Woah...

[DeathlyMoonGoddess]

Chernobyl Accident, I found this rather interesting, and figured to share.
http://www.angelfire.com/extreme4/kiddofspeed/chapter1.html

Wow, I can't believe i've never heard of it before today! Mum was reading and tellin me about it, so google is the best friend atm...
It was hard to find alot of anything though, =.=
*sigh* Oh well.

[Gray]

You.......how......didn't.... http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9526/facepalmp.png Did you not go to school?

[Ikari Warrior]

Dude, she's, like 14...she didn't grow up with it like we did.

[Gray]

Dude, she's, like 14...she didn't grow up with it like we did.

Oh, 13 apparently. I didn't look.

[animeotaku99]

Get Out of Here Stalker!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalker:_Shadow_of_Chernobyl

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalker:_Clear_Sky

I'd love to be able to adventure around the zone of alienation, maybe camp out for a day or two
Visit Pripyat, camp in the Red Forest

[Ikari Warrior]

Wow, after clicking that link, I'm awestruck and horrified. I knew "about" Chernobyl, but that site was an experience. I might have to buy her book.

Fun Fact: Ikari celebrated his third birthday, the day of the Chernobyl meltdown.

[animeotaku99]

This girl is living a wannabe "S.T.A.L.K.E.R."s dream

EDIT: This is great. her work is both poetic and brave. She is doing something many would not dare to do. Her action have even angered people, though she has not caused any vandalism or taken anything to my knowledge.
I wold how she avoids getting caught by any of the military or workers there

[Justinian]

Hahahahaha!!

[Hara!]

I'd love to be her S.T.A.L.K.E.R., if you know what I mean.

[superplough]

Nice, Kairi-chan. :lol:

Did you try Wikipedia?

[DeathlyMoonGoddess]

Nice, Kairi-chan. :lol:

Did you try Wikipedia?

I don't like Wiki for things besides looking for anime because it's normally off a bit, and off is bad... =.= lol

[fujyoshi]

You.......how......didn't.... http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9526/facepalmp.png Did you not go to school?

maybes shes home schooled. I wish I had that luxury when I was in school.

[Meggles]

That was a great link you posted, but...how did you not know about Chernobyl? I'm about your age but I knew...(granted, my favorite TV station is the history channel, so...yeah

EDIT: Just so everyone knows, I checked out the name of the lady who wrote the website that DeathlyMoonGoddess posted, and it turns out that she is not in fact a badass biker who rides out alone into radioactive Chernobyl, but she's some chick in a leather jacket who went on a public group tour.

[Till]

She has some interesting photo's , but not much else. She certainly did nothing brave or poetic by simply going into a known contaminated area and picking up dosage.

[Spadesy]

That was a great link you posted, but...how did you not know about Chernobyl? I'm about your age but I knew...(granted, my favorite TV station is the history channel, so...yeah

"Accusing others of being misinformed is a great way of seeming informed yourself." -That guy from The Onion

No, the Chernobyl incident isn't common knowledge. I guarantee you I can walk down the street of any major city I've been to, talk to 100 random people about Chernobyl and maybe only a few will know what I'm talking about.

[Gray]

No, the Chernobyl incident isn't common knowledge. I guarantee you I can walk down the street of any major city I've been to, talk to 100 random people about Chernobyl and maybe only a few will know what I'm talking about.

Actaully, um, i'm pretty sure that it is. Biggest nuclear plant disaster in history and all. OP is excused because of her age, but most informed people know what your talking about when you say 'Chernobyl'. They may not know the specifics, but they know it was a nuclear disaster.

[Spadesy]

Actaully, um, i'm pretty sure that it is. Biggest nuclear plant disaster in history and all. OP is excused because of her age, but most informed people know what your talking about when you say 'Chernobyl'. They may not know the specifics, but they know it was a nuclear disaster.

Where do you live, on a college campus? Biggest nuclear plant disaster in history, true. But my point still stands. "Historically informed" doesn't constitute the figure I described. Why would your average joe know about it? Most people don't even know what country that's in.

Pardon the argument, but I hate condescending posts of "omg u r dumb everybody knows this!!11."

[Gray]

Where do you live, on a college campus? Biggest nuclear plant disaster in history, true. But my point still stands. "Historically informed" doesn't constitute the figure I described. Why would your average joe know about it? Most people don't even know what country that's in.

Pardon the argument, but I hate condescending posts of "omg u r dumb everybody knows this!!11."

Well I can't recall a time in history since the disaster that this wasen't taught in school, as I mentioned in my origional post. Your 'figure' is a gross overstatement.

[Spadesy]

Well I can't recall a time in history since the disaster that this wasen't taught in school, as I mentioned in my origional post.

This wasn't taught in my school. I learned about it in Wikipedia long after I graduated.

Your 'figure' is a gross overstatement.

Is it really? Go and find out yourself. You are making the claim that it's common knowledge, so it's your job to conduct the study, right?

[Gray]

Is it really? Go and find out yourself. You are making the claim that it's common knowledge, so it's your job to conduct the study, right?

Actaully, no. You are the one disputing my statement, which is accurate to the best of my current knowledge. If you so passionatly believe I am wrong, then the burden lies with you to prove otherwise. If you can't actaully backup your figure, then STFU next time.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Most people don't know about Chernobyl, I didn't know about it until a similar thread like this was posted a few years ago.

Really, I was just disappointed that it seems the region had no scary **** happen. No three headed squirrels, no three eyed fish, no three boobed women.

What a rip.

[Old Ape Face]

Where do you live, on a college campus? Biggest nuclear plant disaster in history, true. But my point still stands. "Historically informed" doesn't constitute the figure I described. Why would your average joe know about it? Most people don't even know what country that's in.

Pardon the argument, but I hate condescending posts of "omg u r dumb everybody knows this!!11."

I will say I'm one of the people who didn't know about this until today when my friend was talking about it in the car, and I made a funny statement like "So when did you ever go to Russia?" lol like I was serious.

But does that necessarily mean not many people know about it? How do people know about anything these days?

Those who say They don't know about it, possibly were not given the information, it's like you wouldn't have known about 911 if you didn't live in the United State and were far from any social news program.

But this event doesn't seem to be nearly as important as 911.

[Spadesy]

Actaully, no. You are the one disputing my statement, which is accurate to the best of my current knowledge. If you so passionatly believe I am wrong, then the burden lies with you to prove otherwise. If you can't actaully backup your figure, then STFU next time.

My figure is based off of common sense. If you tell me that there is an invisible, untouchable duck in the corner of the room, it is your job to prove to me that it is present...not my job to prove to you that it isn't.

The point is, expecting everybody to know about the Tokyo subway attacks conducted by Aum Shinrikyo, for example, is unreasonable. Keeping this in mind, I wouldn't talk down on anybody who didn't know about it. Oh but wait, it was the only modern chemical attack in Japan that claimed so many lives so everybody should know about it, right? Wrong. That kind of attitude is pompous and makes you look like an elitist. Do you see where I'm coming from?

[Caster13]

I knew about Chernobyl long before I was taught about it in school. When you watch the History Channel almost every day for hours like I did as a kid, (I was an oddball.) you learn a lot of stuff.

[Gray]

The point is, expecting everybody to know about the Tokyo subway attacks conducted by Aum Shinrikyo, for example, is unreasonable. Keeping this in mind, I wouldn't talk down on anybody who didn't know about it. Oh but wait, it was the only modern chemical attack in Japan that claimed so many lives so everybody should know about it, right? Wrong. That kind of attitude is pompous and makes you look like an elitist. Do you see where I'm coming from?

Was it the single most destructive chemical attack in the history of the world? No. Chernobyl wasent a subway bombing.

12 People died in the Subway attack you are referring to, which used Sarin Gas.

Chernobyl was the single largest nuclear disaster in the history of the planet. The diasaster cost 200$ billion, and is the most costly disaster in history.

The 2005 report prepared by the Chernobyl Forum, led by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) and World Health Organization (WHO), attributed 56 direct deaths (47 accident workers, and nine children with thyroid cancer), and estimated that there may be 4,000 extra cancer deaths among the approximately 600,000 most highly exposed people.

This wasen't an obscure accident in a far off country. So yes, I do find it hard to believe that anyone who watches Television and attented High School dosen't know what the Chernobyl Disaster was.

[max payne]

This is why you all need to play PC games.

If you did you'd know what the Chernobyl incident was.

Keep in mind I'm being generous since asking you lot to watch the news or read up on history would be like asking a dead dog with brain damage to find a cure for cancer.

[MirKz]

Chernobyl accident WAS very interesting.
There's some very interesting websites available online as well.
I did a bit of research into this myself, as I don't think I covered it in school either, but found out it was real (not just a game called 'Stalker - The Chernobyl Accident' or whatever it was labelled).
I was doing a radiation course for work when I saw posters and heard mention of it.

Very saddening to see some of the effects.

[Spadesy]

Was it the single most destructive chemical attack in the history of the world? No. Chernobyl wasent a subway bombing.

12 People died in the Subway attack you are referring to, which used Sarin Gas.

I'd say 12 is a significant amount of people, considering it was an attack on a subway. Oh, you also forgot about the 1,034 more suffering from injuries related to sarin poisoning, demonstrating Japan's vulnerability to a terrorist attack via chemical warfare.

Chernobyl was the single largest nuclear disaster in the history of the planet. The diasaster cost 200$ billion, and is the most costly disaster in history.

Okay, so you are judging "what people should know," based on one incident being on a grander monetary scale than another. :huh:

You are completely missing the point. Are you not going to honor the statement I made in my last post about assumptions? In my line of work, it would be bad judgement and a professional mistake to assume people know about any historical incident involving anything nuclear, chemical or biological.

This wasen't an obscure accident in a far off country.

Yeah it was, in Eastern Europe, a place many would consider the armpit of the world, regardless of the damage incurred. I can spout off a few more events that had major significance in the world, that weren't as damaging. What are you trying to tell me is that the Chernobyl incident should be much, much more well known than the Tokyo Sarin gas attacks...or even 9/11, because hey, it did much more damage to the world. I can't buy that.

So yes, I do find it hard to believe that anyone who watches Television and attented High School dosen't know what the Chernobyl Disaster was.

Then you need to get out more, or at least be more humble with people.

[superplough]

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[Spadesy]

^ :lol: I like your title and sig. "I have come here to kick *** and chew bubblegum. And I'm all out of gum."

[DeathlyMoonGoddess]

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You winn! xDDDD

[superplough]

^ :lol: I like your title and sig. "I have come here to kick *** and chew bubblegum. And I'm all out of gum."

You're the first one to notice it I think :lol:

[Old Ape Face]

This is why you all need to play PC games.

If you did you'd know what the Chernobyl incident was.

Keep in mind I'm being generous since asking you lot to watch the news or read up on history would be like asking a dead dog with brain damage to find a cure for cancer.

except you know the dead dog would do far more useful work than this post.

[max payne]

Then you need to get out more, or at least be more humble with people

Irony the likes of which rivals even Mr. Sanada and Mr. Monsha.

Yeah it was, in Eastern Europe, a place many would consider the armpit of the world

IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN AMERICA SO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN

Also, I really don't think Eastern Europe is the armpit of the world. It suffered from terrible, terrible leadership for several decades, is all.

It's not got the problem of a chronically stupid population like a certain country I'm thinking of.

except you know the dead dog would do far more useful work than this post.

Double irony post.

[Tidusauron12]

Max, you've been more of a douchebag than usual as of late. :lol:

[Broand]

You are allowed be an arse if you're right.

[animeotaku99]

People should not let the Chernobyl incident hamper nuclear power efforts in the United States. Nuclear power is much safer and cleaner then other sources. And we can always deweaponize the nuclear by-product and bury it in soem third world country for lulz.

Though it is an important part of history and people should be taught about it. Just like more people should know about the "Fitna" video and the hypocritacy in the UK it caused. But I digress

[Till]

People should not let the Chernobyl incident hamper nuclear power efforts in the United States.


No, unfortunately the economic's of actually building a new plant, Plus the political party in control at the moment will take care of that.



And we can always deweaponize the nuclear by-product and bury it in soem third world country for lulz.

Or we could just do what is currently done and let the stuff sit in concrete caskets onsite where no outside sources or dark wizard's can screw with the stuff.

[Siendra]

Didn't see it mentioned anywhere else in the thread, but that site is fake. That woman was never allowed to ride her motorcycle through the area. Nor was she ever allowed in unattended.

[animeotaku99]

^actually we tend to bury it out in our own deserts. And I would love to see more nuclear power in parts of the U.S. Though up here wind power may be be a better choice.

And a nuclear plant wold let us make more weapons to scare the **** out of other countries. Peace through Superior fire power

edit Didn't see it mentioned anywhere else in the thread, but that site is fake. That woman was never allowed to ride her motorcycle through the area. Nor was she ever allowed in unattended.

Do you have a source on this? I konw there are check points but.. I don't know
IT looks like she has a lot of on site, non-photoshopped pictures. and I doubt a bunch of scientists or conscripts would be enthusiastic about chasing her down

Also, the surrounding villages are not as well patrolled

[Siendra]

edit

Do you have a source on this? I konw there are check points but.. I don't know
IT looks like she has a lot of on site, non-photoshopped pictures. and I doubt a bunch of scientists or conscripts would be enthusiastic about chasing her down

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/06/world/fg-chernobyl6

One of many. Its been very clearly shown that she came on a normal guided tour. There's a website floating around that has even identified all the places the images with her motorcycle in the were taken and clearly shows they're all a good 50km or more outside 'the zone'.

Plus, areas in the zone are still extraordinarily hot. If sh road willy nilly though it she would end up dead.

[superplough]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elena_Filatova

Apparently she just went on a tour of the place and took photos. It's still a good site though

[animeotaku99]

http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jul/06/world/fg-chernobyl6

One of many. Its been very clearly shown that she came on a normal guided tour. There's a website floating around that has even identified all the places the images with her motorcycle in the were taken and clearly shows they're all a good 50km or more outside 'the zone'.

Plus, areas in the zone are still extraordinarily hot. If sh road willy nilly though it she would end up dead.

Well that showed me...

[Meggles]

Didn't see it mentioned anywhere else in the thread, but that site is fake. That woman was never allowed to ride her motorcycle through the area. Nor was she ever allowed in unattended.

Yeah, I mentioned in my post that sparked the Haru!/Spadesy deathmatch that she went on a guided tour.

Yeah.

I'd also like to mention that most of my family works in the radiology department of medicine so aside from the nice green glow I've inherited, I've also learned a buttload of stuff about radiation. Maybe that's how I knew about Chernobyl.:P

[Spadesy]

Irony the likes of which rivals even Mr. Sanada and Mr. Monsha.

How so?

IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN AMERICA SO IT DIDN'T HAPPEN

Also, I really don't think Eastern Europe is the armpit of the world. It suffered from terrible, terrible leadership for several decades, is all.

We are talking about a place very close to Belarus for chrissakes...I'd say this place is the armpit of the world, only rivaled by some developing Middle Eastern countries.

It's not got the problem of a chronically stupid population like a certain country I'm thinking of.

Which is?

[Broand]

We are talking about a place very close to Belarus for chrissakes...I'd say this place is the armpit of the world, only rivaled by some developing Middle Eastern countries.





People are people, no matter where they're from,
And people can hurt, No matter where they're from,
So before you say, that this doesn't matter,
Living or dead, One hundred thousand is the latter.

People Can be good, No matter where they're from,
People can be bad, No matter where they're from,
So before you say, that Nine-eleven's worse,
Think that more families went, in a radioactive hearse.

People can be poor, No matter where they're from,
People can be rich, No matter where they're from,
So before you say that this, doesn't belong on that shelf,
Don't say that you're a good person, because you don't know yourself.

[Spadesy]

^ Nobody's arguing that what happened was a bad or more/less important, but nonetheless, what I said is true.

Having seen and worked in some of the crappier places in the world first hand, I can tell you I don't need a poem on character. Spare me, thanks.

[Ikari Warrior]

Well, it makes a lot of sense that her site was fake. However, those images are still quite chilling, and it does help put perspective on a potentially forgotten disaster. If it's possible, I would like to see what the forbidden zone is like these days. If everything was irradiated, did that mean they couldn't come back for the dead? I may have to do some homework on this now...

[max payne]

How so?

Use your humble brain to figure that one out.

Be enlightened.

Which is?

The answer's all around you.

Max, you've been more of a douchebag than usual as of late.

I'm trying to get a moderation position, following the wonderful examples set by Mr. Monsha and Ms. Shiroiyuki.

[superplough]

^User was banned for this post?

[Old Ape Face]

^ Nobody's arguing that what happened was a bad or more/less important, but nonetheless, what I said is true.

Having seen and worked in some of the crappier places in the world first hand, I can tell you I don't need a poem on character. Spare me, thanks.

Um, just look who you're arguing with *points at Max Payne.* Yeah he's a fake Moderator who's only purpose is to disagree with you.

[Ikari Warrior]

^User was banned for this post?

I hope so, and I hope it's permanent.

[Spadesy]

^User was banned for this post?

:lol: Seems so. Total flamebaiting there.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Having seen and worked in some of the crappier places in the world first hand, I can tell you I don't need a poem on character. Spare me, thanks.
A poem doesn't necessarily have to have rhyming verses. The rhythmic variances are off the chart here. Regarding character....Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men? The Shadow knows!
You.......how......didn't.... http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9526/facepalmp.png Did you not go to school?
Some schools focus on only US history and others do Global. I'm not sure what is taught in middle school/Junior high nowadays but such a degrading comment really isn't necessary here.
Oh, 13 apparently. I didn't look.
That's fine...you realized the error that was made. We can move on now.
Nice, Kairi-chan. :lol:

Did you try Wikipedia?
Although good for a quick reference, not really a reliable source of information. I would hope they tighten up their standards in the future.
I don't like Wiki for things besides looking for anime because it's normally off a bit, and off is bad... =.= lol
Yes. This coming from a member who is a part of the younger generation. Maybe there is hope for the future...
"Accusing others of being misinformed is a great way of seeming informed yourself." -That guy from The Onion

No, the Chernobyl incident isn't common knowledge. I guarantee you I can walk down the street of any major city I've been to, talk to 100 random people about Chernobyl and maybe only a few will know what I'm talking about.
It's a probable argument. The subject was brought up in human resource class some time ago. Common knowledge varies to degrees. Even so, whenever there is an attempt to erect some type of nuclear plant anywhere in the US, you can bet Chernobyl will be the first reference used to battle such a move.
:lol: Seems so. Total flamebaiting there.
Some of life's roller coasters offer a rare type of high and amusement.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Use your humble brain to figure that one out.

Be enlightened.



The answer's all around you.



I'm trying to get a moderation position, following the wonderful examples set by Mr. Monsha and Ms. Shiroiyuki.


Why would you want your posts to read like Shiroiyuki's.

[Caster13]

Some schools focus on only US history and others do Global. I'm not sure what is taught in middle school/Junior high nowadays but such a degrading comment really isn't necessary here.

Mine did. Every year they alternated between American and World. I hated American history because it's basically the same f-ing thing every year, just with a little more detail. With World History you always learn a lot more than you did the last time, and its waaaay more interesting. Thousands of years of events everywhere in almost every civilization and culture vs. a few hundred in one place. American History is boring.

[333jeffery]

Now you just need to study Three Mile Island....