if this isn't a conspiracy then I don't know what is

[fujyoshi]

I've been across many things that made me believe that someone or something conspired against me but I never thought my mom would be involved in this. So apparently we have a new addition to the family. Yes a dog. I am not to fond of dogs nor am I of any animals. My mom knows this yet shes trying to force this dog on me and say its mine and that I'm its mother -_= then she carries on about how evil I am and stuff like that just because I don't want to be bothered. How stupid can everyone be I like to be alone end of story not having to take care of something that ISN'T mine -_= and I'm sure if I come out of my room she'll try to insist at it more so really she just gave me another reason not to leave my room -_=

[taily]

Oh no, poor fujyoshi :(

[fujyoshi]

I just think its a pain the fact that something is being pushed on me when mom knows that I don't like it. I mean thats like me trying to get her on wife swap or something she would hate to be on tv then keep cramming it down her throat or take pictures of her -_=

[RecentMidget]

how big is said dog?

[fujyoshi]

its small but still I don't really like dogs that much /swt I mean I'm not to fond of animals anyway but meh

[goddessofanime]

Why would your mother get a dog, knowing that you don't like animals?

[Meggles]

I love animals!! You can send the dog to me ^_^

[goddessofanime]

I love dogs. I want one.

I'll take your doggy :P

[animeotaku99]

Tell your mom to take care of her damn dog and that you will not be responsible for it.

[Tom Servo]

If someone tries to unload the dog on you and says you're now it's owner then as it's owner it's your job to look after it well, which if you don't want the dog means giving it to someone who does want to look after it through one of your local dog kennels or whatever the equivalent is in the US. If the person who gave you the dog says you shouldn't do that then they're contradicting themselves by saying you're it's owner, and by saying that they are taking the job of looking after the dog on themselves.

[Leader Desslock]

Why would your mother get a dog, knowing that you don't like animals?
If you want my guess, perhaps this is Rebekah's family's attempt to get her to come out of her little online otaku shell. They've tried everything they can think of to get her to bond with humans and failed; so now they're seeing if she can bond with a cute little puppy.

Rebekah - just try taking care of the dog for a while. Empathizing with and taking care of another is a very important interpersonal skill that you will never develop electronically. And if it doesn't work out, then it doesn't work out. Just give it a try, that's all anyone's asking.

[Tom Servo]

Yeah, though dogs are the worst, most ANNOYING, animal you could get for someone for that purpose.

They have to be walked, trained, cleaned up after, they get all territorial and slobber over you - doing all that stuff you have to do with a dog isn't so much bond-forming as it is maintenance. I bet vampire bats or elephants are easier to look after than dogs.

Whereas an animal like a cat doesn't give a **** as long as they have food and can sleep wherever they want (i.e. on you), and they are cute~ meow.

[Leader Desslock]

Yeah, but dogs are the worst, most ANNOYING, animal you could get for someone for that purpose.
Not really. Annoying? Perhaps. But if you're trying to get someone to come out of their shell, a dog is far more insistent. It's harder to ignore a dog, because the dog will not ignore you.

A cat would just say, "She won't socialize? Whatever. The rest of you can feed me." A cat would let her ignore it.

They have to be walked, trained, cleaned up after...
I'm sure Rebekah's parents are thinking the same thing: It'll get her out of her room and into the real world.

Rebekah, I'm sorry, but if I'm right in determining your family's motives, then you brought this one on yourself. And it would strongly behoove you to use this as an opportunity to start developing some personal connections and start living in the real world. This is the sort of move that a family would only make as a last act of desperation. I absolutely guarantee you that if this doesn't work, you will like their next act far less. Make this work, for your own sake.

Or were you simply unaware that there are inpatient programs for internet addiction recovery and treatment (http://www.addictionrecov.org/internet.aspx) in the US? Do you really want to get yourself committed because you couldn't take care of a dog and interact with your family? Think the hospital staff will let you play Ragnarok Online or check the forums during lunch?

I'm absolutely not trying to be mean, here. I'm simply encouraging you to think about what would make your family act in this manner. Why would they try to force a little bundle of need upon you? Maybe their chosen method is a little misguided, but can you honestly say that they're not acting in what they perceive to be your best interests?

[Tom Servo]

Whether you're blowing this out of proportion or just being an American I'm not sure...!

I know for me I didn't really come out of my shell until I had to do things like open bank accounts, book things and find employment - things that nobody else will be able to do for Becka as well - so maybe some folks shouldn't be psychologising every last problem and just let things be, maybe it'll be harder for Becka like it is for plenty of other people but a bloody dog isn't going to alleviate any of that - a better solution to help ease someone into dealing with others and how to do things is asking them to phone a taxi for them, drive them somewhere, pick up some things from the shops, see if they can help them organise their statements, find out which train to catch to get to so-and-so and stuff like that - a dog imparts none of these skills, unless of course you plan to clean up poop for the rest of your life.

[goddessofanime]

Tom Servo and Desslock are right on both counts. Your mom is probaly trying to get you to stay the hell off the computer and getting you to have some relationships that aren't 2D(didn't think of that one :)).

Also, sooner or later, you'll have to step away from 'pheeling' Suzaku or whatever babe du jour and learn to open an account, etc. I'm naturally shy in real life; it was really bad when I was younger. I learned as I got older and did things more on my own.

Besides, look on the bright side of having this dog; You can always name him/her Suzaku or JoeBlow from Yugioh or whatever anime-style name you like :)

[Meggles]

Besides, look on the bright side of having this dog; You can always name him/her Suzaku or JoeBlow from Yugioh or whatever anime-style name you like :)

If the dog's a girl you can name it Meggles :P

[Leader Desslock]

Whether you're blowing this out of proportion or just being an American I'm not sure...!
To be fair, I'm not basing my assessment on this one thread, or even the last several. I'm basing it on the years of hearing about the aspects of Rebekah's life that she's felt inclined to share, as well as what I can gather about what her family feels about her internet use.

I've told her for years that she really, really needs to unplug.

So now, if I had to guess what would cause this "conspiracy", as she puts it, the only thing I can guess is that they're one step shy of a lifestyle intervention.

I know for me I didn't really come out of my shell until I had to do things like open bank accounts, book things and find employment...
I'm guessing the dog came after the family failed in its efforts to encourage her to do these things.

...a better solution to help ease someone into dealing with others and how to do things is asking them to phone a taxi for them, drive them somewhere, pick up some things from the shops, see if they can help them organise their statements, find out which train to catch to get to so-and-so and stuff like that...
Again, I didn't say that forcing a dog on anyone was the best course of action. I was merely arguing the efficacy of "dog vs cat" if one was inclined to try such a solution.

If it was me and she was my kid, the internet would've been gone from that house years ago. For productivity's sake, I'd set up an old Windows 95 box with no interconnectivity and a parallel printer. That's enough to get anyone by. TV would be gone, DVDs would be gone. Chores would be assigned, and (at her age) expectations of contributing to the family living situation would be expressed.

If she didn't like it? Fine. I would encourage her to work hard, save her money, get a place of her own and start an independent life. And I'd give her every bit of assistance in setting/achieving those goals in her life. I'd teach her to cook, I'd teach her to take care of herself, budget, balance a checkbook, apply for student loans - anything that I think she'd need.

But the one thing I would not do is encourage this whole "online life" aspect of her life, I think she's indulged that quite enough already.

So no, I wouldn't have gone the Dog route, but I can't say it's hard to guess why her family would go there.

[goddessofanime]

If that was my kid, she'd be giving me some rent right now. That's what my own mother did when I was that age and had just started recently working.

There also wouldn't be no Ragnarok Online. That would be banned.

Internet hours would be limited and I'd be putting up blocks from certain sites.

[Rain]

I know from experience (my mother) that one can grow to love a pet even if one doesn't from the start, so it's not a lost cause even if you hate the pet now.

It's not a conspiracy, so stop being paranoid over nothing. Heed Desslock's advice to rid yourself of your abhorrent so-called 2D complex, because it's utterly pitiful—not to mention pathetic—that you fail to see the light of it all for your mother only has your best interests at heart.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I have some Cantonese friends that'd like that dog.

[Meggles]

I have some Cantonese friends that'd like that dog.

