Used toys now illegal?

[Mr March]

More worthless "we-want-utopia" legislation :)

News article on Kvue.com (http://www.kvue.com/news/top/stories/010609kvue-kids_lead-me.466a87af.html)

New law restricts re-sale of kid's products
By SHELTON GREEN / KVUE News

A new federal law is raising concerns and questions nationwide and here in Austin.

On February 10, 2009 it will be illegal to re-sell any used children's products including toys and clothing. That is according to the U.S. Consumer Protection & Safety Commission who pushed for the new laws after dozens of toys were recalled in 2008 because of lead concerns.

Toys, clothing and other items used by children under 12 will be subjected to lead testing and will have to have labels on them to prove that they have passed inspection.

What is raising the ire of parents and business owners far and wide is what this will mean to clothing, toys and other children products made before February 10, 2009.

Gary Walthall, the owner of Once upon a Child, a resale shop specializing in children's clothing and other items, is afraid that he'll have to close up shop.

Adding to the confusion and frustration is the fact that the U.S. Consumer Products and Safety Commission is not returning calls or e-mails to the countless re-salers and even journalists who have tried in vain to get clarification on what the law means to garage sales and how it will be enforced.

[Soluzar]

I wonder what this means for toy collectors? Surely it is a shame if all toys from a few years ago are now illegal to sell, even if no child will ever touch them.

Some video games are also used by children under 12. That's an uncomfortable thought.

[Lacan]

This is very wrong and anti american. This law will hurt possible reused video games like Atari 2600, NES, etc. It will stop sells of retro toys like He Man and GI Joe on auction sites etc.

Hopefully Obama will put a stop to this, since alot of people are asking him right now on his website.

[tenshi_a]

Maybe you could reclassify them all as antiques to get around the silly law?

[Old Ape Face]

oh mad I totally thought this was a thread about boy toys.

[Gray]

This is very wrong and anti american. This law will hurt possible reused video games like Atari 2600, NES, etc. It will stop sells of retro toys like He Man and GI Joe on auction sites etc.

Hopefully Obama will put a stop to this, since alot of people are asking him right now on his website.

They are taking about old toy's and clothing, due to some few and far between Lead Poisoning concerns. Video Games have nothing to do with it.

[Lacan]

They are taking about old toy's and clothing, due to some few and far between Lead Poisoning concerns. Video Games have nothing to do with it.

Um read their website and you will find that they may even put video games in the mix.

And I blame Idiot *** Bush for signing this bill. I hope Obama can remove this law and a trillion other dumbass laws that Bush put out along with undemocratic Congress did with him.

[Old Ape Face]

Um read their website and you will find that they may even put video games in the mix.

And I blame Idiot *** Bush for signing this bill. I hope Obama can remove this law and a trillion other dumbass laws that Bush put out along with undemocratic Congress did with him.

*sigh* it's always bush, well come next year I think lack of toys will be the least of your worries, and that I doubt Bush has anything to do with it. Our economy is going to go bankrupt. It will take a genious to dig us out of this mess.

Your high and mighty Obama better come up with something ASAP, and it seems he's already on the Ball.

This is a ****** time to be a president right now.

[Lacan]

I'm actually scared of America's future due to the ultra horrible economy that we are having right now.

Well anyway, I would at least like to be able to buy old Nintendo Games for my NES. Besides old video games and toys shouldn't be shunned, especially if they have historic value. Its like someone making law banning Museum artifacts.

[Old Ape Face]

I'm actually scared of America's future due to the ultra horrible economy that we are having right now.

Well anyway, I would at least like to be able to buy old Nintendo Games for my NES. Besides old video games and toys shouldn't be shunned, especially if they have historic value. Its like someone making law banning Museum artifacts.

you're really putting out your best efforts to help the economy aren't you? Instead of worrying about what video game you can't buy you could be out looking for a way to make a living.

[Lacan]

you're really putting out your best efforts to help the economy aren't you? Instead of worrying about what video game you can't buy you could be out looking for a way to make a living.

True, I do have money saved up for hard times *though it might be useless if the economy destroys itself completely*, but I'm just trying to say if this would mean vintage games like Mario on the NES would be illegal?

[superplough]

Once again, I'm glad I dont live in the US

[Old Ape Face]

Once again, I'm glad I dont live in the US

I'm starting to get the Idea that moving to Canada is a wise choice,

[JoeStrummer]

^ We don't want you

Nevertheless I'm sure my dad is glad he's in Canada since he collects a lot of old toys and stuff. Since when do old toys generate lead though?

[Bernard_Monsha]

Ha, no more second hand Macs.

