Stephen King isn't a twilight fan.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

http://omg.yahoo.com/news/stephen-king-on-twilight-author-stephenie-meyer-can-t-write-worth-a-darn/18406?nc

[Leader Desslock]

I think that if Stephen King told me I couldn't 'write worth a damn', I'd probably hang up my pen. The man knows writing, and he's usually quite encouraging to beginning authors. For him to say it's not worth a damn means she really, really has to suck on an unredeemable level.

I haven't read any of the Twilight novels, but I'm almost tempted to find one, just to see how bad they really are.

[old hat]

I bought the first one but I haven't read it yet.

Opinions seem to be sharply divided on these books. They are very hot and cold. Many people seem to either think they are fantastic or absolutely dreadful. People who comment on things on-line or write reviews at place like (big website that sells books) are self-selected and tend to have more extreme opinions.

I haven't had the nerve to read it yet. From what I have heard I am more likely to be in the 'it's dreadful' camp than the 'it's fantastic' camp.

[Hara!]

I haven't read any of the Twilight novels, but I'm almost tempted to find one, just to see how bad they really are.

The main actors in the film have been really outspoken about their hatred of the actual books, even going so far as to insult Stephanie Meyer and her fans. Some people say that they're doing it because they really really do not want to star in the sequels.

[superplough]

Well, I have always enjoyed Stepehn King and his works. This is just another reason to like him.

[ThePhillyFlash]

A co-worker read Twilight a few months ago and told me it sucked to the extreme. Bravo to Stephen! He DOES know what he's talking about!

[The Million Dollar Prons]

The main actors in the film have been really outspoken about their hatred of the actual books, even going so far as to insult Stephanie Meyer and her fans. Some people say that they're doing it because they really really do not want to star in the sequels.

SAUCE nao plz

[tenshi_a]

I think that if Stephen King told me I couldn't 'write worth a damn', I'd probably hang up my pen.

I think if Stephen King told me I couldn't 'write worth a darn', I'd be greatly encouraged. He's a terrible writer. Nothing happens for hundreds and hundreds of pages, then something entirely predictable happens in the last 50 pages and you feel sad that the hours you spent reading his book can never be recovered.

I think film versions of his books are usually a lot better than his actual books, and that's odd because normally I find the original books better than the films made from them. With his stories, the film usually just cuts out a lot of pointless uneventful boring stuff (i.e. 80% of the book), gives you a neat summary then gets on with the interesting part of the story.

I don't know anything about this "Twilight" (I'm not a "young person").

[Hara!]

SAUCE nao plz

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/lyons_den/b68229_rob_pattinson_on_whats_weird_abou t.html

http://www.hollywire.com/featured/robert-pattinson-is-going-for-rudest-hollywood-star/

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00020470.html

[Soluzar]

I think if Stephen King told me I couldn't 'write worth a darn', I'd be greatly encouraged. He's a terrible writer. Nothing happens for hundreds and hundreds of pages, then something entirely predictable happens in the last 50 pages and you feel sad that the hours you spent reading his book can never be recovered.
You have to admit though, he has considerable commercial success. I did wonder for a second or two if Desslock was being sarcastic when I read that, but then I started to think that maybe he has a point. King is not a great writer, but he knows a lot about the basics of writing a successfull book. Not at all to my taste as an author, but clearly a writer who knows a thing or two.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I think Stephen King is a great writer. I --loved-- Pet Semetary

[tenshi_a]

^ That's one of the few I read and what I was referring to when I said it rambles for ages and nothing happens for most of the book.

He did mention, in his criticism of Twilight, that it's got pace that appeals to its readership, and, well, considering that his definition of good pace is "watching snails run a 26 mile marathon", that might mean that book is more readable? I dunno, I don't think it's anything I'd want to read anyway.

[MirKz]

I think this is subject to the target audience.
I know stephen king is a great writer (guy probably has some sort of mental issue also :P)
Anyway, my lil cousin and a bunch of older women (ie 30ish)
Have all loved the first novel of Twilight, to the point they couldn't put them down.
They also couldn't wait to get the next in the series, so on and so fourth...

[Holy Knight]

I haven't read any of the Twilight novels, but I'm almost tempted to find one, just to see how bad they really are.

Here's what I wrote in the Twilight thread:

These books are like cotton candy; no matter how much you get, even though you might pack it into a small round ball, there's still nothing in it. And yet, you still want more.

First book was good, if vapid. Second book was soul-numbing. Third one had some great humor at times and the fourth book is the better one in my opinion even though it made me laugh at some of the absurdity.

It's teen-pop fluff. You read it like you enjoy chocolate-coated candy, but too much of it is hard to stomach. Good reading in-between some heavyweights like The Brothers Karamazov or the Gormenghast novels.

I hesitate to call them outright "bad". Maybe good fanfiction? That's the best I'd give the series, though.

I think if Stephen King told me I couldn't 'write worth a darn', I'd be greatly encouraged. He's a terrible writer. Nothing happens for hundreds and hundreds of pages, then something entirely predictable happens in the last 50 pages and you feel sad that the hours you spent reading his book can never be recovered.

I've only read his Dark Tower series, and a few of his short stories, but he did strike me as an unusually good writer. He can be creative with prose, while still delivering a compelling story, and isn't that the mark of any good writer?

Of course, different strokes for different folk, or so they say.

[ryushe]

The Twilighter's won't like this...

[The Million Dollar Prons]

If you're young enough to love Twilight you're too young to know who Stephen King is

[ryushe]

Funny, My sister is a big King fan, and loves the Twilight series. She read all 4 (including the one thicker than the Bible) in the course of 5 or so days and she herself says, if you can't stomach girly fluff, the book isn't for you.

[waltsoph3]

hmm just out of humor i wonder if theres gonna be a lawsuit over this.

Think about it the creator of galaxy express 999 recently had to give up some money over a name caling suit or word stealing..or something close to those grounds.

I like some of king's movies( IT is my favorite. :D ) and even though i don't read twilight I admire the author for what she does to appeal to certain readers.

I don't think King should have done this. This was sadly immature.
Theres just some things people need to keep to themselves. Proffesional or not.

[Leader Desslock]

hmm just out of humor i wonder if theres gonna be a lawsuit over this.
Given that a diss from Stevie King will probably lead to a spike in Twilight sales from people wanting to check out the series, I highly doubt it.

Favorable or not, just being mentioned by King is one of the best advertisements an author can get. It says "my work was important enough for Steven King to check it out! You should too!"

Publicly, the Twilight author will probably put up some token bit of resentment. Privately, I'm sure that she and her agent are skipping and clicking their heels all the way to the bank.

[waltsoph3]

Given that a diss from Stevie King will probably lead to a spike in Twilight sales from people wanting to check out the series, I highly doubt it.

Favorable or not, just being mentioned by King is one of the best advertisements an author can get. It says "my work was important enough for Steven King to check it out! You should too!"

Publicly, the Twilight author will probably put up some token bit of resentment. Privately, I'm sure that she and her agent are skipping and clicking their heels all the way to the bank.

Hmm thats intresting. Hey free publicity! lol Can't complain about that.
Guess will find out with the sales results when the next twilight book is out.

Edit:
If you're young enough to love Twilight you're too young to know who Stephen King is
:lol: that was great. Gotta give ya props on that prons.:thumbsup:

[Tom Servo]

Never heard of Twilight. Never read any of Stephen King's novels.

There might have been a movie I saw which was based off one of his books. The main character was this fella who had a canister of toothpicks. His toothpicks to him were like the ring to Gollum, always playing with his ****ing toothpicks - but then he lost his toothpicks down the bog (butterfingers!) and he died.

[goddessofanime]

LOL....this should be as epic as the 'Harry Potter vs Twilight' thread if it's the same website I think it is...

Stephen King has about a gazillion best sellers, a million movies/series based from his books and he's a good writer. He's not Shakepeare, but he's good.


I absolutely despise these books..and (and I know someone's gonna make fun of me for it, but whatever. You're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine) I also find them somewhat sexist.
But then again, I"m not 15; I never was a real girly girl, Harelquin romance novel type.


I can just picture the comments now...'STEPHEN KING YOU NOOB YOU SUX, YOU HAVE TOO MANY BOOKS, "TWILIGHT" IZ THE BEST!'

[old hat]

Twilight is a commercial success too isn't it? It certainly appears to be. Mayer isn't the commercial success that King is but she hasn't been doing this as long either. She has been far more successful commercially than the vast majority of authors.

Commercial success doesn't mean that something is good. It means that something is popular. The idea that something is great because it is popular looks like an appeal to popularity fallacy to me.

I have found some of King's books to be rather bloated with bad pacing problems. Sometimes I get the impression that he is so successful now that no one can say, "No" to him and make it stick. They have hundreds and hundreds of pages of very slow build-up with nothing happening for long stretches and then a rushed conclusion. Insomnia was really bad for this but it isn't the only one. Some of his long books like The Stand have enough story to support their length. Several, imo, do not. They are 300 page books padded out to 800+ pages.

King isn't the only one whose books read like editors can't say, "No" to him any more. Tom Clancy's Books are the same way but much worse.

[Trefellin]

It seems to me like Twilight is based upon a common, moody, high school girl schlick fantasy. Like a fanfiction but tame enough to be marketed to the general public.

