Swedish Government monitoring all internet activity.

[Hara!]

Posted on the homepage of ThePirateBay:
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On 17 June the Swedish Parliament will vote on imposing the interception of all Swedish citizens. Försvarets Radioanstalt (FRA) ges i uppdrag att avlyssna all kabelburen kommunikation som passerar Sveriges gränser. Defence Radioanstalt (FRA) be instructed to intercept all communications kabelburen crossing the borders of Sweden.

Nästan all kommunikation , även inom Sverige, passerar idag gränsen och kommer därmed att avlyssnas. Almost all communication, even in Sweden, crossing the border today and will thereby be intercepted. E-post, sms, webbtrafik, chattar och mobil- och telefonsamtal, allt analyseras. E-mail, text messages, web traffic, chatting and mobile and telephone calls, all analyzed.

Ingen domstol är inblandad . No court is involved. Ingen brottsmisstanke krävs. No offenders are required. Alla behandlas som misstänkta. All are treated as suspicious.

Även regering och myndigheter ges befogenhet att söka i den privata kommunikationen. While the Government and authorities be given the power to look into the private communications. Lagen öppnar för nya, godtyckliga användningsområden. The law opens the way for new, arbitrary uses. Materialet kan dessutom lätt missbrukas eller hamna i fel händer. The material can easily be misused or fall into the wrong hands.

Källskydd och meddelarfrihet blir tomma ord när varje kontakt med media kan vara avlyssnad. Källskydd and meddelarfrihet become empty words when any contact with the media can be intercepted.

Avlyssningen ska skydda mot odefinierade ”yttre hot”. Avlyssningen to protect against undefined "external threats". I själva verket utgör den nya lagen i sig ett allvarligt hot mot det öppna och fria samhället. In fact, the new law in itself a serious threat to the open and free society.

[Xhalen]

Don't know enough about the Swede government's make-up to know if this is something that a small group of lawmakers is throwing out there or if it has significant backing.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...i totally understood that. because Brock Samson taught me.

[Ken-Ohki]

It's the swedes not the swiss. Anyway, that's pretty scary. I'd have nothing to fear since frankly, I do nothing of value on the internet but still, I'm glad I don't live there.

[Old Ape Face]

It's the swedes not the swiss. Anyway, that's pretty scary. I'd have nothing to fear since frankly, I do nothing of value on the internet but still, I'm glad I don't live there.

would checking Bank Statements online be considered valuable? =/

[Spadesy]

Go Big Brother, go Big Brother, go.

[fujyoshi]

I do nothing worth caring about on the internet worth OTHER people caring about atlease so yea

[Shiroiyuki]

I thought the Swedes were too busy making porn.

OH! Maybe they'll just be monitoring all internet porn activity. That makes much more sense.

[Ikari Warrior]

I do nothing worth caring about on the internet worth OTHER people caring about atlease so yea

Yeah, we don't even care here. Not that anyone knows what the hell you're saying :P

[Caster13]

I thought the Swedes were too busy making porn.

OH! Maybe they'll just be monitoring all internet porn activity. That makes much more sense.

I thought that was the Germans? I guess I don't look at porn enough.

But I also don't want my computer to fry.:lol:

[Shiroiyuki]

I thought that was the Germans? I guess I don't look at porn enough.


No, Germans just make angry porn. There's a difference, I think....:unsure:


Not that I am any authority on the subject, you know.

[Trefellin]

Damn the Swedes! You just know they're plotting to take away peoples liberties.

Damn them to hell! I really hope the Greeks football rape them today, and I absolutely hate the Greeks! :angry:

[Nathan-the-Axe]

I thought the Swedes were too busy making porn.

OH! Maybe they'll just be monitoring all internet porn activity. That makes much more sense.

Good thing I don't live in Sweden.

[Shiroiyuki]

Good thing I don't live in Sweden.

...yes, because how the world of porn would suffer :lol:

Get five minutes into it, and suddenly you'd change the subject.

*AUGH AUGH*

"Anyone up for some tea?"

*Facepalm*

[earsofdoom]

No, Germans just make angry porn. There's a difference, I think....:unsure:


Not that I am any authority on the subject, you know.

