waltsoph3]

I gotta say i'm heartbreaked over this news. I don't own any of these kind of games but gezz..WHY do you think some americians choose hentai!? Because it has things some people here i'm sorry to say this..just don't have the balls to do it!

This will have serious consequences!
But for right now this is just for games the way i'm reading it..heck it almost sounded like the story isn't from japan itself but in the UK baning a certain title. Witch i can defently understand.

Heres something else ok and this is my main gripe..are we kids..or are we FREEKING ADULTS here!? Nobody is forcing people to choose this kind of style to watch and enjoy.You do have varity!

Mark my words if this goes through it won't be just hentai stories effected but all of anime stories and manga stories in general! Heaven forbid we gotta watch out for the kids! But COME ON this is fiction! FAKE! And targeted for adults! Enough is enough of this!

[l0k1]

This is a sad day

[waltsoph3]

Well..sigh..maybee in a ways and i'm only saying this as a faint gleam of light...maybee the US well be able to snatch some of these artist and be able to make em here. But i can only take a guess here. After all it is opertunity to some.

[taily]

Bowing to US pressure the Japanese government has now banned the manufacturing or sale of rape games. Article in Japanese:
http://news.tbs.co.jp/newseye/tbs_newseye4143799.html

Thought I should pass on the news to the Hentai section.

Thank god.

Sorry to all those sickos out there.

[Snoozer41]

Heres something else ok and this is my main gripe..are we kids..or are we FREEKING ADULTS here!? Nobody is forcing people to choose this kind of style to watch and enjoy.You do have varity!

You bring up a really good point. To ban content made for Adults and not kids is pretty idiotic. But are they baning it because they are afraid kids will get a hold of such games or are they banning it because they feel its too demeaning towards women?

On one hand I agree its not hurting anybody and its merely fictional content targeted solely towards adults. But on the other hand I could certainly understand how some women might feel such material is too misogynistic. I mean, I doubt there are a whole bunch of games out there where you can play as a woman who can rape and blackmail men. Its not so wrong to think such games are too popular and prevalent to just ignore.

I don't know about this. You could make a good case for both sides. :unsure:

[tenshi_a]

Look i'm not a guy who likes nor enjoys seeing woman raped in hentai or hearing stories about it in real life.

BUT for the hentai story at times its THERE FOR REASON!! To sell the story! Otherwise it becomes bland.

Objection! There is a clear contradiction in the statement!

-_-;

You come along and spout all these things off but you really have no idea, have you? You said yourself you haven't played any ero games.

It's not like rape is the exception to the rule, spicing things up, it's that it's present in almost every title, so much that it's gone past being a distasteful one-off in a small percentage of games, to being a boring cliché!

It's about time the writers came up with some new scenarios!

[superplough]

IMO this is good, however all the sickos both in Japan and in the rest of the world will probabl gripe about it forever.

[waltsoph3]

ok tenshi_a your overruled! :P And..heres why. I do own a 1 H-game. And that game is Brave Soul. Great game btw and it doesn't have rape(well except for the thief Ruby getting caught in a monster trap but the hero quickly frees her). But defently great gameplay and storyline and i do mean that, not just the h content it had balance and replay ability imho .

Look guys your right i don't know about all these H game titles out there but think about it for a sec..does that matter? Its a fictional game someone can play in the privacy of there own home. Its a choice.

Lets just for a second here take into the concept of Rape. To me rape doesnt exactly have a predetermined target no matter where it is.

Now tenshi_a brought up the point of..if every game or whatever else of veiwing had the same thing it gets boring cliché. I agree with that. So in this case how long is it gonna be before other kinds of styles become..boring or offensive? I do like a little good blackmail every now and then in a story..it adds spice.

Alright how about i compare this to something WE ALL KNOW about! I'm talking about games released by Rockstar Games. Its funny...when one kind of game that sopossidly published by a different company has senseless violence and sex appeal in it.Its gets off unscathed and under the radar..yet when it comes to Rockstar its gets into all kinds of hell by all portions of the media and locals EXCEPT for the gaming news industry.
Now wheres the fairness in that?

People fear the unknown. There was a time i would have easly taken peoples sides when it came to ban all hentai and get rid of it..but that was before i actually took the chance to view it. Now theres defently some things i say ban from hentai..but rape isn't one of them. You sometimes need rape to make a story sell.

I also once had a fear of nudity and even the of consider drawing anything nude(didn't matter if it was sex..just drawing nude period). Yet it was a woman artist that helped me understand and realize i didn't have to fear it. And i'm glad now that i broke out of my fear. It truly helped improve my drawings.

People what i'm trying to talk about..is creativity!! There are certain shows that become masterpieces because they pushed the limits! Bible Black hentai OVA is one of them..some of you might not like it..but you must admit it got people talking.


Now rember..this is hentai, not anime. Both have controversies...but should we ban em all just to appease a certain majorities needs and wants!?
You take this out and it will destory the H-industry! Today is rape what will it be tommrow..gang bangs, lesbian scenes, forbbiding wearing S&M gear,no BJs because its offisive to woman? Should I go on describing scenes because certain people would easly find it degrading?

Seriously we keep this up and it will be like the world of Demilition Man with the speech Simon Phoenix says: " The year is 2032 thats 2 0 3 2 as in the 21st century. And i'm sorry to say that the world has become a ***** whipped braddy bunch version of itself. Runed by a bunch of robed sissys."

Bottom line is balance is important! We can't always "play it safe" in fiction.

[Hajime Saitou]

^ :lol:

Now then, unfortunately this news doesn't mean anything for people that play visual novels. Even with my limited ability to decipher moonspeak I could tell that that article doesn't have very much to do with the title of this thread or what's been discussed in it so far. The target in that article is 凌辱(Ryoujoku) games. It took me a while to figure that out since I'd never heard of them and it was hard enough trying to read anything. After looking around the internet for 10 seconds, it's obvious that these are an extreme fetish, so if these get banned, it won't have an impact on anything that anyone does here(I think...).

The government isn't involved either. The organization mentioned in the article is some kind of ethics organization that oversees the production of computer games in Japan, but only for the companies that are part of the group. Those companies would be the 200 mentioned in the article. I looked around to see who this organization was and it looks like there are a few similar ones, but as they're not mentioned in that article, there's nothing to say about them. You'd think they'll do the same.

They've stopped production and sale of those games, and on June 2 the organization mentioned in the article is going to review their "rules" and see if they need to change anything else(I think).

So all that article says is that some people in Japan are sweeping their crap under the rug as a precautionary measure because they're in the spotlight right now. In this case, "rape games" does not mean games with rape in them, so I wouldn't expect anything to change in visual novels that have a rape scene in them. Which is too bad because then it would be a piece of cake to avoid the ones that do, since any recent games would be clean. <_<

[Ken-Ohki]

Ahh, thank you Hajime. My Japanese is fairly limited so I'm unaware of the particulars.

[Hajime Saitou]

I'd still wait for someone else to come by and give a real translation, or look around the internet for one as something like this should easily get people's attention. I could still be wrong about the details but government involvement definitely wasn't mentioned anywhere.

[tenshi_a]

Seriously

You're warped, Waltsoph. Really warped.

You really think that rape equates to other consenting sexual activities? It doesn't.

It's not a case of "demeaning", or "offending sensibilities" it's about a million times bigger than that, and it's often portrayed as normal mainstream behaviour in these games. You get brutal rapes in otherwise vanilla titles, like it's an ordinary everyday thing. You even get non-consequential rapes where you'll see a rape scene and then everyone shrugs it off as a "well, I didn't expect that!", like it was a surprise party thrown for them instead of a hugely traumatic and painful experience. Such trivialisation is just foul.

[Nunsploitation]

Objection! It's not like rape is the exception to the rule, spicing things up, it's that it's present in almost every title, so much that it's gone past being a distasteful one-off in a small percentage of games, to being a boring cliché!

It's about time the writers came up with some new scenarios!

Let the marketplace make that determination, not the government, and certainly not a foreign government!

If the games are boring, then people will stop buying them and companies will stop making them. Simple as that. Obvioiusly, there's a demand for them from somewhere.

How would you like it if Saudi Arabia pressured the United States into cracking down on how much of a woman's skin gets shown in public? Or in banning public performances of music? Or public drinking? These things are illegal in some countries and go against some cultures.

Just because we're prissy about fictional depictions of uncomfortable sexual topics doesn't give the United States the right to impose American culture on other countries.

Your argument, that some good will come out of it, is moot. Some good might come out of banning bars or concerts in the United States, but that wouldn't make it any less wrong for another nation to pressure us into taking such action. Likewise, it's wrong for the United States to make a moral judgement on another culture and use political pressure to make them conform to American standards.

[waltsoph3]

I'd still wait for someone else to come by and give a real translation, or look around the internet for one as something like this should easily get people's attention. I could still be wrong about the details but government involvement definitely wasn't mentioned anywhere.

Yeah i think ill do that too and just wait. Its hard when a person doesn't have all the information.

You're warped, Waltsoph. Really warped.

You really think that rape equates to other consenting sexual activities? It doesn't.

It's not a case of "demeaning", or "offending sensibilities" it's about a million times bigger than that, and it's often portrayed as normal mainstream behaviour in these games. You even get non-consequential rapes where you'll see a rape scene and then everyone shrugs it off as a "well, I didn't expect that!", like it was a surprise party thrown for them instead of a hugely traumatic and painful experience. Such trivialisation is just foul.

:lol: Well lol you cant say i'm boring. I'll take warped over boring any day. lol

Anyways please understand just why i say what i do. Because again personaly i'm against rape of all kinds, yet i understand that sometimes a story may need it to improve the quality of the story and the characters involved.I hope that makes more sense.

Untill then guys with the story itself i'll just wait for more information.

[l0k1]

Because again personaly i'm against rape of all kinds, yet i understand that sometimes a story may need it to improve the quality of the story and the characters involved.

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[OpenMindX]

I never enjoyed rape in anime, but it is sickening to me over how this sense of righteous morality is spreading to many parts of the world. While I don't concur with anything that is forced onto someone without their consent, with rape being one of them, this is suggesting that the topic of rape should be held to a sacred pedestal just as those talks about banning the criticism of religion within the United Nations have suggested. This monopoly on what an artist may create and publish to the free market is quite honestly deplorable. It is merely a question of when the United States or another country will make Japan put up the flag of the authoritarian.

[tenshi_a]

If the games are boring, then people will stop buying them and companies will stop making them. Simple as that. Obvioiusly, there's a demand for them from somewhere.

From what I've read in the news, a lot of ero-game and visual novel making companies have been going bankrupt over the last few years. Even a few big names with hugely popular series of games. I haven't been paying really close attention to the details, though. I think most of the big titles get bought up by other companies, that kind of thing. Seems the market is in a bit of a decline, all the same.

These days, there are more and more cases where a pornographic game comes out, then shortly afterwards it goes cross-media into a (no sex scenes) anime and/or (no sex scenes) home console version.

I don't know because I don't have figures... it could be that anime is more popular if backed by a pornographic game, or it could be that anime is used to promote a pornographic game, or it could be that when it's decided that a story is strong enough and popular enough, it's a good idea to make non-pornographic versions in anime and on consoles to sell to the mainstream public.

All of this isn't strictly related to the rape issue, but I'm just saying that in a lot of cases, the companies who make these games are looking to non-pornographic versions to attract a bigger audience for their profit.

So maybe the day has already passed when the companies found out that the Japanese marketplace prefers to avoid "certain disagreeable content".

It could also be something to do with market oversaturation and the fact that erogames seem to mostly be old-tech games, stuff like that... eh, I'm rambling.

I don't think there is ever going to be a day where the ero-game market disappears, or everything goes plain vanilla, nor would I want there to be. I'm just speaking about trends I'm noticing.

I don't know much about the erogame industry, just little bits here and there. It fascinates me because it's not reported on very much in the English language videogame press.

[cris]

IMO this is good, however all the sickos both in Japan and in the rest of the world will probabl gripe about it forever.

I have a feeling, if anything, they are going to move the company to Taiwan and release it there.

[cris]

I'd still wait for someone else to come by and give a real translation, or look around the internet for one as something like this should easily get people's attention. I could still be wrong about the details but government involvement definitely wasn't mentioned anywhere.

Basically the article says as of next feburary (2010), the ISO won't grant evaluation for such items. I believe you can't get a barcode without ISO granting it and I think it's affiliated with government, meaning not government itself.

[loplop]

Maybe this will clarify the situation a little better . . . . from a another site I frequent

In responses to the recent media hysteria over “rape simulator” adult games, the main industry and ratings body in Japan has opted to completely ban the making and sale of titles featuring rape and sexual violence.

Estimates are that games affected could be “10-20%” of the market, meaning 20% of eroge could end up being banned, with themes such as BDSM and similar becoming completely off bounds.

The situation is not however as simple as it appears at first glance to the mass media, though perhaps this is intended.

The organisation issuing the ban, the “Ethics Organization of Computer Software” (EOCS, or Sofurin in Japanese), is the eroge industry’s largest classification body, with some 200 member companies, and is responsible for the ratings used on visual novels.

The character of the EOCS is demonstrated by the fact that it banned loli eroge a decade ago, which led to a complex and typically Japanese situation in which loli games continued to be released, but with references to ages and school years removed, similar to how brothels are technically illegal in Japan but in fact operate openly. A similar situation may be in the making for “rape” eroge.

However, EOCS membership is “voluntary” and it is a “self regulating” body rather than one with any particular legal powers beyond expelling members and refusing classification; there is a competing ratings body, the “Contents Soft Association“, which is much less stringent in its standards, largely allowing loli games, and it has no regulations against violence. Its membership will likely be getting a boost unless it follows suit.

This is not to say that the organisations are toothless and companies are free to do as they will; ratings are generally needed for sale, and the organisations themselves have connections to the relevant government ministries, effectively having government charters, which can of course be revoked if they displease the ministry.

Thus, they are in the power of the government to an uncertain extent, and their main purpose is to prevent disturbances to sales rather than to defend the free speech of members.

The move likely comes in response to recent calls by both feminist politicians (in response to criticism an American feminist group), both opposition (DPJ) and government (LDP), to ban the games lest they turn Japan into a nation of wicked child rapists like the USA or Canada, which incidentally strongly pursue laws against drawn and game pornography, whilst promoting the freedom of publishers to make games involving extreme violence.

Since the measures are likely easily circumventable, it appears the response may simply be a sop to politicians to show the industry as being responsible and is self-regulating, thus obviating the need for legislation. The worst case may involve publishing digitally or along the same lines as the entirely unregulated doujin soft market.

However, the spineless response so typical of such companies in Japan will do little to actually tackle the allegations levelled against it, and only serves to highlight how temptingly weak a target the industry makes to pro-censorship groups.

If anything, failing to object to demands for censorship serves as a tacit acknowledgement that there is something reprehensible about the games. Emphasis added

For an industry entirely dependent on freedom of expression to establish the precedent that it will roll over in the face of political demands (ones originating from overseas at that), and admit that its products are somehow tied to criminal behaviour, seems a remarkably risky thing to do; it may be in a difficult position to resist from should further demands for censorship be made of it…

[TougeSil80]

This is rediculous, and all of it because of one game, and Rapelay is a pretty tame game compared to something like Kangoku Senkan or BB. And why the hell did Illusion thought selling such a hardcore game outside of Japan was a good idea anyways. Maybe we'll have to start playing Korean games from now on?

[Leader Desslock]

Would it be out of place for me to point out that as repugnant as a "rape simulator" game might be in the US, any media depicting the graphic rape of an adult BY another adult would generally be considered protected speech in the US.

Sure, if you explicitly depict the rape of a minor, or if you make a rape/snuff film, that'd cross the line into other definitions of obscenity. But a graphic depiction of rape - that's not inherently obscene (see The Entity, or A Clockwork Orange) and is therefore expression protected by the First Amendment.

A Japanese group might be bowing to boycott threats by an American consumer organization or something, but by no means is this "the United States forcing American culture on other countries."

I suggest we find a translation of the article before overreacting, because it sounds like this is an article in which context and nuance is going to be important to an understanding of the issue.

[loplop]

I believe I read that it was importers, and not Illusion, that sold the game outside of Japan. Illusion never intended that the game to be sold outside of Japan. This will lead to many companies putting even tighter anti-non Japanese use measures into games.

[TougeSil80]

Thanks for the info. I thought it was Illusion that started this whole mess.

[Porco Rosso]

Haha, wow. It's simultaneously sickening, hilarious and pathetic that this was ever a genre to begin with. Good on them for banning it.

[grgspunk]

Wait a sec? Japan bans such games? Japan, as in the Japanese government?

Dude, this isn't like the mosaic law. It's the EOCS that banned rape, not the Japanese government--It's primarily a self-regulated software ratings board, similar to the ESRB or the Comics Code Authority. Get the wording right.

Geez, do you really think the guys over at 2ch will simply give up playing games with such content because one rating organization bans it? Chances are, any eroge company that wants to include rape content will most likely switch to the other ratings board--The aformentioned Contents Soft Association. As spineless as the companies may be, I highly doubt they can simply ignore the fact that games even with such content actually do sell.

And another thing: Can we actually get a working source link going here?

[ZeroRyoko1974]

This will work as well as their ban on loli

[Midoriko87]

What the...?!! They're looking to ban rape AND SEXUAL VIOLENCE?!! What's left, anime characters making love?! :uhh:

These truly are the End of Days.

[waltsoph3]

Dude, this isn't like the mosaic law. It's the EOCS that banned rape, not the Japanese government--It's primarily a self-regulated software ratings board, similar to the ESRB or the Comics Code Authority. Get the wording right.



YEAH!! Good analogy! Thats exactly what these bozos sound like to me too.

[TougeSil80]

But still, if ESRB refuse classification of a game, you can't sell it in store right?

[grgspunk]

http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/05/28/rape-games-not-really-banned-and-i-hate-tbs/

You idiots really need to confirm the goddamn sources provided in the articles you read, you know that?

Seriously, was I the ONLY PERSON to notice that the TBS link (the blog's news source), was broken?

[DocWatson]

http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/05/28/rape-games-not-really-banned-and-i-hate-tbs/

You idiots really need to confirm the goddamn sources provided in the articles you read, you know that?

Seriously, was I the ONLY PERSON to notice that the TBS link (the blog's news source), was broken?
No, I did, but I did not feel the need to report it—nor the need to insult people about it. Personal attacks are against the rules—stop.

[taily]

This is rediculous, and all of it because of one game, and Rapelay is a pretty tame game compared to something like Kangoku Senkan or BB. And why the hell did Illusion thought selling such a hardcore game outside of Japan was a good idea anyways. Maybe we'll have to start playing Korean games from now on?

Or maybe we should stop playing sadist twisted video games.

[TougeSil80]

Games like BB and Discipline wasn't too bad, but under this new regulation they would be banned, as they still contains violence towards women.

[loplop]

This appears to be a bunch of wishful thinking by certain groups . . . . from Sankaku Complex this morning . . .

The recent reports of an “eroge ban” in Japan appear by all accounts to have been (almost) entirely fabricated by the mass media, presumably a consequence of wishful thinking.

The previous version of events was that the industry group EOCS had opted to ban the manufacture and sale of “rape eroge”, which was portrayed as a complete ban, though it would only have affected members of that organisation.

This report was carried by major broadcaster TBS (above). However, no other news agencies carried the story (though there were many derivative reports), and a number anonymous commenters subsequently provided supposed insider details directly contradicting the story:

According to the EOCS:

1. They received some enquiries from TBS about Rapelay a little while ago.

2. They agreed to participate, but TBS broadcast its material edited in a way not agreed to.

3. Another request for information came.

4. Because of what happened earlier, they were refused.

5. Yesterday the broadcast came out of nowhere.

Detailed information is apparently due to be available on the 2nd of June.

In summary, it seems the EOCS is set to meet to discuss a ban or some restrictions, but no firm actions have been decided.

It should be said of course that no official word from the EOCS is yet forthcoming.

It seems possible that all this may actually work against those hoping for a ban, since the strong reaction against the supposed ban may illustrate to the EOCS the wisdom of resisting any depredations by censorship groups.

[HSaabedra]

This appears to be a bunch of wishful thinking by certain groups . . . . from Sankaku Complex this morning . . .

There's a lesson here about media distortion and blind reporting. I'd just as soon call for an ethics investigation into TBS's newsgathering/reporting practices as much as I'd call for bloggers to exercise more due diligence in reporting news from major Japanese outlets without independent confirmation.

Taiwan's DigiTimes and Korea's EETimes are also known for spinning wishful thinking into major news stories, having been hit a few times by their "reporting" on PhoneNews, reflecting a larger problem across Asia with news reporting and distortion.

[Ken-Ohki]

Well, an interesting development. Thanks for the update guys.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Thank god.



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[JuraBasilElden]

Bout time something was done bout that.

[waltsoph3]

http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/05/28/rape-games-not-really-banned-and-i-hate-tbs/

You idiots really need to confirm the goddamn sources provided in the articles you read, you know that?

Seriously, was I the ONLY PERSON to notice that the TBS link (the blog's news source), was broken?

Well this is deffently a new development for me. Nothing like a news group spiining somthing out of context. But then again that may have been there goal to begin with. :( Afterall you see it on US tv news today. Anything for ratings eh.

No, I did, but I did not feel the need to report it—nor the need to insult people about it. Personal attacks are against the rules—stop.

Speaking of that Doc can you please take care of this for me?


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This to me was uncalled and an act of trolling. I'm sorry if some people may disagree with my opinions but all i can just politly ask is can we please do it in a civil way and not this kind of stunt. Its just rude. Thank you again and sorry for the inconvenience.

[Trefellin]

I don't really have any interest in hentai but banning anything is damn ****ing stupid. I don't care if the product is violent, demeaning to women or extraordinarily deviant in any way. People don't have any right to tell people what they can and cannot play, read or watch. Where the **** will it stop? Besides, it's fiction and there has been rape in fiction since the invention of fiction. It's NOT real and hentai isn't going to turn a country into a sex crime state. There has been sick stuff published in Japan for how long and they have one of the lowest crime rates in the world. Whether people like it or not, there are emotionally disturbed individuals out there and I think that denying them an outlet to their desires in fantasy will make them more likely to act them out in reality.

Damned feminist liberals and religious conservatives should keep their filthy claws of others people's freedom of expression. <_<

[DocWatson]

Speaking of that Doc can you please take care of this for me?


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This to me was uncalled and an act of trolling. I'm sorry if some people may disagree with my opinions but all i can just politly ask is can we please do it in a civil way and not this kind of stunt. Its just rude. Thank you again and sorry for the inconvenience.
Right—done.

To all: please stop posting meme images. If you have an opinion, take the time to write it up.

[Purple Madness]

Hmm...
It's good they are banning it.

I mean, was rape ever a USP of an (hentai)anime?
Those who watch hentai often, I don't think too many of them actually look for rape in hentai...at least I hope they don't.

[Trefellin]

Why do you all think it is good to ban that?

[DocWatson]

Hmm...
It's good they are banning it.
Read the posts immediately above—they probably aren't.

I mean, was rape ever a USP of an (hentai)anime?
"USP" = "Unique Selling Point"? If so, sort-of yes. You can do things in animation that you can't in live action—or at least, much more easily and cheaply than live action/CGI.

Those who watch hentai often, I don't think too many of them actually look for rape in hentai...at least I hope they don't.
See my post in the "Is hentai getting too Extreme" thread (http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?p=6271258#post6271258). Anecdotally, note also the apparent popularity of Pixy's series, all of which but Ane Haramix feature large quantities of non-consensual sex.

[sazaemon]

quotes from canned dog: (http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/05/29/yomiuri-on-the-game-censorship-situation/)
Yomiuri has written a news article on the matter reporting that the Liberal Democratic Party (the ruling party) has formed a team to see what can be done about the current situation with all these games featuring sexual violence in distribution. Komeito had already formed a similar team mid-May, so they will probably start to seriously get into discussions with the ruling party about tightening regulations.

[waltsoph3]

Man amazing what happens in just a few days. To think..this all started from someones BLOG information. Seesh are we now using blog info as crediable sources of information for the news.

Man this makes me feel like its information you would find in one of those teen girl fashion magazines. I can see it now..
OMGosh if it like totally says this new trendy,blingy looking thing is cool..then its gotta be cool and right! I SOOOO got to go and like get this trendy,blingy,looking thing thats gonna make my parent's wallets bankrupt,but i don't care right now! :D

....<_< I know its probably asking much but can news groups please print out factual information instead of rumors and speculations. TBS needs to apologize but i doubt thats gonna happen.

I do have one gripe about H-games..if game makers are gonna have games like this..can they at least try to make the characters apperence look more adult then kid like. That miiight take just take a little heat off the table. How much i couldn't say but it would be a start.lol

[loplop]

I do have one gripe about H-games..if game makers are gonna have games like this..can they at least try to make the characters apperence look more adult then kid like. That miiight take just take a little heat off the table. How much i couldn't say but it would be a start.lol

It really depends on who designed the game. There are several companies that do just that. Unfortunately, Moe games sell in their intended marketplace more than those.

G.J?, Selen & Tinkerbell's games tend to run to older characters for the most part. A couple companies, such as StarRoseQuartz (a fairly new company) & CATTLEYA only do mature (Jukujo/Milf) character games .

[Leader Desslock]

....<_< I know its probably asking much but can news groups please print out factual information instead of rumors and speculations.
Given your penchant for parroting fearmongering propaganda, I'd say that you might want to make sure your own house is in order before tossing rocks at your neighbors, Chief. Just a thought.

[DocWatson]

....<_< I know its probably asking much but can news groups please print out factual information instead of rumors and speculations.
Given your penchant for parroting fearmongering propaganda, I'd say that you might want to make sure your own house is in order before tossing rocks at your neighbors, Chief. Just a thought.
Please watch the tone of your comments—the last four words are a touch excessive.

[waltsoph3]

Given your penchant for parroting fearmongering propaganda, I'd say that you might want to make sure your own house is in order before tossing rocks at your neighbors, Chief. Just a thought.

With all do respect..I sure wasn't the one throwing the rocks when it came to this story. You can thank the person that wrote the blog, that caused a TBS story to be written from that blog as a creditable source of information, to where someone else had to come back days later to correct what was published. Also funny thing is they deleted the blog that caused the whole throwing rocks in the first place.

Again like always anywhere on AN with my post..i'm just expressing my opinion. But some may not like it and thats ok.

Now to end it with my opinion. I'm defending creativity. We are talking about hentai or in this case H-games..you know stuff made for adults. Ofcourse its gonna have unpleasant situations. You get what you pay for and the only fearmongers around are those organizations that want to ban something thats fictional.

I may not like somethings..but creativity shouldn't be hindered just to appease to a certain group. That would be like banning Super Mario Bros. just because some fearmongers feel that King Koopa is an the ultimate evil influence that would cause and corrupt peoples minds. sigh....

Its ridiculous and sad. I dunno about some of you but i like old school super mario bros. and i think king koopa does just a fine job with his role. But then again..Wario makes for some steep competition. lol

[Leader Desslock]

With all do respect..I sure wasn't the one throwing the rocks when it came to this story.
I know, just all the other ones.

As I said, just a thought you might wish to bear in mind, lest ye be perceived as a hypocrite. On any number of other topics, you've been the one dishing out the uninformed, neither-based-in-fact-nor-critically-examined opinion.

Also - please read carefully enough to realize that I wasn't making a point against your opinion itself, so don't play the "some people might not like my opinion" card.

Now to end it with my opinion. I'm defending creativity. We are talking about hentai or in this case H-games..
Which are entirely unrelated to Super Mario Brothers, so the point of your post escapes me.

I really don't think that watching a plumber step on mushrooms is comparable to graphic depictions of rape, do you? I dunno, I see a difference of scale, if nothing else. :lol:

At any rate, my only point in this thread (whether the news story was real or not) was to point out to those folks who wanted to blame this news on American prudishness that by itself, the content in question would be considered protected speech. So blame it on whichever soccer mom brigade you want, but such censorship isn't American.

the last four words are a touch excessive
'Chief', perhaps. But 'Just a thought' - I'd call that in-bounds. Heck, VSh is forever telling me to 'think better', which is a sharper jab and nobody's ever taken offense.

[Tom Servo]

If I were in Rome I'd be watching people kill each other for fun. Hell, in dark age Britain I couldn't go put the washing out without tripping over a corpse or finding my livestock being molested, the screams of murder and rape victims would be my alarm clock - there is no Batman.

[Njr Scrawl]

Thank god.

Sorry to all those sickos out there.

Seconded. Glad I'm not alone in feeling that way.:ph34r:

[tenshi_a]

I may not like somethings..but creativity shouldn't be hindered just to appease to a certain group. That would be like banning Super Mario Bros. just because some fearmongers feel that King Koopa is an the ultimate evil influence that would cause and corrupt peoples minds. sigh....

Its ridiculous and sad. I dunno about some of you but i like old school super mario bros. and i think king koopa does just a fine job with his role. But then again..Wario makes for some steep competition. lol

You say if they banned violent rape simulation, Super Mario Bros would be threatened????? what version of the game were you playing?!?! I really don't remember those scenes in any Super Mario game! Ridiculous and sad, you said it! -_-;

Also, you're being really inconsistent; you say you hate censorship and want total freedom of expression, yet in the same breath you ask a moderator to censor the posts of people who react negatively to your views. Don't you see how much it weakens your standpoint?

[loplop]

Let's get back to the topic and quit personal attacks back and forth.

We'll just have to wait and see what the EOCS has to say in their Press Release on 2 June and take it from there . . . .

[Trefellin]

You say if they banned violent rape simulation, Super Mario Bros would be threatened?????


No, but there are thousands of games where you can kill or murder hordes of people. If you are going to ban violent rape simulation, you should ban violent murder simulation too...

Oh wait, Jack Thompson showed us how stupid that position is. Killing someone is arguably slightly worse than rape. Why would you allow one and not the other?

[tenshi_a]

I don't want to ban rape in all videogames, I just think that it would make things more interesting, varied and sexy if there weren't rape scenes in almost every game available.

And as for killing people in videogames...... well, in the vast majority of games it is just a game mechanic. The aim of most games is merely to defeat the opponents and in a lot of cases, it involves killing them.

Sometimes it's simple and you don't see any detail. Sometimes it's detailed. Sometimes it's over the top gory.

It's not usually as twisted or involved as scenes in these supposedly erotic games, though. There are very few games where the player is only killing people to live out a fantasy, every step described in minute detail, relishing the pain and suffering of the victim, making it seem as cruel and hurtful as possible. Nor are killings in regular games drawn out for several minutes for further pleasure of the player. Yet this is commonplace in the type of game we are discussing here.

Despite what Jack Thompson claimed, most videogames are not sadistic serial killer simulations. Especially not the ones he was concerned with. They don't normally invite the player to get into the mindset of a serial killer, they don't let you play with corpses and defile and dismember them just for fun. You never get that level of interaction. They are just games. It's just a game mechanic.

I guess there are a few games with scenes as gruesome as that, but they do tend to be murder mystery games rather than serial killer simulations.

I do think there is a stark contrast between the developer intention of serious crimes committed in regular games and what you get in these.

[waltsoph3]

:lol: ok ok. That was funny and messed up. Obviously my super mario thing was taken in the wrong way. It never was ment in a sexual way.lol
So let me try to make more sense of it from my comparision.

Rape=Bad
King Koopa= Bad guy

What both have in common is they are both veiwed as evil. Does that make more sense.

@ tenshi_a's comment of you ask a moderator to censor the posts of people who react negatively to your views.

Look i've got no problems with people dissagreeing with my opinons or views. What i do however have a problem with is people not respecting AN's forum rules. And one of the rules is you don't flame or bash another person. Someone posting a STFU pic at a person is a prime example of not only breaking the rules it also is just completly disrespectful and deffently trolling is it not? I do the best i can to respect the rules and i'm not perfect but at least i do try. Now lets get back on the topic:

I don't want to ban rape in all videogames, I just think that it would make things more interesting, varied and sexy if there weren't rape scenes in almost every game available.

And as for killing people in videogames...... well, in the vast majority of games it is just a game mechanic. The aim of most games is merely to defeat the opponents and in a lot of cases, it involves killing them.

Sometimes it's simple and you don't see any detail. Sometimes it's detailed. Sometimes it's over the top gory.

It's not usually as twisted or involved as scenes in these supposedly erotic games, though. There are very few games where the player is only killing people to live out a fantasy, every step described in minute detail, relishing the pain and suffering of the victim, making it seem as cruel and hurtful as possible. Nor are killings in regular games drawn out for several minutes for further pleasure of the player. Yet this is commonplace in the type of game we are discussing here.

Despite what Jack Thompson claimed, most videogames are not sadistic serial killer simulations. Especially not the ones he was concerned with. They don't normally invite the player to get into the mindset of a serial killer, they don't let you play with corpses and defile and dismember them just for fun. You never get that level of interaction. They are just games. It's just a game mechanic.

I guess there are a few games with scenes as gruesome as that, but they do tend to be murder mystery games rather than serial killer simulations.

I do think there is a stark contrast between the developer intention of serious crimes committed in regular games and what you get in these.

Again its about a players choice of what they want. If they want to play that kind of game or not. But thats not what these orginazations want. Choosing and forcing views are two different things.

You also said most video games are not sadistic serial killer simulations.

Hmm if thats the case then why are people going to court or other such media frenzies to expose a game and say its bad for a person to play so we should boycott or ban it. Heck there was a time back in the atari era where some groups tried to ban certain titles like texas chainsaw massicere just for the fact you played leatherface. Yeah it was that wacky. Try to check out angry video game nerds review of texas chainsaw sometime and he points that out.

No, but there are thousands of games where you can kill or murder hordes of people. If you are going to ban violent rape simulation, you should ban violent murder simulation too...

Oh wait, Jack Thompson showed us how stupid that position is. Killing someone is arguably slightly worse than rape. Why would you allow one and not the other?

Exactly! Even though the games are being made in japan in this story its all about the point of where does the line get drawn. If game makers start a ban with this to please some people then where does it go next ? When is it enough?

Trust me on this guys its never enough. Once you start with one thing it moves on to another and another. Their never pleased untill everything in h-games/hentai are done away with for good. Then afterwards..it probably will STILL not be enough.

Anyways i think i've said all i can.lol All i can do is just wait till the 2nd. One things for sure it will be intresting.

[tenshi_a]

What both have in common is they are both veiwed as evil. Does that make more sense.
I don't like to have to think about games in terms of morality, but you forced me into it.

I don't think anyone seriously considers King Koopa to be that evil, and anyway, in Super Mario Bros games you don't get to do evil things. King Koopa is recognised as a villain and the game is about rescuing a princess from him.

This is normal morality.

Unlike games where as the protagonist, you are thrown into a lot of situations including ones where you violently rape people and that's seen as normal, everyday behaviour, and there are no social or legal reprocussions. And usually, the victim comes round in the end and just likes you all the more for what you've done.

Even if the example was a GTA game, it is obvious that when you are doing something wrong, the police will try to catch you, and often, your dealings with gangs will backfire and you will be hunted down and shot at by them as well. It is not a blissful fantasy of a series of games, it does have moral structure. Even if the point of the game is to avoid it.

What i do however have a problem with is people not respecting AN's forum rules. And one of the rules is you don't flame or bash another person.
This rule is just like the type of rules you seem to hate, though. It's censoring what someone says, in order to protect a person.

Sometimes, rules such as these are good. As you've just asked for one to be used to protect yourself, surely you can see that's true?

Hmm if thats the case then why are people going to court or other such media frenzies to expose a game and say its bad for a person to play so we should boycott or ban it.
Because they're hysterical crazy people who don't know what they're talking about. Normally these things don't go through because sane people are in charge. Occasionally, crazy people and bribed people get their way, but usually only in crazy-people hotspots and Germany. ;)

There's no point getting so worked up about people who campaign against regular video games. As you've just said, they've been trying for 30 years and haven't succeeded. What makes you think that nowadays, in this increasingly digital world, where gaming is mainstream, whether on consoles or on PCs or on Facebook or on iPhones, celebrities advertise games on TV, and even pensioners are brain training daily, anyone is going to ban Super Mario in the same breath as Rapelay? Put things into perspective.

[doom&jellybeans]

What's left, anime characters making love?!

Now that would be nice.

While I've never played an h-game, I have seen my share of h-anime. One of the things I've never cared for was the rape and violent treatment of female characters. It made it very non-sexy and completely unappealing.

However, I'm kind of on the fence with this one as I don't support banning fictional entertainment, then again, I have to wonder how people can play these games. Dosen't their concience bother them about it? Even if it is fictional? Of course I wonder the same about murder in games too.

[Ken-Ohki]

From Canned Dogs

http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/06/02/production-and-sale-of-rape-games-will-be-banned/

[loplop]

This only means that EOCS will not certify any games with such content. I wouldn't be surprised that some manufactures will go over to the other group (I forget it's name at this time) or go the DLsite route to release such games.

While I don't support such games, I have no issues with those who do. I really feel that this whole situation stinks of the Thought Police from Orwell's 1984 . . .

[DocWatson]

I have yet to watch it, but Anime Vice has a link to a video by Penn Jillette regarding this issue—see "Magicians on Rape Games and Thought Crimes" (found via Icarus Publishing's blog).

[waltsoph3]

EOCS are nothing more then a bunch of whipped pansies. Intresting to know is the fact there was no vote taking. 100+companies were there and THIS is the result. But it sounds like they might be able to still release games..just not by the EOCS's standerds.

I'll have to wait for more info but right now i don't like this news at all. :(

[King Arthur]

Really??? Seriously??? No, not about the banning of video games with rape, but why would anyone complain??

Ban firearms and a person would have at least the argument that he has the right to protect himself, family and home. But ban rape video games and what is the argument? That you have the right to be a violent, pervert? Is that an argument or right anyone here wants to give themselves?

[tenshi_a]

Sounds like it's the kind of thing where people might still, make and distribute these extreme rape simulation games, but they will no longer be mainstream. They'll just be pushed into the independant / doujin sector of the market, right?

[Soluzar]

Sounds like it's the kind of thing where people might still, make and distribute these extreme rape simulation games, but they will no longer be mainstream. They'll just be pushed into the independant / doujin sector of the market, right?
Exactly right. Reminds me of the whole Comic Code Authority nonsense. They can ban whatever they want in the interests of happy, clappy, squeeky-clean comic books, but then there are the publishers who just don't care and give the niche audiences exactly what they want in terms of dark, gritty, gory, extreme comic books.

Admittedly the CCA held sway over pretty much the entire market for a long while, but the analogy still holds. This is not a ban with any legal weight, it's an association which you are free to not be a part of which has 'banned' such games under their own voluntary code of practice.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

looks like its flip flopped again, and reap is now banned again [Removed Link]

Moderator edit: See the Sankaku Complex news item "Rape Eroge Really Banned".

[Leader Desslock]

For anyone who thinks this is significant (whether real nor not), I have a question:

How many of you have ever rented the "unrated" version of your favorite movie?

Did the lack of a MPAA rating cause you to hesitate before you rented the title? Or did you specifically rent the title because it was the Unrated version?

Has the MPAA's lack of a rating on certain titles had any real effect in the market? Were the unrated titles driven from the mainstream, or can they be found on the shelves of any Best Buy?

Whether this whole 'ban' thing is real or not, it's not going to affect anything in the marketplace. If anything, the rape-game authors and publishers will use this 'ban' in their marketing materials. "See the game so extreme it was banned in Japan!!"

Honestly, I see this all as non-news.

[waltsoph3]

Sounds like it's the kind of thing where people might still, make and distribute these extreme rape simulation games, but they will no longer be mainstream. They'll just be pushed into the independant / doujin sector of the market, right?

Thats kind of what it sounds like to me too. Like how ESRB won't release any AO titles. It sounds like nothing more but filing paper loopholes to me. What a waste of time. Games can probably STILL be made just the thing is with more ridiculous paperwork if you want to try to have it approved by the EOCS's standards .

What makes it worse is many companies will lose good business because of this. I hope they can sue the hell out of these a-holes. Seriously its a cooperation and they decide this by no vote!? I thought cooperation's did decisions by vote. (shrug) Guess i was wrong.

Now the question is..whats ok and what won't be ok. I guess we'll find out in a day or so. But make no mistake my gut says something stinks and i bet there not just going after rape on this ban list .

Well thanks for the updates guys and guess will see how it turns out. ..sigh :(

[DocWatson]

looks like its flip flopped again, and reap is now banned again [Removed Link]

Moderator edit: See the Sankaku Complex news item "Rape Eroge Really Banned".
I don't mind the mention of Sankaku Complex, but it has naked real breasts on every page, so please don't link to it.

[TougeSil80]

For anyone who thinks this is significant (whether real nor not), I have a question:

How many of you have ever rented the "unrated" version of your favorite movie?

Did the lack of a MPAA rating cause you to hesitate before you rented the title? Or did you specifically rent the title because it was the Unrated version?

Has the MPAA's lack of a rating on certain titles had any real effect in the market? Were the unrated titles driven from the mainstream, or can they be found on the shelves of any Best Buy?

Whether this whole 'ban' thing is real or not, it's not going to affect anything in the marketplace. If anything, the rape-game authors and publishers will use this 'ban' in their marketing materials. "See the game so extreme it was banned in Japan!!"

Honestly, I see this all as non-news.

Can unrated games be sold though? In Australia if a game is "refused classification" it can't be legally sold. Now I understand there's the other rating body in Japan, but can member companies just switch? If not, it's going to be a serious limitation for hardcore games.

[loplop]

Yes, they can switch and I see several doing so. I can thing of a couple companies that will thumb their nose rather quick at this.

[Leader Desslock]

Can unrated games be sold though?
In the US? Absolutely. So can unrated movies, as a trip down to your local video shop will attest.

If there is no law against selling an unrated title, then it can legally be sold. To my knowledge, all ratings in the US are voluntary. Many large retailers won't carry an unrated game (even if it's tic-tac-toe), so in practice, most game producers submit their games for review. But they don't legally have to do so, and they can sell their games just fine without it.

[TougeSil80]

In the US? Absolutely. So can unrated movies, as a trip down to your local video shop will attest.

If there is no law against selling an unrated title, then it can legally be sold. To my knowledge, all ratings in the US are voluntary. Many large retailers won't carry an unrated game (even if it's tic-tac-toe), so in practice, most game producers submit their games for review. But they don't legally have to do so, and they can sell their games just fine without it.

I meant in Japan, can unrated games be sold?

[DocWatson]

In the US? Absolutely. So can unrated movies, as a trip down to your local video shop will attest.

If there is no law against selling an unrated title, then it can legally be sold. To my knowledge, all ratings in the US are voluntary. Many large retailers won't carry an unrated game (even if it's tic-tac-toe), so in practice, most game producers submit their games for review. But they don't legally have to do so, and they can sell their games just fine without it.

I meant in Japan, can unrated games be sold?
As loplop said, yes. As long as the government deems the games in compliance with the current interpretation of Article 175 of Criminal Code/Penal Code (http://www.animenation.net/blog/2003/12/05/ask-john-whats-the-current-status-of-japanese-censorship-law/) (or rather, does not deem them in violation), then they can be sold. AFAIR there is no other (national) law which governs in-country pornography in Japan, other than the requirement that all models be over the age of eighteen (article 69, paragraph 11 (第六十九条の十一) of the Customs Law/Customs Duties Law (関税法, "Kanzei Hou"; Law No. 61 of 1954), governs the importation of pornography).

[loplop]

A little information about the EOCS & the CSA (The other governing body) that might help those still a little confused about all this . . . .



Ethics Organization of Computer Software

The EOCS is a self-regulated body with most of the directors being the head guys from major eroge companies like Alicesoft and Nexton. And the aims of the regulations imposed by the EOCS are to avoid any sort of government intervention or police intervention

The reason why eroge companies want to have their games approved by the EOCS is for their own protection. Basically, if any of their games become a problem in society and there is police intervention or legal action involved, their responsibility can be shifted to the EOCS because they can say that their game has passed the checks by the EOCS.

This also applies for shops that sell games that have the EOCS mark on it. As they would not be responsible for anything they sell as it has been approved by the EOCS.

Distributors will not accept games that have not been reviewed by either the EOCS or the CSA, and the EOCS is also named as the designated review committee for PC games in 21 prefectures in Japan, so it is technically impossible to release any adult games without going through one of these organizations. That is the same for professional games released through DLsite too.

Contents Soft Association (CSA)

And lastly there is the Contents Soft Association (CSA) which is the less popular other self-regulating body that also rates eroge and they’re sanctioned by the Ministry of Economy, Trade and Industry. Companies can choose to be members of either the EOCS or CSA and have their games rated by the respective organizations.

It is said that while they are more lenient in some areas as compared to the EOCS, they are also stricter in other areas, so they haven’t been too different from the EOCS.

Currently the CSA has not announced anything about the current situation, but I would be amazed if they don’t restrict rape games too, with the direction that everything is going right now.

[TougeSil80]

Wow, that seriously sucks then. I guess there's still a little bit of hope that even if CSA decides to regulate hardcore games it'll be less strict than EOCS.