[Jae Hoon]

The Twilighter's won't like this...

They don't like soap or sunlight either.

[max payne]

There probably isn't enough prepubescent sex in the Twilight novels for Mr. King.

But, if Meyer does stop writing Twilight novels because he said they were **** then maybe I'll forgive him for writing IT.

[goddessofanime]

King isn't the only one whose books read like editors can't say, "No" to him any more. Tom Clancy's Books are the same way but much worse.

And James Patterson.

[SlackerDude]

I haven't read the books or seen the movie and I wasn't going to, but now I just might, because I dislike Steven King so much.

[Soluzar]

Some of his long books like The Stand have enough story to support their length. Several, imo, do not. They are 300 page books padded out to 800+ pages.

King isn't the only one whose books read like editors can't say, "No" to him any more. Tom Clancy's Books are the same way but much worse.
So true. The thing about all these authors whose novels approach 1000 pages with the content stretched so thin as to seem more appropriate for 300 pages at most is that their stories are basically decent. They just need to pare down what they have written to the essentials. If the essentials turn out to be 800 pages, that's fine. I've read long books that weren't tiresome. If the essentials turn out to be more like 300 pages, then the story will be better as a result.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

I've got no qualms with Twilight at the moment and Mr. King is entitled to his opinion on the matter. His highly regarded opinion as a successful author gives his words an intangible weight, regardless of what subject he speaks of. 'Tis the nature of things and Stephanie Meyer will have a lot to contend with in the realm of criticism from self important critics as well as her fellow authors for her current and future works.

Her formula for success cannot be denied as it seems the young people know what they like and it happens to be Twilight at the moment. I know that Mr. King has come across his fair share of criticism over the years and it is the same vicious cycle over and over again.

I was a fan of his short stories in the beginning (Nightmares and Dreamscapes) and then had moved onto the larger novels. I was an avid Sherlock Holmes fan and I liked his take on the famous sleuth. Insomnia will always be a favorite of mine as was the Green Mile.

There are some of his novels that I tried to read but his use of language or the subject matter had made me lose interest altogether. Page length was never an issue as I discovered at an early age with literature that counting pages ahead of time is like looking at your watch constantly at school, work or at a meeting. The time passes much faster when you disassociate your self from any time constraints at the moment and just focus on the words at hand.

[ladyshiro]

Steven said basically the same thing about JK Rowling but he stated that at least Joe could write better then Stephanie Meyer.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I thought Stephen said JK rowling was a great writer and knew how to spin a good mystery yarn.

[Masokick]

I have found some of King's books to be rather bloated with bad pacing problems. Sometimes I get the impression that he is so successful now that no one can say, "No" to him and make it stick

Exactly! Where is the man's editor? This is what I hate about some of his books, some are really engrossing but others put you to sleep. He's always been wordy but The Stand, Wizard & Glass, and Bag of Bones come to mind as just too much. It goes on so long I forget what is supposed to be happening.

I propose King, Rowling, and Meyers attend a lecture from Ursula K. Le Guin. Her Earthsea series is prime example of weaving intricate stories with unforgettable characters and settings, in 200 words or less.

I love long books, I really do, but when the pages keep turning but the plot is not advancing, that's not good writing.

They don't like soap or sunlight either.

How can they dislike sunlight? It gives them sparkly vampires! Or you mean because they never leave their rooms?

[Leader Desslock]

I propose King, Rowling, and Meyers attend a lecture from Ursula K. Le Guin.
I don't know that I would make that recommendation. She's got some big hits, and she's got some big misses, just like any other author. I can't recall ever hitting the end of one of Le Guin's chapters and absolutely *having* to start the next one immediately. I've missed sleep over King and Rowling's better novels, simply because I didn't notice the time until the sun came up.

King and Rowling are Storytellers (especially King). Le Guin is not. She's a good novelist in her own right, but not a Storyteller. She's also a bit of a *****, but that's more of a personal observation and has nothing to do with her writing ability whatsoever.

[goddessofanime]

I propose King, Meyer and Rowling mudwrestle to see who's better.

[Jia]

If you're young enough to love Twilight you're too young to know who Stephen King is

I know who both are and I liked books from both authors.
Does that make me stupid?

[Old Ape Face]

I've missed sleep over King and Rowling's better novels, simply because I didn't notice the time until the sun came up.

In other words for some people too many words keeps you attracted to the actual story while for other people it's just a waste of technical time of which they are probably waiting for the story to end as quickly as possible without care about what the plot actually has to say.

I have never read a King book, and I have read only 5 of Roweling's books, but from this thread it reminds me of one of the most interesting examples of story written novels of the 20th century. Lord of the Rings.

J.R.R.Tolkien has also been known to turn a very simple plot into a long 3 part conspiracy, complete with a description of the land, the languages various characters use, and the dialect that makes individual characters their own. All this wrapped into a plot that is as simple as a someone walking in a straight line for three books dropping the ring at the last book and then walking back from where he started.

Not to mention all the Dark opposing elements that are trying to stop the main plot from advancing and finally end. At the same time a less obscure plot that ties into the protagonist world (the Human race is granted a king.) The exploits of this little hobbit and this tiny Ring that holds so much power that it causes a war between the same very dark element that is tied with the main plot and a light element that is trying to finish their goals both who have no physical contact with the ring itself all while this little hobbit is makeing his attempt to drop the ring into a volcano deep in the dark forces lair.

The plot might be incredibly linear and the objective is dead on center, but Tolkien's imagination to bring out a theme that everyone in our current time recognizes and was possibly thinking the same thing (even those who've never read the books) in terms of how characters looked and acted and how scenes looked compared to a written document, into a film that was made almost 40 or so years after his death makes me wonder if all that writing was really worth it.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

I know who both are and I liked books from both authors.
Does that make me stupid?
I don't believe he was trying to insult anyone's intelligence. His off color statement tried to reason that if you were familiar with Meyer's books then you couldn't possibly know who Stephen King was, which was a inaccurate for all the wisdom he pours into his posts. God knows there is enough of that that goes around here. The avid readers of horror and fantasy know who both authors are and the readership reaches an audience with each generation. We are old enough to appreciate aspects from both authors at least.
Steven said basically the same thing about JK Rowling but he stated that at least Joe could write better then Stephanie Meyer.
He's got clout and there might be truth in what he says but people know what they like and don't need anyone to tell them otherwise.

Yukimura: All it boils down to is personal preference. When you start playing the game of who is a better author and all of that, it gets to the point where you could knit pick any author's shortcomings. It would be easy to use an example of one of their unsuccessful works and say that they are not good authors because of language, page length, attention to detail...etc. It is easy to find fault in commercial successes on the same token. People have their own definition of good and if there are people who want to put themselves on a pedestal (in general) and think their personal taste should be some type of standard, then let them be in their own world.

[Old Ape Face]

Yukimura: All it boils down to is personal preference. When you start playing the game of who is a better author and all of that, it gets to the point where you could knit pick any author's shortcomings. It would be easy to use an example of one of their unsuccessful works and say that they are not good authors because of language, page length, attention to detail...etc. It is easy to find fault in commercial successes on the same token. People have their own definition of good and if there are people who want to put themselves on a pedestal (in general) and think their personal taste should be some type of standard, then let them be in their own world.

of cource everyone is obligated to their own personal taste, I personally enjoy an unbiased opinion though, it is much simpler to conceive than to argue about why the other side isn't good. So I like pretty much anything.

[Bradster]

J.R.R.Tolkien has also been known to turn a very simple plot into a long 3 part conspiracy, complete with a description of the land, the languages various characters use, and the dialect that makes individual characters their own. All this wrapped into a plot that is as simple as a someone walking in a straight line for three books dropping the ring at the last book and then walking back from where he started.

Yeah, he could've tightened it up a bit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU)...

And I'm not a fan of King's philtrum. :P

[Old Ape Face]

Yeah, he could've tightened it up a bit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yqVD0swvWU)...

I haven't clicked the link, but if you are suggesting that Froddo dies before destroying the ring, I think that would make the plot even more foreboding.

I mean the main character has a big mission to carry out, and the history of the ring already mentions people dieing within contact of it. If you suddenly slap a death card on the main character he would be no different than what the ring has done from the begining.

Further more if Froddo was completely corrupted by the ring, he would be no different than the evil that's trying to stop him through out the story.

[Bradster]

I haven't clicked the link, but if you are suggesting that Froddo dies before destroying the ring, I think that would make the plot even more foreboding.

All I'm suggesting now is that you click the link, since it's in line with the current griping about too-long narratives, and your post was a rebuttal to a non-existent argument.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

of cource everyone is obligated to their own personal taste, I personally enjoy an unbiased opinion though, it is much simpler to conceive than to argue about why the other side isn't good. So I like pretty much anything.

A truly unbiased opinion is difficult to come by these days.

[DeathlyMoonGoddess]

Hmm, I'm what you call an Off and On Twilight fan, and for King? Meh, Dun really care for him (not big on horror stories), but he is a good writer. He probably has some right to point out if she's a crap writer or something worth a read.

Personally, I think Twilight sounds like it was written by a vampire obsessed fan girl, who still needs to learn how to create a good story.