I really hope you don't mean they'd like to eat the doggy :x :'(

[Caster13]

I also agree with Desslock. lay off of the anime and everything, you've gone too far.

In my opinion, you should also go see a shrink.

I really hope you don't mean they'd like to eat the doggy :x :'(

This isn't Excel Saga.

[Spadesy]

^ I don't think Fuji needs a shrink, just has to make an effort to get more hands on with the world around her.

Rebekah - just try taking care of the dog for a while. Empathizing with and taking care of another is a very important interpersonal skill that you will never develop electronically. And if it doesn't work out, then it doesn't work out. Just give it a try, that's all anyone's asking.

Agreed. You can learn quite a bit from trying to take care of another living thing, even if it isn't human. Even if you don't like dogs, appreciate that your family is concerned about you and wants to help out (I know a few friends back home who I'm fairly sure were stuck at home so much they never really developed any practical skills until they got to college, some still haven't).

[Holy Knight]

I'm all for getting a dog to get someone to unplug -- given that the dog is tolerable. They can be pretty cute, but in general I don't like them, especially those things with small legs that bark all day and scuttle on tiles.

Cats might not care about you, but they love the attention you give them. They're great to take care of and in the event you forget about them for a week or so, they'll still be alive somehow. Handy to have for mice, too.

So, it's a choice here. Do you want to give attention or do you want to get it? You might have to choose soon given your family is about to act. Might as well take the initiative and unplug for a while.

[Jia]

You should be grateful your parents aren't making you pay (from what I heard) of your high internet use.

Que sera sera.

[fujyoshi]

Tom Servo and Desslock are right on both counts. Your mom is probaly trying to get you to stay the hell off the computer and getting you to have some relationships that aren't 2D(didn't think of that one :)).

Also, sooner or later, you'll have to step away from 'pheeling' Suzaku or whatever babe du jour and learn to open an account, etc. I'm naturally shy in real life; it was really bad when I was younger. I learned as I got older and did things more on my own.

Besides, look on the bright side of having this dog; You can always name him/her Suzaku or JoeBlow from Yugioh or whatever anime-style name you like :)

if my parents knew I was a 2D complex I would be in counciling by now and if they knew of my yaoi obsession forget it.

If you want my guess, perhaps this is Rebekah's family's attempt to get her to come out of her little online otaku shell. They've tried everything they can think of to get her to bond with humans and failed; so now they're seeing if she can bond with a cute little puppy.

Rebekah - just try taking care of the dog for a while. Empathizing with and taking care of another is a very important interpersonal skill that you will never develop electronically. And if it doesn't work out, then it doesn't work out. Just give it a try, that's all anyone's asking.

wow and I thought they gave up on that ages ago. They say they kid and stuff because they do that when they try to push my niece and nephew on me and like frik I wanna be bothered. Mom did tell me that brother said I was lonely. I forgot to ask him about that but he needs to mind his own business because I don't meddle in his business. Not only that but you can't even get him to listen to anyone to the point where he has to go to counciling so he thinks I'm gonna listen to him when he doesn't even listen to me forget that.

Tell your mom to take care of her damn dog and that you will not be responsible for it.

its definetly not my business and if I stay out of sight in which I'm almost forgotten anyway then I won't be bothered about it like now everyone is awake but noone bothers me yet because I haven't came out of my room since this morning when I made my breakfast.

Yeah, though dogs are the worst, most ANNOYING, animal you could get for someone for that purpose.

They have to be walked, trained, cleaned up after, they get all territorial and slobber over you - doing all that stuff you have to do with a dog isn't so much bond-forming as it is maintenance. I bet vampire bats or elephants are easier to look after than dogs.

Whereas an animal like a cat doesn't give a **** as long as they have food and can sleep wherever they want (i.e. on you), and they are cute~ meow.

actually we did have a cat for a while but dad was allergic to it and I will never forget the time my brother let it soil my room -_= I was so pissed.

Why would your mother get a dog, knowing that you don't like animals?

it supposed ta be for her thats what brother said but then she calls herself kidding in making pertend to force it on me. That pisses me off.

It's not a conspiracy, so stop being paranoid over nothing. Heed Desslock's advice to rid yourself of your abhorrent so-called 2D complex, because it's utterly pitiful—not to mention pathetic—that you fail to see the light of it all for your mother only has your best interests at heart.

I highly doubt my best interests at heart involve an animal. I do not like animals taking care of myself is enough in itself but to keep an animal well groomed as well not happened ;p and for the second time my parents don't know about my 2D complex. Actually what a funny thing it is my brother thinks that I'm dating someone online just because I tawk to this one guy on RO alot that happens to be a good friend. My mom has even fell into those feelings of thinking that I was dating someone online. It would be easier to let them think that then to tell them that I have a 2D complex to tell you the truth but thats another story.

[Melion]

OT: I named my hamster Ichigo and they both got the same color. :P

You can always try to care. I didnt like dogs either until I hugged one and I melted that moment.

The first step is to try, saying it wont work in the start is fail from the start.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I think fujyoshi is just fine, that dog on the other hand I don't trust

[fujyoshi]

my parents got off my case about it o_o that was easy I guess staying out 'a sight worked now they're on brothers case about it (:

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

I'm wondering what your train of thought is as I don't quite understand. People say you've been complaining for years about your personal life on this forum and I think it shows. H***, you are sometimes addressed by your real name. Although, there are quite a few people here who have let slip (whether intentional or not) what their real names are, you seem to be at the forefront of personal drama.

Do you really want people to know so much about you (people that by all accounts don't know you personally)? Is it that you gain some kind of comfort from having people judge you or spew unwarranted commentary about your personal problems? If I might politely suggest that unless that is your purpose, you would do better to keep things casual as I'm sure there are individuals here that probably don't care about your situation. Sure, you get comments and seemingly helpful advice at times, but you leave yourself open to a group who seems to take pleasure in your world of problems.

If you are looking for advice, then you are getting more than several dozen earful's worth of it. It's your choice though as you have weaved a story that has to have an ending some day....

[Leader Desslock]

H***, you are sometimes addressed by your real name.
Her original handle was something like "Rebekah1-anime", so that's where I'm getting it. Her real name could be Janet, for all I know.

[Shiroiyuki]

if my parents knew I was a 2D complex I would be in counciling by now and if they knew of my yaoi obsession forget it.
Fine, they don't know that then.

But they most certainly know you are addicted to the internet, are antisocial, and you 'don't want to be bothered' with real life.

That is worse than having a 2-D complex and yaoi obsession. When's the last time you went out of the house, willingly and of your own accord, and interacted with real people? I'm not talking about saying a muffled 'hey' to the checkout lady at Walmart, either.

When's the last time you spent the day in the company of living, breathing, real people doing something outside of your bedroom?

Did you enjoy it?

... because I haven't came out of my room since this morning when I made my breakfast.

That is utterly sad.

And you weren't even masturbating, there's no excuse :mad:!

I do not like animals taking care of myself is enough ...

By the sound of it, you hardly do that.

[Black Cat]

damn, thats some hardcore conspiracy going on there

[Old Ape Face]

Fuji, I have to say that I feel like I have more of a personal life then you do, and that's saying something quite a lot, My parents think I'm addicted to this thing called the internet. They want my computer gone so I wont want to get back onto the computer.

I'd want to say they are right, but I find my self hanging out with my brother's friends (Real Life friends) every chance I get. They think I'm weired and annoying too, but I don't care it gets me out of the house.

I get out of house when I need to work and I can buy my own stuff too, but other then that I'm sort of parental dependent. Insecure if you will. I don't have a very well paying job, and I'm sort of a loner, but I keep my mine open and I know where I am most of the time, and each day I sit here it feels like it's getting harder and harder to find personal security.

As for pets, I feel what you're saying you don't feel secure enough to take care of a pet let alone yourself. I get that way with girls, (one reason I don't have the motivation to look for a girlfreind right now.) call me pathetic, but that's my life.

As I've heard Doctors and psychiatrists constantly explain that as you get older it becomes more difficult to change and learn from your up bringing. Sort of the casual CSI episode where the spoiled brat does something criminal and they blame it on their past, Not to say that I've been a spoiled brat all my life, but I do feel some sort of isolation with my peers that causes me to feel like I can't live like them for a while or ever if that's the case.