....You seem to know an awful lot about it for someone who's not any authority on the subject. :P

[Trefellin]

^ That's true. :|

[Nathan-the-Axe]

^ That's true. :naughty:

Fixed for accuracy. (Filler)

[Shiroiyuki]

Oh yeah, sure.

If I was a guy, you'd all be like.....NIIIIICCCEEEE :thumbsup: :smokin:

:lol:

[Trefellin]

Fixed for accuracy. (Filler)

I have a moral obligation against winking and thus shall not wink in any form despite it's possible dramatic effects. :|

[Meson]

Is this like the US government making the US ISPs block child porn?

[Suiko Eiji]

Good thing I don't live in Sweden.

You'll care when your traffic goes through Sweden though. Sure, people in North America probably won't have to worry about extremely sensitive information like bank or medical information having to pass through Swedish servers, but imagine Europeans whose traffic might cross Sweden.

Sweden is seen as one of the testing grounds for the physical, legal realm to practice in cyberspace. Even though a minor party, they are also most famous for founding the Piratpartiet, Pirate Party, for copyright reform and concerning Internet usage. For Sweden, known for progressive views on technology, liberal democracy and a slightly-less-than-the-Swiss neutrality views on foreign policy, for them all of a sudden to take stringent measures on Internet monitoring and usage comes sort of as a surprise. As someone who is heavily involved with the Internet (both as a working, professional member of society and a recreational user: not limited to living in my mother's basement) it's worrisome that any government would being monitoring traffic of users. It's something that I'd expect from the PRC or DPRK or some other totalitarian government: not Sweden, for Christ's sake.

But, I'm also a notorious cynic: how are they going to monitor it? Is there enough significant personnel to handle such an issue? It sounds like it could be blustering posture of members of the Riksdag and go nowhere but I can't imagine that to be serious. I hope I'm wrong about that and this is all some huge joke by the ruling majority parties to get back at the Piratpartiet.

[Nakey]

i can just imagine them looking at the packets

syn
ack
bork
bork
bork
end

[CrossboneGundam]

Is that block of gibberish supposed to mean something?

[Tidusauron12]

Is that block of gibberish supposed to mean something?

Haha, those were my thoughts as I read it. :lol:

[taily]

Wow, thats really stupid. It'll probadly cost a hella lot

[Nathan-the-Axe]

You know what needs to be shut down in the US? The child modeling sites. I stumbled upon one by accident, and let me tell you, there is NO reason this should be on the internet. We don't need 5 and 6 year olds modeling Bikini's. These non-nude child modeling sites are protected by law, and I think that is very, very bad. The only reason these sites are out there, and the only people who look at them (for the most part) are pedophiles. I am guessing in the samples section they provide some of their more conservative pictures as to not stir up ruckus, but I don't even want to know what is in the members sections of these filthy websites.

The worse part is I read on their legal terms (Yes I did a lot of reserch on this) that the child AND parents have to agree to put them up on the internet. WHAT PARENTS WOULD AGREE TO LET THEIR 5-13 YEAR OLD PUT ON A BIKINI/PROVOCATIVE CLOTHING AND BE PUT ON THE INTERNET? Who? Where are these sick, twisted, greedy people? They deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. Just because these sites are non-nudes doesn't mean they are ok. I do not see why the federal government in the US allows this kind of thing to slip by. It is pretty much soft-core non-nude child pornography.

Sweden may have problems, but the US does too, really big ones.

[Hara!]

You know what needs to be shut down in the US? The child modeling sites. I stumbled upon one by accident, and let me tell you, there is NO reason this should be on the internet. We don't need 5 and 6 year olds modeling Bikini's. These non-nude child modeling sites are protected by law, and I think that is very, very bad. The only reason these sites are out there, and the only people who look at them (for the most part) are pedophiles. I am guessing in the samples section they provide some of their more conservative pictures as to not stir up ruckus, but I don't even want to know what is in the members sections of these filthy websites.