[waltsoph3]

Heh i had a chance to recently read the link on AN news from Canned Dog on the Rape ban "conditions". Even though this isn't a finished proposal read this if you haven't yet:

From the site:
- Words such as “training” (調教) or “slave”, among others, are not allowed in the title or packaging

- HCG involving sexual violation cannot exceed 20% of a game’s total HCG count (ie: can’t try to build this up by having lots of everyday life CG events)

- Even if it’s below 20%, anything that is promoting a criminal offense is not allowed

- Anything that promotes rape, confinement, stalking, domestic violence, and portrays it in a way that the offender gains something out of it is not allowed

- New games that have already passed the review process by the EOCS are considered “safe” from this

- Regulations stated in the fax are completely different from what was being discussed in the emergency meeting yesterday

Well its nice to know all the games already made are safe but so what.

Ok now for my rant on these! Yes you read it right rant.lol :P Think of this as AVGN's You know whats BS. Segment

1. Words such as “training” (調教) or “slave”, among others, are not allowed in the title or packaging

Can you say BS loophole? Does that mean just these words only..or like "among others" words that may sound like these. "I can see it now. HEY! That words a "code" word for training/slave! Take it out!"


2. HCG involving sexual violation cannot exceed 20% of a game’s total HCG count (ie: can’t try to build this up by having lots of everyday life CG events)


Well you can defently throw story out! Sure lets just get to the bottom line! Lets get down and dirty!
Btw 20%. What classifies as "20%" to the EOCS!? Thats not much! You take 20 cents out of a dollar and thats 20%! What would that mean 1 pic, one scene? What a bunch of crap!

3. Even if it’s below 20%, anything that is promoting a criminal offense is not allowed
(nods head in acknowledgment ) Ok so we can't have any content higher then 20% with "sexual violation" THEN even its below 20% you can't promote ANYTHING CRIMINAL(like stealing or anything less pety in the laws eyes)!!??

Well so much for any lawyer, gang related, police detective..or anything else that envolves anything about criminals in a game. Or to add to the sex appeal.
This will really make learning about a game's contents more clueless. FAIL! Way to go.:mad:

4. Anything that promotes rape, confinement, stalking, domestic violence, and portrays it in a way that the offender gains something out of it is not allowed

Again so much for STORY or any creative ideas! BS!! What about a secret lover mistaken for a stalker? Come on it could happen just use your imagination!

5. Oh no need to rant on the games that are safe. Thats a no brainer.

6. Regulations stated in the fax are completely different from what was being discussed in the emergency meeting yesterday


Oh I'm loving this..i'm really loving this. NOT!! I said something really stinks about the whole thing and it looks like i'm about to be right. Not that i already had a feeling something stunk about the conditions already posted today that were leaked out. Another thing it seems some of these companies calling to protest these conditions..cant get a hold of the man incharge of the EOCS today. Btw the ban starts on the 5th. Hmmmmmmmm I smell BS.

Needless to say if the speculations are indeed confirmed when the whole ban list is done there may not only be rape games gone but maybee even more. Espiccaly the fact that this person said: "Regulations stated in the fax are completely different from what was being discussed in the emergency meeting yesterday"

Sounds like political motives to me. Oh but i forget this isn't the goverment handing down this ruling its the EOCS. BS!! Guess we'll find out when the list is out. And thats my rant for now thank you. :P

[Mr. sickVisionz]

I think that the general public would be more than fine with banning rape games.

Also, I don't think rape outright is banned. If you have an anime or game with a serious story and there was a rape scene, I don't think people would denounce it. The rape would be presented as some terrible and horrific act... as opposed to something where the rape is in it for the reader to get sexually aroused, the perpetrator is depicted as the hero, and the act gets you a high score bonus.

[Trefellin]

Banning anything offends me as someone with libertarian leanings.

[tenshi_a]

From the site:
- Words such as “training” (調教) or “slave”, among others, are not allowed in the title or packaging
Is there anything more to that word than "training"? i.e. is it actually used to mean "training by repeatedly beating until they submit" or something? I mean, there's that whole genre of "brain training" type game now; surely it can't be the same word?


Btw 20%. What classifies as "20%" to the EOCS!? Thats not much! You take 20 cents out of a dollar and thats 20%! What would that mean 1 pic, one scene? What a bunch of crap!

It means you take the total number of HCG in the game, divide it by 5, and that's how many 20% is. What's so outrageously complex about working out 20%? Most 6 year olds can calculate that, so I think anyone rating adult software will be able to. :P

Yeah, I'm not sure what it will mean for games that are full-motion and don't just contain a collection of still images.


3. Even if it’s below 20%, anything that is promoting a criminal offense is not allowed
(nods head in acknowledgment ) Ok so we can't have any content higher then 20% with "sexual violation" THEN even its below 20% you can't promote ANYTHING CRIMINAL(like stealing or anything less pety in the laws eyes)!!??

I think you misunderstood the emphasis, it's more like "you can't PROMOTE anything criminal". i.e. you can have your detective hunting a serial rapist and show detailed scenes where the criminal commits his crimes and that's ok as long as it's clear that the rapist is a very very very bad man and the detective gets to have 4 times as much consentual sex.

Same for other crimes; ok as long as they're not glorified.

At least, that's how I interpret it.


4. Anything that promotes rape, confinement, stalking, domestic violence, and portrays it in a way that the offender gains something out of it is not allowed

Again so much for STORY or any creative ideas! BS!! What about a secret lover mistaken for a stalker? Come on it could happen just use your imagination!

Again, the word "promote" is key. You can have your mistaken stalker, you just can't have "yay stalking people is the funnest thing ever! I get to threaten and harrass a girl and kill her pets and make it so she's terrified and can't ever sleep at night! Then I burst in and rape her! And I get bonus points and unlockable CG!".

You can complain all you like, but you don't even play these games, so why bother getting so worked up about it?

To me, it says "mainstream erotic games will no longer contain distasteful things, only erotic things. Games just got sexier and are probably safer to import. Writers will have to come up with scenarios which are new and exciting instead of cliche rape scenes". There is no problem.

Overall, it could attract more of the mainstream market, and raise much needed sales, it could make a huge divide between the two ratings bodies, it could push things undergound... whatever happens, it will be interesting but it's nothing to bawl about.

Oh and don't forget, sometimes the US gets "uncensored!" versions of things, for stuff they had to remove for the Japanese market, so that could be another loophole for you. If you were ever actually interested in getting into this stuff.

[Soluzar]

Is there anything more to that word than "training"? i.e. is it actually used to mean "training by repeatedly beating until they submit" or something? I mean, there's that whole genre of "brain training" type game now; surely it can't be the same word?
I looked it up, and the dictionary I used said it means "training" with the strong implication of "animal training", or "obedience training", breaking a horse to the saddle. That kind of thing.

Then I looked up "Brain Training" and that used the English loanword spelled in Katakana.

[waltsoph3]

I'll answer tenshi_a's coments but not yet. I wanna wait untill i get the whole official list on the banned games.

Let me just say this..words can be twisted to satisfy a person/company's goals. Sometimes words and GAH i hate this BS "taken out of context" or "taken in context." crap.W/E! I've delt with this before with certain people. They say one thing then turn right around behind your back and do something else.


So trust me guys and i hope i'm wrong here but i still say something stinks and when the ban list is released your gonna see it. This isn't just about banning rape games..thats just the first step.
We'll see what happens. :(

[DocWatson]

Are and [url=]Lance Matthew (]Scott Matthew[/url) the same person? Scott Matthew's performance of "Psychodelic Soul" on the second Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex OST (R1 release) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell:_Stand_Alone_Complex_ O.S.T._2)

:::

From the site:
- Words such as “training” (調教) or “slave”, among others, are not allowed in the title or packaging
Is there anything more to that word than "training"? i.e. is it actually used to mean "training by repeatedly beating until they submit" or something? I mean, there's that whole genre of "brain training" type game now; surely it can't be the same word?


I looked it up, and the dictionary I used said it means "training" with the strong implication of "animal training", or "obedience training", breaking a horse to the saddle. That kind of thing.
From WWWJDIC:

調教 "chōkyō"—"training (animals); breaking (animals)"

It's the primary Japanese term used in sexual slavery scenarios.

[tenshi_a]

^ thanks, both of you. That makes it clearer.

(I only noticed the definition in Doc's slavery thread after Soluzar had replied)


Let me just say this..words can be twisted to satisfy a person/company's goals. Sometimes words and GAH i hate this BS "taken out of context" or "taken in context." crap.W/E! I've delt with this before with certain people. They say one thing then turn right around behind your back and do something else.


So trust me guys and i hope i'm wrong here but i still say something stinks and when the ban list is released your gonna see it. This isn't just about banning rape games..thats just the first step.
We'll see what happens. :(
If that happens, people will face it. No use taking things out of context yourself, or speculating about how bad one thing could possibly make another unrelated thing; that's just off-topic.

[TougeSil80]

Ail and Bishop belongs to EOCS, so I wonder what they will do now, most of their games are pretty hardcore, I hope they won't water it down too much.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Pokemon needs to be baned. It has "training" :lol: And that exercise anime had training in the title, what if they try to make a game out of it?

[waltsoph3]

Pokemon needs to be baned. It has "training" :lol: And that exercise anime had training in the title, what if they try to make a game out of it?

Hmmm good point... Makes me wonder if PETA has ever gone after pokemon. Hey i could see it happen. Theres many that hate pokemon.

[Caster13]

I never go on this part of the forum, but I saw this on the main page, and all I have to say is THANK GOD.

This type of thing is sick, and why they were not banned sooner makes no sense. The only reason I can thing of is that there are people in power in the japanese government who like this kind of stuff. Good riddance.

[Trefellin]

Fascist! :mad:

[DocWatson]

Fascist! :mad:
Stop that. Name calling is against rules.

[TougeSil80]

I never go on this part of the forum, but I saw this on the main page, and all I have to say is THANK GOD.

This type of thing is sick, and why they were not banned sooner makes no sense. The only reason I can thing of is that there are people in power in the japanese government who like this kind of stuff. Good riddance.

Just wait till they censor something you like, then I bet you'll change your views.

[TougeSil80]

Mod edit: From Canned Dogs:

Misc updates about regulating PC games


I thought I could gather reactions on the official staff blogs from eroge but they were told to refrain from commenting and they’re apparently all obeying that request so instead I wrote about other meaningless stuff and why many are looking at the VisualArts chairman as a hero now after the 2nd of June meeting.



EOCS regulations
According to this blog by somebody in the eroge industry, the fax released on the 5th of June by the EOCS is just a temporary guideline for eroge makers to follow till they discuss and decide on the actual regulations, however comments are that the fax is really vague and hard to follow. But it appears most games are safe for now as long as they can submit their game within an unspecified time frame.

For now it’s just a bunch of games that had their names changed.


Online sales of doujin games
Digital Doujin Hanbai Renrakukai (DHR) will be having a meeting on the middle of June and word is that they’re leaning towards restricting the sale of rape related doujin work.

The DHR comprises of retailers that deal in the online sale of digital doujin and their member companies include DLsite, Getchu, Digiket, Toranoana, Melonbooks, and DMM.

The company that runs DLsite is one of the board members however, and rape and sexual violation makes up a large chunk of the content they sell so it’s hard to imagine that they’ll let this pass without a fight.

DLsite has also released a message to circles saying that they will not be doing any self-censorship yet and are adapting a “wait and see” stance for the time being.

Though, this blog has directly asked the DHR about the situation and they say that there will be no sudden restrictions and they hope to discuss this carefully and look to the long term instead of being affected by events that may only be short-term.

Also, Vector started a big discount sale (NSFW) on downloadable sales of kichiku games till the 25th of June.


Other doujin
Comic Market usually follows industry standards with their restrictions on what can be sold at the event, but they have not yet announced their stance on the situation.


Switching to CSA wouldn’t work
Toriyama Jin, who is a game director, scenario writer, and also an AV director, has written on his blog that the entire thing started from retail shops not wanting to carry rape games, so switching from the EOCS to the CSA will not change anything.

The CSA has already advised live action porn makers to hold back on rape and fake-loli live action AV material since summer 2008, in that sense we can say that the self regulation on 2D works have come pretty late in comparison.


Alternative report of the 2nd June meeting
Baba looks really weird written in English so I’ll just refer to him as Vava from now on! The handle name he uses for ai sp@ce and the VA bbs is Chairman vava.

The below is a personal report from somebody else who was present at the meeting. (carries some personal opinions of the person who reported this)

The questions asked by the representatives for the most part of the meeting were mostly people describing their own game and asking if it’ll be affected by the new regulations. Chairman vava was the only guy who really understood what they should be talking about.

Representatives from other eroge brands: Will this game that we’re making be affected by the new regulations? (already assuming that new regulations will be implemented)

Chairman vava: Will we even have new regulations in the first place? If we do what kind of procedure and schedule will used to implement this? Will any of our opinions be reflected?

EOCS director’s reply “shut up and wait for our official notification” (this is not an exact quote and more of what the guy felt the director basically meant)

The big guys that deal in pure love genres basically just sat in the back and just watching to see how it goes. Most of the questions were by the representatives from small eroge brands with stuff that didn’t matter at all, nobody wants to hear a tiny eroge brand describe the sexual preferences of their writer.

Their questions took too much time that by the time vava managed to get his turn to ask the important questions and turned the session in the right direction, the session had already ended almost immediately.

Most of the big guys in the industry deal in pure love genres, and basically only big name brands that deal in rape games are already EOCS directors. (including illusion)

Via: 凌辱ゲー全規制対策本部 17


Now sure if posting the source site is allowed or not, but just search momotato.com and you'll find it. I've said this too many times in this thread, but this sucks. Looks like there's no escaping the regulation by selling games online or switching to CSA. Hopefully hardcore eroge makers will use the time before the regulations becomes official to release a few more games. If what the last memo said is true, games that are in development will be allowed be released, so this is probably the last wave of good games.

[DocWatson]

Now sure if posting the source site is allowed or not, but just search momotato.com and you'll find it.
Posting the title is fine—I've added it. (I don't read that blog, so I'm uncertain if it contains content that would be deemed objectionable by the AN rules, but nothing jumps out at me.)

[waltsoph3]

sounds like a bunch of smokescreen to me. Now companies can't talk about the new regulations? I just wish there was more info on the regulations. Hopefully the public may not have to wait long. We'll just have to wait and see.

[Ken-Ohki]

There's some news about a group called Mangagamer? They've stopped their distribution of translated rape games due to ... oh I'll look it up. Here you go.

04 Jun 2009 We are sorry to announce that the following two titles will be put off from the site due to a request from the copyright holder.
"My Sex Slave is a Classmate"
"Suck My **** or Die"
We sincerely apologize for the inconvinience this might have caused.

I'm guessing this is more fallout from the decision in Japan.

[waltsoph3]

^
Yep sounds like it to me. :(

My Sex Slave is a Classmate hmm sounds kinky.

Suck my..ahem and die. Wow thats striaght to the point isnt it.:P (cue punch line BGM)
I know i know that was a bad joke i could't help it.

Still what a shame for players.

[TougeSil80]

Looks like CSA is going to tighten their rules also.

Non-human heroines might possibly be restricted


Norn (NSFW) has announced in their online newsletter that the Norn games that are currently in development cannot be delivered into the hands of their fans without any modifications.

