Chapter 443 *Spoilers*

[DarkNataku]

Nothing special it took all chapter for Naruto to get to Nagato's location. Apparently they moved from a mountain to some giant tree made of paper thanks to Konan.

[ffl]

No, they were always on a mountain, in which Konan had hidden them within a paper tree.

I wouldn't say that "nothing special" happened, but it wasn't as action-packed as the previous chapters, which is fine since it's getting to the dialogue parts that will build up the characters more. This seems to be the lead-up to Hokage Naruto.

[Kcets]

This seems to be the lead-up to Hokage Naruto.

Something along those lines. I believe that the majority of dialouge that occured in the issue had the sole purpose of demonstrating how everyone views Naruto as a superior.

[Brill]

Two words: Transition Chapter. Does Naruto need to take out 3 more Pains on the way to Nagato for it to be meaningful? Hinata is in the clear and crying when she heard Naruto was alright. The panel where both Sakura and Hinata were shocked that Naruto went in alone. Which one do you think is going to go after him first? Katsuya is going to tree in and lead them there, I bet. Naruto showed some real poise and maturity dealing with the advance team, alot more than his former idealistic self. I'm really looking forward to the next chapter. I still think Danzou's men are going to pop out and kill Nagato so the cycle of violence can continue-but hey-there could be some interesting dailogue to see.

I really don't see Naruto becoming the Hokage anymore. Hokage perpetuate the circle of violence, they are part of the problem. Naruto will probably becomes the wandering Hokage, helping old ladies cross the road and critic of roadside ramen shops.

[Tidusauron12]

I really don't see Naruto becoming the Hokage anymore. Hokage perpetuate the circle of violence, they are part of the problem. Naruto will probably becomes the wandering Hokage, helping old ladies cross the road and critic of roadside ramen shops.

I lol'd. :lol:

[DarkNataku]

I really don't see Naruto becoming the Hokage anymore. Hokage perpetuate the circle of violence, they are part of the problem. Naruto will probably becomes the wandering Hokage, helping old ladies cross the road and critic of roadside ramen shops.

@Brill: So how did Tsunade keep the cycle going?

@FFL: Weren't they in a cave though?

And when did he jump into Sage Mode. Like he was expecting an attack.

[ZechsMerquise1]

@Brill
How did Tsunade keep the cycle going? She was just trying to protect the village 0_o That's like saying, If someone tries to steal from you, and you have a weapon...just let them take it lol

[Brill]

Well, what are the Kage? The Kage were the answer to the perpetual cycle of violence that Pain is tryihng to stop. Villages'd pick the strongest ninja and they'd protect the village and that was supposed to stop the circle of violence. Did it work? No. It just masked the problem and caused others to be generated in its place i.e. people made Jinchyuuricki (sp?) and forbidden jutsu like Ororchimaru did to focus on the Kages. So the Kage solution isn't fixing the problem, so it needs to be changed if "progress" is to happen.

Does this mean Naruto becomes Super-Kage who reigns over everyone? Nah. I think you need to dump the whole Kage system and try something new. That'd be worthy of the child of destiny. What that will be? I have absolutely no clue.

[Big Shot]

Hey guys, this cahpter confused the hell (no pun) outta me.

1. How can Naruto reach sage mode so soon after the battle, wasn't he out of chakra?

2. How come Pain didn't have the spinning mark on his body where the rasengan hit?

[Kcets]

1. How can Naruto reach sage mode so soon after the battle, wasn't he out of chakra?

He sat still for a bit, lulz.

[Big Shot]

^ haha, nice

I think it could have something to do with him stabbing himself with the chakra transmitter. It would be pretty f-ing awesome if he actually recharged with Nagato's chakra.

[adadqgg]

^Nagato's chakra is not sage chakra...

or is it?

[ffl]

@FFL: Weren't they in a cave though?


It looks like a cave, but you can see when he enters the tree that the cave-like area exists within the tree. They probably just entered a stump and Konan covered them up with a paper tree.

[final flash]

It looks like a cave, but you can see when he enters the tree that the cave-like area exists within the tree. They probably just entered a stump and Konan covered them up with a paper tree.

thats most likely

[GusGus]

This manga is going down the toilet very fast, the fight was too dragon ballish and cliche, and it really bothers me how Naruto became stronger than the whole village just because he trained for a few days. It's just ridiculous.

[adadqgg]

^Did you not know??? He is TEH CHOSEN 1!!!!!!!1111

Lolololol.