The worse part is I read on their legal terms (Yes I did a lot of reserch on this) that the child AND parents have to agree to put them up on the internet. WHAT PARENTS WOULD AGREE TO LET THEIR 5-13 YEAR OLD PUT ON A BIKINI/PROVOCATIVE CLOTHING AND BE PUT ON THE INTERNET? Who? Where are these sick, twisted, greedy people? They deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. Just because these sites are non-nudes doesn't mean they are ok. I do not see why the federal government in the US allows this kind of thing to slip by. It is pretty much soft-core non-nude child pornography.

Sweden may have problems, but the US does too, really big ones.

Most of those sites are on Russian servers.

[Nathan-the-Axe]

Most of those sites are on Russian servers.

Do you agree they need to be taken down though?

[Broand]

Do you agree they need to be taken down though?

I agree they should be put down yes. But I'm more interested in how you just so "happened" to stumble upon said site.

[Suiko Eiji]

Is that block of gibberish supposed to mean something?

"syn", "ack", and "end" are buffers in TCP (and UDP?) packets that tell packets where to go and what they are. "bork bork bork" ... is, well, Swedish.

You know what needs to be shut down in the US? The child modeling sites. I stumbled upon one by accident, and let me tell you, there is NO reason this should be on the internet. We don't need 5 and 6 year olds modeling Bikini's. These non-nude child modeling sites are protected by law, and I think that is very, very bad. The only reason these sites are out there, and the only people who look at them (for the most part) are pedophiles. I am guessing in the samples section they provide some of their more conservative pictures as to not stir up ruckus, but I don't even want to know what is in the members sections of these filthy websites.

The worse part is I read on their legal terms (Yes I did a lot of reserch on this) that the child AND parents have to agree to put them up on the internet. WHAT PARENTS WOULD AGREE TO LET THEIR 5-13 YEAR OLD PUT ON A BIKINI/PROVOCATIVE CLOTHING AND BE PUT ON THE INTERNET? Who? Where are these sick, twisted, greedy people? They deserve to be punished to the full extent of the law. Just because these sites are non-nudes doesn't mean they are ok. I do not see why the federal government in the US allows this kind of thing to slip by. It is pretty much soft-core non-nude child pornography.

Sweden may have problems, but the US does too, really big ones.

I support this measure one step further - all kids should be banished from the Internet. No access, no pictures, nothing. Let the guy selling used vans get back to worrying about vehicles for pedophilia.

[Nathan-the-Axe]

I agree they should be put down yes. But I'm more interested in how you just so "happened" to stumble upon said site.

Uh.. Well, I was on some adult sites, doing a little browsing (don't worry - legal ones) and I was looking to see how much it cost to subscribe, and where it had the price it had a list of sites you also got access too. One of those sites was one of those child modeling sites. I didn't subscribe.

[dothacker5]

Now I am far from a child but I enjoy my connection Suiko!:lol:
I find this ironic because the Pirate Bay is centered in Sweden, I call pressuring by MAFIAA. Woah wait so you were going to pay for porn? Brother look up redtube.com.

[Nathan-the-Axe]

Now I am far from a child but I enjoy my connection Suiko!:lol:
I find this ironic because the Pirate Bay is centered in Sweden, I call pressuring by MAFIAA. Woah wait so you were going to pay for porn? Brother look up redtube.com.

Never said it was with my card. ^_^

[Caster13]

Now I am far from a child but I enjoy my connection Suiko!:lol:
I find this ironic because the Pirate Bay is centered in Sweden, I call pressuring by MAFIAA. Woah wait so you were going to pay for porn? Brother look up redtube.com.

Dare I ask, what stuff is on redtube? I don't want to run into anything that will scar me for life. Or should I expect to see rule 34 on the main page on 10,000% overdrive?

[Nathan-the-Axe]

Dare I ask, what stuff is on redtube? I don't want to run into anything that will scar me for life. Or should I expect to see rule 34 on the main page on 10,000% overdrive?

I checked it out, its just like all the other youtube porno clones.

[Old Ape Face]

Oh yeah, sure.

If I was a guy, you'd all be like.....NIIIIICCCEEEE :thumbsup: :smokin:

:lol:

Girls have a sixth sense about where porn comes from even if they don't watch porn :|

That's why it's no surprise to me.