The character settings, situations, and the game title are against regulation, and a lot of problems have popped up.

The developers are trying their best right now to be able to provide a game that the fans want with the minimum amount of modifications.

A lot is happening in the industry right now because of the regulations this time around, but Norn will try their best to make a game that will satisfy their users.

Norn also reports that the various sides are still having negotiations right now, but there is currently a possibility that games featuring non-human heroines (robots, elves, cat girls, vampires etc) may no longer be accepted for sale.

Games featuring Impregnation or having babies may also get the same treatment.

However, Norn staff says that even if something like that happens, they will try their best to do whatever they can to get their games to their fan.

Norn belongs in the CSA.

I guess the push for restrictions on non-human heroines might be to close that loophole to seriously tighten loli restrictions.

If it really happens… I guess stuff like Tsukihime will be down.

Ugh.

Via: Cybele／Nornってどうよ？


http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/06/12/non-human-heroines-might-possibly-be-restricted/

[waltsoph3]

^ To the article itself

oh COME ON!! Seriously this is BS! Its fiction for pete freaking sake! And it looks like my prediction was right when i said this ban was more then just about rape games.

Seriously what the hell this has nothing to do with rape. Heaven forbid we can't have characters that have a human appearance yet might be different like elves. Whats next!? :mad:

[Hajime Saitou]

norn also reports that the various sides are still having negotiations right now, but there is currently a possibility that games featuring non-human heroines (robots, elves, cat girls, vampires etc) may no longer be accepted for sale.
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LF24M CSA PST

[DocWatson]

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LF24M CSA PST
Please use English, not "L33t".

[Hajime Saitou]

Please use English, not "L33t".

That was English. :P What I wrote is commonly used shorthand in MMORPGs(Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games). People who play them will get the joke, but as with all references, everyone else will miss it.

[BloodyValtiel]

The article doesn't existed anymore so I've bring another link from different sources. This time, it's in english.

http://kotaku.com/5275409/rape-games-officially-banned-in-japan


:facepalm:
This ban is absolutely absurd. I mean, is sphere-killing simulation game more worse then rape simulation games? Draw your line here, people. Speaking frankly, I think this ban on rape simulation game is soooooooo NAIVE.

[Joichiro Nishi]

I mean, is sphere-killing simulation game more worse then rape simulation games?

Yeah, rape is far worse.

[BloodyValtiel]

Yeah, rape is far worse.


How can you say that? In reality, kill is far worser than rape itself, but that is way off the topic here. In here, what we're talking about is simulation games, in other words: FICTION, not reality.

And both of us already knew that rape simulation and killing-spree simulation games or fiction isn't more harsh and worser than reality

[tofuman]

I had a feeling they weren't going to stop at rape games. Be prepared to kiss loli goodbye.

[Hajime Saitou]

One of those articles said that loli was already banned a long time ago. :lol:

Anyway, maybe I'm missing something obvious, but what's a sphere-killing game?

[BloodyValtiel]

Anyway, maybe I'm missing something obvious, but what's a sphere-killing game?


Oh, jeez. Sorry. I'm talking about killing-spree simulation games.
So anyway, I'd classified Killzone, Resident Evil, Moral Kombat and... Mario as killing-spree simulation games.

*gasps*
Mario killed the turtles by squash from top and used turtle's shell as weapon against other turtles?! This game must be banned!

Now, that's downright silly and nice sarcasm, don't you agree? The point is the simulation rape game is no different from killing-spree simulation games.

Except some of the audience is too over-sensitive and too naive to handle the rape-simulation game than killing-spree simulation game, of course.
-_-;

[loplop]

I had a feeling they weren't going to stop at rape games. Be prepared to kiss loli goodbye.

Personally, I have less issues with rape in games than loli . . .

[BloodyValtiel]

I had a feeling they weren't going to stop at rape games. Be prepared to kiss loli goodbye.

That, I have no doubt. And I don't think they weren't going to stop at loli, either.

[Hajime Saitou]

Oh, jeez. Sorry. I'm talking about killing-spree simulation games.

Ok, I got it now. The violence vs. sex thing is definitely something worth looking at when it comes to how they're treated in the media. Unfortunately in the case of rape it's both violence and sex, so it can't hide behind one or the other.

My take on it is that it's fiction, and last I checked I'm not forced to play any of these, so I don't personally care from a consumer standpoint. From your words it sounds like you feel the same way. But even though I don't agree with the people that would want these things to be banned, I can still understand where they're coming from.

Even if you just take a quick look at violent video games, you can still see that there's a big difference in the who, how, and to whom aspect of the violence compared to how these rape games depict the same things. There are violent video games that catch flak for being extremely violent without much else seemingly going on. Manhunt, or State of Emergency(duck!) for example. Most don't though, because you're usually either a male soldier killing other male soldiers, a special-forces unit killing some kind of terrorists/druglords/gangs, or some kind of hero saving the planet from aliens. But when people that have just discovered that games like the ones being banned exist in Japan and take their first look at them, they don't like what they see and I think that's a pretty understandable reaction.

So basically I don't think it's as cut and dry as violence vs. sex in this situation. It's more the overall intent of these games that seems to be the problem.

[Leader Desslock]

Speaking frankly, I think this ban on rape simulation game is soooooooo NAIVE.
So do I. Honestly.

The market for this content exists. Evidently the creative impulse to create this content exists. As long as there is a demand and supply, the content will continue to exist.

Doujinshi are illegal. But the creative impulse to create the content exists, the market exists for the content, so they're quite freely available, within limits largely determined by society. And those societal limits trump the law, at least enough to keep that content alive and obtainable.

All that's changed for rape-simulation game content and its ilk is the law. And as with the law governing other content, this law will be trumped by the relevant societal limits, defined by the level at which the content is accepted. The market hasn't changed at all.

So yes, I totally agree that the ban is naive. But so, in my opinion, is all the hubbub in opposition to that ban.

Much ado about nothing, in my opinion. Nothing significant has changed, the game might just have some new rules. I think the sun will rise tomorrow regardless. :rolleyes:


Sure, ultimately I have no interest in this content whatsoever, but... eh. I'm watching a bunch of you throw a tizzy about the new law, but it's clear that what's really upsetting most of you is that this form of entertainment lacks the level of social respect you evidently think it deserves. :rolleyes:

Most people find this stuff repulsive. They always did; they still do. That part hasn't changed either.

[HSaabedra]

All that's changed for rape-simulation game content and its ilk is the law. And as with the law governing other content, this law will be trumped by the relevant societal limits, defined by the level at which the content is accepted. The market hasn't changed at all.

So yes, I totally agree that the ban is naive. But so, in my opinion, is all the hubbub in opposition to that ban.

Much ado about nothing, in my opinion. Nothing significant has changed, the game might just have some new rules. I think the sun will rise tomorrow regardless. :rolleyes:


Sure, ultimately I have no interest in this content whatsoever, but... eh. I'm watching a bunch of you throw a tizzy about the new law, but it's clear that what's really upsetting most of you is that this form of entertainment lacks the level of social respect you evidently think it deserves. :rolleyes:

Most people find this stuff repulsive. They always did; they still do. That part hasn't changed either.

Something's wrong here. There is no "law" in the sense that one exists to ban such content, it is merely a self-imposed ban via interest group in order to placate society at large.

As with any self-imposed censorship there will be methods that developers use that will skirt the rules, much like the similarly ineffectual loli in H-game "ban".

[Hajime Saitou]

Well you know that Desslock is a law-thumper. :P

[Leader Desslock]

^ Nah, I was just echoing the phrasing of previous posts. My bad. :P

But that kinda illustrates my point - actual LAWS don't seem to hinder the doujinshi market, so how much of an effect are "some industry guidelines" likely to have here?

[BloodyValtiel]

So do I. Honestly.

The market for this content exists. Evidently the creative impulse to create this content exists. As long as there is a demand and supply, the content will continue to exist.

Doujinshi are illegal. But the creative impulse to create the content exists, the market exists for the content, so they're quite freely available, within limits largely determined by society. And those societal limits trump the law, at least enough to keep that content alive and obtainable.

All that's changed for rape-simulation game content and its ilk is the law. And as with the law governing other content, this law will be trumped by the relevant societal limits, defined by the level at which the content is accepted. The market hasn't changed at all.

So yes, I totally agree that the ban is naive. But so, in my opinion, is all the hubbub in opposition to that ban.

Much ado about nothing, in my opinion. Nothing significant has changed, the game might just have some new rules. I think the sun will rise tomorrow regardless. :rolleyes:


Sure, ultimately I have no interest in this content whatsoever, but... eh. I'm watching a bunch of you throw a tizzy about the new law, but it's clear that what's really upsetting most of you is that this form of entertainment lacks the level of social respect you evidently think it deserves. :rolleyes:

Most people find this stuff repulsive. They always did; they still do. That part hasn't changed either.

Lol, well.
There's no law against the japan-based games on the ground of United States of the America, isn't there?
^_^

[HSaabedra]

But that kinda illustrates my point - actual LAWS don't seem to hinder the doujinshi market, so how much of an effect are "some industry guidelines" likely to have here?

I need to upgrade my sarcasm detector. In any case your post has a lot of merit and makes more sense than the WHARRRRRRRGARBL I've seen lately.

[DocWatson]

Lol, well.
There's no law against the japan-based games on the ground of United States of the America, isn't there?
^_^
Technically, the importation of obscenity is forbidden, but this is rarely enforced.

[Soluzar]

Technically, the importation of obscenity is forbidden, but this is rarely enforced.
Besides a lot of H games don't really satisfy the legal definition of obscenity.

Not all pornography is obscene.

[TougeSil80]

Doujinshi manga can be easily made by anyone, but a good eroge that has a lot of voice parts and bgm can't. If both rating bodies and DHR all banned hardcore games, there would be no way for the companies to sell it. This is not like torrent where they can just move a server to another country to dodge a law.

[BloodyValtiel]

Besides a lot of H games don't really satisfy the legal definition of obscenity.

Not all pornography is obscene.

I agree, but I'll play among the law. I'll be wait to see if this absurd ban over Japan dissolved. It's only matter of the time, though.

[BloodyValtiel]

I really am curious...

If the production of rape simulation games is banned from Japan, then will rape-related crime rate raise?

[Track]

I really am curious...

If the production of rape simulation games is banned from Japan, then will rape-related crime rate raise?

I think that's the opposite of what these people want to accomplish.

And hasn't anyone considered that banning "rape" is completely unconstitutional?

[Leader Desslock]

And hasn't anyone considered that banning "rape" is completely unconstitutional?
Um... even if this was in the US (and it's not), you're aware that it would be entirely constitutional for private groups to set internal policies regarding the production and distribution of any content they choose, right?

If WalMart doesn't want to carry any movies with a rating of NC-17 or above, that's not censorship, it's a marketing decision.

If this Japanese group has decided to halt production of games containing extreme content because they know that another group won't carry those titles, that's a marketing decision as well. I strongly doubt that's against the Japanese constitution.

[Akemi L. Mokoto]

i guess its a good thing. Rape is a horrible thing and to Profit off such crimes is something you would not want your country to be known for.

[loplop]

i guess its a good thing. Rape is a horrible thing and to Profit off such crimes is something you would not want your country to be known for.

But lolicon is OK? :facepalm:

[ZeroRyoko1974]

But lolicon is OK? :facepalm:

yes, as long as they aren't being raped :lol:

[BloodyValtiel]

I think that's the opposite of what these people want to accomplish.


I think so, too. If people believe the violent simulation game promotes the violence then they're completely id**ts. Pardon my language. The percent of the violence caused by violent games is soooooo low. It's almost nonexistence.

http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/pornography/prngrphy_rape_jp.html
The evidence showed that the availability of pornography rape, somehow, reduced rape-related crime rate in Japan. Japanese even has lowest rape rate than United States of the America.

Maybe they're doing something right before the ban.

[l0k1]

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LF24M CSA PST

Looking for 24 more *some place i don't know* whisper me

[Leader Desslock]

Japanese even has lowest rape rate than United States of the America.
As I recall reading somewhere, rape has always been one of the most underreported crimes in Japan, due to the social stigma it evidently carries.

Ah, here's a different article, but it supports that statement:

http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/few-authorities-know-how-to-deal-with-rape-victims-in-japan

In 2006, says Yomiuri Weekly, there were 1,984 reported rapes nationwide, and an estimated 10 times as many unreported ones. A government survey that same year found 144 of 1578 women surveyed—7.2%—claiming to have at least once submitted against their will to sexual force.

So the documented rape stats show Japan having a low rape rate, but when you factor in the difference in reporting (90% unreported in Japan, versus about ~40% unreported in the US), there's clearly a larger social stigma in Japan about it, and that has a big impact on those stats.

So I'd take the "Japan has lower rape stats" with a grain of salt without some real digging to understand the context in which those stats are relevant.

[DocWatson]

So I'd take the "Japan has lower rape stats" with a grain of salt without some real digging to understand the context in which those stats are relevant.
For that see:

Burns, Catherine. Sexual Violence and the Law in Japan (http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/54974629). London: RoutledgeCurzon, 2005. ISBN 9780415336512. (Google Books link (http://books.google.com/books?id=LmvG9CR8anwC).)

[BloodyValtiel]

As I recall reading somewhere, rape has always been one of the most underreported crimes in Japan, due to the social stigma it evidently carries.

Ah, here's a different article, but it supports that statement:

http://www.japantoday.com/category/kuchikomi/view/few-authorities-know-how-to-deal-with-rape-victims-in-japan



So the documented rape stats show Japan having a low rape rate, but when you factor in the difference in reporting (90% unreported in Japan, versus about ~40% unreported in the US), there's clearly a larger social stigma in Japan about it, and that has a big impact on those stats.

So I'd take the "Japan has lower rape stats" with a grain of salt without some real digging to understand the context in which those stats are relevant.

Oh, damn. I was misinformed and misinformation's driving me crazy mad. I don't like it. :facepalm:

However, I don't see any solid stats that violence caused by rape simulation games, but I'll take your word and stats for it. 90% unreported in Japan - That's bloody too much. I'm beggining to think that was good idea to ban the sales of Rape simulation games in Japan, but the ban itself is naive and will not help anything anyway. Japan government must have try different forward other than banning rape games to help these Japanese women, like funding SANE.

Thanks for the information, article and stats, that means something to me.
Speaking of SANE, I'd like to have that book DocWatson posted. Hey, this book probably will to solve my insanity over the misinformation.

[TougeSil80]

Is the 90% unreported figure Yomiuri's own estimate? Yomiuri is just a news paper, so I wouldn't take their estimates for the absolute truth.

[Leader Desslock]

I'm not familiar with the information source they used to write their article, and I don't take any statistics as absolute proof. I merely linked to an article that seemed to support what I already knew from other sources: Rape is a profoundly underreported crime in Japan, moreso than in the US.

The article I linked merely meshed with what I'd read earlier on the topic, so I linked to it as a way of saying, "Yeah, I'm not completely making this up, you know?"

I suspect that the book Doc Watson linked is a fairly definitive source of information on the topic, so if you want answers, I suggest you start there.

[animeotaku99]

OK this can't be serious....
They are ACTUALLY passing laws censoring material in ero-games?
I find this to be terrible news.
can someone summarize the situation for me?