Whether that's true or not I think about that constantly, I keep thinking "when do I get too old for my own personal security?" I'm 23 years old this coming January 20th.

I feel like all I need is a little push something to get me moving away from my computer (A more active and physically labor intensive job maybe, something to keep my mind off the internet, perhaps even a real living breathing girlfreind), but I fear you are beyond knowing what your off line interests are to care about anything off the internet.

[Meggles]

I'm 23 years old this coming January 20th.

Hey, we share a birthday! :naughty:


But anyway, (here comes some heartfelt advice) the reason why I took a break from AN (both times) was that I felt that I was getting in over my head with the internet. I was spending more time on the computer than I was spending time with people. Heck, I was spending more time on the computer than I was spending reading manga, watching TV, and gaming. The more time I spent online the more I felt insecure IRL, overwhelmed by work, and I just felt it was overall more difficult to relate to people IRL because the way people act online is usually no way like how they really act. So I unplugged for awhile, joined a couple sports teams, and spent more time at the mall. I was nowhere near as plugged in as you seem to be, but the break still did make me feel a lot better. I have more energy now, I'm happier, and the insomnia that I was struggling with has gone away. Now I'm back online (and being online isn't a bad thing), but I'm on in moderation.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

... is this another thread about fujyoshi?

keep it in a blog. nobody can help you here.

[fujyoshi]

I'm wondering what your train of thought is as I don't quite understand. People say you've been complaining for years about your personal life on this forum and I think it shows. H***, you are sometimes addressed by your real name. Although, there are quite a few people here who have let slip (whether intentional or not) what their real names are, you seem to be at the forefront of personal drama.

Do you really want people to know so much about you (people that by all accounts don't know you personally)? Is it that you gain some kind of comfort from having people judge you or spew unwarranted commentary about your personal problems? If I might politely suggest that unless that is your purpose, you would do better to keep things casual as I'm sure there are individuals here that probably don't care about your situation. Sure, you get comments and seemingly helpful advice at times, but you leave yourself open to a group who seems to take pleasure in your world of problems.

If you are looking for advice, then you are getting more than several dozen earful's worth of it. It's your choice though as you have weaved a story that has to have an ending some day....

actually people don't know my real name but my old forum name used to be rebekah1-anime so thats probably where they get it from. I've been here for a really long time. Actually I never give my real name out online I'm too paranoid o_o


Fine, they don't know that then.

But they most certainly know you are addicted to the internet, are antisocial, and you 'don't want to be bothered' with real life.

That is worse than having a 2-D complex and yaoi obsession. When's the last time you went out of the house, willingly and of your own accord, and interacted with real people? I'm not talking about saying a muffled 'hey' to the checkout lady at Walmart, either.

When's the last time you spent the day in the company of living, breathing, real people doing something outside of your bedroom?

Did you enjoy it?

I think the last time I went out of the house willingly witout being forced was probably to animeNEXT o_o In terms of being around people I guess my family counts as people, most of the time when I go out its kinda by force /swt

That is utterly sad.

And you weren't even masturbating, there's no excuse :mad:!



By the sound of it, you hardly do that.

/swt I could have been pheeling myself for all you know

then why would I wanna take care of an animal then?

... is this another thread about fujyoshi?

keep it in a blog. nobody can help you here.

maybe thats a better idea

Fuji, I have to say that I feel like I have more of a personal life then you do, and that's saying something quite a lot, My parents think I'm addicted to this thing called the internet. They want my computer gone so I wont want to get back onto the computer.

O-o I always assumed that you did I guess but I don't really know

I get out of house when I need to work and I can buy my own stuff too, but other then that I'm sort of parental dependent. Insecure if you will. I don't have a very well paying job, and I'm sort of a loner, but I keep my mine open and I know where I am most of the time, and each day I sit here it feels like it's getting harder and harder to find personal security.

Whether that's true or not I think about that constantly, I keep thinking "when do I get too old for my own personal security?" I'm 23 years old this coming January 20th.

I feel like all I need is a little push something to get me moving away from my computer (A more active and physically labor intensive job maybe, something to keep my mind off the internet, perhaps even a real living breathing girlfreind), but I fear you are beyond knowing what your off line interests are to care about anything off the internet.

I guess you are sheltered as well?

[Justinian]

Man Rebekah I WISH I had decent internet (I've had to ****ing tether off of a ****ing Moto Q smart phone for 5 months ever since I've moved into no man's land in the center of ****ing Arkansas) aaand here you are....trying to get forced off of it by your family...accept the dog.

Intelligent Edit: In all seriousness though, with less internet I have had a lot more time to...well...do other more important things. I took up Mountain Biking again, started to hike a lot more, read more, focused more on my studies, and better myself at the bass guitar and trombone more. Hell, I think this could be the best thing that has ever happened to me really. I may not like it when I need more than 5 kB/s to download 133MB Zune software...but in all I have had more of an opportunity to better myself as a human.

[taily]

I just had a thought which might help. Try setting yourself targets, small ones. "For the next hour, I'm not going to go on the computer,(or sleep or have a meal)I'm going to unplug entirely."

You don't even have to leave your room, although that would be a better. Try doing other things. For maybe five, ten minutes each. Simple, easy-to-do things ;maybe read a book, watch a bit of (non-anime) tv with a family member (Don't just say "hey you, tv, watch, now", invite them to. If they say no, don't force it.), try drawing something. If you have a yard, and it's a reasonably nice day, why not go and read a manga or a book outside, possiblely with some snacks or a drink? Don't have one or both of those? If you have a corner shop, go down and get some! Ask a family member, maybe your mother, if they would like you to buy anything for them. You see what I mean? And then after the hour is up, you can go to your room and do whatever otaku-online RO AN 2-d-complex things you want for the rest of the day :).


Carry on doing this for every day, and gradually you'll start to find yourself doing somethings more than others, and may even want to do these things cutting into your plugged time. If that happens, that's great because it means you've found a hobby!

[fujyoshi]

its really cold outside o_o and watching people phail on wife swap counts as normal tv -_= there are times where I did try to spend time wit my family although they would be busy wit other things. Its hard to spend time wit the family sometimes /swt

[GreatNekoKoneko]

... kill the dog. then serve it to the family as a stew. or chili. or whatever.

[Meggles]

... kill the dog. then serve it to the family as a stew. or chili. or whatever.

Dog kebabs? If its a little dog like I'm picturing, you could roast it on a spit. :naughty:

[fujyoshi]

... kill the dog. then serve it to the family as a stew. or chili. or whatever.

my brother told mom that I would hurt the dog o_o he also told mom that I am lonely O-o

[GreatNekoKoneko]

Dog kebabs? If its a little dog like I'm picturing, you could roast it on a spit. :naughty:

... i was thinking more of a stew, since that can easily mask the flavor and appearance of dog. this is coming from someone who has actually eaten dog.

soy sauce, garlic(lots of it), some bay leaves, and oil. salt and pepper to taste.

oh, the hard part would be to skin the dog.

[Meggles]

Was the dog tasty?

[GreatNekoKoneko]

Was the dog tasty?

... really gamey. although garlic helps.

[fujyoshi]

... i was thinking more of a stew, since that can easily mask the flavor and appearance of dog. this is coming from someone who has actually eaten dog.

soy sauce, garlic(lots of it), some bay leaves, and oil. salt and pepper to taste.

oh, the hard part would be to skin the dog.

o_o thats kinda awkward knowing this ...

[tenshi_a]

If my mum gave me a dog I'd tell her it was horrible to play around with the life of a creature like this, and then try and sell the dog. Then if that didn't work, try giving it away. Then if that didn't work, I'd abandon it, and hope to get a fine from the RSPCA and get banned from owning dogs. I'm not sure whether it involves me getting a criminal record, it might do. That would show her. I know that eating the dog wouldn't prove enough how much of a horrible idea it was to her. I hate dogs, I hate the cruel concept of owning that kind of pet and considering its life a plaything. I find that immoral. And I hate the interference of my mother trying to get her children to live their lives the way she wants.

I am actually disgusted by what your mother has decided to do.

[Shiroiyuki]

^ I can't tell if you are joking or....?

