$100 or more to fill it up. we. are. SCREWED.

[Caster13]

check any news site. its $200 for a gallon of oil, so its gonna cost a hundred bucks or more to fill up your gas tank, depending on the state.:crybaby:

i feel so badly for California....i really mean it.

[Lord Timaeus]

I liked you better when you didn't have an avatar...

... you're not Canadian, are you?

[Caster13]

im from New Jersey. i got an "Ouran over nine thousand" pic, so maybe ill put up that.

[Lord Timaeus]

Oh well. IB4Trolls.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...wow. for someone like Kenpachi, i figured you'd be all MAN MEAT.

i guess i was right. Ouran is awesome - in a curious-straight-guy kinda way.

[Bernard_Monsha]

check any news site. its $200 for a gallon of oil, so its gonna cost a hundred bucks or more to fill up your gas tank, depending on the state.:crybaby:

i feel so badly for California....i really mean it.

I see it is not quite 100 dollars. What are you talking about?

[Lord Timaeus]

I see it is not quite 100 dollars. What are you talking about?

Long story short, Kenpachi is a paranoid leftist that puts Michael Moore to shame (http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20071119.B06&irec=5).

[Bernard_Monsha]

Long story short, Kenpachi is a paranoid leftist that puts Michael Moore to shame (http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20071119.B06&irec=5).

Alan Greenspan said that if we left Sadaam in power he would have buddied up with Chavez and Iran to drive oil prices close to 250 dollars.

[Caster13]

...wow. for someone like Kenpachi, i figured you'd be all MAN MEAT.

i guess i was right. Ouran is awesome - in a curious-straight-guy kinda way.

*clears throat* exactly what do you mean by that?
I see it is not quite 100 dollars. What are you talking about?

i was in the gym and on one of the TVs hanging up was about the price of oil going up to $200 a barrel. THANK GOD that the oil tank for heating my house is full.

[Caster13]

Long story short, Kenpachi is a paranoid leftist that puts Michael Moore to shame (http://www.thejakartapost.com/detailheadlines.asp?fileid=20071119.B06&irec=5).

im not leftist or anything. dammit i thought this thread would matter because now no one can afford to drive unless everyone has super efficient hybrids.

[Animematt55]

Alan Greenspan said that if we left Sadaam in power he would have buddied up with Chavez and Iran to drive oil prices close to 250 dollars.

Didnt Saddam HATE Iran?

[Lord Timaeus]

im not leftist or anything. dammit i thought this thread would matter because now no one can afford to drive unless everyone has super efficient hybrids.

First of all, I don't drive, and I never plan to need a car. Second, if anything, this makes it even more likely the US isn't going to attack Iran, for as stupid as Bush is perceived to be already, I highly doubt he's THAT stupid to go through with an invasion at this point.

[Caster13]

^we've been surprised before.

many countries want the people in charge of oil to change the currency that is used to price oil from the dollar to something of more value. they dont want to.

[Lord Timaeus]

^we've been surprised before.

many countries want the people in charge of oil to change the currency that is used to price oil from the dollar to something of more value. they dont want to.

Well, to satirically quote Kent Brockman, I, for one, welcome our new Iranian overlords.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Didnt Saddam HATE Iran?

We hated Great Britain, Japan, Canada, Russia, Germany and Italy at one time or another. That will never stop people or countries from making alliances beneficial to themselves. Particuraly dictatorships who have no accountablility with their population.

[gh0zt]

^for example, saddam sided with Iran to put down Kurdish rebellion not too long after he gained power

[Sushikins]

Doesn't sound very likely, though if it did happen, I'd just drive a bit less than I do now.

[Caster13]

this sucks. how the hell am i gonna see my dad on my birthday? even though he's only an hour away?

guess i wont.

[gh0zt]

i have to drive from nc to ny tomorrow......but my car gets about 35 a gal

[Caster13]

my mom has a Toyota Highlander with a V6. but considering a tank of gas lasted her a week, with a lot of driving, its not bad.

[Leader Desslock]

WE are screwed? Who's this "We"? I commute by bicycle. The price of gas doesn't affect me directly at all.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

WE are screwed? Who's this "We"? I commute by bicycle. The price of gas doesn't affect me directly at all.

...i thought Desslock traveled by tobogganing through the slicked roads, lubricated by the blood of his enemies fallen in battle.

oh well.

[animeotaku99]

Saddam would probably start a war against Iran if we were lucky.
anyways... http://animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=209896 here is why it is costing us so much and those terrorist bastards that are getting our money love it

[Caster13]

Arabs run the oil and they hate us so this is there way of punishing the West. they dont care about anyone else, as long as they affect America.

we dont have nearly enough people in our armed forces to use our big guns to the fullest anyway.

and you still cant do anything about this in America, because we have an oil tycoon as a president and the American car companies makes gas guzzlers. a bad combo that is screwing us severely.

and it looks like theres a good chance of having Hillary run for president too.

[Holy Knight]

...i thought Desslock traveled by tobogganing through the slicked roads, lubricated by the blood of his enemies fallen in battle.

oh well.

He did think of that and it would have worked, considering the number of fallen enemies. The kink was the fact that roads are mostly flat. Instead, he decided to put hidden cleats on his tires. So whenever someone obstructs his path, he tears through them, replenishing his tires with fresh blood in such a fashion as they never go flat.

Truly, an environmentalist if there ever was one.

[Animematt55]

Arabs run the oil and they hate us so this is there way of punishing the West. they dont care about anyone else, as long as they affect America.

we dont have nearly enough people in our armed forces to use our big guns to the fullest anyway.

and you still cant do anything about this in America, because we have an oil tycoon as a president and the American car companies makes gas guzzlers. a bad combo that is screwing us severely.

and it looks like theres a good chance of having Hillary run for president too.

We can use our biggest weapon...you know, those ones....ya, the big ones

[Caster13]

yes, start nuking everywhere and therefore get attacks even worse than 9-11.

why dont we just get an idea of where Osama possibly is and just unload on those spots. He's a 6 and a half foot 60 something year old Arab in need of a dialisis machine. how the hell can they not find him!?

forget taking him prisoner. Nuke the bastard. just one nuke.

[Animematt55]

yes, start nuking everywhere and therefore get attacks even worse than 9-11.

why dont we just get an idea of where Osama possibly is and just unload on those spots. He's a 6 and a half foot 60 something year old Arab in need of a dialisis machine. how the hell can they not find him!?

forget taking him prisoner. Nuke the bastard. just one nuke.
Rain bacon everywhere in his apparent location, along with used...women hygene products. He wont be able to move from his position without touching one of them. He will be caught, etc etc.


ANyways, i filled up on gas today 3.05 9/10 with discount.

[Old Ape Face]

I get a 10 cent discount for shopping at my grocery store, The only thing is I have to spend 50 bucks to save 10 cents a gallon. =/ uh ok. and I thought that was just a warning. the people sitting on oil really didn't give up on the US dollar did they, and where is Florida, Texas, and Alaska? are they being invaded by monkeys?

[Animematt55]

I get a 10 cent discount for shopping at my grocery store, The only thing is I have to spend 50 bucks to save 10 cents a gallon. =/ uh ok

at my grocery store, every ten dollars you spend, you get 1 cent off per gallon.
I never spend more than 10 at a time

It used to be that it was 4 cents off no matter how much you spent

[Old Ape Face]

at my grocery store, every ten dollars you spend, you get 1 cent off per gallon.
I never spend more than 10 at a time

It used to be that it was 4 cents off no matter how much you spent

Our store has good values with things, 10 cents a gallon use to be a big thing when the price per gallon was under 2.50 a gallon, no 10 cents is just good as 1 cent off =/ you really do need to spend 500 dollars there to bring the prices back to reasonable use. =/

[Tom Servo]

The price of gas doesn't affect me directly at all.
Yes it does. All your food has to be transported and processed, which means oil has to be used. Most packaging is made from plastics, which is made from oil. It drives up the price of nearly everything.

yes, start nuking everywhere and therefore get attacks even worse than 9-11.

why dont we just get an idea of where Osama possibly is and just unload on those spots. He's a 6 and a half foot 60 something year old Arab in need of a dialisis machine. how the hell can they not find him!?

forget taking him prisoner. Nuke the bastard. just one nuke.
Oh lord, that reminds me of this interview with a Royal Navy commander who was going on about the UK's Trident nuclear missile system - there are four submarines, two of which are always on patrol at each of the poles, each carries 16 missiles, each missile has 12 nuclear warheads which he calmy said "can be set to a dispersal pattern over a continent for complete eradication" - what a completely bonkers weapon that is.

Anyway, if you're the most wanted man on the planet you know what you can do to evade capture - just head over to Afghanistan.

[Leader Desslock]

Yes it does. All your food has to be transported and processed, which means oil has to be used. Most packaging is made from plastics, which is made from oil. It drives up the price of nearly everything.
That's an indirect price. That's why I qualified my statement with the word "directly". I'm already aware of the price increase in goods and services. It's much less than the hit I'd take if I was driving, but it's there.

[CrossboneGundam]

Kenpachi.

:lol:

A barrel of oil is not a gallon.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

It's more like five galons.

[Tuna]

Actually, a barrel of oil can make 20 gallons of gasoline...
:3

[Dorktron2000]

Arabs run the oil and they hate us so this is there way of punishing the West. they dont care about anyone else, as long as they affect America.

I would say this is wrong. The price of oil that we see going up is on oil futures; people who buy oil futures are artificially driving up the price. While part of it is the fact that a lot of people have problems with Iran, I would say a larger part of it is because of the collapse of part of the mortgage market. Because the stock market and funds are so volatile, oil is seen as a safe and known commodity; thus people turn to it like Linus turns to his blanket.

Another part of the rise is the weakness of the U.S. dollar, which again returns to the problems in the mortgage market.

Also I'm sure it's sitting at $98 as of 11/20.

[Fobb]

I'd drive a damn bike, wtf is this!?

[Undrave]

Go buy a ZENN. In Canada it would be sold at around 12 000. I guess that's like...15 000 in the US? :lol:

http://zenncars.com/

[VSh]

^ I think I'll wait for CAT (Compressed Air Technology): http://www.theaircar.com/

[waltsoph3]

You know its been a while since this topic was posted on but in open honesty..do you wanna know one of the reasons for the economic crisis..this is why. Amazing how some people just completly forget this lesson.

We havent hit 200 yet. But give it time. In the meentime enjoy the cheap gas prices while you can because they won't last. Im sorry im not trying to be meen but its realistic.

[Shiroiyuki]

The only reason gas went up was because Bush got off on bombing Iraq.

Now that Obama is in office I don't really worry about gas so much. The price of watermelons rising, however, may be a very serious threat.

[Black Cat]

good thing i hate watermelons

[Old Ape Face]

The only reason gas went up was because Bush got off on bombing Iraq.

Now that Obama is in office I don't really worry about gas so much. The price of watermelons rising, however, may be a very serious threat.

how about the price for water in general, I mean it all goes to the bottling companies anyway. Who would pay 20 bucks for a 24oz bottle of Poland spring water?

[KabukiSaMuRaI]

Bottled water seems to be on most people's shopping lists.

[Spadesy]

You know its been a while since this topic was posted on but in open honesty..do you wanna know one of the reasons for the economic crisis..this is why. Amazing how some people just completly forget this lesson.

We havent hit 200 yet. But give it time. In the meentime enjoy the cheap gas prices while you can because they won't last. Im sorry im not trying to be meen but its realistic.

http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/lblackwell/2005/03/01/thread_necromancer.png?

[Leader Desslock]

^ You know what I liked about his post? He says, "You want to know why...?" then completely neglects to mention the reason. He just says "this is why", without saying what this might be. :lol:

But yeah, reviving a dead thread about gas prices when those gas prices have already dropped back to their earlier levels...

[Holy Knight]

You know its been a while since this topic was posted on but in open honesty..do you wanna know one of the reasons for the economic crisis..this is why. Amazing how some people just completly forget this lesson.

We havent hit 200 yet. But give it time. In the meentime enjoy the cheap gas prices while you can because they won't last. Im sorry im not trying to be meen but its realistic.

The reasons for the crisis have to do with the banks giving out unsupervised loans people couldn't repay. The banks end up going down and people go into mass panic and pull out of the market at record speeds. There would have been no so-called economic crisis if everyone kept investing in perfectly stable and profitable companies. Oil has nothing to do with this. Faulty legislature is the culprit.

Yes, oil will rise again once the economy picks up. This is common sense.

[Jia]

What kind of idiot pays for $100 to fill their car up everytime.
Unless you live in a land with only like one petrol station stick petrol hole thing.

Gahhh

In my country we only pay $1-$2
Sucker.......

[tenshi_a]

What kind of idiot pays for $100 to fill their car up everytime.
Unless you live in a land with only like one petrol station stick petrol hole thing.

Gahhh

In my country we only pay $1-$2
Sucker.......

I think the last time I saw my dad fill his car for under (the equivalent of) $100, it was the early 1990s... :unsure:

[Jia]

$100 a litre is like.....scary?

[tenshi_a]

My dad puts more than a single litre into his car to fill it up... you must have a very very small car...?

[The Million Dollar Prons]

British people don't drive though you guys just take double decker buses everywhere

[tenshi_a]

I do, because I live in a city. :)

[well, double decker buses and high-speed trains....]

He doesn't because he lives in the countryside and needs to drive across mountain ranges and things. :(

[Old Ape Face]

My dad puts more than a single litre into his car to fill it up... you must have a very very small car...?

or cheaper gas prices, come on, on a good day my car takes 20-35 USD to fill a 12 gallon tank. However much that is in liters it's a lot less then 100 Euro a liter.

Not my fault your dad drives a tanker to work.

[waltsoph3]

:lol: Lol a made up magic the gathering card. That was a good one i gotta give ya props.

If i didnt care about you guys i wouldnt have even said a word on this.


No my comments though are not irrelivant its about awareness and to prepare while you still can.

Thats why i posted about it.

In fairness some people could easly forget simple day by day problems untill they do effect you.
I meen if it didnt then why would someone post this oil topic in the first place? Simple at one time here was a huge demand. Infact its called the old supply and demand of economy

Riding a bike?..hey good for you. I love to bike ride as well. But i do gotta politly remind some of ya....

Oil does for the moment make the world go round.


Witch meens jobs like airliners and hard working truckers who do have to pay over $100.00s just to transport your goods.

Shipping prices rose because of oil.

Most of your electricity comes from oil. Thats why some of your electric bills are higher.

Or what about the airports merging that were made earlier in 2008 why? Because they were going broke . they couldnt keep up with oil prices.

Wonder why your groceries like watermellons are getting higher? You can thank oil as a part for that factor.

Buissness were drove out because oil was more of a priorty then buying non important goods. Such as anime and manga for example.

The list goes on. Belive me oil did have a domino effect with economy more then some of you will ever know...belive it or not its your choice. I'm sticking to it.

To some of you maybee its not one of the main economic reasons your hearing about right now but trust me it did play a major one.

Speaking of the "bail outs"...why is it the fact that people aren't buying cars and why the motor companies are in critcal condition..before you say loans....

maybee one of the facts is people wised up and no one wants to buy new cars because of the fact of how much they may have to spend in gas to drive it? Like those gas gozzling miles to the gallon ones.

Now picture this with our economy the way it is right now and if we don't get out of it....you take taxs,your bills, your other survival essentials and then add into the equation what do we say if it does make it to close to 200 per barrel by summer..$5-6 maybee 7 per gallon?

Where i live we almost reached 4.00 last year.

Now if you can please look these and compare:
(there long i know and can give ya a headache but the results tell the facts.)

How we got to the high point
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_price_increases_since_2003

And what was said on todays yahoo news post on oil.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090114/ap_on_bi_ge/oil_prices

Now im not saying this is a fact oil could rise again..but you have experts talking about this.
It could and may happen. Lets hope these fatcors are wrong. But i do belive in the old saying..actions speak louder then words.

Anyways thxs for reading. And stay sharp in todays world.

[Shiroiyuki]

Wonder why your groceries like watermellons are getting higher? You can thank oil as a part for that factor.

:lol: :lol:

That wasn't exactly the effect what I was going for...:unsure:


Now picture this with our economy the way it is right now and if we don't get out of it....you take taxs,your bills, your other survival essentials and then add into the equation what do we say if it does make it to close to 200 per barrel by summer..$5-6 maybee 7 per gallon?

And how do you propose we 'get out of it', exactly?

Where i live we almost reached 4.00 last year.


Um, where I lived it went higher than four bucks a gallon. Which is why I walked to work and back for most of the summer.

But it's down to one something right now, so what the hell are you complaining about? *****ing on an anime forum about government practices won't get you far, I gotta tell ya. The most we can do for your emotional hiccup is slap on a few smilies and tell you to stop whining.

[waltsoph3]

:lol: :lol:

That wasn't exactly the effect what I was going for...:unsure:



And how do you propose we 'get out of it', exactly?




Um, where I lived it went higher than four bucks a gallon. Which is why I walked to work and back for most of the summer.

But it's down to one something right now, so what the hell are you complaining about? *****ing on an anime forum about government practices won't get you far, I gotta tell ya. The most we can do for your emotional hiccup is slap on a few smilies and tell you to stop whining.

Hey Shiroiyuki i didnt finish my post the darn enter key caused it to be posted sooner before i finished. I added more to it but if you dont wanna read it its cool.


Again to emphsis like ya asked..how do we get out of it. Prepare.

But im not winning at all just helping you guys out if you do drive a car. And I'm truly sorry to hear you had to walk to work. :(
Had to do that myself.
Thats somthing i hope none of ya have to do just to get to your work place. Espically if its a good 20 miles away.

[Shiroiyuki]

Again to emphsis like ya asked..how do we get out of it. Prepare.
But all the preparing in the world won't help you if the government decides to raise prices back up.

If you haven't noticed the price of living has gone up quite a bit as well. Groceries, living expenses...just about everything is uber-expensive.

But wages have not gone up at all, at least not from where I'm sitting.

SO, even if we 'prepare' by trying to save money for another potential rise in gas prices -- something else is bound to eat up that money beforehand.

I'm truly sorry to hear you had to walk to work. :(

Nah, walking is great for the body. I looked damn sexy by the time October rolled around, mini skirt season was kind to me.

Personally I want spring to come around soon so I can do it some more!

[waltsoph3]

But wages have not gone up at all, at least not from where I'm sitting.

SO, even if we 'prepare' by trying to save money for another potential rise in gas prices -- something else is bound to eat up that money beforehand.




I could have sworn the goverment was going to attempt to rasie the minimum wage limit recently..Anybody know if that got scraped? Just curious.

:lol: And i defently agree with ya. lol yes i defently agree with ya.
theres always somthing else bound to eat up the money before hand.

[tenshi_a]

or cheaper gas prices, come on, on a good day my car takes 20-35 USD to fill a 12 gallon tank. However much that is in liters it's a lot less then 100 Euro a liter.

Not my fault your dad drives a tanker to work.

Hey, no need to insult peoples' parents just because they need to drive long distances. :(

I just worked it out with a calculator - 12 gallons of ordinary unleaded petrol in the petrol station over the road from me would cost you the equivalent of $76.55 - and that's with the exchange rate between UK pound sterling and the US dollar being low, meaning the UK pound isn't worth much. It's a bit more if your car runs on diesel (which my dad's does).

[Old Ape Face]

Hey, no need to insult peoples' parents just because they need to drive long distances. :(

I just worked it out with a calculator - 12 gallons of ordinary unleaded petrol in the petrol station over the road from me would cost you the equivalent of $76.55 - and that's with the exchange rate between UK pound sterling and the US dollar being low, meaning the UK pound isn't worth much. It's a bit more if your car runs on diesel (which my dad's does).

Back during the summer, when gas prices were nearly 5 USD a gallon, I almost payed about $57-60 for a fill up.

What made me feel good inside was the fact that my co-workers all have SUVs, and they paid well in the 100s, if it came to that I would be hurting really bad right now.

You Europeans are high on the gas still.

I mean no harm when i say that, it's just fuel economics is a big thing in our country too, and the smaller the vehicle the better in some cases.

Everything.

I wish there was a way to tax people who flame me constantly.

[max payne]

I wish there was a way to tax people who flame me constantly.

Stupidity is the heart of the economic crisis. The whole thing was caused by morons who thought that buying houses they couldn't afford was a fantastic idea, coupled with bank managers who thought that giving loans to people who would probably not be able to pay them back was a truly amazing feat of intelligence.

And by people who thought that oil was infinite and wasted it by using their cars to cross streets and buying huge SUVs that guzzle oil like cola.

That's what I meant to say but I couldn't resist taking the piss out of you anyways.

Also, I'd counter your tax by making my own, which taxes people in proportion to their pretentiousness and idiocy. That way, I'd end world hunger and stop the credit crisis just from you alone.

Of course, no recognizes my genius :(

[Old Ape Face]

Of cource that tax is always necessary, it would highlight the dangers of ignorance in the real world, but I'm not your average idiot much assumed by public belief.

People are Idiotic becuase they don't keep an open mind, they don't look out at the real world they live in. They would rather worry about their favorite actor or video game then take the time to know how the world really works.

Yeah I tend to keep my own interests on things that don't benefit me in the real world, take video games for an example, but I do listen and your pathetic use of your time (flaming the hell out of me) is telling me I need to spend more time off this thing called the internet.

As for the gas, I always wondered what will happen when we run out of fossil fuels, whether it would happen in my life time, or if we're still capable of combustion transportation.

[waltsoph3]

As for the gas, I always wondered what will happen when we run out of fossil fuels, whether it would happen in my life time, or if we're still capable of combustion transportation.

Fortunatly there is good news. There are alternative sources in the works like wind, solar,ethonal(sorry if i spelt that wrong.)and more. The tricky thing is timing. Even if we got those into place today it still will be years before there avaible and more affordable. When that happens oil will no longer be a huge problem in price.

[throughhim413]

Fortunatly there is good news. There are alternative sources in the works like wind, solar,ethonal(sorry if i spelt that wrong.)and more.Just give me a minute to unfurl the sails on my wind-powered car. ;)

Sorry, but the amount of energy produced by your alternative sources currently doesn't even come close to powering a vehicle (even a really light one) for a reasonable amount of time.

[waltsoph3]

Just give me a minute to unfurl the sails on my wind-powered car. ;)

Sorry, but the amount of energy produced by your alternative sources currently doesn't even come close to powering a vehicle (even a really light one) for a reasonable amount of time.

lol your right. The wind im refering to was for electricity not for car transportation.

Anyways your also right for the moment theres not many choices when it comes to vehicles.

There are NOW finnaly people working on gas cars made that can give you more miles to the gallon. Unfortunatly too little too late for now at least.

There are ethonal ones but kindda hard to drive em when theres not many or any gas stations that provide it at the moment.

The battery powered cars are cool but unfortunatly there needs to be more work to make em more relaible on the roads.

Anyways im a paitent person but some people unfortunatly may not have that kind of luxery. just saying.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Fortunatly there is good news. There are alternative sources in the works like wind, solar,ethonal(sorry if i spelt that wrong.)and more. The tricky thing is timing. Even if we got those into place today it still will be years before there avaible and more affordable. When that happens oil will no longer be a huge problem in price.

Wind energy is terrible, it looses 35-50% of the energy produced in transmission, that does not even get into variablility in power you get. You will never hear that fact since there is a big lobby group that advocates for fugly windmills in small towns who can't fight costly lawsuits. Same with solar, you may get some people to pay exorbitant prices on solar panels that will never pay back in savings the amount of purchase and instillation. Don't get me started on ethanol.

[Leader Desslock]

Wind energy is terrible, it looses 35-50% of the energy produced in transmission, that does not even get into variablility in power you get. You will never hear that fact since there is a big lobby group that advocates for fugly windmills in small towns who can't fight costly lawsuits.
You also never hear about the climactic problems they cause, but common sense will tell you that the weather energy being pulled out of the atmosphere is energy that's not continuing on its natural path and doing the work it originally did.

Pollen and moisture distribution patters alter, birds get pulverized by the blades... all for a relatively miniscule payback in energy. And that's in addition to the visual eyesore and noise pollution, maintenance, etc.

That small payback could more easily be 'created' by simple conservation, rather than additional wind generation, but you never hear people mention that either.

Same with solar, you may get some people to pay exorbitant prices on solar panels that will never pay back in savings the amount of purchase and instillation.
The only way those tangibly pay off is in the tax break you get for using alternate fuels. Solar's great for places where you simply can't run lines (I know plenty of places without electricity in Maine), but again, conservation's the key. You don't rig your house for Solar, then fire up that 50" Plasma TV with the Home Theater. You use it for basic lighting and some very low-watt appliances (a radio, etc.).

Don't get me started on ethanol.
Coincidently, a lot of cars say the same thing. :lol:

[Bernard_Monsha]

The only way those tangibly pay off is in the tax break you get for using alternate fuels. Solar's great for places where you simply can't run lines (I know plenty of places without electricity in Maine), but again, conservation's the key. You don't rig your house for Solar, then fire up that 50" Plasma TV with the Home Theater. You use it for basic lighting and some very low-watt appliances (a radio, etc.).

Unfortunately I don't think the Ted Kaczynski demographic is a very big market.

[Leader Desslock]

Unfortunately I don't think the Ted Kaczynski demographic is a very big market.
Let's not forget the tree hugging hippie freaks. The Granola & Birkenstock market is very chic, these days.

[Jia]

My dad puts more than a single litre into his car to fill it up... you must have a very very small car...?

Very. :)
I pay $20 a week for my car.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

Wind energy is terrible, it looses 35-50% of the energy produced in transmission, that does not even get into variablility in power you get. You will never hear that fact since there is a big lobby group that advocates for fugly windmills in small towns who can't fight costly lawsuits. Same with solar, you may get some people to pay exorbitant prices on solar panels that will never pay back in savings the amount of purchase and instillation. Don't get me started on ethanol.

Only thing Ehanol has done is drive up the demand for corn, so thats all farmers plant because its a huge cash crop which hurts the soil long term. There was a lawsuit in CA where a guy was suing his neighbor because his trees were blocking his solar panels (there is a CA law against this). Eventually it lead to a new law saying its ok if your trees block solar panels if they were planted first.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Only thing Ehanol has done is drive up the demand for corn, so thats all farmers plant because its a huge cash crop which hurts the soil long term.

It also drives grain prices up, why we may ***** about the price of bread going up people in the third world starve.

[Leader Desslock]

I don't think Ethanol's gonna get adopted very quickly in the US. We've got a couple of stations in town that have it. For every one person I've heard who's raved about how much money they're saving in flex fuel, I hear ten more people complain about how: a) their car doesn't have as much power when they run Ethanol, or b) how they damned near ruined their engine because they tried to put E-85 in a car that's not designed to run it. (duh)

[waltsoph3]

I don't think Ethanol's gonna get adopted very quickly in the US.

I defently agree on this. This will take time.
In the short term its not gonna start off quickly.
In the long term with paitence,less costly production/technoligical methods it will greatly improve our options of energy aviable.

I think what happened here in the US when we started getting into the Ethanol hype as an alternitive choice is we lunged before we looked. Not enough planing.
To me this is like the Playstation 3 supply shortage when it first came to the US. Not enough supply for a great demand.

Also with costs to produce and miles per gallon i agree its not the best money saver at this time. :( Hopefully that can change.

Why else is ethonal a respectable choice if we need it?

It can be done if we truly work on a plan for it. And theres more then one way to make it not just from corn but through sugarcane. Both come from a timly renuable source.

Oil that is created from the ground takes more then 1000's of years to be created from the earth itself.
I know there are also other methods oil can be created that are less timly but some of those take lots of paitence and more money to make.

Take a look at Brazil. Although many say there not an example the US should take...thanks to the help of oil, natural gas and a part of it from ethonal they will/already have declared energy independance.

Heres a long story but if you wanna read it here it is:
http://www.marshall.org/pdf/materials/455.pdf

Also if theres anyone thats living in Brazil that comes on AN's forum i would like to hear from you on this thread.
Let us know what its like with how ethonal effects your everyday life. I'm intrested to know at least.

But here in the US for now its unfortunatly not the best short term answer..but at least we have it aviable now. And that alone is a start in the a energy needed direction.