I'm raging right now. Are games involving rape and stuff actually banned? I like getting the games and running them through AGTH or OAGT

[loplop]

OK this can't be serious....
They are ACTUALLY passing laws censoring material in ero-games?
I find this to be terrible news.
can someone summerize the situation for me?

EDIT: Sounds like it only involves companies in EOCS. OR like aself-policing

Basically the companies are self-policing themselves after fallout of people discovering the game Rapelay 3 years after it came out. Rapelay was a game never intended for sale outside of Japan that was being sold by Amazon sellers in many countries. It kind of snowballed after a MP in Ireland starting ranting about it being sold by amazon there and a feminist group, with no presence in Japan, took the ball and starting threatening companies and demanding the Japanese government ban all games of their type. The EOCS moved to keep government involvement out of the situation. But now there is pressure to ban other types of games since it occurred.

[animeotaku99]

so... no more Taimanin Asagi or similar games? That is real BS
Will games still contain stuf like rape, pregnancy, cat girls and all the other stuff that the want stopped? Just censored or skirted around some how?

seriously this is [issing me off, I liked playing ero-games and these are effecting ones that don't even involve rape, and I am fine with rape in a ero-game. I'm an adult after all. Prison Spaceship is one of my favorites that I just got the translation patch for

[loplop]

It's not 100% clear at this time. We'll have to see what comes out of a upcoming meeting that's occurring in mid-July

[BloodyValtiel]

Basically the companies are self-policing themselves after fallout of people discovering the game Rapelay 3 years after it came out. Rapelay was a game never intended for sale outside of Japan that was being sold by Amazon sellers in many countries. It kind of snowballed after a MP in Ireland starting ranting about it being sold by amazon there and a feminist group, with no presence in Japan, took the ball and starting threatening companies and demanding the Japanese government ban all games of their type. The EOCS moved to keep government involvement out of the situation. But now there is pressure to ban other types of games since it occurred.

I agreed 100% with your point that the Rapelay never intended for sale outside of Japan. I think it is rather ridiculous for U.S. government pressured Japan to banning these rape-simulation games, because the Rapelay "is intended for sales of Japan only".
Mind that that Japan's perverted business is never a part of of U.S.A.'s business. Now I understood what people mean U.S.A. is a world's police bas*rds.

By the way.. I have a lolicon fetish like you.

And... I'm drunk. :trashed:

:P

[loplop]

Actually the US government had nothing to do with it. The US government has made no move against such games & most likely will not. It's just too far under the radar compared to many other things, even for the feminist groups and the various religious groups. They have never even bothered with such stuff here in the US other than some of the fringe anti-anything foreign groups and people, regardless of what's been said. Live action porn,however is another matter.

[BloodyValtiel]

Actually the US government had nothing to do with it. The US government has made no move against such games & most likely will not. It's just too far under the radar compared to many other things, even for the feminist groups and the various religious groups. They have never even bothered with such stuff here in the US other than some of the fringe anti-anything foreign groups and people, regardless of what's been said. Live action porn,however is another matter.

*Burps* *:trashed:

You're right about US government had nothing to do with it.. However, Amazon.com is originated in U.S.A., is responsive for all of this trouble.

Please pardon my insanely language, f**king Amazon.com for getting that much attention over Rapelay.
And.. I'm addicted to Lolicon because of you. I curse you for your influence over me..... Somehow, I'm happy because of that...

Bwahahahahahahaha...
:trashed:

[Track]

Um... even if this was in the US (and it's not), you're aware that it would be entirely constitutional for private groups to set internal policies regarding the production and distribution of any content they choose, right?

If WalMart doesn't want to carry any movies with a rating of NC-17 or above, that's not censorship, it's a marketing decision.

If this Japanese group has decided to halt production of games containing extreme content because they know that another group won't carry those titles, that's a marketing decision as well. I strongly doubt that's against the Japanese constitution.

The government's decision to ban rape-related games doesn't have a single thing to do with the economy or marketing. It's regressive, financially, if anything. But, it's about ruling people and companies for no justifiable reason. In fact, controlling the market in such a way in completely illegal, according to constitutional law.. and yes, US law.. is there any other form of law? This isn't a company who stops making/selling rape-related content because it doesn't sell.. affecting only themselves, and the customers indirectly. This is about the bloody government thinking it can tell people how to breath and brush their teeth.. it's based upon false ideology and false belief that one can impose their personal ideology on another, let alone such a large amount of people/such a big group.

[Hajime Saitou]

Can someone please edit the title of the thread and content of the first post so people like that will stop posting stuff like that.

Thanks.

[DocWatson]

Can someone please edit the title of the thread and content of the first post so people like that will stop posting stuff like that.

Thanks.
I've changed the title of the thread, but editing the initial post (which was made by a super moderator) would destroy the history of the discussion, so I'm leaving it as-is.

[DocWatson]

I'm not familiar with the information source they used to write their article, and I don't take any statistics as absolute proof. I merely linked to an article that seemed to support what I already knew from other sources: Rape is a profoundly underreported crime in Japan, moreso than in the US.

The article I linked merely meshed with what I'd read earlier on the topic, so I linked to it as a way of saying, "Yeah, I'm not completely making this up, you know?"

I suspect that the book Doc Watson linked is a fairly definitive source of information on the topic, so if you want answers, I suggest you start there.
See page 48 (http://books.google.com/books?id=LmvG9CR8anwC&lpg=PP1&vq=rape&pg=PA48)—that 90% of rapes (as opposed to sexual assault) in Japan are unreported seems to be true, according to the source cited (http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200109/000020010901A0282626.php). See also pages 46–7 (http://books.google.com/books?id=LmvG9CR8anwC&lpg=PP1&vq=rape&pg=PA46), et seq.

An article by an author of that source:

Dussich, John P. J. 2001. "Decisions Not to Report Sexual Assault: A Comparative Study Among Women Living in Japan Who Are Japanese, Korean, Chinese, and English-Speaking" (http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/86854581). International Journal of Offender Therapy and Comparative Criminology. Vol. 45, no. 3: 278–301.

[Leader Desslock]

In fact, controlling the market in such a way in completely illegal, according to constitutional law.. and yes, US law.. is there any other form of law?
Since when did the US constitution apply to foreign countries?

A decision by Japanese companies to take rape games off the normal distribution circuit in Japan - how does the US constitution apply there, exactly?

I'm not familiar with the Japanese equivalent to the constitution, nor the finer legal semantics of free speech in Japan. But I'm willing to bet that they don't preclude private organizations from deciding not to carry/certify/distribute risque content. If you've got any information to the contrary, however, I'd probably be interested to read it. Please link.

[Hajime Saitou]

I've changed the title of the thread, but editing the initial post (which was made by a super moderator) would destroy the history of the discussion, so I'm leaving it as-is.

Thanks for fixing the title. Hopefully people won't just jump in here swinging anymore. :lol:

But I don't think Ken-ohki would care if you put some clearly marked updates at the top or bottom of his post though, perhaps with a few links to some of the posts that contain actual news updates and clarification, such as these: 1 (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6592976&postcount=26)/2 (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6593262&postcount=41)/3 (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6596436&postcount=68)/4 (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6597234&postcount=84)/5 (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6602056&postcount=101)/6 (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6605924&postcount=106). Basically just something like an index of important posts to read if you want to keep up with what's actually going on without having to wade through most of the posts in this thread.

[animeotaku99]

but "non-human" ero-games? I mean that is ridiculous!

[Leader Desslock]

^ Evidently catgirl rape is also an underreported crime in Japan.

Mind you, it's the catgirls doing the raping, most likely. They do have the claws, after all. And there's an episode of Hyper Police that shows just how dangerous Natsuki can be when she's in heat. :P

[animeotaku99]

Well games involving men are not going ot be regulated though. So thee will still be games with men getting raped. not that I have any games like that :shifty:

I really hope this all fizzles out soon...

[TougeSil80]

Well, we if we can't get them to remove the ban, maybe we should petition for a ban for yaoi games. lol.

[ShanceChance]

but "non-human" ero-games? I mean that is ridiculous!

What do they define as "non-human"?

Tentacle monsters?

Fantasy creatures like elves and fairies?

Furry characters and kemonomimi?

Demons? Angels? Other spiritual beings?

Inanimate objects (oh no... a girl using a vibrator to masturbate... can't have that!)?

Sounds like something they will have fun trying to categorize.

[animeotaku99]

^ yup pretty much all of those. Cat girls, vampires, deamons angels elves ect.

[BloodyValtiel]

Jeez.. All of this trouble over TBS' news report. They love to jump the gun, don't they?

[TougeSil80]

http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/06/23/online-dl-shop-reveals-new-restrictions/

Online DL shop announces new restrictions

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/611/owata.jpg

llpalace’s Online shop dejipare (NSFW) which deals in downloadable doujin and downloadable eroge has announced that adult works belonging to the following genres or have any content that have something to do with the keywords will be restricted, as according to the directions from an unnamed regulation body. (most probably EOCS)

Rape
Loli
Gang Rape
Sexual violence (陵辱)
Cruel sexual play (鬼畜)
Reverse rape
Shoujo
Forbidden sex (相姦)
Reverse sexual violence (逆陵辱)
Forced (強要)
Multiple play (複数プレイ)
School council (生徒会)
Bestiality
Bondage
Threaten
Train groping (車内わいせつ)
Enjo Kousai (wikipedia link)
Incest
Torture
Bind tightly (緊縛)
Pregnant
Rape (強姦) (another way to refer to rape)
Slave
Pregnant woman
Imprisonment
Impregnation
Aside from the above keywords, words that attempt to make references to the above words such as (JC / JK / U18 / U15 etc) are also included. There may still be more words that will be added to the list.

The list does not only cover written information (including scenario, speech, hidden words, circle name, brand name), but images and CG (both art and real life images) are also covered in the new restrictions.

The date that the new restrictions will take effect and exact criteria on how affected media will be judged is still being decided, but will be announced soon.

Also I couldn’t think of a good English equivalent for many of the keywords, so if anybody has better suggestions for some of the keywords it’ll be great.

Edit: I missed this, but Minori is restricting foreign access to their website now apparently.



This is the end of all eroge (except for yaoi and dating sims I guess).

[animeotaku99]

WTF! that is everything! This **** better blow over or the produceres of ero-games better find a away around it or Japan will lose a big part of its economy

[TougeSil80]

To the people who said in the beginning "I don't play rape games so it doesn't effect me" well, I bet it does now.

[BloodyValtiel]

Wow...

Suddenly I want the destruction of TBS... But anyway - It's only new restrictions, new limitation, not ban.

[TougeSil80]

Both EOCS, CSA and now online retailers are following this restriction, how else can you sell your product (sort of moving your company to another country)? It's effectively a ban.

[animeotaku99]

but it restricts EVERYTHING

[BloodyValtiel]

Both EOCS, CSA and now online retailers are following this restriction, how else can you sell your product (sort of moving your company to another country)? It's effectively a ban.

Like some of restriction or ban will stop me. I guess we'll go and buy Japan a visit. I'll be sure that I'll carry a lot of money and large wooden cases.

If it doesn't work, then black market.

[waltsoph3]

:|.......unbelievable...un..freaking.. believable!

Congratulations Japan you have just destroyed hentai games. Seriously..whats the point of playing one now!? They have basically stripped everything that makes a story important.

So now all i seee from this is good guy clean sex games and thats all it is now. Wait i'm sorry they may not even have a story it may probably be pick your woman then go have a good time with em and afterwards The End.

Seriously i don't really have plans to get any ero games but this is just a serious crippling blow to adult fans. Next up hentai itself! Count on it!

Japan please if your a fan of hentai games then please fight this ban. Theres no reason to do this ban just to appease a certain group. Not everyone is gonna like something in a game or film! And remeber these games were for adults not kids. You have to have scummy bad guys to make some stories work at times.

Again i'm personally against rape of all forms however these games are not real, the characters are not real, and the end we need to remember that.

You will soon have nothing and i mean nothing but boring games in the ero department. You can only do something soo many times before people feel its just a copy cat of some else's work.

Seriously this situation is truly crushing. I still am in shock. :(

[animeotaku99]

I'm sorry but there must be some way around this. They are putting some many companies out of business. Games by Lilith, illusion, complets, Unicorn are all good as gone

What else is there? a single smiliey happy kiss? And it won't be long before this effects videos, animated and real life. Doujins and anime

[animeotaku99]

also, And we had hope with the BAN not effecting internet sales/downloads but the feminazis had to bleed all over that too

[BloodyValtiel]

You know what, EOCS, CSA and now online retailers...

I'll just improvize my artist and game design skills. I can draw and create the games out of:

Rape, Loli, Gang Rape, Sexual violence (陵辱), Cruel sexual play (鬼畜), Reverse rape, Shoujo, Forbidden sex (相姦), Reverse sexual violence (逆陵辱), Forced (強要), Multiple play (複数プレイ), School council (生徒会), Bestiality
Bondage, Threaten, Train groping (車内わいせつ), Enjo Kousai, Incest, Torture, Bind tightly (緊縛), Pregnant, Rape (強姦), Slave, Pregnant woman, Imprisonment, Impregnation.

So I'll enjoy them myself.

Speaking frankly, I can't do Futanari (二成, 二形; ふたなり)
:x

[Ken-Ohki]

This is a very odd turn of events that I completely didn't expect.

Also now Minori's official website (they made games like ef a tale of memories) now has this

minori official website.
This website cannot be browsed excluding Japan.

Some foreigners seem to be having an antipathy against EROGE.
Therefore, We prohibited the access from foreign countries, to defend our culture.
Sorry for you of the fan that lives in a foreign country.

minori Inc.


http://www.minori.ph/

[BloodyValtiel]

This is a very odd turn of events that I completely didn't expect.

Also now Minori's official website (they made games like ef a tale of memories) now has this


http://www.minori.ph/

I tried to use http://218.219.158.179 - to pass through the firewall, but it doesn't work too.
:(

[TougeSil80]

I tried using a Hong Kong proxy, still wan't able to log in there. So I guess they really banned everyone except for Japanese IPs.

[Chaos8472]

Woah ... I can't believe it. :eek:

Well I can't say I wasn't expecting something like this after the rape ban, but certainly not so quickly and covering quite so much. I don't know who was deciding where the line is going to be drawn, but they must really hate eroge or at least vast swathes of it.

If this really holds, then I suppose its only a matter of time before h anime and h manga are are targeted ... gah what a depressing way to start the day :(

[tofuman]

Here's ([Removed Link]) an article about the new ban. This is a sad moment. While I'm not into most of the material that's been banned, doing this has basically taken away what makes hentai special. All the different varieties and endless possibility's. Now it will be no different then live action porn:'(Thanks allot for being such a kiss a#@ Japan.

Mod edit: See Sakaku Complex—to which you may refer, but not link, due to the nudity on the site.

[tenshi_a]

Wait i'm sorry they may not even have a story it may probably be pick your woman then go have a good time with em and afterwards The End.

When did this part of the restriction come in? I think I missed the post that said that games are no longer allowed to have stories.

Is this just "Waltsoph overreacting and making up stuff again" or is it "the sudden influx of crazy restrictions really have gone so far they will destroy the genre and maybe some others too"?

I find the games without stories really boring. The ones which are just CG models that do stuff. -_-

BTW if you want to pretend to be surfing from Japan, you can try these proxies:

http://www.hidemyass.com/proxy-list/Japan/fast/show-planetlab/0/

(I haven't had any success, but I haven't tried for long)

Disappointing about Minori, it just makes it look like they have something to hide, but in the whole they're just defending themselves. I didn't think their stuff was extreme anyway?

[TougeSil80]

I think Minori is doing the right thing. I hope more companies will follow suit. Eroge are made for the Japanese audience only, this will get their point across.

[tenshi_a]

I think Minori is doing the right thing. I hope more companies will follow suit. Eroge are made for the Japanese audience only, this will get their point across.
I hope they don't. Even outside of eroge, it's often difficult to find info on some Japanese games outside of the official website from the publisher. It would be a terrible trend to follow. Most games have "FOR JAPAN ONLY" printed on the back, but everyone's just "lalalala, sorry I am a foreigner but I want to give you money anyway", and we're all happy. If they start enforcing that because they think all foreigners are hostile and scary and want to shut them down, well... both parties lose.

Re: Minori, there's a link from the english wikipedia page (at the very bottom) to a japanese proxy server so you can access the site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minori -> http://www.ijapan.org/

[Hajime Saitou]

:|.......unbelievable...un..freaking.. believable!

Congratulations Japan you have just destroyed hentai games. Seriously..whats the point of playing one now!? They have basically stripped everything that makes a story important.

So now all i seee from this is good guy clean sex games and thats all it is now. Wait i'm sorry they may not even have a story it may probably be pick your woman then go have a good time with em and afterwards The End.

You seriously need to start your own blog, and then give me the link to it so I can read it regularly. :lol:

Anyway, I was under the impression that the EOCS wasn't even meeting until July. This might be from someone else, or just a temporary precautionary move. But, assuming it's real, let's see... There is ocasionally one loli character, even in games that have nothing else on the list, so I guess those will be gone, and the "not by blood" incest angle is also present sometimes, so that's probably getting the axe too. Other than those two things, I'm completely unaffected by anything else on the list. So I'm still fine with this from a consumer standpoint, just as I'm fine with these things still being there as I can simply choose not to play ones that have things I don't want to see.

There are only a few things that would affect me if they were banned, and I'm not seeing that happening anytime soon. They are, in order of most to least likely to get banned:

1. Kissing
2. Hugging
3. Holding hands
4. Having a storySorry I forgot this one is already gone.

So back to this potentially being real, the scope of these restrictions is far too broad. Quite a few of them are simply different ways to describe rape, so I'm not surprised to see them mentioned, but there are some ones on there that seem very out of place. All they needed to do was add one rule: Nothing forced, not even when she ends up liking it in the end(because this isn't used a lot or anything ;)). That would cover things that could otherwise be considered ok, although maybe not "normal," like bondage, or multiple play(which I have to assume means 3+ people going at it). Hopefully it's not the final draft, if it's even a draft at all, just for the sake of not banning things.

[TougeSil80]

I hope they don't. Even outside of eroge, it's often difficult to find info on some Japanese games outside of the official website from the publisher. It would be a terrible trend to follow. Most games have "FOR JAPAN ONLY" printed on the back, but everyone's just "lalalala, sorry I am a foreigner but I want to give you money anyway", and we're all happy. If they start enforcing that because they think all foreigners are hostile and scary and want to shut them down, well... both parties lose.

Re: Minori, there's a link from the english wikipedia page (at the very bottom) to a japanese proxy server so you can access the site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minori -> http://www.ijapan.org/

They should enforce this. If Illusion would've made Rapelay only playable on Japanese Windows, none of thes whole mess would've started. The importer wouldn't put the game on Amazon. True foreign fans will have ways to get around it, but it prevents (or at least deters) these foreign groups from messing with it.

[tenshi_a]

I'm not sure if it's possible to region restrict a PC title like that. Is it?

You don't get many Japanese PC games available to English-speaking buyers, generally. Not in large volume. The vast majority of the import games you see on sale on ebay are console games (region restircted ones at that!), and it was a third party seller on Amazon USA, the games industry all over the world seem to have pressurised Amazon into not selling game software to overseas customers. If I go to Amazon USA I can't buy American games 1st party to ship to England. If I go to Amazon Japan I can't buy Japanese games 1st party to ship to England. Only if software is miscategorised or a third party seller adds the game themselves can import games be sold.

It really was in the minority case that this game was on sale in the US. And, I believe that the reason it was on sale was because the seller realised it had selling potential because of its notoriety. And the notoriety came because it has "RAPE" in the title.

So, banning words from titles seems like a good idea. Especially words in english that mean rape.

The spread of information in the 21st century is too wide to hope to hide what one country is doing just by putting up barriers, it's no real prevention - you'll see that if you just watch some of the coverage of the events in Iran on the news.

[TougeSil80]

I'm pretty sure it would be possible to restrict what version of Windows a game will run on. Just like GTA4 wouldn't run until I updated from XP SP2 to SP3. Of course crackers can crack it, but still, it's another barrier that they have to break. If all companies restricted their games to Japanese Windows only, importers wouldn't even bother to sell the game in US (and UK).

[waltsoph3]

When did this part of the restriction come in? I think I missed the post that said that games are no longer allowed to have stories.

Is this just "Waltsoph overreacting and making up stuff again" or is it "the sudden influx of crazy restrictions really have gone so far they will destroy the genre and maybe some others too"?

I find the games without stories really boring. The ones which are just CG models that do stuff. -_-



..sometimes I wondered if you've joined the the cheap shot 'lets find ways to pwned waltsoph3 today" team. :(

When it comes to this story itself how can you say i'm overreacting? I waited till i heard more about the ban as more news come out about it. I didn't just decide this overnight.

Btw I'm not "overreacting"..i'm PISSED OFF! Look at this ban list again if you guys haven't read it:

Rape
Loli
Gang Rape
Sexual violence (陵辱)
Cruel sexual play (鬼畜)
Reverse rape
Shoujo
Forbidden sex (相姦)
Reverse sexual violence (逆陵辱)
Forced (強要)
Multiple play (複数プレイ)
School council (生徒会)
Bestiality
Bondage
Threaten
Train groping (車内わいせつ)
Enjo Kousai (wikipedia link)(dont even know what this is i havn't looked lol )
Incest
Torture
Bind tightly (緊縛)
Pregnant
Rape (強姦) (another way to refer to rape)
Slave
Pregnant woman
Imprisonment
Impregnation

What do all of these have in common!? There all story elements. Some have nothing to do with rape. Your right they haven't banned stories themselves but what do we have left to use for plots for hentai games? Pretty much only good guy boring stuff. In stories theres good guys and bad guys. Variety is important. Its what brings out the character.

Look..there are somethings on this list i personally would agree to ban..yet still is that my right to force my views on others? Espically when the games were marketed for adults. They should have the right to choose what to play as long as the characters are of appropriate adult age and have an adult appearance.


Thats why i said they have been stripped. This is a blow and a devastating crippling blow to hentai fans! Enough is enough!! They don't like the games then don't play it! I'm soo sick and tired of "experts" using forms of entertainment as a scapegoat target for real life problems. Fiction needs to stop being attacked. Espiccaly when were talking about entertainment meant for adults only. Sigh....

I still can't believe this...please tell me this is all a nightmare and wake me up.


@ the i should start a blog comment..

no thank you.-_-; lol but i do sometimes post somethings in my vistor box.

[Leader Desslock]

To the people who said in the beginning "I don't play rape games so it doesn't effect me" well, I bet it does now.
Bet all you want, but it still doesn't affect me in the slightest. :P

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Btw I'm not "overreacting"..i'm PISSED OFF! Look at this ban list again if you guys haven't read it:

Rape
Loli
Gang Rape
Sexual violence (陵辱)
Cruel sexual play (鬼畜)
Reverse rape
Shoujo
Forbidden sex (相姦)
Reverse sexual violence (逆陵辱)
Forced (強要)
Multiple play (複数プレイ)
School council (生徒会)
Bestiality
Bondage
Threaten
Train groping (車内わいせつ)
Enjo Kousai (wikipedia link)(dont even know what this is i havn't looked lol )
Incest
Torture
Bind tightly (緊縛)
Pregnant
Rape (強姦) (another way to refer to rape)
Slave
Pregnant woman
Imprisonment
Impregnation

What do all of these have in common!? There all story elements. Some have nothing to do with rape. Your right they haven't banned stories themselves but what do we have left to use for plots for hentai games? Pretty much only good guy boring stuff. In stories theres good guys and bad guys. Variety is important. Its what brings out the character.



My god man. I don't even know what half that stuff is, and I'm Pons!

[Ken-Ohki]

Thought this would be interesting to share and somewhat related. There's apparently a guy in Japan who has kept track of true blood related incest trends in Japanese eroge starting in 2004. A strange list perhaps.

http://www.k2.dion.ne.jp/~chitei/jitumai/sonota/jitugimaihikaku.html

The titles in red are true incest while black is not related by blood (blue in the totals). Since 2004 had 6 blood related and 9 non blood related incest routes the numbers are now favoring true blood related incest with 2009 already having 15 blood related incest routes compared to 11 non blood related.

So it seems that a popular trend among eroge is now gone.

I realized this decision even effects me who doesn't play eroge anymore and hasn't for years because titles like Akaneiro which is based on a blood related incest story will never survive long enough to be made into anime.

Edit:

And while I understand that many people will be put off by the whole concept of incest in any media the little sister route has always been popular (think Da Capo). Apparently in recent years this popularity has shifted from adoptive/step siblings to full blood relations. I would guess because of the often overused tripe SUDDENLY NOT BLOOD RELATED which I would imagine upsets fans.

[TougeSil80]

Bet all you want, but it still doesn't affect me in the slightest. :P

Well, I guess if you don't play eroge at all then yeah, it doesn't affect you. But for eroge players, even dating sims will have to change some of it's storylines, since words and CGs related to Student Council and Shoujo are not longer allowed. So they will be affected.

[animeotaku99]

Student Council is banned? an after school organization? That has nothing to do with that evil man-word, rape

[Ken-Ohki]

Yeah Student Council is a pretty weird distinction and I don't see how it's unrelated to shoujo which simply means young girls.

Without shoujo there's no more high school visual novels; goodbye Kanon, Air, Shuffle!, Da Capo, Little Busters EX, and all such related games. Truly tragic if you ask me.

The ones that get me are the ones between consenting adults like bondage, cruel sexual play, imprisonment (assuming it's consensual imprisonment), and anything to do with pregnancy. Enjo Kousai for those who don't know is paying underage girls for dating services and is (presumably) innocent dating.

From now on all topics such as those will have to be through doujin circles. There's a doujin game maker that put out a series of games that were loli titles that didn't even shy away from saying the girls are 10 year old 5th graders. Can't remember the title off hand but that rule was in place for years and it failed to stop those doujin makers.

[animeotaku99]

May hope is that this is all a bandage to appease these feminists.
And like with the "loli ban" they will find a way around it or just ignore it all together. Probably quit the ECOS

Question: Is this a Japanese feminist group?

[loplop]

Actually the group concerned here is based in New York, NY. That's one of the things that has brought out the hate that's being going on with this.

[BloodyValtiel]

Actually the group concerned here is based in New York, NY. That's one of the things that has brought out the hate that's being going on with this.

Women Against Pornography Feminists, or The anti-free speech feminist group known as Equality Now?

[Removed Link]
*sigh*
Feminists have lost their own way.

Edited: Roger, DocWatson.
http://www.equalitynow.org/english/actions/action_3301_en.html
Equality Now's an article regarding the criticism over Rapelay, rather anti-free speech statement.

By the way, people - Have you seen the "Recommended Actions" on the below of the article? <_<

[animeotaku99]

wait.... a bunch of American feminists are telling another country what to do? why don't they just tell them to plug their vags and shut up

[Ken-Ohki]

As I look into the new ban I'm realizing that it's one online retailer. That doesn't seem like it will effect the business much at all. Unless I'm mistaken companies are free to make whatever games they want unless under the EOCS in which case they can't make loli or rape games.

Can someone more familiar with Japanese eroge economics shed some light on how this will effect the manufacturing of eroge?

[animeotaku99]

eroge+economics=ergonomics

[Hajime Saitou]

It should be obvious why school council is mentioned, and shoujo in this case is there for the same reason. They're getting rid of references to the fact that the characters are underage. Before they'd just avoid saying their age, but of course it was still obvious so now they're removing references to high school. This isn't just a rape ban.

eroge+economics=ergonomics

:lol:

[craftruth]

Bowing to US pressure the Japanese government has now banned the manufacturing or sale of rape games. Article in Japanese:
http://news.tbs.co.jp/newseye/tbs_newseye4143799.html

Thought I should pass on the news to the Hentai section.


IT"S ABOUT TIME

Now were getting somewhere!

[craftruth]

wait.... a bunch of American feminists are telling another country what to do? why don't they just tell them to plug their vags and shut up
No Japan needs listen to US in the states. The Feminists are in the Right!@Remember we rebuilt their country after World War II

[animeotaku99]

^WTF is with this troll?
hey buddy what if I told you that you couldn't own something that you enjoyed?

[Ken-Ohki]

I agree with animeotaku. Your posts seem inflammatory and will only service to bring argument to the forums. Please use discretion when you post.

[waltsoph3]

wait.... a bunch of American feminists are telling another country what to do?

Well in fairness its not just the US leading the charge on this. There is in japan the Anti Pornography and Prostitution Research Group mentioned in the article.

eroge+economics=ergonomics

Lol! That was good. Thats catchy! I like it!

I just looked at that Equality Now article and i'm now getting deeply concerned with hentai's future.

These deffently caught my eye about the article 5(a)

Article 5(a) of CEDAW( Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women )
Japan has an obligation under Article 5 “to modify the social and cultural patterns of conduct of men and women, with a view to achieving the elimination of prejudices and customary and all other practices which are based on the idea of the inferiority or the superiority of either of the sexes or on stereotyped roles for men and women.”

Also article 14:
Constitution guarantees equality under the law and states that there shall be no “discrimination in political, economic or social relations because of race, creed, sex, social status or family origin.”


This fictional stuff has been out for a long time..NOW all of a sudden these groups want to go after it!? They really make it sound like in the article that this stuff "promotes" people to go out and do this horrible stuff to others in real life.

Its important we make sure fiction stays where it belongs in the end..in the fiction world! And espiccally when it comes to hentai the hentai makers need to make sure the characters are of approprite age( as in legal age) and have an adult appearance.

Still none of that may even matter anymore. :(
I really have to wonder if they will use these clauses not just for hentai but anime themes as well. Only time will tell.


PS: FYI
( I want to make one thing clear when it comes to woman with me in Real Life..I have nothing but respect for them. Actualy it goes beyond respect. I consider ladies to be the most wonderful value of life. There defently not tools or trophies. I have no problems with ladies wanting to be treated fairly and as human beings in real life. I just want to make that perfectly clear so no one here gets the wrong idea of why i'm on the defense about this whole hentai rape ban thing. )

[TougeSil80]

No Japan needs listen to US in the states. The Feminists are in the Right!@Remember we rebuilt their country after World War II

Well, imagine if Saudi Arabia become a world power and Al-Qaeda demands the US banning women from driving, holding office, and voting, would you be happy about it? This is what the feminist groups try to do here. They are trying to limit Japanese eroge writers' freedom of speech.

[tenshi_a]

Or you could look at it like the Taliban in Afghanistan abusing and oppressing women and the rest of the world saying "hey, that's really bad". You know how that one went, right?

Regardless of the details, you can see how people are approaching this when they just see look at this from the outside, can't you?

[BloodyValtiel]

No Japan needs listen to US in the states. The Feminists are in the Right!@Remember we rebuilt their country after World War II

After the World War II..? Just because of that, Japan must to comply with the demands from Feminists in U.S.A.? Is that supposed joke or what?
I'm sorry but that is anti-freedom and goes against everything of the "freedom" in what U.S.A. stands for.


If I want to play a game that portrays rape, I should have every right to do so. Why? - because it's JUST A GAME! No one is being raped - all it is a fictional portrayal just like we see on TV or read in books. What's next? Are we going to ban all books and movies that include rape scenes?

I play games where many people are murdered - that seems to be permitted by the ESRB - why is simulation rape worse than simulation mass murder?

It seems some folks are more than willing to sacrifice my freedoms on the altar of their morality. I will never be able to accept that as the right thing to do. If you find the game objectionable, you have every right not to buy it. But you have no right telling me that I should be happy when the ESRB tells me what I can and can't do with my spare time.

<_<

[Leader Desslock]

If I want to play a game that portrays rape, I should have every right to do so.
And you do have every right to do so.

Stop - read that again.

If you're a citizen of the US, you do have the right to play such a game. You have every right to play such a game, and nobody can really take that away from you. We're talking about First Amendment rights, here.

Of course, just because the First Amendment guarantees your right as a US citizen to play certain games, that doesn't mean it has any bearing whatsoever on whether someone in another country can make and distribute such a game.

Maybe they can't make them by some law punishable by death. Maybe they've just collectively banded together and decided that such content is ultimately detrimental to their culture, so they've all decided not to make them. Maybe they done got religion. Maybe one single company ha decided not to distribute content of that nature beyond their national shores.

Whatever the case, nobody on this Earth is under any obligation to provide you with a rape simulation game. Just because you can play one, that doesn't mean anyone has to make one for you.

But you're still right! Yes! You still have every right to play such a game. So here's a thought - why don't you and your like-minded friends go out and write your own? Then you can play them to your heart's content, and you can even pick up a few bucks by distributing them both domestically to your niche, as well as exporting them to what remains of your comrades in Japan.

You do what you want, you leave them to run their lives however they see fit, and then everyone can be happy.

I think it sounds like a perfectly legitimate plan.

It sure as hell beats listening to a bunch of otaku with socially questionable tastes whine about how the business decisions of people in other countries might deprive them of some 'fun' to which they evidently feel some sort of entitlement.

[animeotaku99]

This is getting dangerous.... on 2ch's eroge industry have been quite depressing lately. Many have had their projects canceled or employees that specialize in any of the above "banned" material concerned that they will not be able to get another job. Even a person at a small type eroge developer committing suicide at the down fall of his business that this has caused.

I am still hoping that this 'self regulation' by the industry is enough to keep the government away from enacting a law binding ban and it will all blow over in afew month once the feminist stop bleeding

[waltsoph3]

Even a person at a small type eroge developer committing suicide at the down fall of his business that this has caused.



Man really!? Do you have an article about that story? I would appricate it.

[animeotaku99]

Sorry I am quoting it from Hongfire, which was posting from 2ch.

plus there is more....

Owner of Tachibana shoten in Akiba arrested


Game director, scenario writer, and AV director Toriyama Jin reports on his blog that:

1) On the 23rd of June, police have done a search on the Akihabara branch of Tachibana shoten. The shop owner is arrested. It is not known exactly the reason he was put under arrest for, but it is likely for distribution of indecent material.

2) Many of the products that were taken as evidence were of the loli genre. The exact titles are not known, but it is likely that they are games by either brand R or brand M.

3) The most likely reason why the police have tried to charge tachibana shoten for distribution of indecent material is because they wanted to have a scenario where somebody was arrested, in time for the meeting on the 26th of June where the Liberal Democratic Party, Komeito, and Democratic Party of Japan are meeting to discuss changing the existing child porn laws. However as tachibana shoten was quite thorough in keeping in line with the law. One likely theory is that they were unable to charge tachibana shoten under child porn laws, and instead are trying to use distribution of indecent material so they would still have a case where somebody has been arrested.

Toriyama Jin says he had already known that the police were stepping up before the meeting on the 26th as there have been an increase in arrests related to the child porn laws over the last week, but did not expect a bookstore would become a victim and that they would use distribution of indecent material to make a case as child porn laws did not cover “fake” loli.

On top of that, the place where they did a house search was in Akihabara, no matter how you look at it, the police is obviously trying to assist the LDP and the Komeito. When this gets reported, Toriyama suspects there’s a high chance that it will probably be used to mislead viewers that there is a need for stronger child porn laws.

The stuff above contains a little speculation, but Toriyama writes that he has confirmed the information from two different sources, so the main points should be true.

Also the 2ch thread for eroge industry people to post in has become quite depressing over the past days with posts where industry people talk about how they had their projects canceled or a writer who specializes in rape and sexual violence stories wondering how he can possibly find a new job now, and even one report from somebody who claims his friend at a small eroge development house had commited suicide as they were already doing pretty bad and now had to give up their next game project which meant the company had no chance of survival (info cannot be confirmed).

[waltsoph3]

Wow thats new news to me. I didn't know japan was talking about child porn laws on june 26. I wonder what there going after in this discussion.

[animeotaku99]

I'm sure the "child porn" is just some loli hentai and the yare trying to make n example out of him.
I hope he doesn't get any jail time though. Japanese prisons are HARSH, like borderline human rights violations

[animeotaku99]

OK people, moves are being made to effect anime and manga as well. No more mangas with high school guys soon! The industry needs to stand up tall and tell them all to **** off.
The guy that was arrested was done so for political leverage.
I think we need to burn down all the headquarters of this feminist group. ready your cocktails men!

[loplop]

OK people, moves are being made to effect anime and manga as well. No more mangas with high school guys soon! The industry needs to stand up tall and tell them all to **** off.
The guy that was arrested was done so for political leverage.
I think we need to burn down all the headquarters of this feminist group. ready your cocktails men!

Please be sure to get your facts straight. The guy in Akihabara was reported to have Photographic loli (Junior Idols) in his possession & Tachibana Shoten was also selling "no mosaic" porno photos which is banned in Japan, by several sources (blog.livedoor.jp). That's completely different thing from the moves against eroge materials.

[Ken-Ohki]

The plot thickens

http://www.product.co.jp/

[animeotaku99]

A lot of developers are doing that.
This is quickly getting out of control, manga and anime are in their sights so no more stuff like CLannad, Da Capo ect

Since Downloaded games might not be effected, they are trying to stop the flow to those outside the US

[waltsoph3]

The plot thickens

http://www.product.co.jp/

what was that from?

[animeotaku99]

A site that sells ero-games. I think it is mostly games like Clannad and Kanon not Taimanin Asagi
but we all kow that even visual novels are in danger

[loplop]

Actually, It only three sites at this time. Minori, Product.jp, & Yuzu Soft are the ones who are being xenophobic. Cross check what you read on sites like Sankaku Complex & others . . . . I really don't think you'll get a true read on what is really going on until after the upcoming Japanese elections . . .

[HSaabedra]

Actually, It only three sites at this time. Minori, Product.jp, & Yuzu Soft are the ones who are being xenophobic. Cross check what you read on sites like Sankaku Complex & others . . . . I really don't think you'll get a true read on what is really going on until after the upcoming Japanese elections . . .

Why do I get the feeling the flashpoint to all this is due to elections coming up and the recent activity being a smokescreen to distract people?

[animeotaku99]

Hopefully that is the case and it will all blow over after that.
But the thing is, It is not politicans, yet, that are coming up with this stuff. It is the developers themselves to try and prevent the governmenet from censoring the public

[loplop]

Why do I get the feeling the flashpoint to all this is due to elections coming up and the recent activity being a smokescreen to distract people?

I agree with HSaabedra. It's all being fueled by politics. Plain and simple. The ruling party is trying to look like they are doing something in some circles and using proxies to stir up trouble. It's been done before many times in history with different things.

Eroge is a easy mark that is not going to have a lot of defenders to rally to it's cause. The fans on the home front in Japan need to step up and call a spade a spade in this situation . . .

[TougeSil80]

New fax from the EOCS with schedule


A new fax from the EOCS has been sent out and as with previous faxes companies are still not allowed to release any of the information for some reason. But the same guy that leaked info on the previous fax had appeared in 2ch again with some of the new details.

New judging criteria will start from October, all sales of older rape games will also have to stop, no matter if they’re downloadable games or physical package games.
The period from 5th June to 31st September will be the changeover period where rape games will still be allowed to a certain extent, and the new restrictions will go full force starting from October. Games released sometime by the end of the year will most likely still be okay as games go through the judging process earlier before the actual release.
Shoujo (girl) and school council keywords managed to escape from the list of NG words.
Normally big decisions like this would need to be done through official meetings where companies can show their disapproval, but the EOCS is really forcing it in this time, and the person leaking the info suspects the EOCS is under huge pressure for them to be doing something like that. However he does not know if there are any other entities pressuring the EOCS other than the politicians.
CSA’s regulations will be released next week apparently so some are waiting to see how that goes.
The person who leaked the info says he thought they might be able to do something if he gathers 30 companies that he knows personally, but he contacted 5 companies and they were all talking about quitting the industry.
Via: エロゲ表現規制対策本部 104

Eroge programmer Kenji Kakera also mentions on his blog that they received the fax too. He can’t release any of the information in the fax, but he wonders what is the point of the EOCS existing anyway, and comments that this is all so stupid that it’s meaningless to even think about it.

Also it was mentioned a few times in the comments, but that certain Japanese site getting a lot of attention right now has too many Japanese comments in that post that is bashing a certain site that I don’t want to mention and don’t want to get involved with, so I’m not going to make a post about it.



http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/07/01/new-fax-from-the-eocs-with-schedule/

We got a few more months of good hardcore games left, get them while you can.

[DocWatson]

Since both the EOCS and the CSA are voluntary industry groups, the game companies could just do what the "indie" porn video companies did and form another groups, one with looser restrictions.

[animeotaku99]

That is disgusting and it makes me sick to my stomach.
There isn't even a grandfather clause....
Did other "word" escape the list also? What about Pregnancy? Are the feminist trying to say women shouldn't get pregnant?
I hope this guy can get those 30 companies together. But 5 are possibly going to go under, I hope Japan is willing to pay for all those lives they destroyed.

And this will not just effect ero-games but also visual novels like Clannad.

[b09h]

Me personally I do not like rape games, but I do not mind if other plays them. After all these games are not real, a normal person should be able to distinguish fantasy from reality.

What bothers me is that those games are legal in Japan and they change the law and make these games illegal, because of pressure from the US. That what I have heard

Why does US has the right to alter other countries law. Japan has no reason to follow them. After doing so, the economy would get hurt, even if it is a portion of the Hentai industry. People should mind their own ****ing business. If these games are really that bad, it should be decided by the Japanese people and government if these games should be banned

[TougeSil80]

I agree. But apparently the Japanese politicians are spinning this as "improving international perception of Japan", so people eat it up. The US laws for these stuff are rediculous, some manga collector got sentensed to 15 years for just having some loli manga.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/05/manga-porn/

[Leader Desslock]

I agree. But apparently the Japanese politicians are spinning this as "improving international perception of Japan", so people eat it up.
Interesting. People feel that the US should just "butt out" of Japanese affairs, but when Japanese politicians decide to clean up a sector of the Japanese entertainment industry, folks cry foul.

How about if we let the Japanese decide what it is they want to do within their own borders? If the US should butt out when it comes to telling them what to do, we should butt out when it comes to second guessing their internal decisions as well, I should think.

The US laws for these stuff are rediculous
Really? To my knowledge, a game containing rape scenes (provided all depicted characters are adults) would be perfectly legal in the US, as I stated early in this thread. Perhaps you could enlighten me on which laws you feel such a game would violate.

some manga collector got sentensed to 15 years for just having some loli manga.
Ummm... no. Some manga collector "remains free pending a yet-to-be scheduled sentencing date", according to the article you linked but evidently didn't take the time to read yourself. And if he is sentenced to fifteen years, it will not be "for just having some loli manga", but for pleading guilty to charges of mailing obscene materials and "possession of obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children", according to that same article.

If you're going to bother to link an article, could you at least take the time to read it yourself? Particularly when it pertains to a topic as flammable as the Handley case?

[TougeSil80]

Ummm... no. Some manga collector "remains free pending a yet-to-be scheduled sentencing date", according to the article you linked but evidently didn't take the time to read yourself. And if he is sentenced to fifteen years, it will not be "for just having some loli manga", but for pleading guilty to charges of mailing obscene materials and "possession of obscene visual representations of the sexual abuse of children", according to that same article.

If you're going to bother to link an article, could you at least take the time to read it yourself? Particularly when it pertains to a topic as flammable as the Handley case?

He went for the plead basically even his lawyer doesn't see a way to win this. The Protect Act does prohibit "(1) (A) depicts a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct; and (B) is obscene;" so basically any loli sex would fall under this definition.

Chase says he recommended the plea agreement (.pdf) to his client because he didn’t think he could convince a jury to acquit him once they’d seen the images in question. The lawyer declined to describe the details. “If they can imagine it, they drew it,” he says. “Use your imagination. It was there.”

That is what his lawyer said, so I'm guess he probably have some tentacle rape loli hentai, but he has no real child porn in his collection.

“This stuff is huge in Japan, in all of Asia,” Lunning says. Handley, she adds, “is not a pedophile. He had no photographs of child pornography.”

So I don't see how any loli eroge would be legal in the US.

[waltsoph3]

@TougeSil80

Touge..I'm gonna save you from a load of pain. Please don't even bother getting into the Handley story. I've already disputed it too much on AN and theres just no point anymore. :(
Your more then welcomed to look at my past posts in other sections that got locked because i tried so much to question it too.

trust me on this..theres no point. I don't want this thread getting flamed and locked too.:(

Lets try to stay focused on this thread with the rape games and other Ero games being discussed of being banned.

I'm still waiting for more information myself on the bans since EOCS is insiting this ban list stays with just the companies and not to the public.
We'll find out soon. :(

[TougeSil80]

Well, except for US and Canada, I'm sure there are still a lot of countries that doesn't have child porn laws or strict obscenity laws, so some bigger companies can move their operations to those countries. Just like we don't see torrent sites being hosted in the US anymore, but they moved to Netherland and Ukraine.

[Ken-Ohki]

Newest News in rape games under fire. A new game has come out by a group called Syrup. The title was changed from Machigurumi rinkan to the name Machigurumi no wana or in English Gang Rape by the Entire Village to Trap Set by the Entire Village. NO CONTENT IN THE GAME WAS CHANGED. The game apparently is still a rape game.

Source from Canned Dogs:
http://zepy.momotato.com/2009/06/01/first-effects-of-coming-changes-in-eroge/