I mean really, sparlking vampire, wtf?
She should prolly read up a bit on vamps., cuase last time I checked, they no sparkle!
And plus, the little bit of love that happens in that book is crap, it's like she meets him, they're all of a sudden married, then they have a kid. Nothing much more in between.
The plot idea it self is good, Just there's not alot of detail, which makes the story dull and boring. The character Edward has no personality besides being a creepy stalker, and Bella who is meant to be so smart and beautiful, and all the people there are suppose to love her. Seriously, what kinda story has a perfect person? A story that goes into a 4th grader's portfolio.

But this is only my opinion (A small bit of it), take it how you will :D
*In her head sounds like a ***** to all Twilight lovers*

[Bernard_Monsha]

I think if Stephen King told me I couldn't 'write worth a darn', I'd be greatly encouraged. He's a terrible writer. Nothing happens for hundreds and hundreds of pages, then something entirely predictable happens in the last 50 pages and you feel sad that the hours you spent reading his book can never be recovered.


This is 1000% true. He is the only author I have ever read who can give a 5 page description of a lamp. He should be famous for doing so little with so much, it is a rare talent to change a 3 page short story into a 1500 page snore fest. I cannot decide on which author I hate more Melville for Billy Bud of King for everything he ever wrote that is longer than 20 pages.

[Old Ape Face]

A truly unbiased opinion is difficult to come by these days.

Indeed, but it is not imposable, I would think that the hardest part about it is not being exposed to every possibility. That and the constant pressure of other people placing their opinions on yours to the point in which you are considered a fool to all sides of the argument and a genious to all sides of the argument at the same time. I get this all the time it seems.

OT: I have walked passed these books a number of times in the book store, my sister has read one of them but I've never bothered to venture into them much recently.

[old hat]

I saw the entire set hardcover in a slipcase for $40. It was so cheap I just bought it.

Now I have 2 copies of the first book. One softcover and one hardcover. I still haven't read a word of it.

[Leader Desslock]

This is 1000% true. He is the only author I have ever read who can give a 5 page description of a lamp.
Oh, no. There are many worse. If James Michener wrote about a lamp, he'd start his novel at the first line of Genesis and work his way up to it from there.

It was my displeasure to review a book by another Maine author named Rick Hautala. If you're wondering why you've never heard of him, it's because the man's a terrible writer. The climax of the book took place in a cemetery that was so dark the protagonist was tripping over grey and white tombstones (invisible in the darkness), but was somehow able to tell the difference between black and blood-red candles before they were lit.

Rick Hautala: Nice man, terrible writer. Textbook case of King Envy.

[Shiroiyuki]

^OMG, I remember when you told me about that :lol:!!!!! Oh boy, that is some crappy writing.


Not as bad as Twilight though. Or the Sisterhood of the Travelling Pants, which I only read on principle -- when my sister suggested my inability to enjoy that stupid-*** movie was because I never read the book (which she labeled ‘good fiction’). I had to prove her wrong; the premise was bad on both accounts and reading the book actually made me lose MORE respect. *shivers*

[xia]

I've only read one King novel, and that was Pet Semetary.
Although it did seem he got a bit caught up in descriptions and kind of went roundabout, he's an good writer.

I loved the first Twilight book, but yeah her story was good fanfiction at best.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Oh, no. There are many worse. If James Michener wrote about a lamp, he'd start his novel at the first line of Genesis and work his way up to it from there.

I liked Centennial even the parts about Dinosaurs and Buffaloes.

[sammy1335]

i have read the first 1 there not that bad

[Solid_Snake]

Stephen King is a great writer. And the ONE movie he wrote and directed was bad ***.

[Len]

I think that if AIDS only targetted twilight fans, less people would desire a cure :>

[superplough]

:lol: I love you so much Len

[Len]

I love you too. :)

[Trefellin]

I looked at a review of the twilight series and I can't imagine having the stomach to read that garbage. Apparently, in the final book, there is horror. A bizarre, screaming, bloody, spine splitting birth involving chewing through a placenta. :blink:

[Jia]

I don't believe he was trying to insult anyone's intelligence. His off color statement tried to reason that if you were familiar with Meyer's books then you couldn't possibly know who Stephen King was, which was a inaccurate for all the wisdom he pours into his posts. God knows there is enough of that that goes around here. The avid readers of horror and fantasy know who both authors are and the readership reaches an audience with each generation. We are old enough to appreciate aspects from both authors at least.

It came across as a little more than off colour lol..


The character Edward has no personality besides being a creepy stalker, and Bella who is meant to be so smart and beautiful, and all the people there are suppose to love her.
*In her head sounds like a ***** to all Twilight lovers*

You forgot psychological mind-f**k and the whole beating when they got it on. The 4th book practically glorified beating your partner! Domestic violence or whatever you call it. Personally I prefer the 1st book and only the first.

[kittynboi]

I've never read any Twilight stuff, but I have read King. Twilight just seems like, based on what I know of it, to standard teen romance stuff, only with vampires. Not my thing, really. But I like King. I've liked him since I was 19 (I'm 28 now) and he has always been a creative inspiration to me, even though he has his faults.

Yeah, he does tend to be a little too wordy. His earlier books aren't TOO bad about this, if I recall. Cujo seemed fairly tight when I read that back in the day. I never read all but the first Dark Tower book, and it didn't really grab me, but it also didn't seem to have the bad pacing problems some of his stuff does.

The Stand was the worst and best with this. He tried to create a good, detailed vision of post-apocalyptic Earth with depth and wide ranging focus, and in some ways it works (bear in mind I haven't read it since 1995, so forgive me any inaccuracies) but in some ways it doesn't.

It's not great leap to say this is King's biggest weakness. Two examples spring to mind, one from Cujo, where he seems to focus, for some reason, on a kid whose urine soaked diaper is hanging from his torso, and in the Stand, a great deal of focus is spent on, I think it was setting up a laundromat in one of the post-apocalyptic towns. As you an guess, neither of these contributed much, if anything, to the overall story that I recall. I couldn't get anywhere in the Tommyknockers because of this, as the first fifty or so pages seemed to focus on, well, nothing. A woman writing, and spending the day at home while it rained, with lots of details on her period, making tea, and I think the plants outside.

But still, King knows his stuff, and I think he's written some good stories. Like others here, I like the film adaptations better, and I think they show the underlying strength and solid construction of his stories just by stripping away most of the extraneous details.

IT, Salems Lot, Creepshow, The Shining, Firestarter, the Stand miniseries, Carrie, and Creepshow remain some of my favorite horror and sci fi films, and are classics of that genre by any measure.

Twilight certainly gets plenty of flak these days, but with anything popular, especially when it comes out of nowhere, that's to be expected. It's happened with Pokemon, Harry Potter, the Matrix, Manga in general, and any other popular property. Twilight in particular is an easy target, I think, because of it's subject matter and more narrow appeal, as opposed to Harry Potter, the thing it's so often compared to by some, because most people think, maybe rightly, that Twilight is just for angsty goth teens and 30 year old emotionally arrested women who like romance novels.

Sorry if this is treading on ground that was gone over in the aforementioned Harry Potter vs Twilight thread. I haven't posted here in a long time.

[ZechsMerquise1]

King knows twilight is very popular, he has no reason to diss Myers. Maybe he did it uhh sorta like a publicity stunt to get more popular or w.e who knows lol Everybody has their own opinions, I'm sure everybody here has a favorite movie that isn't well known. It's just all about what you like/interested in ;3

[Samurai Drifter]

I don't think it was a publicity stunt. Stephen King's books are way more popular than Twilight.

[Old Ape Face]

King knows twilight is very popular, he has no reason to diss Myers. Maybe he did it uhh sorta like a publicity stunt to get more popular or w.e who knows lol Everybody has their own opinions, I'm sure everybody here has a favorite movie that isn't well known. It's just all about what you like/interested in ;3

You're saying that as if Elvis Presley or the Beatles had as much popular demand as say Wheezer.

Both of them are long gone, and I think if King were long gone they would all still be considered classic writers.

Myers? I dono never heard of her as far as this thread goes.

[Gray]

King knows twilight is very popular, he has no reason to diss Myers. Maybe he did it uhh sorta like a publicity stunt to get more popular or w.e who knows lol


Um, well thats just utterly wrong on every possible level. Popularity has nothing to with Myers being a good writer. She is 'popular' with little girls.

Secondly he's Stephen ****ing King, he dosen't need to try and get 'more popular' because he already is more renowned then she will ever be.

[ZechsMerquise1]

Well at this rate Twilight will get more popular eventually, but I never said Myers was a better writer than King. Well the Twilight movies are supposedly coming out every year, IMO twilight is going to get more popular than King's movies. I don't even hear people talking about King's movies anymore, the last time was probably in Middle school lol which was like in 2000's. Just my opinion but I really don't know about the "older" generations, maybe the older people like king more =o

[kittynboi]

Twilight has a long, long way to go to catch up with King on any front. He's been at it for decades and has undeniably influenced the horror genre in a myriad of ways. Twilight does not even come close to doing that.

Harry Potter is more popular than Twilight and that whole series is not within shouting distance of being as influential as King's work.

[kittynboi]

Also, as others have pointed out, while Twilight did well at the box office, critical reception has been VERY mixed and the fanbase of Twilight, while having a lot going for it in raw numbers, is a fairly narrow demographic, or two; the 30 year old women who like the harlequin romance style genre, and mostly female teenagers.

King's work has shown itself to be much more wide ranging in it's appeal over the decades that it has been released.

Twilight is a book series that has met some success in certain demographics and has had one well grossing film that got a lukewarm reception. I think the following is from Rotten Tomatoes;

"Having lost much of its bite transitioning to the big screen, Twilight will please its devoted fans, but do little for the uninitiated."

The real test of how well Twilight will do is how well it can appeal to a wider demographic, and not just the devoted fans. Is the success of the first film due to genuine appeal, or just typical curiosity due to the attention it was getting? It will be harder to know until a second film is released, or even a third. Word of mouth about the film among the general public, by that I mean those outside this demographic, was, in my experience, extremely negative, especially among one of the biggest marketing demographics, the 18-30 or so demographic. Both males and females in that age range seemed to have a much more negative impression of the film.

It's may be old to keep bringing up Harry Potter, but one thing that series had going for it was that, while initially appealing to younger kids, there was stuff in it that made it not only readable, but genuinely enjoyable, by teenagers and adults of all ages. Same with the films.

I'm somewhat skeptical that Twilight could do the same. I find that "all ages" stuff directed at kids, which generally has lots of charm, fun, and adventure, has a lot of potential to break age barriers and appeal to teenagers and adults as well. Same with more "sophisticated" adult material being of interest, even if superficial, to teens and kids. I sometimes get the feel that things like Twilight, more solidly marketed to teen wants an tastes, tend to have less wide appeal than things mean for kids or adults. This is not an iron clad rule, to be sure, but I think most adults find a good adventure yarn for smaller kids more enjoyable, or at least tolerable, than angsty teen romance, which seems to wear on their patience a bit more.

This is not to say Twilight is BAD because of what I see as this potential lack of appeal, but it does give one pause as to how far the franchise can go. Will it be the next Harry Potter? It's possible, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it wasn't.

At RT, Twilight currently has a 49%.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/twilight/

While that's not awful, it's not a slam dunk for the future of the series. Now, critical reception is, by no means, a tell all, but since we can't let the Harry Potter thing go, and I think for good reason, let's see how it fares on RT.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/harry_potter_and_the_sorcerers_stone/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/harry_potter_and_the_prisoner_of_azkaban/

Two more or less random picks, 78% and 89% as of this writing. I glanced at a few others and saw similar ratings.

So, to come to my conclusion, I think it's POSSIBLE for Twilight to become very popular, maybe even the next Harry Potter, but I'm not holding my breath, and it has a long way to go before it can rival King or any number of other popular writers who have been at it for decades.

[xia]

Well at this rate Twilight will get more popular eventually, but I never said Myers was a better writer than King. Well the Twilight movies are supposedly coming out every year, IMO twilight is going to get more popular than King's movies. I don't even hear people talking about King's movies anymore, the last time was probably in Middle school lol which was like in 2000's. Just my opinion but I really don't know about the "older" generations, maybe the older people like king more =o

Popular does not equal better actually.
So just because King's movies arent as talked about as Twilight is, does not mean that Twilight is better. It only means its THE movie of right now.

[goddessofanime]

No one will care about Twilight in about a year.

[goddessofanime]

Also, as others have pointed out, while Twilight did well at the box office, critical reception has been VERY mixed and the fanbase of Twilight, while having a lot going for it in raw numbers, is a fairly narrow demographic, or two; the 30 year old women who like the harlequin romance style genre, and mostly female teenagers.

King's work has shown itself to be much more wide ranging in it's appeal over the decades that it has been released.

Twilight is a book series that has met some success in certain demographics and has had one well grossing film that got a lukewarm reception. I think the following is from Rotten Tomatoes;



The real test of how well Twilight will do is how well it can appeal to a wider demographic, and not just the devoted fans. Is the success of the first film due to genuine appeal, or just typical curiosity due to the attention it was getting? It will be harder to know until a second film is released, or even a third. Word of mouth about the film among the general public, by that I mean those outside this demographic, was, in my experience, extremely negative, especially among one of the biggest marketing demographics, the 18-30 or so demographic. Both males and females in that age range seemed to have a much more negative impression of the film.

It's may be old to keep bringing up Harry Potter, but one thing that series had going for it was that, while initially appealing to younger kids, there was stuff in it that made it not only readable, but genuinely enjoyable, by teenagers and adults of all ages. Same with the films.

I'm somewhat skeptical that Twilight could do the same. I find that "all ages" stuff directed at kids, which generally has lots of charm, fun, and adventure, has a lot of potential to break age barriers and appeal to teenagers and adults as well. Same with more "sophisticated" adult material being of interest, even if superficial, to teens and kids. I sometimes get the feel that things like Twilight, more solidly marketed to teen wants an tastes, tend to have less wide appeal than things mean for kids or adults. This is not an iron clad rule, to be sure, but I think most adults find a good adventure yarn for smaller kids more enjoyable, or at least tolerable, than angsty teen romance, which seems to wear on their patience a bit more.

This is not to say Twilight is BAD because of what I see as this potential lack of appeal, but it does give one pause as to how far the franchise can go. Will it be the next Harry Potter? It's possible, but I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it wasn't.

At RT, Twilight currently has a 49%.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/twilight/

While that's not awful, it's not a slam dunk for the future of the series. Now, critical reception is, by no means, a tell all, but since we can't let the Harry Potter thing go, and I think for good reason, let's see how it fares on RT.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/harry_potter_and_the_sorcerers_stone/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/harry_potter_and_the_prisoner_of_azkaban/

Two more or less random picks, 78% and 89% as of this writing. I glanced at a few others and saw similar ratings.

So, to come to my conclusion, I think it's POSSIBLE for Twilight to become very popular, maybe even the next Harry Potter, but I'm not holding my breath, and it has a long way to go before it can rival King or any number of other popular writers who have been at it for decades.

Maybe if Meyer keeps on writing she might surpass Rowling in terms of sales....but she's no where near Rowling's statue. Look at all the bad reviews Breaking Dawn got.

Movie-wise, they've already greenlight Eclipse and Breaking Dawn...

Can't wait to see how they handle the utter 'WTF'ness of BD...

[Caster13]

Hm, more Twilight. Guess we'll be seeing more mutant wombs popping up.

No one will care about Twilight in about a year.

Like how in about 6 years from now nobody will remember the Jonas Brothers. Well, unless they get rid of their rings and go on to do other stuff, and by some miracle ONE of them makes it.

Or if one of them marries a famous singer or actress. Flip a coin.

[ZechsMerquise1]

Maybe if Meyer keeps on writing she might surpass Rowling in terms of sales....but she's no where near Rowling's statue. Look at all the bad reviews Breaking Dawn got.

Movie-wise, they've already greenlight Eclipse and Breaking Dawn...

Can't wait to see how they handle the utter 'WTF'ness of BD...

@Xia
Whether or not it's better or w.e anyone says. It's mostly the individuals preference or their taste, not everyone is a fan of horror genre. But Twilight is a little bit mixed up.

But yeah, I can't really picture how their going to do Breaking Dawn

Maybe they'll use CG for Renesmee or a doll o.o but a real infant is out of the question lol

[goddessofanime]

I've never read any Twilight stuff, but I have read King. Twilight just seems like, based on what I know of it, to standard teen romance stuff, only with vampires. Not my thing, really. But I like King. I've liked him since I was 19 (I'm 28 now) and he has always been a creative inspiration to me, even though he has his faults.

Yeah, he does tend to be a little too wordy. His earlier books aren't TOO bad about this, if I recall. Cujo seemed fairly tight when I read that back in the day. I never read all but the first Dark Tower book, and it didn't really grab me, but it also didn't seem to have the bad pacing problems some of his stuff does.

The Stand was the worst and best with this. He tried to create a good, detailed vision of post-apocalyptic Earth with depth and wide ranging focus, and in some ways it works (bear in mind I haven't read it since 1995, so forgive me any inaccuracies) but in some ways it doesn't.

It's not great leap to say this is King's biggest weakness. Two examples spring to mind, one from Cujo, where he seems to focus, for some reason, on a kid whose urine soaked diaper is hanging from his torso, and in the Stand, a great deal of focus is spent on, I think it was setting up a laundromat in one of the post-apocalyptic towns. As you an guess, neither of these contributed much, if anything, to the overall story that I recall. I couldn't get anywhere in the Tommyknockers because of this, as the first fifty or so pages seemed to focus on, well, nothing. A woman writing, and spending the day at home while it rained, with lots of details on her period, making tea, and I think the plants outside.

But still, King knows his stuff, and I think he's written some good stories. Like others here, I like the film adaptations better, and I think they show the underlying strength and solid construction of his stories just by stripping away most of the extraneous details.

IT, Salems Lot, Creepshow, The Shining, Firestarter, the Stand miniseries, Carrie, and Creepshow remain some of my favorite horror and sci fi films, and are classics of that genre by any measure.

Twilight certainly gets plenty of flak these days, but with anything popular, especially when it comes out of nowhere, that's to be expected. It's happened with Pokemon, Harry Potter, the Matrix, Manga in general, and any other popular property. Twilight in particular is an easy target, I think, because of it's subject matter and more narrow appeal, as opposed to Harry Potter, the thing it's so often compared to by some, because most people think, maybe rightly, that Twilight is just for angsty goth teens and 30 year old emotionally arrested women who like romance novels.

Sorry if this is treading on ground that was gone over in the aforementioned Harry Potter vs Twilight thread. I haven't posted here in a long time.


I'm a huge reader and all and I'm definitely not Shakespeare, but I've read fanfiction better than Meyer, which isn't saying much. Bella and Edward are basically a Mary and Gary Stu. They're so perfect and awesome and oooh everyone loves them, it's ridiculous.

But holy sh*t is the fandom entertaining as hell! And there's a lot of older women out there who are basically reading the series in a 'So bad it's good' way *looks guiltily at her copy of Eclipse.

And I think it's also hilarious as hell that the actors for Edward and Bella basically hate the series as well and are terrified of the fans :lol:

King's books aren't always the greatest either but at least the characters aren't perfect either.

[ThePhillyFlash]

No one will care about Twilight in about a year.

I'd be overjoyed if no one cared about Twilight tomorrow! Sadly, another round of fan-inspired madness is on the way with the release of the DVD next week. URGH!

>_<

[kittynboi]

I'm a huge reader and all and I'm definitely not Shakespeare, but I've read fanfiction better than Meyer, which isn't saying much. Bella and Edward are basically a Mary and Gary Stu. They're so perfect and awesome and oooh everyone loves them, it's ridiculous.

But holy sh*t is the fandom entertaining as hell! And there's a lot of older women out there who are basically reading the series in a 'So bad it's good' way *looks guiltily at her copy of Eclipse.

And I think it's also hilarious as hell that the actors for Edward and Bella basically hate the series as well and are terrified of the fans :lol:

King's books aren't always the greatest either but at least the characters aren't perfect either.

I've heard some out-there tales about Twilight fandom. Just yesterday I was telling a friend about all this fervor over Twilight and how I had not heard about the series until the first film. He was telling me how apparently so many girls hassle the actor who was playing Edward if they see him in public and how he hates it so much.

I think one review of one of the books stated that the writing has a "pillowy" quality that's reminiscent of Fanfics. Lulz.

[Shiroiyuki]

Secondly he's Stephen ****ing King, he dosen't need to try and get 'more popular' because he already is more renowned then she will ever be.

YEAH!

And he has the heart of a twelve year old boy. It's on his desk.

If that doesn't say 'I take my career seriously', I don't know what does.

[superplough]

I was gonna make a new thread but we dont need more that two Twilight threads

Apparently, reading Twilight makes French teenagers want to read Emily Bronte and Wuthering Heights.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/article5913509.ece

Well, a) Wuthering Heights sucked and b) they're French so I'm not surprised.

[Daishikaze]

The interesting thing about Wuthering Heights or indeed and work by the Brontes, is that they were not raised around other people, they were home schooled and never interacted with anyone (other than eachother until they went out into the world. They didn't have any idea how people interacted with eachother in a normal way, so their stories certainly reflect that.

[kittynboi]

The interesting thing about Wuthering Heights or indeed and work by the Brontes, is that they were not raised around other people, they were home schooled and never interacted with anyone (other than eachother until they went out into the world. They didn't have any idea how people interacted with eachother in a normal way, so their stories certainly reflect that.

I can't help but think of the South Park episode with the home schooled kids.

[ThePhillyFlash]

I was gonna make a new thread but we dont need more that two Twilight threads

Apparently, reading Twilight makes French teenagers want to read Emily Bronte and Wuthering Heights.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/article5913509.ece

Well, a) Wuthering Heights sucked and b) they're French so I'm not surprised.

Considering the French think Jerry Lewis is the greatest thing since bagettes, is it no wonder they're loopy as hell.

[goddessofanime]

I was gonna make a new thread but we dont need more that two Twilight threads

Apparently, reading Twilight makes French teenagers want to read Emily Bronte and Wuthering Heights.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/article5913509.ece

Well, a) Wuthering Heights sucked and b) they're French so I'm not surprised.

Meyer wishes she could write like Emily Bronte. Anyway..I like Charlotte Bronte and Jane Eyre better.


ROFL at the French.

[Jae Hoon]

Meyer wishes she could write

Sorry I couldn't resist.

[goddessofanime]

ROFL. S'ok.

I agree.

[Caster13]

I was driving home from work the other night and all of a sudden a ton of Twilight fans start calling the radio station I'm listening to asking about the free video they're giving out. Apparently someone gave them the wrong number or something. They were all acting like they were really high. The guy on the radio said something and one girl was like "hahaha your funny!! *pause* What about the Twilight video?" then he hung up. The guy didn't even crack a joke.

Then a bunch of normal people start calling the station asking what the hell is with all of these Twilight fans and everything. The guy was mad. One of the things he said was "I don't know the full moon was a couple days ago" or something like that.:lol: These people are nuts.

[taily]

Harry Potter is more popular than Twilight and that whole series is not within shouting distance of being as influential as King's work.

:lol:

On yeh bike.

Jk rowling has sold more books then King, though he's written 10 times as many and been at it for far longer.

Harry Potter has caused pretty much every major bookstore on the globe to open at midnight, with ques stretching further back than the longest concert ticket lines, people camping for days on the street to reserve their place, lines of people sliding through-out the city, often with staff and shop dressed up in all sorts of HP-related themes.

Harry Potter has made some of the highest grossing films in history, with 4 out of the five making top 20, and 3 more on the way.

Harry Potter was based on prons life.

Sorry. And don't go sulking that HP isn't real litriture or something similarly ****.

[Solid_Snake]

:lol:

On yeh bike.

Jk rowling has sold more books then King


Um, no.


Filler.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Harry Potter was based on prons life.


It's true, it was based off a three day weekend in 1994.

And don't go sulking that HP isn't real litriture or something similarly ****.


I think Harry Potter was incredibly well written. I'll fight Leader Desslock, Tenshi_A and Soluzar all at once if I need too! I'm a pirate and we don't play by the rules.

[taily]

Um, no.


Filler.

you are wrong sorry.

[Solid_Snake]

you are wrong sorry.

I am almost 100% sure that you are wrong. Honestly, show proof of your ridiculous claim or stop talking about stuff you know nothing about.

[taily]

http://www.thebookseller.com/news/61161-page.html
http://www.abc.net.au/news/arts/articulate/200611/s1786544.htm

around 100 million difference

[Solid_Snake]

That's ridiculous. You cited a website that was clearly "Summing up" king. Not actually citing his sales. And it was posted two years before the Harry Potter one.

By the way. Harry Potter are children's books. And it is obviously known that younger rated stuff gets more sales. I mean, by your logic, Goosebumps must be the best book series ever.

[taily]

That's ridiculous. You cited a website that was clearly "Summing up" king. Not actually citing his sales. And it was posted two years before the Harry Potter one.

By the way. Harry Potter are children's books. And it is obviously known that younger rated stuff gets more sales. I mean, by your logic, Goosebumps must be the best book series ever.

No, that's just you twisting my words.

try searching for any viable sorces stating stephen kings sales figures in concrete recently. At least I've given a sorce, and it's not as if King is going to catch up 100 million in 2 years. I could link you to this wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_King but of course because you can't come up with any sort of comeback you will dismiss wikipedia as an unreliable sorce.

EDIT: Oh well I think we can both agree King and Rowling stomp Mayer or whatever her name is to the ground in sales figures, quality, AND influence

[Solid_Snake]

And you also forget to realize that JK Rowling has little to nothing(Besides the story.) to do with the HP movies. King has a huge cult following, and he wrote effin' Creepshow. Seriously.

Troll harder, kid. You have yet to give me a credible source of sales figures regarding all of Stephen kings books.

By the way, Harry Potter sucks.

[taily]

And you also forget to realize that JK Rowling has little to nothing(Besides the story.)

1. Lmao at the original story being thrown aside as something irrelivent

2. JK had alot of control of the films, and is known for selling less rights then most authors

to do with the HP movies.

Are you seriously saying HP's main fanbase came from the movies :lol:

King has a huge cult following, and he wrote effin' Creepshow. Seriously.

Jk Rowling has a huge cult following, and he wrote effin' Harry Potter. Seriosuly.

I am by no means saying King isn't very influental or popular, or even that he's less so than JK, but it's a tough contest and if you don't agree quite frankly your dumb.

You have yet to give me a credible source of sales figures regarding all of Stephen kings books.

You have yet to give me a sorce at all for absoulutally anything you're saying.

By the way, Harry Potter sucks.

tch, you have no taste. Hell, you've probably only read the first chapter of Philosphers stone and a bad slash fanfic.

[Solid_Snake]

2. JK had alot of control of the films, and is known for selling less rights then most authors

Sure, she had control. But I will give the "Goodness" of the movies to the Director. You can have a crap script, actors and screenplay and turn it into gold with the right directors.



Are you seriously saying HP's main fanbase came from the movies :lol:

Yea, no. I never said that. Try reading my post next time.

Jk Rowling has a huge cult following, and he wrote effin' Harry Potter. Seriosuly.
He's a She. Sorry to burst your bubble.

I am by no means saying King isn't very influental or popular, or even that he's less so than JK, but it's a tough contest and if you don't agree quite frankly your dumb.

I am quite positive that Harry Potter will be long forgotten when its Fan base "Hits puberty".
You have yet to give me a sorce at all for absoulutally anything you're saying.

I apparently have to have a source for disagreeing with you on your whacked out claims? Honestly. I asked for proof, you gave me two, two year old web sites. And a wiki article. I have not claimed to anything that I could give you source of.

tch, you have no taste. Hell, you've probably only read the first chapter of Philosphers stone and a bad slash fanfic.
Because I tend to like books above third grade reading level? Sorry. I don't like kids books.

[taily]

Yea, no. I never said that. Try reading my post next time.


It's what you were implying, or seemed to be.

He's a She. Sorry to burst your bubble.

it was a typo

I am quite positive that Harry Potter will be long forgotten when its Fan base "Hits puberty".


You've never read Harry Potter. It gets pretty dark.

I apparently have to have a source for disagreeing with you on your whacked out claims?

Yes, yes you do. I said Jk has sold more, you said I was wrong. I've given my proof and you have not given anything contradicting it.

Honestly. I asked for proof, you gave me two, two year old web sites. And a wiki article.

And you gave me nothing what-so-ever when I asked for proof.

I have not claimed to anything that I could give you source of.

You've said King has sold more copies then Rowling.

Because I tend to like books above third grade reading level? Sorry. I don't like kids books.

Again, you have never read Harry Potter so you can't comment. It's like, "I've never tried that food at all but I don't like it and it's awful."

[Gray]

Sure, she had control. But I will give the "Goodness" of the movies to the Director. You can have a crap script, actors and screenplay and turn it into gold with the right directors.

Except for the fact the Director had no story what-so-ever without the book, hence no movie at all, so I am not sure where your trying to go with that one.

And you also forget to realize that JK Rowling has little to nothing(Besides the story.)

Oh right, besides the story. Because thats not important at all. You might as well say you've got icing but no cake.

[Solid_Snake]

Except for the fact the Director had no story what-so-ever without the book, hence no movie at all, so I am not sure where your trying to go with that one.



Oh right, besides the story. Because thats not important at all. You might as well say you've got icing but no cake.

I said I gave her the story. But look, if Uwe Bowl did the Harry Potter movies they would be utter ****. All I'm sayin'.

[Gray]

I said I gave her the story. But look, if Uwe Bowl did the Harry Potter movies they would be utter ****. All I'm sayin'.

Touche, considering what he does with video game material.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I just thought I'd pop in and say I saw the Twilight movie today.

I liked it a lot more than what I read of the book. It had a lot of nice establishing shots, the dialouge was a lot more entertaining than the book, there was a lot of weird camera work going on in the movie too.

I also found that just about every scene from the book was more interesting in the movie. Bella searching for vampires on google is presented in a semi-music video style, which I thought was a nice touch. One thing that didn't adapt well to film (but frankly didn't make sense in the book either) was what happens to Edward when he gets into the sunlight. I couldn't figure out what they were talking about, he just looked really bright. Frankly I'd be bright too if I was standing in the sunlight.

I also hated the make up on the characters. They kept talking about how sexy Edward was but the makeup made him look almost like a clown. His dad too. I know he's a vampire but frankly I've never seen a vampire wearing lipstick.

Bella's actress is really bad. I can understand her acting like Daria most of the time, but even when something big is going on she acts like Daria. There's a scene when she goes to the police station and sees all these sirens and stuff and she says "Oh, what is happening?" it almost sounded sarcastic how nonshalant it was.

On the other hand, Edward's actor was really good. He managed to avoid being typecast, surprisngly. He wasn't Cedric Diggory from Harry Potter in this movie, he was[/] Edward-- if you consider that a good or bad thing.

The best actor was Bella's Dad. He was really good at "saying a lot without saying a word," he really created a mood to where you could tell what he was thinking and feeling without him saying it.

We got literally no character development from any of the characters. Edward has a sister who's kind of a ***** and hates Bella, but it never goes anywhere, the tension doesn't increase or decrease, it just sort of parks itself at "wow this is awkward" for the entire movie. We barely even get to hear Edward's relative's names. We don't even know what their personalities are.

Considering this was a two hour movie, there's really no excuse for that kind of thing. Strangely enough the "non-vampire" students have more development and charm than the actual vampires, while in the book the other students were just plain annoying.


A lot of scenes in this movie were like music videos, Edward being introduced kind of reminded me of that scene from Fast Times At Ridgemont High when the chick gets out of the pool and the Cars is blasting in the background. Except Bella wasn't jacking off. There was also that "google music video," and the ending was a music video.

In fact there was a scene where we got to see vampire baseball (what), and it was pretty much just a Radiohead music video. But radiohead is sweet and vampires playing baseball is something I just can't refuse.

But then the wonderful game gets interuppted by the BAD VAMPIRES. Bascially this is at one hour and thirty minutes into the movie, it's kind of like the director said "Man, this movie is going great so far, we got this cool Vampire baseball game and **** THE MOVIE IS ALMOST OVER AND WE NEED A STORY. QUICK, ADD SOME VILLIANS"

The villians just sort of show up and we almost seeGOOD VS EVIL VAMPIRE BASEBALL but the moive limps out on us.

Then we get led to a lengthy "o **** we getting chased" seqeunce but it falls flat because frankly, we don't know [I]who the villians are, why they eat people, why they want to chase Bella across country (literally) to eat her when there's an entire city of equally bland teenagers they could be eating.

There's even a sequence when the head villian vampire comes and warns the main cast about these two badass vampires that want to eat them. WHy does he betray his comrades and tell the main characters to watch out? Idunno, the movie doesn't care enough to explain it.

The fight scene was pretty decent. But there was no good build up for it, in fact I kind of bet the movie would have rather not have had a fight scene or villians. I'm sure the movie, if it could think and talk, would just want more scenes of Bella and Edward getting it on.


The prom scene at the end felt tacked on, and the "ohh there will be a sequel" bit fell flat.


Anyway, I'd give it a 6/10. It's an unusual movie, and probably the only time the movie was better than the book it was based off of. But I found it hard to get pumped for the final chase and fight scene.

[superplough]

6/10 is pretty generous seeing how many thigns you found wrong with it. Thanks for the review though.

I might rent the DVD one day when it's in the dollar bin.

[animegurl]

I completely agree w/ Prons.

[goddessofanime]

Prons needs to do movie reviews from now on

[ThePhillyFlash]

Yo, Prons! Good review, my friend. Very detailed without giving too much away. Well done. As for the movie itself, I won't waste my time with it, but the review was darn spiffy!

[The Million Dollar Prons]

6/10 is pretty generous seeing how many thigns you found wrong with it. Thanks for the review though.

I might rent the DVD one day when it's in the dollar bin.

Well I always try to keep in mind the movie's genre, target audiance, and what it was aiming for and what it should have been aiming for. I praised the hell out of the new Friday the 13th because it did exactly what it wanted to and was supposed to do.

I think Twilight knew what it was supposed to do, and it did about half of that. To be frank the only good actors in the movie are Edward and Bella's dad, which in a way is a saving grace because if you saw this movie you probably went to see it for Edward.


I'm still not convinced Edward is a vampire though. Sure he can do some acrobatics, , but I've done that "Pretend to be a vampire to get it on with a Daria clone" techinque before. At least when Stephen King writes vampires, we know they're vampires. Or killer dogs. Or rabid lamp monsters, depending on the book


P.S. If you're curious about the best scene in the movie, Vampire Baseball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0JfgEwIS4w Of course in this video you also get to see the weakest standoff in movie history

[Caster13]

I'm still not convinced Edward is a vampire though. Sure he can do some acrobatics, , but I've done that "Pretend to be a vampire to get it on with a Daria clone" techinque before. At least when Stephen King writes vampires, we know they're vampires. Or killer dogs. Or rabid lamp monsters, depending on the book

Or demonic possessed sheet cleaning machines.:| Actually that one was pretty good.

....wait a second, how the **** can you NOT remember Children of The Corn!?!?!!!:blink: Hell why isn't that even in this thread?:huh:

[ZechsMerquise1]

My favorite part was the baseball part lol specially on this parody lmao wow o.o 3million views, last week it was only 2million o.o (bella is hot o.o)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goix7jFXD9Q
"It's time" LOL

Anyways, I think did pretty well with the cast. Bella could do better though, she's still new and could improve her acting. Jasper is exactly what I thought he was gonna be lol, even though the siblings didn't have much character development..they still did pretty good =o specially Rosalie. Yeah, the dad did the best xD


Edit*
Did anyone ever watch Can't Hardly Wait?
The character that played Carlisle was that funny dude that dated Jennifer love hewitt in the movie lol I think that was one of her first movies ever, pretty good and funny xD then after that...the rest of her movies were pretty boring

[goddessofanime]

I bought the movie (shut up...) today; when I got home, I open the movie and THERES NO DISC.

I call the store up and apparently, this seems to be a common problem.

[Caster13]

I bought the movie (shut up...) today; when I got home, I open the movie and THERES NO DISC.

I call the store up and apparently, this seems to be a common problem.

There must be Twilight fans working at the place that makes the DVDs.

Or God hates Twilight and doesn't want any more fanatic fans.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Or demonic possessed sheet cleaning machines.:| Actually that one was pretty good.

....wait a second, how the **** can you NOT remember Children of The Corn!?!?!!!:blink: Hell why isn't that even in this thread?:huh:

I remember it, it's just easy to forget because it was much more famous as a movie than a short story. I think a lot of people know Stephen King wrote it, but no one remembers ever seeing "Children of the corn" on a store shelf, because it was actually part of an anthology.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goix7jFXD9Q
"It's time" LOL


I did laugh.

I bought the movie (shut up...) today; when I got home, I open the movie and THERES NO DISC.


Man I can imagine like a Twilight fangirl getting her pre-order blu ray or whatever:

:D!!!
(opens the stupid little latches on the side of the box you need to open the game with wtf)
=O!!!
=(!!!!
TO THE INTERNET!!!

[goddessofanime]

This is God telling me, 'dont' watch that movie'.


But tell me again why the hell this is so big? It's just another vampire story.

[superplough]

I still cant believe you actually bought it, sale or not

[The Million Dollar Prons]

This is God telling me, 'dont' watch that movie'.


But tell me again why the hell this is so big? It's just another vampire story.


The real reason it's popular is because of Edward.

When you're a 15 year old girl, you're suddenly faced with the fact that you're becoming an adult and everyone around you is starting to have sex with their boyfriends. This can be really intimidating considering guys are all about "Ohh yeah I totally banged this one chick and then banged her sister."

So basically you have this guy who's kind of what a girl wants. He's muscular, but he's not a jock or an athlete, he's attractive but he's not sorrounded by girls so there's no "o no i am not good enough to compete with the other girl" phenomena that 15 year old girls usually feel.

I'm sure you've heard this before, the "non-threatening" guy. Even at his most antagonistic, Edward isn't threatening at all, and compared to real life he's interested in loving you for eternity; while us real life guys just want to see your boobs. The thought process of Twilight is, the name "Bella" is just a place holder for YOU.

This is different compared to Stephen King, his characters are actually characters, I can't think of a stephen king book where he tried to insert the reader into the story.

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Although not a masterpiece, I didn't have any problems with it knowing that it was an adaptation. The lack of character development was not surprising in the least.

The actress who played Bella is actually very attractive. No doubt she will get more acting experience later on.

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the whole reason i hate twilight in general is because they crapped all over the vampire base.

'they don't kill humans, they kill animals'
ok, explains how they feed

'they only come out in the day when it's cloudy as hell'
alright, ballsy but they fear the sun right?

'they don't burn and die in the sun, they SPARKLE'
...0_o... sparkle?

that is when i decided to troll the hell out of my sister about the fact that she loves twilight to no end. vampires are ****s, no exceptions.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I never did understand the sparkling. In the book it didn't make much sense, in the movie it's not even a noticable effect.

[ThePhillyFlash]

I remember it, it's just easy to forget because it was much more famous as a movie than a short story. I think a lot of people know Stephen King wrote it, but no one remembers ever seeing "Children of the corn" on a store shelf, because it was actually part of an anthology.

I remember Children of the Corn, the first movie that is. If memory serves, Linda Hamilton was one of the stars, as for the flick itself, it sucked eggs.

[ZechsMerquise1]

Hopefully in New Moon, they add more character development with the other characters and add some stuff about the Volturi...because I don't wanna watch over 90 mins of EmoBella+Jacob time, they should lengthen the Volturi part and cut out some unnecessary EmoBella+Jacob time.

But I don't think that's going to happen since apparently the new director "wants" to make the fans happy and make it very similar to the book. But I'm sure some of the fans out there won't mind if they do more character development with the other siblings and add some more scenes for the volturi part.

[goddessofanime]

the whole reason i hate twilight in general is because they crapped all over the vampire base.

'they don't kill humans, they kill animals'
ok, explains how they feed

That concept's not really new. There's been vampire stories before where they've drank animal blood or they take it from the local blood bank. Or if you're familar with True Blood, they take pills.

'they only come out in the day when it's cloudy as hell'
alright, ballsy but they fear the sun right?

'they don't burn and die in the sun, they SPARKLE'
...0_o... sparkle?

that is when i decided to troll the hell out of my sister about the fact that she loves twilight to no end. vampires are ****s, no exceptions.


I can't wait to see if they ever do make Breaking Dawn.

You all thought the blue penis in Watchmen was something? All I have is two words: SPARKLE PEEN

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[Melion]

Stephen King > everybody.

I like every book I have from that guy so that is showing SOMETHING!

F**k Twilight.

[Caster13]

A sparkling penis? What is this, porn?

The real reason it's popular is because of Edward.

When you're a 15 year old girl, you're suddenly faced with the fact that you're becoming an adult and everyone around you is starting to have sex with their boyfriends. This can be really intimidating considering guys are all about "Ohh yeah I totally banged this one chick and then banged her sister."

People start having sex before 15.

[kittynboi]

A sparkling penis? What is this, porn?



People start having sex before 15.

Not Twilight fans. I think they start around 30.

[goddessofanime]

They all think Edward Cullen exists

[The Million Dollar Prons]

People start having sex before 15.


Not the ones that read Twilight.

They all think Edward Cullen exists

Of course they do, Twilight is written with the intention that the reader (undersexed woman) will read the book and everytime it says "Bella" their mind will read "ME."

[kittynboi]

Lets put it this way.

Which is the better vampire tale?

Twilight?

Or

Salems Lot?

[Caster13]

Lets put it this way.

Which is the better vampire tale?

Twilight?

Or

Buffy?

Fixed. Buffy would beat the ****ing **** out of Edward.

[ThePhillyFlash]

They all think Edward Cullen exists

A damn sad commentary indeed!

[goddessofanime]

Fixed. Buffy would beat the ****ing **** out of Edward.

And Bill Compton(True Blood) would rip his still beating heart out.

[goddessofanime]

Lets put it this way.

Which is the better vampire tale?

Twilight?

Or

Salems Lot?

Neither.

Lestat pwns you

[superplough]

Salem's Lot was a great book.

[Undrave]

Stupid vampires. Vampire stories are ridiculously overrated. They used to be this disease that you get from a bite, a curse that turns you into a blood sucking monster...now they're just some vapid 'bad boy' or 'troubled soul' archetypes for girls to fawn over.

Twilight is nothing but a self-instertion fanfic that got published and caught on. Blegh. I bet Stephanie Meyer used to have an account on Fanfiction.net and write stuff like Ranma romance story or something where a new girl arrives in town >.>

[Trefellin]

Twilight is probably the only extremely popular series of books that is best described as a masturbation fantasy.

[l0k1]

Well to address some of the points of the past 9 pages.

Stephen King books are defiently full of far too much preamble, i'm reading the 'Dark Tower' series atm, it has an underlying good idea surrounded by the characters going off in wild tangents for 20 or 30 pages for no reason without any context to the larger picture.

I just finished 'A song of Ice and Fire' before starting this and those books were really long, but amazingly addictive aswell.

J K Rowling can write thats for sure and yes, they do get darker after the first few books, but the ending seemed rush let's take our characters out of the school setting they've been in for 6 books and have them search for magic items we've only just heard about, she needed to scrap that idea and rewrite it >.> and the last chapter, yay we're all grown up on a train station and we have kids..wow way to kill off all the sembelance of tension/love interest you'd been building i imagine she was under a lot of pressure.

And of course they would open the stores at midnight for the fans, they would lose out on good money what else do you need to know.

I don't particulary rate the movies, aside from some fine acting from some notable names it was the main characters 'acting' that put me off not that you find many decent child actors, some exceptions that spring to mind are 'Claudia from Interview with a Vampire and Alia from Dune'

I haven't actually read Twilight or seen the film but that seems redundant now, im tempted to watch the film to actually understand the screaming fangirl obsession, but Vampires are rarely done well in book or film.


P.S. If you're curious about the best scene in the movie, Vampire Baseball: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0JfgEwIS4w Of course in this video you also get to see the weakest standoff in movie history

Them having a baseball faceoff was exactly what needed to happen there

[Nomnomnom]

I wouldn't blame him, I can't see how so many people are a fan of that stupid movie/book.

[goddessofanime]

.

Twilight is nothing but a self-instertion fanfic that got published and caught on. Blegh. I bet Stephanie Meyer used to have an account on Fanfiction.net and write stuff like Ranma romance story or something where a new girl arrives in town >.>

And Ranma sparkles and stalks Akane

[superplough]

Well to address some of the points of the past 9 pages.

Stephen King books are defiently full of far too much preamble, i'm reading the 'Dark Tower' series atm, it has an underlying good idea surrounded by the characters going off in wild tangents for 20 or 30 pages for no reason without any context to the larger picture.
Well, I do agree with that. I still like him though.

J K Rowling can write thats for sure and yes, they do get darker after the first few books, but the ending seemed rush let's take our characters out of the school setting they've been in for 6 books and have them search for magic items we've only just heard about, she needed to scrap that idea and rewrite it >.> and the last chapter, yay we're all grown up on a train station and we have kids..wow way to kill off all the sembelance of tension/love interest you'd been building i imagine she was under a lot of pressure.
You are so right. Worst ending ever. If I was her, I would have taken my time and wrote something actually good instead of that rushed crap.

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[CrossboneGundam]

The only difference between twilight and "my immortal" is twilight got published.

[TalaRain]

I happened to like both Harry Potter and Twilight. I thought the end of Harry Potter was a bit rushed but not as bad as it could have been. I also liked Twilight and wish there was more to read on that.

I am not a 'die hard fan' of either J K Rowling or Stephanie Meyer. They wrote books that they thought would entertain both adults and teens. Some, ok A LOT, have taken things too far but I found both of their ideas and approaches were unique and refreshing to very old and over-told legends.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

J K Rowling can write thats for sure and yes, they do get darker after the first few books, but the ending seemed rush let's take our characters out of the school setting they've been in for 6 books and have them search for magic items we've only just heard about, she needed to scrap that idea and rewrite it >.> and the last chapter, yay we're all grown up on a train station and we have kids..wow way to kill off all the sembelance of tension/love interest you'd been building i imagine she was under a lot of pressure.




What's wrong with taking them out of school for the last year? I thought that was a great choice, because Voldermort has consitantly taken away everything Harry Potter has loved. Now in a way, he had taken away his home, and it led to a lot of tension because Harry Potter was alone, scared, and cut off from all his friends. It was really the darkest before the dawn. As for the magical items, they've been around since book 2 it's not like they introduced them in the last chapter of book 6.

[Aragami]

I'm reading Steven King's On Writing for a fiction writing class. It's bad, idiotic even.

Edit: I know he's popular *wink*, but so is Twilight. Pick your poison.

[Danju]

He did mention, in his criticism of Twilight, that it's got pace that appeals to its readership, and, well, considering that his definition of good pace is "watching snails run a 26 mile marathon", that might mean that book is more readable?
The thing about Stephen King to me is that he sets his own pace, fluctuating it here and there without any real pattern, settling into a roller coaster ride that you'll either fall into or you won't. If you do you're in for a treat, because he really is a good author. If you don't, well, it can simply be a terrible experience. Pet Sematary, for example, I enjoyed greatly while IT bored me to tears.

What separates a "good" writer from a "bad" one to me isn't so much of an issue of pace but rather execution and creativity. There are many methods and styles to writing a story, but to truly write an exceptional one there are certain elements that just need to be there; being a skilled word-smith, bursting to the seams with intelligence and creativity, understanding your audience and channeling their feelings, engrossing them in a believable and rewarding story all need to be present to be succesful. Stephen King nails all of these feats but one; his stories are creative and unique, polished with intelligence but lacking in a true understanding of who will read them. Stephenie Meyer, on the other hand, fails conclusively on all of these elements but one. Whether I understand it or not, she obviously understands her audience and by some pagan witchery has engrossed them in a bland and uninteresting world of high school cliches and teenage angst.

As with all things (music, television, cinema, food, what have you) I believe there will always be more "bad" than there will be "good". You just need to sift through the piles of coal to find those shiny, precious diamonds. The Wheel of Time is a prime example. Arguably the slowest story with the most boring sidetracks ever conceived, it's still overall one of my favorite series. Sometimes, well, it just requires a little patience. :)

I understand opinions vary, sometimes to the extreme (I'm looking at you, Walt my boy) but there are some things that I believe are just irrefutable. One of which being that Stephanie Meyer sucks and should drop the pen for life and return our youth to us. *cough*
Way to discredit everything I wrote, huh?

[Aragami]

^I think that the thing about Steven King is that he does have the audience in mind. After all, from a very young age he was relentless in his attempts to market and sell his material. There is nothing bursting-at-the-seams intelligent about his low-brow horror novels, nor anything plausible, except the situation that precedes the super-natural conflict. The stories are not truly creative, but are merely novel. Steven King does not smith words- His stories are as dictated by a very clear-minded person who has no need for esoteric terms. His virtue is that he is lucid; indeed an understandable narrative is presented.

The only thing I like about Steven King, reading "on writing", is that he is pretty much openly a for-profit author. There is no double standard. He writes stories he thinks people will want to read and enjoy, and he sells them. He is motivated by profit, clearly. He does not have to forego financial success to be "an artist".

On a side note, there is no arcanum.

[l0k1]

Stephen King can diaf after he made me read his mess of a magnum opus, and then ending it in such a way that a book burning was called for.

What's wrong with taking them out of school for the last year? I thought that was a great choice, because Voldermort has consitantly taken away everything Harry Potter has loved. Now in a way, he had taken away his home, and it led to a lot of tension because Harry Potter was alone, scared, and cut off from all his friends. It was really the darkest before the dawn. As for the magical items, they've been around since book 2 it's not like they introduced them in the last chapter of book 6.

Old quoted post is old, I don't seem bitter enough back then.

What was I doing arguing about HP.

[Spoonsnuggle]

OK, coming from someone who loved the books of the Twilight Saga, I can honestly say that all four of them were AWFUL!! It really is just 2,000 pages of Bella whining and saying how much she loves Edward. The thing that really p*sses me off is that Bella starts out as a very independent person, and then becomes completely dependent on Edward. Honestly, the only REAL girls in this story who are independent are the villans: like Victoria.

[earsofdoom]

I can see the comments on the new moon dvd release now....

-This is a terrible movie!!! "Roger Ebert"
-Meyers can't write worth a damn. "Stephen King"

[Sora N]

Personally, I think Stephen King can’t write…I hate his writing style and I could never get into his books. So, his opinion on Stephenie Meyer doesn’t mean anything to me.


-This is a terrible movie!!! "Roger Ebert"

Also, I never listen to reviewers either…

[earsofdoom]

Personally, I think Stephen King can’t write…I hate his writing style and I could never get into his books. So, his opinion on Stephenie Meyer doesn’t mean anything to me.



Also, I never listen to reviewers either…

Regardless of King's style he's quite the established writer, he's got allot of books out there and even though there are many people dislike chance's are he's got at least one those peaple would like as apposed to meyers and rowling whom only have one book (both are currently writeing another but from what i've heard they arn't exactly doing well) which was advertised very well to there target audience. its not so much his opinion of meyers as it is his point that twilight is terribly written which he hits right on the head even being a fan im sure you know full well the book wouldn't exactly get an A as an English writing assignment. Basically King knows the anatomy of writing and Ebert knows the anatomy of movie's even if you don't agree with there taste's there points about twilights flaws are kinda undeniable.

Im probably the only one on these forums whom enjoyed event horizon but i can't call it a good movie because it just simply isn't well written which i completely accept.

Im just not sure what there going to do for there dvd release though, i mean every review source of any integrity calls twilight awful so what are they going to do for there random caption's?

[Aragami]

Basically King knows the anatomy of writing and Ebert knows the anatomy of movie's even if you don't agree with there taste's there points about twilights flaws are kinda undeniable.

King can fill pages. It comes across as naturalism. He can ramble and- what makes him a writer- indite his ramblings. However he has no style. What On Writing reveals about style and structural thinking is that he has no purpose in mind when he's writing. Look at the Elements of Style, and then look at On Writing. His writing that I have observed could be described as organic, but not with much anatomical, as you'd say, or structural thought.

He professedly admires low-brow scripts for televisino programs. Twilight is probably, like, faggy ot him or something like that. I have never experienced this twilight nonsense,s o Iwon't comment on it. Writers fill space.

[ThePhillyFlash]

By the by, if anyone's interested, a Twilight graphic novel is on the way. Saw sample pages of same in the January 29th issue of Entertainment Weekly.

[goddessofanime]

By the by, if anyone's interested, a Twilight graphic novel is on the way. Saw sample pages of same in the January 29th issue of Entertainment Weekly.

Yeah I have that issue too. :)

The art's crappy as hell.

[Rapture]

They all think Edward Cullen exists

I read about this study about older, twilight-obsessed women. It showed that some of the women began pressuring their husbands/boyfriends to act more Edward-like, and a percentage of the women even divorced their husbands for not being Edward.

[goddessofanime]

I read about this study about older, twilight-obsessed women. It showed that some of the women began pressuring their husbands/boyfriends to act more Edward-like, and a percentage of the women even divorced their husbands for not being Edward.

I've read that too.

How sad is that? Amirite?

[Rapture]

I've read that too.

How sad is that? Amirite?

It's incredibly pathetic. I want to know how someone gets so divorced from reality that such a thing can even occur.

[earsofdoom]

So... they divorced there husbands for not wearing glitter, not being 100 year-old virgins, and not wanting to kill them and suck there blood from time to time?

[Old Ape Face]

So... they divorced there husbands for not wearing glitter, not being 100 year-old virgins, and not wanting to kill them and suck there blood from time to time?

nah they divorced because they just weren't named Edward Cullen at birth...

Sad story too... but I guess this is an affective use of birth control.

I guess men aren't the only ones with fetish fantasies. I mean men are still searching the hottest cutest chick in the world with a perfect attitude, and Anime help them find it just a little bit.

While Stephani Meyer, is searching for the perfect guy in a fantasy world.

we can't win them all.

[Caster13]

I read about this study about older, twilight-obsessed women. It showed that some of the women began pressuring their husbands/boyfriends to act more Edward-like, and a percentage of the women even divorced their husbands for not being Edward.

:facepalm::facepalm:
:facepalm::facepalm:

I think that Twitards may actually be worse than Trekkies. Not as bad as furries though.

[ThePhillyFlash]

It's incredibly pathetic. I want to know how someone gets so divorced from reality that such a thing can even occur.

Can you imagine how rotten those men feel, kicked to the curb in favor of a fictional character? I know that would drive me to drink.

[old hat]

What amazes me is how much time and energy some people spend telling everyone they don't like a teen romance franchise.