[Shiroiyuki]

Girls have a sixth sense about where porn comes from even if they don't watch porn :|

That's why it's no surprise to me.

The box in your closet marked 'Trading Cards' doesn't count :lol:

[Old Ape Face]

The box in your closet marked 'Trading Cards' doesn't count :lol:

Wrong, it's marked, things I need to burn before I die.

[xia]

1984 much?

[Old Ape Face]

1984 much?

no that's the stuff I want to keep :| anything after 2000 needs to burn.

[taily]

I support this measure one step further - all kids should be banished from the Internet. No access, no pictures, nothing. Let the guy selling used vans get back to worrying about vehicles for pedophilia.

Wow, that was a bit extreme; not only did you ignore Nathens post entirely, but you proposed one of of the stupidest things I have ever heard.Seriously, it's right up there with the guy who asked for a room mate on here.

[Old Ape Face]

Wow, that was a bit extreme; not only did you ignore Nathens post entirely, but you proposed one of of the stupidest things I have ever heard.Seriously, it's right up there with the guy who asked for a room mate on here.

actually I will second with his opinion :| just becuase I'm in a bad mood right now.

In my opinion the only thing the internet should be used for is career enhancement, if you're job does not require you to have internet access, then you should not be on it.

The only constructive thing I do on here is check my bank statements.

[xia]

no that's the stuff I want to keep :| anything after 2000 needs to burn.

Big brother is watching you guy.

[Old Ape Face]

Big brother is watching you guy.

Like I care, big brother is gay and needs a girlfriend <_<

[Jia]

Next up -
Ministries Of Love,Truth,Peace and Plenty.

Bai Bai Free World.

If I read it right.

[Trefellin]

Next up -
Ministries Of Love,Truth,Peace and Plenty.

I call dibs on being the illustrious Minister of Tomfoolery!

[Xhalen]

Next up -
Ministries Of Love,Truth,Peace and Plenty.

Bai Bai Free World.

If I read it right.

I suppose it depends on where one lives really, some people already don't live in what I'd consider a 'Free World'.

Then again, sometimes when people have too much freedom they really lose perspective.

[Suiko Eiji]

I find this ironic because the Pirate Bay is centered in Sweden, I call pressuring by MAFIAA.

Yes, it's no secret that the MAFIAA have been going after Swedish governments about issues like The Pirate Bay (whose servers were in Sweden, we shut down and moved to Denmark, then some moved back to Sweden when it was uncovered that the MAFIAA had pressured Swedish law enforcement on American law). Aside from the one pirate Bay incident, the Swedish governments have had a history of turning a deaf ear to the MAFIAA, much like the Russians ("beeznessmen" and businessmen alike). Now, this seems like the MAFIAA may be gaining ground in Sweden while losing it in the US,

Wow, that was a bit extreme; not only did you ignore Nathens post entirely, but you proposed one of of the stupidest things I have ever heard.Seriously, it's right up there with the guy who asked for a room mate on here.

How did I ignore his post? He expressed a distaste for sites which skirt around child pornography definitions, to which I replied that I agreed - I'd like to see the CM sites done in as well - but in addition, would rt to prevent children from being on it in the first place. I didn't ignore it, I merely built upon it.

Think about it - twelve years ago when I first began using "the Net", there was no warnings about unsafe surfing, what information you gave out and cyber-predators and all that. There weren't people committing suicide because they got schooled on Usenet or IRC. Now, the problems are becoming fairly common. Cyber-predators stalk kids on MySpace (because they give out too much information), and a vicious MySpace prank ended in a teen committing suicide.

I don't want to alleviate the responsibility or culpability of the perpatrators - but, if you can't play with the big boys, then maybe you should take your toys and go home. The Internet is a harsh, unfeeling place. The information superhighway goes through some pretty seedy neighborhoods. If you're not responsible enough to know what not to do, then you shouldn't have the privilege. Since parents aren't taking responsibility, then the whole lot should be banned unless they've proven themselves to be able to handle it.

[Trefellin]

^ I don't think it's a good idea to restrict such an enormous base of information and communication to a privileged few.