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Bernard_Monsha
November 15th, 2007, 09:21 AM
And here I thought they would be all over Frosty the Ho' Man



Santa Claus outraged by 'ho ho ho' ban (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22761386-2,00.html)

By Janet Fyfe-Yeomans and Amanda Grant

November 15, 2007 07:00am


"Ho ho ho" turned to "ha ha ha" for PC reasons
Ho ho ho "could frighten kids, derogatory to women"
Santas rebel

HE is an unlikely revolutionary but this Christmas, Santa is a rebel with a claus.

He is having the last laugh on political correctness - and it's a great big fat belly laugh.

Santas across Sydney are rebelling against attempts to ban their traditional greeting of "ho, ho, ho" in favour of "ha, ha, ha".

Recruitment firm Westaff - which supplies hundreds of Santas across the country - has told its trainees that the "ho ho ho" phrase could frighten children and could even be derogatory to women.

Two Santa hopefuls reportedly quit the course because of the hullabaloo of the ho, ho, ho.

One would-be Santa has told The Daily Telegraph he was taught not to use "ho, ho, ho" because it was too close to the American slang for prostitute. He also quit.

"Gimme a break," Julie Gale, who runs the campaign against sexualising children called Kids Free 2B Kids, said.

"We are talking about little kids who do not understand that "ho, ho, ho" has any other connotation and nor should they.

"Leave Santa alone."

Australian Childhood Foundation chief executive officer Dr Joe Tucci said it was the latest example of political correctness gone mad.

"There is no stronger tradition for children than Santa's ho, ho, ho," Dr Tucci said.

Yesterday department stores David Jones and Myers and the Westfield shopping centre chain moved to reassure children, and their parents, that Santa and his customary greeting was part of Christmas's present as well as Christmas's past.

A David Jones spokeswoman said they had discussed the situation with Westaff and their Santas would not besilenced.

"Senior management have assured us that Santas provided to David Jones have not been censored in any way," the spokeswoman said.

At Myer, where Westaff also train the fat men in red suit, Santa could not stop laughing about the suggestion.

"Myer has not directed our Santas to refrain from using 'ho, ho, ho' and believe the expression is an important Christmas tradition," a spokesman for Myer said.

Westfield's Santas are recruited and trained by RegProm Marketing and they will be "ho, ho, ho-ing" a Westfield spokeswoman said.

"Westfield Santas are known for their friendly and welcoming nature and know how to deliver a real festive 'ho, ho, ho'."

Sydney mother Maybel Lopez said she wanted her daughter Andria, 5, to grow up hearing Santa's "ho, ho, ho" just like she had and she did not realise it had other connotations.

"It's what Santa has been saying his whole life - my whole life. It is just a normal thing really for him to say 'ho, ho, ho'," Ms Lopez said.

Westaff's national Santa co-ordinator Sari Hegarty wrote to stores explaining the company's position.

"Westaff has been a provider of quality caring Santas for over 40 years," Ms Hegarty wrote in an email.

"Part of our advice to our Santas is that they should be mindful of children having their first Santa experience.

"We ask our Santas to try techniques such as lowering their tone of voice and using 'ha, ha, ha' to encourage the children to come forward and meet Santa. We wish you and your family a very merry Christmas."

Westaff national operations manager Greg Jansz said it was "misleading" to say the company had banned Santa's traditional greeting and it was being left up to the discretion of Santa himself.

Old Ape Face
November 15th, 2007, 10:21 AM
Mmm even Santa can't escape the gutter huh?

Sauron
November 15th, 2007, 11:35 AM
Mmm even Santa can't escape the gutter huh?

As long as people are living in it, he'll be there to spread his holiday cheer.

Ikari Warrior
November 15th, 2007, 11:37 AM
Damn it all, why do people get offended at the smallest ****?

MaliceDR
November 15th, 2007, 11:45 AM
Damn it all, why do people get offended at the smallest ****?
Revelations of the humor-void conservative mind.

Talon
November 15th, 2007, 11:48 AM
This makes me want to kill a rich, white, republican, parent.

Bernard_Monsha
November 15th, 2007, 12:04 PM
Revelations of the humor-void conservative mind.

You do know this comes from the other side of the aisle.



This makes me want to kill a rich, white, republican, parent.

So you want to ban Santa laughing, are worried that kids will learn patriachal stereotypes that demean and opress women, and you are willing to kill for it?

Are you a member of the Ellen James Society?

Undrave
November 15th, 2007, 12:05 PM
Santa had it first, whatever the 'ho' turned into afterwards should not impact the original.

It's not like bananas are banned for being phallic symbols -.-

Bernard_Monsha
November 15th, 2007, 12:14 PM
Santa had it first, whatever the 'ho' turned into afterwards should not impact the original.

It's not like bananas are banned for being phallic symbols -.-

Well Saint Nicholas is the patron saint of Children, Sailors, and Prostitutes so you could make a very, very, very, spurious argument.

Talon
November 15th, 2007, 12:27 PM
So you want to ban Santa laughing, are worried that kids will learn patriachal stereotypes that demean and opress women, and you are willing to kill for it?


Eh? No, you got the wrong impression.

goddessofanime
November 15th, 2007, 01:19 PM
Meanwhile, Frosty the snow man is sniffing himself somewhere.

*sings* