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Spadesy
March 24th, 2009, 08:31 AM
I grabbed this and stuck my reply in from another forum.

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CAMP FOSTER, Okinawa — The Philippines rape conviction of an Okinawa-based Marine has taken a bizarre twist.

The woman, now 25 and known publicly only as “Nicole,” changed her story last week and now says she is not sure that Lance Cpl. Daniel Smith raped her in a van in Subic Bay more than three years ago.

In a sworn statement notarized March 12 and submitted to the Philippines Court of Appeals on Tuesday, she said she may have had too much to drink with Smith at a bar called the Neptune Club the evening of Nov. 1, 2005.

“My conscience continues to bother me, realizing that I may have in fact been so friendly and intimate with Daniel Smith at the Neptune Club that he was led to believe that I was amenable to having sex or that we simply got carried away,” she said in a five-page statement posted on several media Web sites.

Court of Appeals officials could not provide Stars and Stripes a copy of the statement Wednesday but confirmed by telephone that it was accurate and released by them.

Smith, now 23, was convicted and sentenced to 40 years in a Philippines prison. He is being held on the U.S. Embassy compound in Manila pending his appeal and negotiations between U.S. and Philippines officials concerning the country’s Supreme Court ruling in February that holding Smith at the embassy was a violation of the bilateral Visiting Forces Agreement.

“I would rather risk public outrage than do nothing to help the court in ensuring that justice was served,” Nicole said in the statement.

Smith has always contended the sex was consensual.

It remained unclear Wednesday what effect Nicole’s statement would have on Smith’s appeal.

Secretary of Justice Raul Gonzalez, the country’s highest-ranking jurist, said Wednesday that such reversals are “rarely accepted” as new evidence in the appeals process, according to a Justice Department spokeswoman.

However, Gonzales acknowledged that Smith’s lawyers “can ask the Court of Appeals to declare a mistrial and then move for a dismissal of the case on the grounds that the evidence is not strong.”

The U.S. Embassy in Manila had no comment on the recent developments.

Nicole said she remembered little of what occurred inside the vehicle, but thought the rape story grew from her embarrassment upon gaining consciousness after being carried out of the van.

“I was so confused and the first thing that entered my mind was how would my mother and boyfriend react if they learn that I was seen with Daniel Smith and that a condom was seen on my pants after Daniel Smith left the van?” according to her statement. “I was scared of losing not only my American boyfriend but the chance of living in the United States.”

On the same day she changed her story, Nicole also fired her attorney, Evalyn Ursua.

On Wednesday, a spokesman for Ursua told Stripes that Nicole’s mother told Ursua that the family was tired of the case and “there is no justice in the Philippines.”

The spokesman said Ursua suspected “parties in the Smith camp” had a hand in Nicole’s decision.

According to media reports Tuesday in Manila, Ursua said the lawyer who notarized Nicole’s statement is from the same law firm that represents Smith. Ursua said the statement was signed the same day she accepted 100,000 pesos (about $2,068) from Smith, which was ordered by the trial court in December 2006 as compensatory damages, according to the reports.

“So many irregular things have happened in this case,” Ursua was quoted in press reports. “The victim is no longer Nicole, but the integrity of the court process and the rule of law.”

Nicole was unavailable for comment Wednesday. The Philippines media reported that she moved recently to the U.S. to live with her boyfriend.

The Philippine Daily Inquirer quoted her mother as stating Nicole was not coerced into changing her story, adding that she did so because “she decided to move on” for her sake and the family’s.

“I expect many sectors to question my motives in executing this statement more than three years after the incident,” Nicole said in her statement. “However ... thinking over and over again how I may have conducted myself at the Neptune Club, I can’t help but entertain doubts on whether the sequence of events in Subic last November 2005 really occurred the way the court found them to have happened.”

I was present for an exercise that occurred in the Philippines in the vicinity of Clark AB last November. Because of this whole "Lance Corporal Daniel Smith Incident," service members were not typically allowed to go out for liberty. As some of you know, Angeles City is very close to Clark AB (Angeles City is the Filipino version of Pattaya, Thailand).

Being with a unit that typically gets some liberty time in all these Asian countries we travel to, our CO had to speak to the Chief of Police of Angeles City in order for us to go out (and he had to pull many disclaimers with his higher ups). There were many restrictions involved, where to go, curfew, etc.

We will be heading back to the Philippines pretty soon.

An interesting thing I was told by one of the contractors that works with us, is that a driver, who may or may not have been witness to what happened with Daniel Smith, said the whole thing was consensual...where Smith effed up was when he dropped her off, alone, without considering her needs. So, this driver reported to the police exactly that - consensual, but bad handling. The police later approached the driver on a different day and pretty much said "uh, no, it WAS a rape, and this is what your testimony will be..."

I don't trust police in southeast Asia. I personally had to bribe a cop in Indonesia 500,000 rupiah ($50) for not carrying my passport on my person while I was in a cab (or else he would've taken me to the station...where I would 'pay for my mistake.') The cab tried to drive away fast once, but I just played the act of a dumb foreigner and let him have his $50 in the end. The same thing happened to our driver as we were driving to an Indonesian Marine base the following morning, he was extorted on the highway.

One of my friends was a sergeant when he went to Indonesia before. Something similar happened and he was detained in a prison for 2 weeks, without the police informing his chain of command...by the time my friend returned, he was demoted by the head General in Okinawa himself, although it wasn't really his fault.

As for the Philippines, a few of my coworkers that were there before had to bribe cops with all of their pesos because one guy was smoking in a taxi, and that wasn't allowed.

And for Subic Bay/Angeles City area...I know for a fact many women there are paid for their "services."

Yeah. I'd say Lance Corporal Daniel Smith was your typical Marine that went to the Philippines on an exercise, did what Marines typically do when they go to a place like that, and ended up getting hosed not only for his bad judgement, but because the Filipina knew she could milk him for all he was worth. She was just looking for an easy ticket to money and going to the states.

Anybody who has been to the Philippines and seen what goes on there can attest to this.

Not saying I know enough to say anything that would change this case...just some food for thought...

Nakey
March 24th, 2009, 09:00 AM
SEriously, this **** don't suprise me one bit.

IAnybody who has been to the Philippines and seen what goes on there can attest to this.

There's a reason i don't even make a second glance at a Pinay that grew up in the Philippines. the BS that you go through, not worth it. seriously not worth it. I would rather be single and play with my left hand than deal with that crap again...

Spadesy
March 24th, 2009, 09:37 AM
^ Yep. Time and money heals. This kind of behavior isn't only present in the Philippines of course, but it's the most blatant example. A friend of mine, who is nearing old age, can tell stories about some of his friends that wed to women from Korea who were just looking for a ticket to "The Big Opportunity" known as America, then later ditched their husbands for another man or to gain enough foothold to start a career there. I think Korea and other East Asian countries have a good enough quality of life now that they don't actively seek "tickets to America" like they used to after the 20th century wars, but I'm sure it still happens.

I saw somebody post a good example once, that I will almost quote word for word...a private first-class that was stationed here in Oki, and impressed a local with the "culture and lifestyle" that portrayed Americans as they are portrayed on MTV. He went out on dates with her constantly and was willing to drop $300 every weekend to buy her things and have fun. Trouble is, the girl had no idea that $300 was a good fraction of his paycheck and that the guy had to borrow money to get haircuts on Sundays. Then they wed and moved to Oceanside California, where they spent most of their days living in a crappy apartment. Then the girl was left wondering what happened to "balla balla" Jay-Z and all those wild nights in Oki.

If you're going to mess around with the opposite sex, regardless of anywhere you go, make sure not to confuse good times and economic necessity for love. It will end up a tragic story, guaranteed.

Reinas
March 24th, 2009, 12:02 PM
Embarrassing. Sometimes I still wonder why my dad shipped us off to the North Pole, but hearing stories like this makes me appreciate paying for parking at train stations much more.

I don't know how prevalent it is, but walking around the nicer parts of Manila like Eastwood, Greenbelt, I've seen older Caucasian men with younger Filipino women. So who knows? My parents had a joke for those kinds of couples for the women: 4 Ms - matandang mayaman madaling mamatay (basically, marry an old rich person who'll die quickly).

$2000...I guess once she realized that was all he was worth, she decided to pity him? How gracious of her, too bad the irreparable damage is done to his career. As well, to the reputations of other Filipino women who work abroad honestly. And she gets off almost scot and conscience free, living in the US with her American boyfriend.

Trefellin
March 24th, 2009, 05:38 PM
Damn! That's another group of Asian women I have to put on my danger list along Chinese mistresses and those Thai ladies with their knives. :(

animeotaku99
March 24th, 2009, 05:46 PM
don't go to third wolrd countries.... don't bang strangers all will be good

The Million Dollar Prons
March 24th, 2009, 06:19 PM
PHilippine women are all prostitutes and I love this fact. I don't doubt she offered boom boom for 1 dollar then got angry because well, MARINES are the first ones in and the last ones out.


don't go to third wolrd countries.... don't bang strangers all will be good



Why would I do such a terrible thing like NOT going to a third world country and taking advantage of the local prostitutes.

Trefellin
March 24th, 2009, 06:27 PM
Why would I do such a terrible thing like NOT going to a third world country and taking advantage of the local prostitutes.

Yes. By refusing to sojourn in a third world country and patronize the array of prostitutes you are denying impoverished women a good source of income. You don't know, they could have families to feed. Prons is a humanitarian and philanthropist that we should all strive to emulate.

The Million Dollar Prons
March 24th, 2009, 06:32 PM
Yes. By choosing sojourn in a third world country and patronizing the array of prostitutes you are denying impoverished women a good source of income. You don't know, they could have families to feed. Prons is a humanitarian and philanthropist that we should all strive to emulate.

You guys shouldn't try to emulate you'd just fail.

I was reading "Oriental Woman" magazine (because I'm one of them sleazy moustache guys who leave pornography laying on their coffee table for the guests to see) and one of the interviews said the girl liked to bring a man home and suck his "pron." and I'm like Yeah, even the asian porno magazines know me.

You think you got what it takes to be as sleazy, filhty and underhanded as me? YOU THINK YOU GOT WHAT IT TAKES TREFELIN?

Bernard_Monsha
March 24th, 2009, 07:46 PM
Dusty you should just leave the LBFM's to the pros.

Trefellin
March 24th, 2009, 08:00 PM
You think you got what it takes to be as sleazy, filhty and underhanded as me? YOU THINK YOU GOT WHAT IT TAKES TREFELIN?

Probably, but if it takes more effort than going between the couch and the fridge... I just don't want to do it.

Old Ape Face
March 24th, 2009, 08:07 PM
LBFM's.

Lamborghini Females?

Sounds expencive to me.

Spadesy
March 24th, 2009, 08:26 PM
Dusty you should just leave the LBFM's to the pros.

You kidding? I have a Masters in LBFMROR Science.

The Million Dollar Prons
March 24th, 2009, 08:36 PM
Alright two buff manly marines arguing about manly things. Now quick, get into the butter pit and start grappling eachother to make all my dreams come true.

Spadesy
March 24th, 2009, 11:19 PM
Prons, you should be a reverse psychologist interrogator for a federal agency, you'd make even the hardest man crack at your extraordinary gay-ism.

The Million Dollar Prons
March 25th, 2009, 09:48 AM
Prons, you should be a reverse psychologist interrogator for a federal agency, you'd make even the hardest man crack at your extraordinary gay-ism.

HARDEST MAN.


Man Spadesy, you've turned a thread about heterosexual sex into a FABULOUS THREAD, how does that make you feel?

Trefellin
March 25th, 2009, 11:38 AM
Man Spadesy, you've turned a thread about heterosexual sex into a FABULOUS THREAD, how does that make you feel?

I hope it makes him feel dirty... Except in a good way.

Etchd
March 26th, 2009, 05:01 AM
don't go to third wolrd countries.... don't bang strangers all will be good

Third world countries don't exist, only developing countries, and I hate both terms.

PHilippine women are all prostitutes and I love this fact. I don't doubt she offered boom boom for 1 dollar then got angry because well, MARINES are the first ones in and the last ones out.


Haha, not sure if LOL or RAGE.

Spadesy
March 26th, 2009, 03:28 PM
HARDEST MAN.


Man Spadesy, you've turned a thread about heterosexual sex into a FABULOUS THREAD, how does that make you feel?

Glad to see your mind involuntarily wanders to words with potentially homosexual meanings by default. :)

The Million Dollar Prons
March 26th, 2009, 03:39 PM
Third world countries don't exist, only developing countries, and I hate both terms.



Haha, not sure if LOL or RAGE.

LOID RAGE


Glad to see your mind involuntarily wanders to words with potentially homosexual meanings by default. :)

YEah I'm tottally the one with a gay vibe in their posts.

Spadesy
March 26th, 2009, 04:23 PM
LOID RAGE




YEah I'm tottally the one with a gay vibe in their posts.

Or a shortened version,

YEah I'm tottally the one with a gay vibe in their posts.

People are caught on their words like fish are caught on a hook. Old Filipino saying.

The Million Dollar Prons
March 26th, 2009, 05:08 PM
People are caught on their words like fish are caught on a hook. Old Filipino saying.

We are conservaitve and simple, 15 dolla short time 30 dolla longtime. New Filipino saying.

(But in dusty's case I'll give you a discount :elvis: )

Or if you want to Thai it up.

Hi honey my family buffalo is sick need 1,500 for medicine i miss you please help my family love you

Spadesy
March 26th, 2009, 08:28 PM
Are you referring to this? I saw this posted on a wall when I went to a bar there. So true.

Thai Bar Girl's Ten Commandments
From Night Owl, Bangkok Post.

1. Late week, specifically Friday and Saturday, many locally employed walking ATM machines will come to your bar. Choose carefully! Some have money, but others do not! If he is wearing a suit and tie, check that the tie is not a Pratunam special and check that he isn't wearing tennis shoes.
If either of these are in the affirmative, forget him because he is likely an English teacher, and they will give you peanuts _ that is if they give you anything at all.

2. No matter how fat and ugly he is, no matter how bad he may smell, no matter how drunk he is, make sure you always tell him how handsome he is. Sit close to him and run your hands over his body, arousing him.

As soon as he has paid the bar fine, you can stand clear of him. Even if he knows that you despise his ugly butt, he'll still pay you. The hard part is getting him to pay the bar, and as soon as you have done that, the rest is easy.

3. Start collecting email addresses from all of your customers. And once you have a good collection of addresses, a visit to your local Internet cafe is in order. All of those email addressees should be sent an email. Simply change the name on each email and send it off to all of the guys. If you can remember something specific about them, mention that in the email too.

These walking ATMs all have a soft heart, so you need to tell them a story to get them to send you some of their riches. Start with a sick buffalo and if he doesn't reply, next tell him that your mother is sick. As a last resort, if he still doesn't send any money, tell him you are pregnant and the baby is his!

4. Practice crying on cue. It is essential that you can produce tears immediately. This will have the effect of helping the walking ATM machine to see things your way!

5. When you get a customer for an extended period of time, make sure he takes you shopping, with rarn tong (gold shop) the best place to visit. Make sure he buys you gold and if he doesn't, see rule 4! As soon as he has left Thailand, take the gold back to the shop and sell it straight back to them, thus increasing your pay out.

6. When locally based farangs are inside the bars, do not speak in Thai with your friends in the bar but rather use Lao, Khmer or any other dialects that you may know.

It's bad enough that some of them can speak and even read Thai, but Lao and Khmer should be kept as sacrosanct. Under no circumstances should the farang be taught our regional dialects.

7. Always see him off at the airport. Thai currency cannot be used in his country, so it is highly likely that he will give you all of his leftover baht as he leaves and says goodbye.

While accompanying him to the airport, prevent him buying going-away gifts for his family and friends in his homeland. Which leaves more for you.

8. See Asian customers. They understand that we like to gamble, and they understand that we have lots of unemployed brothers and sisters who need to eat. Therefore, they pay a lot better than the farangs.

9. Remember, when you get paid, you must always ask for taxi money and give him the excuse that taxi drivers cannot give change on big notes. Don't let him see the small change in your wallet. If taxi money isn't forthcoming, see rule 4.

10. If you are no longer making money in Bangkok, move down to Phuket where you will be able to start making money again. Give Phuket a few years, then move on to Pattaya. Even if you are approaching 50, it is no problem as the walking ATM machines seem to be blind in Pattaya.

KatayokuのTenshi
March 27th, 2009, 01:51 AM
Are you referring to this? I saw this posted on a wall when I went to a bar there. So true.

Did someone forget rule six?

shinri
March 27th, 2009, 02:09 AM
My ex's family are from the Philippines (although they are of Chinese descent). They immigrated here decades ago, and were pretty well off both before and after coming to Canada. After talking with his older sisters, they confirmed the desperation that they saw while growing up there in a lot of the young girls/women with the result that many of them will try to use every single opportunity at their disposal in order to escape what can be pretty miserable circumstances... a lot of corruption, poverty, crime, etc. The problems rarely have simple solutions since the issues are often deeply interconnected, often in ways that those outside of the culture are not aware of. It can lead to some potentially ugly situations when these girls are taught to grab hold of anything they can in order to advance both their own and their families' lives, with a lot of mixed-up issues between gender/cultural/economic inequalities, and some serious clashes in cultural values!
:(

At the risk of offending some ppl, I'm not taking a black-or-white stand, or excusing either parties for what they did. Each side has its own reasons for behaving the way they did... with the probably inevitable unfortunate results. That is reality, and the way of the world... many shades of gray, depending on the viewpoint.

The Million Dollar Prons
March 27th, 2009, 09:20 AM
^ Frankly I'm just glad the Philipipnes has so many cheap prostitutes. I'll let someone else be a humanitarian philantropist, I just want 30 baht long time. (Yes I know baht is thai currency not philippines)

Are you referring to this? I saw this posted on a wall when I went to a bar there. So true.

I wonder if it was written by a farang or a thai. From what I've noticed the white guys in Pattaya have a pretty good sense of humour about their dysunfcitional relationships with Thai prostitutes.

I'm just surprised the list forgot to mention never ever get an Indian customer. If you think ESL teachers are bad customers, try out an indian. You'll come back to his "hotel" and find out it's really a youth hostel and he intends to share you with his 12 or 15 indian buddies.


I'm gonna be an ESL teacher it's gonna be funny

Spadesy
March 27th, 2009, 06:27 PM
Shinri is right on point. This whole mess was just a twist of the truth based on unfortunate circumstances the girl was experiencing, living in that country.

@Prons, I'm pretty sure a farang wrote it, who just figured the game out very well. Oh, and don't be one of those English teachers who goes abroad just to seek foreign women...that just has lecher written all over it.

Trefellin
March 27th, 2009, 06:42 PM
@Prons, I'm pretty sure a farang wrote it, who just figured the game out very well. Oh, and don't be one of those English teachers who goes abroad just to seek foreign women...that just has lecher written all over it.

I wouldn't imagine that Prons would, as they say, gives a flying ****.