But you know, it's not about making a dog 'your plaything'. Dogs genuinely enjoy being your friend, and really appreciate the kind of love and care a good home can provide.

What gets cruel is exactly what you've described doing to a dog. You do realize that, at least here in America, if the dog has to stay for more than a week at a shelter, it's usually put to sleep....right? Or that living on the street as an abandoned dog means the prospect of malnutrition, getting hit by cars, getting abused by other animals, etc.?

:|

[tenshi_a]

Yeah, I'd rather a dog was killed than be treated as a pet. Much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much much rather it was killed than be my pet.

That's why it would be such a horrible thing if my mother gave me a dog as a present. It really strikes me as a truly horrible thing Fuji's mother has done.

[Shiroiyuki]

Well, then that's a shame. I guess I just never figured that about you, and can't say I like the enlightenment all that much either.

[MirKz]

would have to say, disappointing way to look at it tenshi

Shiroiyuki - Cyber hugs!!! :)
Cheer up miss!

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I'd post a photo of my dog, but the photograph is too huge and I don't know how to shrink it in size. She's very dramatic, and she always lays RIGHT outside my door so that whenever I have the audacity to step outside the first thing I do is step on a big pile of ORANGE FUR.

I can kind of see what Tenshi A is talking about though, my dog spent mots of her life accepting treats and handouts, I bet if all the people on earth vanished at once, she'd be the first dog to starve :(.

But that's something only Lacan would worry about. :)

[Phantom]

Perhaps limiting the internet to a certain amount of hours a day would be more helpful than giving a dog to someone who doesn't want one. I mean if the person doesn't want a animal than their not going to get much out of the experience and not provide for the animal properly.

[Bisu]

I hate dogs, I hate the cruel concept of owning that kind of pet and considering its life a plaything. I find that immoral.

Yeah, I'd rather a dog was killed than be treated as a pet.

I'm rarely surprised by the twisted mindset, notion, and reasoning people come up with on the internets nowdays. But every now and then, whaddya know...

No offense. It's just... you know.

Well, I don't have much to add that hasn't already been added. I'll partly side with Phantom in that tossing a responsibility such as this probably wasn't the best of ideas, but I'll also side with Desslock in that it's likely for fujyoshi's own good. Try to keep an open mind, fujy; you might just come away with an enjoyable lesson and experience.

[tenshi_a]

I really do think it's nasty. "I don't think you have enough friends so I bought you one. Make sure it doesn't die right away". It is disgusting.

And really if I was given a dog, I honestly believe that giving it to a shelter would be better than me owning it. I live in a studio flat the size of a garage. It is cram packed with videogames / consoles / PCs / manga / anime DVDs and there's barely walking space. I am out of the house from 8:30am to 7pm every week day, then away all weekend every fortnight. And there is a strict "no pets" rule on the building. Only one dog I've ever met in my whole life hasn't been full of teeth, noise, anger, and chased me around. Hence the dislike.

You really would rather the animal live with me? You must hate dogs more than I do if you really think that's a good idea.

You want the suffering to last a long lifetime or a short lifetime? That's really the bottom line.

I don't really like the idea of any human owning another living creature. It's about on parallel with slavery in my mind. Imposing human lifestyles on an animal is wrong. I think that interpreting a pet animal's total dependancy on you as equivalent to positive human emotions is just misguided.

(though I think it's probably ok to own fish in a pond or whatever; you don't train them to suit your human lifestyle - they get to do their own thing. It's ok)

[The Million Dollar Prons]

(though I think it's probably ok to own fish in a pond or whatever; you don't train them to suit your human lifestyle - they get to do their own thing. It's ok)

I hope you know my three godlfish sit in their aquiarum behind me at all times, so before you start talking 'bout fish you better watch yourself lest them wreck yourself :O

[Bisu]

I really do think it's nasty. "I don't think you have enough friends so I bought you one. Make sure it doesn't die right away". It is disgusting.

And really if I was given a dog, I honestly believe that giving it to a shelter would be better than me owning it. I live in a studio flat the size of a garage. It is cram packed with videogames / consoles / PCs / manga / anime DVDs and there's barely walking space. I am out of the house from 8:30am to 7pm every week day, then away all weekend every fortnight. And there is a strict "no pets" rule on the building. Only one dog I've ever met in my whole life hasn't been full of teeth, noise, anger, and chased me around. Hence the dislike.

You really would rather the animal live with me? You must hate dogs more than I do if you really think that's a good idea.

You want the suffering to last a long lifetime or a short lifetime? That's really the bottom line. That's not what I meant. Really. If you hate dogs, that's perfectly fine. If you don't think you're suited to take care of one, and would rather someone/someplace else do it, again, perfectly fine (I wouldn't want an untrained dog to mess up my small apartment, either. And I probably wouldn't be able to properly care for one given how little time I have). I was solely referring to your statement that having/treating/caring for a dog as a pet, as a companion, is to be considered a cruel concept, whereas abandoning one to starve/die is not.

And as I mentioned in my previous post, I don't quite agree with the decision made by fujy's mom.

I don't really like the idea of any human owning another living creature. It's about on parallel with slavery in my mind. Imposing human lifestyles on an animal is wrong. I think that interpreting a pet animal's total dependancy on you as equivalent to positive human emotions is just misguided.

(though I think it's probably ok to own fish in a pond or whatever; you don't train them to suit your human lifestyle - they get to do their own thing. It's ok) You're not creating an ownership, but rather forming a companionship. The love and respect a dog can feel towards you is similar to how you feel towards your own mother. You don't love her for conceiving you; you don't love her for giving birth to you -- you love her for all the effort she placed in raising and caring for you as best she could. That's very similar to how a well-cared for dog will treat you.

It would be on parallel with slavery... if the dog were imprisoned, tortured, forced to carry out strenuous tasks against its will, etc., etc. But considering how much they tend to love it, well, it's obviously the other way around -- we're practically treating them as royal, long-prophesized emperors (which you could argue is more than they deserve, but that's a different story).

And are we really imposing our lifestyle on them? Especially considering how much they like it. We shelter them, feed them, walk them, throw 'em frisbees, risne and repeat. I really don't see it.

Well, it's obvious you've had bad experiences with dogs, to which I'm sorry, but my stance remains unchanged. To consider it a cruel concept to care for a dog... is way off line.

[tenshi_a]

You know, I knew an adult human being whose parents treated her like a pet. They pampered her like anything, told her how much they loved her, and yet... she grew to be someone who found herself living as a slave, of sorts. She got to her mid 20s before she talked to others (treating depression) and realised she was an abused child.

Her mother would like her in the room whenever she could, even if the mother was just sitting typing emails or whatever. Her parents told her they loved her whenever she did badly in education, loved her dropping out of college and returning home, and didn't mind her not getting a job. Even as an adult, they put curfews on her, but she didn't feel that it was an issue because it was so comfortable indoors. They gave her something they called love. She developed agorophobia. She developed depression.

It was when she wanted to move out... they got a bit nasty. They had put her into a situation where she couldn't fend for herself, cook, clean, etc, seemed unemployable, and, they would let her live with them for free and give her presents all the time, but would not support her if she wanted to move out.

She realised, she was merely a pet.

Eventually she got a job in retail and moved out, told me of how she was learning all sorts about how to live independantly as an adult, feeling stunted as a human, 20 years behind everyone else in development.

And... I can't back this treatment to a human, nor to an animal.

But that's what you're saying is a great way to live with pets.

What appears kind can sometimes be in effect really cruel. I do really believe that.

[Old Ape Face]

Teshi_a I assume you would make the assumption that dogs are meant to run wild and free.

Unfortunately, Dogs are so dependent on people that they wouldn't survive like that.

Bad experiences with pets and people is one thing, but that is how Dogs survive, it's almost a natural bond for a dog to be part of a human family.

Without human owners dogs would die off.

[tenshi_a]

I dunno, I'd feel bad about having a living creature entirely dependant on me. You're toying with lives. I'd still feel better either letting it go or eating it (since that's how nature works).