Yeah, it gets worse every chapter.

Next chapter: "Confession"

[Jinto117]

This manga is going down the toilet very fast, the fight was too dragon ballish and cliche, and it really bothers me how Naruto became stronger than the whole village just because he trained for a few days. It's just ridiculous.

Did you forget this was a shounen?

[ffl]

This manga is going down the toilet very fast, the fight was too dragon ballish and cliche, and it really bothers me how Naruto became stronger than the whole village just because he trained for a few days. It's just ridiculous.

Too Dragonball-ish and cliche? I don't think any part of it that I read reminded me of Dragonball, and even if it did, I don't see how something being like Dragonball would send it "down the toilet" seeing how successful Dragonball was and still is.

Really though, when a character faces off against Pain, a guy who soloed Konoha successfully, I don't see how in a one-on-six fight a character that is anything less than epic will be able to defeat him. Because Naruto did it himself, it shouldn't be taken as a negative point against the manga. Rather, in the context of the manga, it's Naruto's most successful point in battle. Before this battle, his most successful point was against Gaara. In both cases, he did an epic job defending his home. People who like Naruto, the character, were getting tired of him getting the shaft in his fights, but this fight demonstrated the aspects of Naruto that his fans love.

In regards to his time spent training, it was likely longer than just a "few days". He started training during Taka's encounter with Killer Bee, and there was most likely quite a bit of time between that and the beginning of Pain's invasion in Konoha. Also, even before mastering Sage mode, he was a lot stronger than a large number of the village's shinobi. Creating the Fuuton Rasenshuriken demonstrated that quite well. His skills may not be as varied as other shinobi, but when it comes to battle, that is one of his strong points.

Another of his strong points will be illustrated in the next chapter, just as one was illustrated in this chapter.

[final flash]

Too Dragonball-ish and cliche? I don't think any part of it that I read reminded me of Dragonball, and even if it did, I don't see how something being like Dragonball would send it "down the toilet" seeing how successful Dragonball was and still is.

Really though, when a character faces off against Pain, a guy who soloed Konoha successfully, I don't see how in a one-on-six fight a character that is anything less than epic will be able to defeat him. Because Naruto did it himself, it shouldn't be taken as a negative point against the manga. Rather, in the context of the manga, it's Naruto's most successful point in battle. Before this battle, his most successful point was against Gaara. In both cases, he did an epic job defending his home. People who like Naruto, the character, were getting tired of him getting the shaft in his fights, but this fight demonstrated the aspects of Naruto that his fans love.

In regards to his time spent training, it was likely longer than just a "few days". He started training during Taka's encounter with Killer Bee, and there was most likely quite a bit of time between that and the beginning of Pain's invasion in Konoha. Also, even before mastering Sage mode, he was a lot stronger than a large number of the village's shinobi. Creating the Fuuton Rasenshuriken demonstrated that quite well. His skills may not be as varied as other shinobi, but when it comes to battle, that is one of his strong points.

Another of his strong points will be illustrated in the next chapter, just as one was illustrated in this chapter.

what FFL said

[Tidusauron12]

what FFL said

If you were going to say that, then why quote a giant wall of text just above your post? :lol:

[adadqgg]

what FFL said

Not the "defending his home" part... his home was already in rubbles...

And I thought Ninjas have team for a reason... this just went from "Friendship + Teamwork conquers ALL" to "One-man-Army GODH4X plotarmor *** saves the world"...

[ffl]

Not the "defending his home" part... his home was already in rubbles...

And I thought Ninjas have team for a reason... this just went from "Friendship + Teamwork conquers ALL" to "One-man-Army GODH4X plotarmor *** saves the world"...

Well, a home is more than just a place, right? Even though the village was turned to rubble, his friends and the villagers were still there.

Hm, I was going to mention the team thing, but what was I going to say... oh yeah, I remember now. There is the team aspect to consider, but in order to show that Naruto is on the road to being a worthy Hokage, as well as avenging his senseis, he had to be given a fight and a win, one-on-one... relatively speaking. It was the same with Shikamaru when he avenged Asuma. It's touching upon a theme of dealing with one's personal demons or problems, in my opinion.

Character analysis aside, Naruto also needed the one-on-one fight in order to accurately show his power status in comparison to Sasuke. Sasuke's gotten more than his fair share of epic solo battles that he's seen to the end... so selfish. <_<

[GusGus]

Many of the powers shown in this fight were too dragon ball, the Ninja feeling it's lost, it was just a bunch of "ultra powerful I can destroy the world if I blink" stuff. The fight between Oro and the third was great and very different from any shonen I saw before, so it was the fight between Zabusa and Team 7, this was just another shonen fight.

But the worst thing is how Naruto's transition has been done, specially this last power up, Jiraya never could get the Sage mode totally right in his whole life and suddenly Naruto get it in a few days or lets say a few weeks.

Now the whole village it's irrelevant; kakashi, guy, the gyuga clan, the fifth, anbu, all are nothing, cause Naruto it's god powerful and doesn't need their help, in fact, like it was mention many times, they could just get in Naruto's way if they try to help him.

Like ffl said, Naruto wan't getting the spot light, and now suddenly he's better than Kakashi, Jiraya, and fifth rolled into one, and that is just poor writing.

[Jinto117]

Many of the powers shown in this fight were too dragon ball, the Ninja feeling it's lost, it was just a bunch of "ultra powerful I can destroy the world if I blink" stuff. The fight between Oro and the third was great and very different from any shonen I saw before, so it was the fight between Zabusa and Team 7, this was just another shonen fight.

I will say I agree with this statement. Naruto's rasenshuriken and Pein's gravity attack lack the shinobi touch that I expect from the Naruto series. Hell, I can't remember the last time I seen anyone perform a hand seal (Naruto's Kage Bunshin doesn't count).

[adadqgg]

^Everyone became State Alchemists, no symbols needed...

Wait, that is the wrong anime...

Anyway, I think there will be irony somewhere in the near future...(Naruto will probably not become Hokage and disappoint everyone).

[Brill]

Many of the powers shown in this fight were too dragon ball, the Ninja feeling it's lost, it was just a bunch of "ultra powerful I can destroy the world if I blink" stuff. The fight between Oro and the third was great and very different from any shonen I saw before, so it was the fight between Zabusa and Team 7, this was just another shonen fight.

But the worst thing is how Naruto's transition has been done, specially this last power up, Jiraya never could get the Sage mode totally right in his whole life and suddenly Naruto get it in a few days or lets say a few weeks.

Now the whole village it's irrelevant; kakashi, guy, the gyuga clan, the fifth, anbu, all are nothing, cause Naruto it's god powerful and doesn't need their help, in fact, like it was mention many times, they could just get in Naruto's way if they try to help him.

Like ffl said, Naruto wan't getting the spot light, and now suddenly he's better than Kakashi, Jiraya, and fifth rolled into one, and that is just poor writing.

So Godzilla is destroying Konoha and you're upset that they're not using sling shots to take him down? Pein is impervious to Taijutsu due to Shinra Tenrei so kunai and shuriken are meaningless. Naruto sucks at genjutsu so this is going to be a ninjutsu fight. What's wrong with that? Even the Oro/Sandaime fight boiled down to forbidden ninjutsu on both sides. So Naruto uses ninjutsu and it's tacky?

Naruto isn't the master of anything. He still can't make rasengans regularly without a clone, Rasengan-shuriken without a clone, and he can't stay in sage mode for more than 5 mintues without a clone. He's not a sage master, he just knows a short cut through kage bunshin. He still has a long way to go. Progression to this point took several chapters, it didn't happen overnight. The time spacing for sage mode training is a bit off but Naruto got to this point by steady progression, not overnight power ups. It also coincides with the theme of the younger generations surpassing the older ones. So Kishsi is following up his themes with real examples in his story. What's wrong with that?

[FARIQABDUL]

^Everyone became State Alchemists, no symbols needed...

Wait, that is the wrong anime...

Anyway, I think there will be irony somewhere in the near future...(Naruto will probably not become Hokage and disappoint everyone).

I think he could follow in Jiraiya's footsteps and become a wandering ero-sennin.

[adadqgg]

^Naruto, the MAN who writes erotic stories to make everyone understand eachother(because everyone understands erotic stories???)...

WIN!

[Kcets]

Even though this whole "Destruction will continue as long as ninjas exist" concept got introduced, I can't see Naruto kicking Hokage out the window, it's been his driving force since day 1. More than likely, Naruto will pull off some "shounen-MC-awesomepants-GO!" deal and make the world all unicorns, lollipops, and rainbows as he becomes Hokage. At any rate, I'm not going to worry about that until he's killed Madara and brought back Sasuke, those are two things I know have to happen.

[final flash]

Even though this whole "Destruction will continue as long as ninjas exist" concept got introduced, I can't see Naruto kicking Hokage out the window, it's been his driving force since day 1. More than likely, Naruto will pull off some "shounen-MC-awesomepants-GO!" deal and make the world all unicorns, lollipops, and rainbows as he becomes Hokage. At any rate, I'm not going to worry about that until he's killed Madara and brought back Sasuke, those are two things I know have to happen.

Madara needs to be killed but I can see Sasuke doing that, I also cant see Sasuke returning to the village, but who knows. There is also the potential for a Naruto vs Sasuke fight

[f2akid]

Too Dragonball-ish and cliche? I don't think any part of it that I read reminded me of Dragonball, and even if it did, I don't see how something being like Dragonball would send it "down the toilet" seeing how successful Dragonball was and still is.

Really though, when a character faces off against Pain, a guy who soloed Konoha successfully, I don't see how in a one-on-six fight a character that is anything less than epic will be able to defeat him. Because Naruto did it himself, it shouldn't be taken as a negative point against the manga. Rather, in the context of the manga, it's Naruto's most successful point in battle. Before this battle, his most successful point was against Gaara. In both cases, he did an epic job defending his home. People who like Naruto, the character, were getting tired of him getting the shaft in his fights, but this fight demonstrated the aspects of Naruto that his fans love.

In regards to his time spent training, it was likely longer than just a "few days". He started training during Taka's encounter with Killer Bee, and there was most likely quite a bit of time between that and the beginning of Pain's invasion in Konoha. Also, even before mastering Sage mode, he was a lot stronger than a large number of the village's shinobi. Creating the Fuuton Rasenshuriken demonstrated that quite well. His skills may not be as varied as other shinobi, but when it comes to battle, that is one of his strong points.

Another of his strong points will be illustrated in the next chapter, just as one was illustrated in this chapter.

FFL, the most important insight for this Naruto forum (heck any Naruto forum actually).

[DatFatPat]

Even though this whole "Destruction will continue as long as ninjas exist" concept got introduced, I can't see Naruto kicking Hokage out the window, it's been his driving force since day 1. More than likely, Naruto will pull off some "shounen-MC-awesomepants-GO!" deal and make the world all unicorns, lollipops, and rainbows as he becomes Hokage. At any rate, I'm not going to worry about that until he's killed Madara and brought back Sasuke, those are two things I know have to happen.

Yea, Sasuke will be brought back allright......IN A BODY BAG!

[ffl]

FFL, the most important insight for this Naruto forum (heck any Naruto forum actually).

Not really. I'm not as analytical about this as I used to be... or rather, I don't post my analyses all that much anymore. There are millions of Naruto fans, and there are thousands who post their thoughts on Naruto-related forums. With such a large number of people, there are bound to be very insightful, well-thought, and well-written posts/analyses by hundreds of people, not to mention fun and interesting debates. When I have time, and when an event excites me enough, that's usually when I post.

But... thanks for the sentiment though.^_^

[adadqgg]

I just thought Shikamaru would use stratgy with a team(including Naruto) to win...

[f2akid]

Not really. I'm not as analytical about this as I used to be... or rather, I don't post my analyses all that much anymore. There are millions of Naruto fans, and there are thousands who post their thoughts on Naruto-related forums. With such a large number of people, there are bound to be very insightful, well-thought, and well-written posts/analyses by hundreds of people, not to mention fun and interesting debates. When I have time, and when an event excites me enough, that's usually when I post.

LOL. Your attempted modesty isn't very convincing.

[ffl]

LOL. Your attempted modesty isn't very convincing.

Heh, well, you can take it as you will.:)

I just thought Shikamaru would use stratgy with a team(including Naruto) to win...

Although I like Shikamaru, that would've demonstrated Shika's leadership abilities rather than Naruto's ability to inspire courage, belief, and resolve. Since Naruto has been long over-due for his own personal fight in order to fully show off his abilities, I liked how the story has worked out so far.

[final flash]

^^^^^ and FFL wonders why people think his views are so important (its because you talk sense)

[Jinto117]

ffl is a clown. . . . . . . >.<

[ffl]

ffl is a clown. . . . . . . >.<

Says the guy claiming to be a pretty girl.:P

[goddessofanime]

So I wonder if Kishimoto and Tite Kubo ever just get together every week and go, 'Hey how do we troll the fans THIS week?"