[Old Ape Face]

^ We don't want you

Nevertheless I'm sure my dad is glad he's in Canada since he collects a lot of old toys and stuff. Since when do old toys generate lead though?

oh but the Ignorant folk of America (the ones who got us in this mess in the first place) wont think to move to Canada, they're too busy worrying about the drug market.

[Magami No ER]

Better stock up at Goodwill! =O

[goddessofanime]

More worthless "we-want-utopia" legislation :)

News article on Kvue.com (http://www.kvue.com/news/top/stories/010609kvue-kids_lead-me.466a87af.html)

Now here's something that's more worthwhile to fight than some poor idiot getting busted for their right to read loliporn.

[Old Ape Face]

Bye the way, Obama has a plan to get rid of useless projects and only spend money on things we absolutly need.

Would this be considered a useless project?

[Bernard_Monsha]

Bye the way, Obama has a plan to get rid of useless projects and only spend money on things we absolutly need.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Best joke I have read all year.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

Toys, clothing and other items used by children under 12 will be subjected to lead testing and will have to have labels on them to prove that they have passed inspection.

Clothes? Lead? What kind of freakish material do they make clothes from in America? I've heard of lead based paint but never lead based thread.

*sigh* it's always bush, well come next year I think lack of toys will be the least of your worries, and that I doubt Bush has anything to do with it.

Well he is the head of the executive... he's probably somehow involved in the process of law making.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Best joke I have read all year.

Yeah, this week hasn't been all that funny, has it? :shifty:

[The Million Dollar Prons]

ITT: Video games are made out of led.

[Leader Desslock]

Clothes? Lead? What kind of freakish material do they make clothes from in America? I've heard of lead based paint but never lead based thread.
You know, back in the cold war... the clothes were designed to protect from fallout. :unsure: Um...

Yeah! And with the whole 'retro clothing' look.. people are buying up all those old lead clothes. And, um... eating 'em. Yeah.

It's a big health risk.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

ITT: Video games are made out of led.

They aren't especially edible either.

You know, back in the cold war... the clothes were designed to protect from fallout. :unsure: Um...

Yeah! And with the whole 'retro clothing' look.. people are buying up all those old lead clothes. And, um... eating 'em. Yeah.

It's a big health risk.

Reverse sweat. When your sweat glands open up some of the sweat will fall back in ... so ... yeah deadly, deadly lead aprons. Obviously.

Maybe it's just a scam to revitalise the economy by forcing people to buy new stuff. Adults can go months between having to buy clothes but kids need new trousers every other week.

Seriously though, doesn't America have consumer protection laws? Why not just use those rather than make some new law that makes no sense?

[Meggles]

Reverse sweat. When your sweat glands open up some of the sweat will fall back in ... so ... yeah deadly, deadly lead aprons. Obviously.

Funny thing, when I was younger I would go to work with my mom, who works as an X-Ray tech, and I would play in the lead aprons. Looking back, that's probably not so safe. ;)

[Phantom]

How about used sex toys? Would this apply?

[Meggles]

How about used sex toys? Would this apply?

*shivers* I hope so. :x

[Leader Desslock]

Wow. And here I thought this was actually a hoax. Turns out it's real. Here's the text of the bill:

http://www.cpsc.gov/cpsia.pdf

And it doesn't look like it applies to resellers. The language clearly identifies manufacturers and OEM retailers (releasing a manufactured brand as your own). Those are the folks required to make sure their products are tested and labeled. EDIT: Importers of similar goods are also specifically mentioned, sorry.

I didn't see any requirement for resellers to make sure their goods are labeled before sale, but the law's obtusely written and I have too much of a headache to do more than scan it. Maybe it's in there, but I didn't see it.

And no, Phantom. Sex toys are not included, unless there's a line of sex toys specifically marketed to "children". And if that's so, I think the manufacturers are in a lot more legal trouble than a little lead in their paint.

[Lacan]

Can they at least mark Vintage Toys, Games, and Comics that were originally for kids many years ago to be not on the CPSIA list? I mean this will hurt collectors, or people like me that love older retro games even ones like Mario and Mega Man. I know that Mortal Kombat wasn't a kids game.

Also what if some toy collector wants to buy a over 50 year old Barbie doll or the early GI Joe dolls?

[Leader Desslock]

Can they at least mark Vintage Toys, Games, and Comics that were originally for kids many years ago to be not on the CPSIA list?
Read the linked document before crying foul. I don't believe this bill applies to older products being resold. I think it only applies to current products being manufactured/imported for sale.

I could be wrong, but the way to find that out would be to read the linked document.

The "OMG!! Whut will hapenz to our resaelz!? Wil garage sale people be lock'd away?!?!" mentality is great for selling newspapers, but I don't think that's how the bill is worded.

EDIT: I mean, this is essentially an amendment to the original Consumer Protection Safety Act (or somesuch), right? That was passed a long time back, but it didn't stop the resale of antique toys, did it?

A little common sense, people...

[Haro!]

I can't see this actually being enforced. I mean, just thinking about the amount of stuff you find on Craigslist in NYC alone, it is pretty much impossible to keep track of these sorts of things.

[Old Ape Face]

Well he is the head of the executive... he's probably somehow involved in the process of law making.

I'm saying the cause for our country's economy drop into bankrupt started long before Bush took office. The banks are the real cause for it, and now there's a sudden need for the president to step in and do something, while at the same time deal with our little war in Iraq, this is a bad time to be a president right now.

ITT: Video games are made out of led.

more like Copper and Silicone, and bits of plastic.

Hey I still have my SNES and I'm healthier then then a guy who smokes.

[Caster13]

All of you stop your stupid political debate!!!:mad:

This is just another case of "OH NOES THINK OF THE CHILDRENZ!!!".:rolleyes:<_<




^I have an SNES too. Two of them actually. One is the original version which doesn't work - which was my first video game system and I will never get rid of it - and the other is the final "mini" version.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

The scary thing about a SNES is they turn lime colored after a while o_O

[Old Ape Face]

The scary thing about a SNES is they turn lime colored after a while o_O

mine is grey and purple like it just came out of the box.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

mine is grey and purple like it just came out of the box.

We're talking about used games, not my junk.

[VidelCoolGirl]

So clothing and toys? I think this is a problem more for second hand stores and places like Goodwill. Especially since a lot of parents cant afford the full price for kids items.

[Ryuuji]

oh man..

i can imagine a 5 yo kid, scratching his neck, walking around asking people for "the goods." then someone walks up and exchanges some money for a brown paper bag.. the cops show up! run! its a set-up! oh noes! the man gets caught

they examine the contents of the bag.. yep, that's the stuff. 3 action figures and some trading cards. oh yes, this is jail time.

[tenshi_a]

ITT: Video games are made out of led.

Yeah, about a decade before gameboys, handheld consoles were LED.

http://www.retrogames.co.uk/stock/html/guide_to_handhelds.html

I had one that played Frogger. It took 2 "D" size batteries or something, which I forgot about, they eventually leaked and corroded the whole thing from the inside out with battery acid. Dangerous stuff!

(oh but playing with leaking battery chemicals never did me any harm....)

[SlackerDude]

"Toys, clothing and other items used by children under 12 will be subjected to lead testing and will have to have labels on them to prove that they have passed inspection."

I wonder how much money is that going to cost ... you know as a percentage of the actual price of the second hand item...

Hahaa you americanskis pay taxes on the weirdest ****

[Delta-Pheonix]

I wouldn't worry about antique toys and collectables, thats what the black market is for! (Along with arms, drugs etc.)

[sailornyanko]

I can see the FCC police at garage sales already. Hilarity ensues!

Sypcom gold material indeed.

[earsofdoom]

This is another reason why America should make more products themselves.

[taily]

All of you stop your stupid political debate!!!:mad:


If you count anything in this thread as PB you'd go crazy at one of the forums which allows real ones.

[Masokick]

And no, Phantom. Sex toys are not included, unless there's a line of sex toys specifically marketed to "children". And if that's so, I think the manufacturers are in a lot more legal trouble than a little lead in their paint.

I am shaking with laughter. :)

Is that supposed to cover items made in your country, or imports, or both? Seems silly. Look on the bright side: if the majority of the testing is meant for US-manufactured items your government is stimulating your economy by creating useless jobs. (Though, really ridiculous jobs...) A pay cheque is a pay cheque.

[Haro!]

Ha, no more second hand Macs.

But this only applies to... I see what you did there.

[waltsoph3]

Sigh...

Seriously though...this is the kind of stuff im talking about. You wanna talk about fear mongering people..this is a prime example.


Ok....so toys that came from a different country had lead..yet buissness people allowed it through to save bucks..now whos being punished for it..

Pardon my caps but its an important one to rember here..

WE! WE! WE! WE THE PEOPLE!

I love my old school video games. Hopefully they wont be targeted because come on...they were out for years...now theres a chance these might be part of the target?

Seriously heres what concerns me even more since were talking about "toys and other questonable products". Does this meen no more yard sales? Or better yet with anime/manga in general..will certain collectable products be barred because of certain contents in the paint or w/e.

Sigh...unbeliveable the crap we learn in the news day by day. Espically ones under the radar. Even becoming new laws.
Thank you for this post man i defently appricate it.

[fujyoshi]

I laughed hard


I guess all those thrift stores will go out 'a business

lady: oh no I can't get my kid a used toy from the thrift shop and I'm kinda broke
kid: don't worry mommy D: