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MaliceDR
November 19th, 2007, 09:30 AM
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/world/story/0,,2212899,00.html

Kill the cable, kill the cable,' shouted the security guard as he burst through the double doors into the media room at the Intercontinental Hotel in Riyadh, followed by Saudi police. It was too late.

A private meeting of Opec leaders, gathered this weekend in Riyadh for the cartel's third meeting in its 47-year history, had just been broadcast to the world's media for more than half an hour after a technician had mistakenly plugged the TV feed into the wrong socket. The facade of unity that the cartel so carefully cultivates to a world spooked by soaring oil prices was shattered.

Sometimes, such innocent mistakes can have far-reaching economic and political consequences. Commodity and currency traders said this weekend that oil prices would surge again tomorrow - possibly breaking the $101 per barrel record set in the late 1970s - while the already battered dollar would fall further on the back of the unintentional broadcast.

On Friday night, during what the participants thought were private talks, Venezuela's oil minister Venezuela Rafael Ramirez and his Iranian counterpart Gholamhossein Nozari, argued that pricing - and selling - oil using the crippled dollar was damaging the cartel.

They said Opec should formally express its concern about the weakness of the dollar when the cartel makes its official declaration at the close of the summit today. But the Saudis, the world's largest oil producers and de facto head of Opec, vetoed the proposal. Saud al-Faisal, the Saudi foreign minister, warned that even the mere mention to journalists of the fact that leaders were discussing the weak dollar would cause the US currency to plummet.

Unfortunately his words and those of everyone at the meeting were being broadcast via a live television feed to a group of astonished reporters. 'I couldn't believe it,' said one who was there. 'When I realised they didn't know they were being broadcast live, I frantically started taking notes.'

Opec only realised that the leaders' row was being broadcast to the world when the Reuters news agency put out a report of the argument.

The weakness of the dollar is one reason why oil prices are so high, as cartel members seek to compensate for their lower earnings. This means a further drop in the dollar is likely to be accompanied by a rise in oil prices.

Caster13
November 19th, 2007, 09:54 AM
oh f*cking great!!!

Bernard_Monsha
November 19th, 2007, 10:00 AM
If the US would drill off California, Florida and in Alaska the prices would drop. OPEC is rather like DeBeers, diamonds are not particurally uncommon but they control the distribution and create demand. It is the same concept, only DeBeers is not run by insane dictators.

Old Ape Face
November 19th, 2007, 10:03 AM
If the US would drill off California, Florida and in Alaska the prices would drop. OPEC is rather like DeBeers, diamonds are not particurally uncommon but they control the distribution and create demand. It is the same concept, only DeBeers is not run by insane dictators.

Black gold on our soil? Oh that's for the monkeys running the Government. Apparently they're trying to take control of India right now.

GreatNekoKoneko
November 19th, 2007, 10:29 AM
...oh, how awkward. as least they weren't holding some sick sexy party or something...

Animematt55
November 19th, 2007, 10:40 AM
ummm, isnt that illegal?
And it was broadcast to people!
This is total BS people

Bernard_Monsha
November 19th, 2007, 11:23 AM
ummm, isnt that illegal?

Probably so, they don't care. Unlike the US and EU they are closed dictitorial regimes that only honour any previous agreements when it suits them. In the entire history of the US we have never come out unscathed or for the better negotiating with people like those running OPEC. Don't tell that to the current day batch of Ludlow followers though.

Animematt55
November 19th, 2007, 11:24 AM
Probably so, they don't care. Unlike the US and EU they are closed dictitorial regimes that only honour any previous agreements when it suits them. In the entire history of the US we have never come out unscathed or for the better negotiating with people like those running OPEC. Don't tell that to the current day batch of Ludlow followers though.

Well, we got the big guns, lets go bust some heads and take the oil we deserve!

Bernard_Monsha
November 19th, 2007, 11:26 AM
Well, we got the big guns, lets go bust some heads and take the oil we deserve!


Big guns mean nothing when you have no balls.

Soluzar
November 19th, 2007, 11:50 AM
I've been wondering why oil is priced by the dollar for some time now. You could hardly call the dollar a strong currency these days, it's really not what you want to be trading in if you can help it. Unless you're buying American products and services from outside America, in which case... yes, dollars are wonderful.

Animematt55
November 19th, 2007, 11:57 AM
I've been wondering why oil is priced by the dollar for some time now. You could hardly call the dollar a strong currency these days, it's really not what you want to be trading in if you can help it. Unless you're buying American products and services from outside America, in which case... yes, dollars are wonderful.

It is their excuse to price fix so high.
I say we bring out the napalm and white phsospherous bombs and lay waste. Then free oil for all (americans)

Bernard_Monsha
November 19th, 2007, 12:05 PM
I've been wondering why oil is priced by the dollar for some time now. You could hardly call the dollar a strong currency these days, it's really not what you want to be trading in if you can help it. Unless you're buying American products and services from outside America, in which case... yes, dollars are wonderful.

The dollar is weak because of interest rates, they are low so give a low return and people stay away. They need to raise it gradually back up to marketable levels. This will affect credit industries which will have a ripple effect in other industries and even effect foreign companies who provide goods or services for the houseing market and construction in the US. So it is a lose-lose anyway they go.

It is their excuse to price fix so high.
I say we bring out the napalm and white phsospherous bombs and lay waste. Then free oil for all (americans)

I wish. If that were the case we would bein a great position with Iraq pumping oil directly to our tankers. Once again big guns are useless without the balls to use them.

If we really wanted to play hardball we would hold back grain whose price has already skyrocketed due to demand.

Soluzar
November 19th, 2007, 12:15 PM
The dollar is weak because of interest rates, they are low so give a low return and people stay away. They need to raise it gradually back up to marketable levels.
That will also have the effect of discouraging consumer debt which is basically a good thing. The level of consumer debt in both our countries has risen over the course of the last decade to completely unsustainable levels.

Bernard_Monsha
November 19th, 2007, 12:20 PM
That will also have the effect of discouraging consumer debt which is basically a good thing. The level of consumer debt in both our countries has risen over the course of the last decade to completely unsustainable levels.

Well remember the Clinton Boom? The bills are comeing due now :naughty:

The US will have to something about deficit spending, but will not. This is because our politicians are too worried about re-election rather than actualy doing something useful.