If I took a fish from a garden pond and put it into a river, it would still know how to eat insects off the surface of the water, same as always. So, yay, that's ok. :) If you put a dog out onto a street, it dies. :( To me, that would mean that I've failed the creature in its development. If that's how all dogs grow up, then I guess that means the human race has failed this animal sometime long long ago. Is it really ok to carry on this poor legacy for further generations? I don't like it.

So what is Fujyoshi's mom trying to teach her?

That it's ok to be totally dependant?

That totally dependant members of the family are annoying and expensive (so get out!)

This is still a really horrible thing her mother's done.

[Bisu]

But that's what you're saying is a great way to live with pets. Yes, I kind of did give off that impression, but my mistake; it wasn't what I meant.

I understand your point, and it's really no different than what happens when certain ignorant owners do treat their dog as royal, long-prophesized emperors -- they become spoiled, bark-happy, and downright aggravating (pretty much what you mentioned in your experience with dogs). Which is why the informed owners instill discipline. If a pet decides to do its business all over the living room carpet, they'll have their toys and treats or whatever taken away. If they bark when they’re not supposed to, they’ll be scolded, so on, so forth, until they learn.

And….. yeah... reading your latest post, I see that this discussion isn't going to go anywhere. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[fujyoshi]

You know, I knew an adult human being whose parents treated her like a pet. They pampered her like anything, told her how much they loved her, and yet... she grew to be someone who found herself living as a slave, of sorts. She got to her mid 20s before she talked to others (treating depression) and realised she was an abused child.

Her mother would like her in the room whenever she could, even if the mother was just sitting typing emails or whatever. Her parents told her they loved her whenever she did badly in education, loved her dropping out of college and returning home, and didn't mind her not getting a job. Even as an adult, they put curfews on her, but she didn't feel that it was an issue because it was so comfortable indoors. They gave her something they called love. She developed agorophobia. She developed depression.

It was when she wanted to move out... they got a bit nasty. They had put her into a situation where she couldn't fend for herself, cook, clean, etc, seemed unemployable, and, they would let her live with them for free and give her presents all the time, but would not support her if she wanted to move out.

She realised, she was merely a pet.

Eventually she got a job in retail and moved out, told me of how she was learning all sorts about how to live independantly as an adult, feeling stunted as a human, 20 years behind everyone else in development.

And... I can't back this treatment to a human, nor to an animal.

But that's what you're saying is a great way to live with pets.

What appears kind can sometimes be in effect really cruel. I do really believe that.

wow I believe what you say o_o completely I was just never able to put it into words not only that but I feel you have somewhat read part of my life. I was very sheltered coming up in my life and even now I am still just as sheltered to where I can't go many places on my own. Theres one thing I always say to people that ask about such a situation and I tell them most people that have lived a life of being sheltered resort to 1 of 2 things. Rebel or recluse. That is the outcome. At some point in time maybe the person will recover and become a part of the society they've been kept from either that or it will take much time and lots of needed help to assist them in adjusting to what is the real world. I will say from all the honesty that I have in me that most of the reason that I am a recluse is because of my family and yes I've been sheltered to the point where I don't even give a crap about going out anymore. Yes its a horrible thing to put out there and I'm getting more and more depressed just by typing this but the truth is the truth. This is why I stay away from everyone in a somewhat hope of not being recognized or noticed and for others to just forget about what cheap existence I have.

Funny thing about it is you guys are saying internet addiction this and RO addiction that when the internet RO and anime is probably a small portion that even contributes to my reclusion issues. Most of its my family, a massive case of paranoia which has also been brought on by my family, the belief of conspiracies is another story but even so....

/swt I will go now...

[goddessofanime]

If my mum gave me a dog I'd tell her it was horrible to play around with the life of a creature like this, and then try and sell the dog. Then if that didn't work, try giving it away. Then if that didn't work, I'd abandon it, and hope to get a fine from the RSPCA and get banned from owning dogs. I'm not sure whether it involves me getting a criminal record, it might do. That would show her. I know that eating the dog wouldn't prove enough how much of a horrible idea it was to her. I hate dogs, I hate the cruel concept of owning that kind of pet and considering its life a plaything. I find that immoral. And I hate the interference of my mother trying to get her children to live their lives the way she wants.

I am actually disgusted by what your mother has decided to do.



Wow. I'd never would've pegged you like that.

Are you in PETA? I ask because I know that PETA members usually hold this view in regards to keeping pets.

[tenshi_a]

Nah, I'm an omnivore and I don't really care that much about people keeping pets, though I do think it's unnecessary hardship for the animal a lot of the time. Often selfish of the pet's owner. And I just consider the relationship between humans and things they consider cute and fluffy... a bit weird, frankly.

My family have owned a lot of fish in my time. They're cute. :wub: One time we had a pond with fish and frogs and pond skaters and great crested newts and all sorts. I just prefer it when the relationship is that the animals live on the same land as you, rather than having some sort of ownership or strong dependancy. Or they're work animals, or provide eggs, etc.

It just feels like their lives are more meaningful and the relationship between the owner and the animal is more even, providing for each other.

Funny thing about it is you guys are saying internet addiction this and RO addiction that
Actually, I think that if you have very few ways of social interaction that you can tolerate, then just giving them up isn't a good idea. That won't fix anything, really, since, well, that suddenly leaves you with nothing but options you can't stand.

You seem to be happy to broadcast your thoughts just fine though, and I always thought you seem really good at handling people who are being negative; I don't think you really have anything big to fear from the world, in general.

You do need to be the one to act if you want to get yourself out of a bad situation, though. Even if it means taking yourself out of a relatively comfortable, relatively easy life... it sounds like your heart wants more freedom. So, if that's what you want, you'd better work on it. No-one else can do it for you.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Funny thing about it is you guys are saying internet addiction this and RO addiction that when the internet RO and anime is probably a small portion that even contributes to my reclusion issues. Most of its my family, a massive case of paranoia which has also been brought on by my family, the belief of conspiracies is another story but even so....

/swt I will go now...


Well, I always thought the problem wasn't the internet, because, it seems you socialize really well on the internet. In fact, most people would clasify you as a chatterbox. The problem is your chosen lifestyle\hobbies mean you have to spend a lot of time at home with your family, which isn't a terrible thing of itself, but it kind of epmhasises how different you are from the rest of your family, and that can be, well, enough to drive anyone nuts.

The problem isn't in the intenret, because that's just a hobby. In theory if you quit the intenret you'd probably just end up doing something else, like glass-bottle boat construction.

Ideally you could find a way to set a short or longterm goal to move out of your house and preferbly find a job\place\study\career of your own, preferbly in the Californian bay area.

Just a thought.

[Leader Desslock]

Well, I always thought the problem wasn't the internet, because, it seems you socialize really well on the internet. In fact, most people would clasify you as a chatterbox.
If she's just as much of a chatterbox in real life, when dealing with real human beings, I'll say it's not the internet. But I'm willing to bet that not a one of us would recognize her from her real-life personality.

I'll agree that it'd be a good course of action for her to start working towards real-life goals, start saving up money, and find a place of her own, that allows her to get some distance from her family. If nothing else, she'll have to unplug to do it, and I don't think that'll hurt her.

[Holy Knight]

Nah, I'm an omnivore and I don't really care that much about people keeping pets, though I do think it's unnecessary hardship for the animal a lot of the time. Often selfish of the pet's owner. And I just consider the relationship between humans and things they consider cute and fluffy... a bit weird, frankly.

I no longer doubt Soluzar's statement that you are very cat-like. Let's see...

1) You value independent thought and action.
2) You value personal space.
3) Dogs are the enemy.
4) You like those fishes more than is proper.
5) Pet ownership isn't a problem so long as both parties respect each other.

Sounds a lot like the relationship I have with my cat, except that I feel like the pet sometimes...

Then again, dogs are hard-wired to please. Neurologically, it has been shown that their pleasure centers activate upon viewing their owner, which either makes them lovable or utterly repulsive.

[Old Ape Face]

I no longer doubt Soluzar's statement that you are very cat-like. Let's see...

1) You value independent thought and action.
2) You value personal space.
3) Dogs are the enemy.
4) You like those fishes more than is proper.
5) Pet ownership isn't a problem so long as both parties respect each other.

Sounds a lot like the relationship I have with my cat, except that I feel like the pet sometimes...

Then again, dogs are hard-wired to please. Neurologically, it has been shown that their pleasure centers activate upon viewing their owner, which either makes them lovable or utterly repulsive.

In my opinion to associate a dog to be harmful when owned by a human you are none the less associating the dog to be as a person. Someone who could naturally accommodate themselves without the need of someone else.

Unfortunately that is where dogs and humans separate in common thought. A person could easily survive by themselves, and I can see why a person would feel dominated under someone else's care and watchful approach to them, a human would have the common knowledge of looking after itself and would most likely accept it, if not demand it given the opportunity to.

However a dog on the other hand, would look for dominance. It would accept that it is under the ownership of a person and would obey and be companionship with a human. All dogs are the same in that they are in the same genotype they have all evolved into different varieties, but they all lack one part that would help them survive on their own.

Genetically dogs are incapable of surviving without dependence of another.

And if I'm wrong about this, I am only makeing a assumption.

[Leader Desslock]

Genetically dogs are incapable of surviving without dependence of another.
So... now dogs are classified as symbiotes? And this distinction is not only behavioral, but genetic.

I see.

[Caster13]

So... now dogs are classified as symbiotes? And this distinction is not only behavioral, but genetic.

I see.

It's Yukimura's so-called "facts", Desslock. Ignore him.

[Old Ape Face]

It's Yukimura's so-called "facts", Desslock. Ignore him.

I never said it was fact, merely assumptions.

I will post fact from a source though.

Compared to equally sized wolves, dogs tend to have 20% smaller skulls and 10% smaller brains, as well as proportionately smaller teeth than other canid species.[2] Dogs require fewer calories to function than wolves. Their diet of human refuse in antiquity made the large brains and jaw muscles needed for hunting unnecessary. It is thought by certain experts that the dog's limp ears are a result of atrophy of the jaw muscles.[2] The skin of domestic dogs tends to be thicker than that of wolves, with some Inuit tribes favouring the former for use as clothing due to its greater resistance to wear and tear in harsh weather.[2] Unlike wolves, but like coyotes, domestic dogs have sweat glands on their paw pads.[2] The paws of a dog are half the size of those of a wolf, and their tails tend to curl upwards, another trait not found in wolves.

Dogs tend to be poorer than wolves and coyotes at observational learning, being more responsive to instrumental conditioning.[2] Feral dogs show little of the complex social structure or dominance hierarchy present in wolf packs. For dogs, other members of their kind are of no help in locating food items, and are more like competitors.[2] Feral dogs are primarily scavengers, with studies showing that unlike their wild cousins, they are poor ungulate hunters, having little impact on wildlife populations where they are sympatric. Free ranging pet dogs however are more prone to predatory behaviour toward wild animals. Feral dogs have been reported to be effective hunters of reptiles in the Galapagos islands.[82] Despite common belief, domestic dogs can be monogamous.[83] Breeding in feral packs can be, but does not have to be restricted to a dominant alpha pair (despite common belief, such things also occur in wolf packs).[84] Male dogs are unusual among canids by the fact that they mostly seem to play no role in raising their puppies, and do not kill the young of other females to increase their own reproductive success.[82] Some sources say that dogs differ from wolves and most other large canid species by the fact that they do not regurgitate food for their young, nor the young of other dogs in the same territory.[2] However, this difference was not observed in all domestic dogs. Regurgitating of food by the females for the young as well as care for the young by the males has been observed in domestic dogs, dingos as well as in other feral or semi-feral dogs. Regurgitating of food by the females and direct choosing of only one mate has been observed even in those semi-feral dogs of direct domestic dog ancestry. Also regurgitating of food by males has been observed in free-ranging domestic dogs.

So it is not genetic but I supose relating a dog to a wolf would make more sense.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...so. anybody wanna swap dog recipes?

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I know a chinese girl and her dog is gay, what can I do?

[Leader Desslock]

...so. anybody wanna swap dog recipes?
And eat my symbiont? That... just doesn't seem right.

I mean, what wine goes with dog?

[ZSYigadar]

Dogs are awesome. They're loyal and possess an endless amount of unconditional affection, desire to be your companion, and just love overall.

They're a lot better than your japanese cartoons and your life which has been wrecked perhaps beyond repair because of them.

[fujyoshi]

Dogs are awesome. They're loyal and possess an endless amount of unconditional affection, desire to be your companion, and just love overall.

They're a lot better than your japanese cartoons and your life which has been wrecked perhaps beyond repair because of them.

yep blame all my problems on anime just like my parents and the other people that I cut my ties wit did /yawn

[tenshi_a]

I for one think that anime provides more to the enrichment of life than dogs do...

I no longer doubt Soluzar's statement that you are very cat-like.

Speaking of dogs, Soluzar is also a big dumb lumbering noisy smelly animal who likes chasing me around... :/

(since it's become ok to speak of one's partner as an animal...)

And eat my symbiont? That... just doesn't seem right.

I mean, what wine goes with dog?

I'm not sure but I'm thinking a dry red southern-hemisphere-originating wine...

[superplough]

I'm not sure but I'm thinking a dry red southern-hemisphere-originating wine...

Plenty of that here, you guys can have it all to go with your dog because I cant stand the stuff.

[ZSYigadar]

yep blame all my problems on anime just like my parents and the other people that I cut my ties wit did /yawn

I'd have to care about you to bother casting blame anywhere. (Spoiler alert: I don't.)

I was merely using your spotlight into your incredibly ordinary teenage "otaku" lifestyle as an opportunity to show my appreciation for canines.

Also cutting your ties to your family over japanese cartoons is rather amusing. Thanks for the laugh.

[Leader Desslock]

I'm not sure but I'm thinking a dry red southern-hemisphere-originating wine...
I dunno. If dog is "gamey", as GNK says, then I might go with a bit more fruit. Greg Norman has a quite drinkable Cab/Merlot that's reasonably priced and cooks well. Deglaze the pan after browning the meat, and it might add the right taste to the sauce to cut the gamey taste a bit.

It works with Elk and Venison, so I don't know why it wouldn't work with a good, lean dog.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

And eat my symbiont? That... just doesn't seem right.

I mean, what wine goes with dog?

...not wine, good sir. BRANDY. or maybe some raelly good Rum. heck, you might even go with a nice Chianti, with fava beans on the side.

[Soluzar]

Speaking of dogs, Soluzar is also a big dumb lumbering noisy smelly animal who likes chasing me around... :/

(since it's become ok to speak of one's partner as an animal...)
Ehhh... if you're trying to make the point that you're bored of the cat jokes, consider it well made. -_-;

[Haro!]

...not wine, good sir. BRANDY. or maybe some raelly good Rum. heck, you might even go with a nice Chianti, with fava beans on the side.

I thought soju would be best.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

I thought soju would be best.

...haha. yes it is. to make it more palatable, LYCHEE soju is best.

[Hara!]

What was this thread about, again?

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

yep blame all my problems on anime just like my parents and the other people that I cut my ties wit did /yawn

The person you are replying to is a troll. Don't even bother. It's bad enough you have the people you are familiar with criticizing you.

actually people don't know my real name but my old forum name used to be rebekah1-anime so thats probably where they get it from. I've been here for a really long time. Actually I never give my real name out online I'm too paranoid o_o


It's not an issue of being paranoid. It's just good sense in my opinion. People here had referred to you as if they knew your personally. Even though that's not the case, it seems that your problems are well known. Like I asked before, what is it that you are trying to accomplish Fuj?

What was this thread about, again?

Usually, GreatNekokoneko makes benign comments but he successfully managed to partially derail this thread into a topic about [cooking] dogs. The funny (odd) thing is that there are people here who would rather consider that instead of sticking to the topic at hand. That really does say something!

I'm sure there is a recipes thread that is looming about somewhere since we have people with some good culinary sense here. I've never eaten dog and don't plan to. If it has the same odd taste as lamb, then no thanks.

[taily]

Dogs are awesome. They're loyal and possess an endless amount of unconditional affection, desire to be your companion, and just love overall.

They're a lot better than your japanese cartoons and your life which has been wrecked perhaps beyond repair because of them.

I'd have to care about you to bother casting blame anywhere. (Spoiler alert: I don't.)

I was merely using your spotlight into your incredibly ordinary teenage "otaku" lifestyle as an opportunity to show my appreciation for canines.

Also cutting your ties to your family over japanese cartoons is rather amusing. Thanks for the laugh.

I've seen you crawling around the forums recently and I just want to take this opatunity to say how mind-numbing obvious, unfunny, and crappy your trolling has been.

[ryushe]

I make it a habit not to read threads like this, yet alone post in them, but 80+ post with over 1K page views about a conspiracy led me to believe something interesting were within the pages. Unfortunately, it was just to find another thread about people stroking their egos “trying” to give advice.

You want know what the real conspiracy of it all is? You people love to come together and read threads like this to make yourself feel high and mighty about your own lives by reading lives of others that’s seems worse to yours by comparison. While reading some of these post, I actually laughed out loud with something’s people were trying to pass off as advice by saying things like “your pitiful“, “pathetic“, “you need to change your life“ etc. etc.

What makes you think your so much better to actually have the gaul to give someone advice when we’re all here for the same thing, more or less?

I don’t see all the others who’ve posted to this thread making threads of their own talking about what bothers them in life--

Why?

Because it’s so much more fun looking, picking at and deciphering someone elses life than to look at ones own.

You want to know what’s funny, if this was a thread about the op actually being happy and at a good place with his/her life, the same people who love to write those award winning advices wouldn’t even bother to read, yet alone post in the thread.

Also, to the op, I don’t know you different from your handle and the occasional post I read from you here and there. I don’t know your life, family situation or anything else for that matter, so I don‘t even think I could bring myself to the level of audacity some showed flawlessly to actually want to give you advice about something I know nothing of, but why is it acceptable to talk to people on the internet who you don’t know any different from the words you see on the computer screen and the color font they may type in?

Would you go in front of your class and dispel your life’s secrets in such a fashion?

If not, why do it here? because you know us by avatars, by the words we post and we all, more or less, share the same interest for the subject matter we all are here for?

I just think it would be of more benefit to actually talk to those who would care and heavens forbid, might actually give you worthwhile advice than people who love to feel like Dr. Phils and Operha’s sitting on their thrown of a computer chair.

[Leader Desslock]

What makes you think your so much better to actually have the gaul...
Well, I am French... *shrugs*

Because it’s so much more fun looking, picking at and deciphering someone elses life than to look at ones own.
Uh... yeah? Of course?

You want to know what’s funny, if this was a thread about the op actually being happy and at a good place with his/her life, the same people who love to write those award winning advices wouldn’t even bother to read, yet alone post in the thread.
Actually, in this instance, as far as I'm concerned, that's not true. If Rebekah came on and posted about how she'd unplugged a bit, gotten her life in order, moved out, started living on her own, and now she had a happy life with goals and only went online in moderation - I would be one of the first people to post in that thread to congratulate her. I seriously would. It's going to be a difficult transition and a lot of work, so if she made it through with a good attitude intact, I'd tell her I was proud of her for making the effort. I don't even know her, but I'd be proud of her as a human being.

I just think it would be of more benefit to actually talk to those who would care and heavens forbid, might actually give you worthwhile advice than people who love to feel like Dr. Phils and Operha’s sitting on their thrown of a computer chair.
I've encouraged her many times to do this as well, to be fair.

[ryushe]

Well, I am French... *shrugs*
I was seriously sitting there for like a minute thinking I know that's not how you spell that word; Needless to say, I still don't :lol:

Actually, in this instance, as far as I'm concerned, that's not true. If Rebekah came on and posted about how she'd unplugged a bit, gotten her life in order, moved out, started living on her own, and now she had a happy life with goals and only went online in moderation - I would be one of the first people to post in that thread to congratulate her. I seriously would. It's going to be a difficult transition and a lot of work, so if she made it through with a good attitude intact, I'd tell her I was proud of her for making the effort. I don't even know her, but I'd be proud of her as a human being.
To bad your maybe one of the very few who would.

[taily]

I make it a habit not to read threads like this, yet alone post in them, but 80+ post with over 1K page views about a conspiracy led me to believe something interesting were within the pages. Unfortunately, it was just to find another thread about people stroking their egos “trying” to give advice.

You want know what the real conspiracy of it all is? You people love to come together and read threads like this to make yourself feel high and mighty about your own lives by reading lives of others that’s seems worse to yours by comparison. While reading some of these post, I actually laughed out loud with something’s people were trying to pass off as advice by saying things like “your pitiful“, “pathetic“, “you need to change your life“ etc. etc.

What makes you think your so much better to actually have the gaul to give someone advice when we’re all here for the same thing, more or less?

I don’t see all the others who’ve posted to this thread making threads of their own talking about what bothers them in life--

Why?

Because it’s so much more fun looking, picking at and deciphering someone elses life than to look at ones own.

You want to know what’s funny, if this was a thread about the op actually being happy and at a good place with his/her life, the same people who love to write those award winning advices wouldn’t even bother to read, yet alone post in the thread.

Also, to the op, I don’t know you different from your handle and the occasional post I read from you here and there. I don’t know your life, family situation or anything else for that matter, so I don‘t even think I could bring myself to the level of audacity some showed flawlessly to actually want to give you advice about something I know nothing of, but why is it acceptable to talk to people on the internet who you don’t know any different from the words you see on the computer screen and the color font they may type in?

Would you go in front of your class and dispel your life’s secrets in such a fashion?

If not, why do it here? because you know us by avatars, by the words we post and we all, more or less, share the same interest for the subject matter we all are here for?

I just think it would be of more benefit to actually talk to those who would care and heavens forbid, might actually give you worthwhile advice than people who love to feel like Dr. Phils and Operha’s sitting on their thrown of a computer chair.

Incase you havn't noticed, no-one forced fujyoshi to make this thread. Many people, myself included, tried to give advice we thought would help. I don't make threads about my RL issues simple bacause I don't feel I need/want advice from strangers. Fujyoshi obviously feels different.

[ryushe]

Incase you havn't noticed, no-one forced fujyoshi to make this thread. Many people, myself included, tried to give advice we thought would help. I don't make threads about my RL issues simple bacause I don't feel I need/want advice from strangers. Fujyoshi obviously feels different.
If you believe your any different from those I posted about in my wall of words, then just excuse yourself from the equation if it makes you feel any better.

I'm just saying, if you feel you don't need/want advice from strangers, why give it?

[tenshi_a]

Regardless of the fact it's Fujyoshi, I think the act of giving a puppy to someone who doesn't like dogs is horrible. Fujyoshi's own mother is the one who wants to cause most life interference, more than anyone on this forum, and it's totally misguided. Her mother is just trying to impose an incompatible lifestyle on Fujyoshi, this is just causing the already-high tension between them to get worse. Her mother is trolling her life. And the worst thing is that she's gone and brought a little baby dog into the situation, as living flamebait. I can't tell if her mother wants her to fail at looking after a dog she doesn't like, she wants that dog to suffer, or whatever, but it's all wrong. You should not give pets as Christmas presents, especially not to someone who doesn't want one. It's just a horrible, horrible thing that woman has done.

Just thought I'd re-voice that.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...wait. you mean this isn't about cooking dogs and which wine it goes with?

*sadness*

[ryushe]

Her mother is trolling her life. And the worst thing is that she's gone and brought a little baby dog into the situation, as living flamebait.
I'm sorry, but this is a priceless post :lol:

And I wouldn't go that far. It's a parents job to do anything in thier power to help their child if they should so happen to see anything amiss, If that should so be the reason.

Can't wrong a parent for doing what a parent should do.

[taily]

If you believe your any different from those I posted about in my wall of words, then just excuse yourself from the equation it make you feel any better.


Shall I quote my other post so you can ignore it and continue to strut around on your perceived moral high-horse accusing people of interferring with others lives when they try to give advice?


You wanted to play stingy, I just followed.

[taily]

I'm just saying, if you feel you don't need/want advice from strangers, why give it?

Same reason you'd give a present you wouldn't want but the reciever does. If she didn't want advice explain why she made this thread. She wanted pity replies? Just being an attention *****? 'Cause it looks to me like shes taking everyones advic, flamish or not, into concideration.

[ryushe]

Shall I quote my other post so you can ignore it and continue to strut around on your perceived moral high-horse accusing people of interferring with others lives when they try to give advice?


You wanted to play stingy, I just followed.
If it'd make you feel any better, by all means.

[taily]

If it'd make you feel any better, by all means.

Seeing as you seem to care so much about my wellbeing, how about you stop vomiting self-rightous moral tripe all over this thread "standing up for" a member who clearly wants peoples replies? Don't you feel silly, like helping an old lady across the road who want to stay the side they were on?

[ryushe]

No, I actually don't feel silly from stangers post in a public fourm...

And you do know I literally meant excuse yourself statement if you don't find yourself in the category, right? I don't even remember reading your post in this thread.

I didn't see anyone else get offended with what I posted. Maybe it just goes to show the true intention of your previous post *shrug* -_-

Same reason you'd give a present you wouldn't want but the reciever does.
Lol Wut?

[Broand]

Cease and desist of this tomfoolery.

[goddessofanime]

Some roasted baby goes good with dog...

[taily]

No, I actually don't feel silly from stangers post in a public fourm...

And you do know I literally meant excuse yourself statement if you don't find yourself in the category, right? I don't even remember reading your post in this thread.

I didn't see anyone else get offended with what I posted. Maybe it just goes to show the true intention of your previous post *shrug* -_-


Meh, I misunderstood you for hideous sarcasism and snarkiness, sorry. And it was the post you quoted.

[goddessofanime]

Didn't Fuji say her mom gave the dog away or something?

There you go, problem solved. Hopefully the poor dog got a nicer home.

[taily]

I think she said her mum was now pestering her brother...

[ZSYigadar]

I've seen you crawling around the forums recently and I just want to take this opatunity to say how mind-numbing obvious, unfunny, and crappy your trolling has been.

I'm trolling? All right. I had no idea but apparently if my posts are getting people to *stalk* me as you obviously have, then I guess I am.

Feel free to put me on ignore, or better yet instead of having a one-track mind where you believe a forum post is an "opatunity", feel free to take issues to Private Message rather than broadcasting your self-worth on the forums.

I think you're the troll here. ;) And you got me to respond, so, Bravo.

[Haruhi]

I'm trolling? All right. I had no idea but apparently if my posts are getting people to *stalk* me as you obviously have, then I guess I am.

Feel free to put me on ignore, or better yet instead of having a one-track mind where you believe a forum post is an "opatunity", feel free to take issues to Private Message rather than broadcasting your self-worth on the forums.

I think you're the troll here. ;) And you got me to respond, so, Bravo.

Ohhh. Noo. That kind of attitude simply won't do. I've been getting reports on you, and from what I'm seeing it DOES constitute trolling. And for that, you get a warning. Should I receive so much as one more complaint about you that displeases me or the other people here, I will ban you.

It's really that simple. Don't be such a troll and get along here. K?

[Lemina]

We will be on the watch ZSYigadar, and this also goes for anyone else who trolls the forums. Now lets get back on topic, otherwise this thread will find itself being locked before you know it. I have removed several posts. Thread derailing, trolling, and spamming will not be tolerated!!

[ZSYigadar]

Ohhh. Noo. That kind of attitude simply won't do. I've been getting reports on you, and from what I'm seeing it DOES constitute trolling. And for that, you get a warning. Should I receive so much as one more complaint about you that displeases me or the other people here, I will ban you.

It's really that simple. Don't be such a troll and get along here. K?

Okay, thanks for the private message rather than posting this on the forums where it would obviously be inappropriate for a moderator to-oh wait.

The love for drama the moderators on this forum seem to posses is astonishing. You'd think simply PMing me that there was a disagreement with the contents of my posts would suffice.

All right, you win, I'll cease to have any disagreement, criticism, or any thought which might not fall in line with the collective on anime fans on this forum's views. Apparently it's called "trolling" in this corner of the internet.

[ryushe]

Okay, thanks for the private message rather than posting this on the forums where it would obviously be inappropriate for a moderator to-oh wait.
He's got a point, here...

[Bernard_Monsha]

Okay, thanks for the private message rather than posting this on the forums where it would obviously be inappropriate for a moderator to-oh wait.

How many times have you been banned from here already? I know the Eva forum is slow but damn man, damn.


He's got a point, here...

If you don't like being told to stop being an asshat in public don't act like one.

Back on topic, uhm how about that dog.

[ryushe]

If you don't like being told to stop being an asshat in public don't act like one.

No denying that, but it's like if two siblings fight and you scream at just one in front of the other, it's gives the one that wasn't screamed at a superior attitude now and that will lead to more problems in the future.

But seriously, what about that dog now?

[Old Ape Face]

No denying that, but it's like if two siblings fight and you scream at just one in front of the other, it's gives the one that wasn't screamed at a superior attitude now and that will lead to more problems in the future.

But seriously, what about that dog now?

That is where just discipline comes into play, if one thinks the other's getting worse off, beat him too.

[goddessofanime]

Who let the dogs out? WOOF WOOF WOOF
who let the dogs out? WOOF WOOF WOOF

[Haruhi]

Who let the dogs out? WOOF WOOF WOOF
who let the dogs out? WOOF WOOF WOOF

*pats goddess on the shoulder and shakes her head* =T

Regarding ZSYigadar, he had it coming. There were MANY a times when I warned people in PM to get their acts together, only for them not to. I find it easier just to go public because at least then everyone will know that we're not taking crap from anybody. If you want to be treated with respect on the forum, then you damn well better treat others with it as well.

In this case, he was being a troll and he had to know that it has to stop. This wasn't showing favouritism in the least. I don't take sides when warning people. If I believe one side is wrong and the other isn't, the one that's wrong will be warned.

Also, I find it funny how people consider what's appropriate for a mod, yet they continue to act like idiots. So, apparently it's okay that people troll, just as long as mods act the way they want. Yeah, ok. That's a ridiculous double standard.

Edit, let's get back on topic! =)

[ryushe]

Yes, then how 'bout making general warnings than just singling people out.

And in no way, shape or form am I picking up for the actions of ZSYigadar. It's just something I've seen on this forum numerous times in the past.

[Old Ape Face]

Yes, then how 'bout making general warnings than just singling people out.

And in no way, shape or form am I picking up for the actions of ZSYigadar. It's just something I've seen on this forum numerous times in the past.

Really I think you would understand what the mods mean by trolling, I mean come on, you doing something stupid results in attention from the mods. How hard is that to take in?

[Haruhi]

"Don't troll"
"Don't flame"

and last but not least, "don't act like an asshat" are general rules we ALL follow. In a way, if you're going to do said things, you're singling yourself out.

[ryushe]

Really I think you would understand what the mods mean by trolling, I mean come on, you doing something stupid results in attention from the mods. How hard is it take in?
I really don't wanna take it further than it's already been, but if someone bites you and you bite back, why is the one that gets bitten first most of the time called out?

Never mind thou, it's just something I've noticed for some time now. I'll try not to lose sleep over it tonight. ^_^

[Old Ape Face]

I really don't wanna take it further than it's already been, but if someone bites you and you bite back, why is the one that gets bitten first most of the time called out?

Never mind thou, it's just something I've noticed for some time now. I'll try not to lose sleep over it tonight. ^_^

That's is typically the reason I hold myself back in outstanding arguments with people on here.

And I also try to stop posting when it's derailing the thread and I have nothing more to add to the topic at hand.

[Haruhi]

I really don't wanna take it further than it's already been, but if someone bites you and you bite back, why is the one that gets bitten first most of the time called out?


Because the one that gets called out had it coming more. However, that doesn't mean the other party isn't guilty either. Both parties shouldn't have been acting that way in the first place.


Never mind thou, it's just something I've noticed for some time now. I'll try not to lose sleep over it tonight. ^_^

Yes. Let's never mind it, since he's gone and that's all she wrote.

[goddessofanime]

Why do you all care about someone getting banned?


*wags her tail as Haruhi pats her* :P

[Lemina]

This thread has clearly been derailed from its original topic. If you don't follow the rules, you will follow in the same footsteps as ZSYigadar. Consider re-reading the AN FAQ (http://www.animenation.net/forums/faq.php) page if you have forgotten what the rules are. We will give infractions up to and including bannings for your blatant actions. Thread locked.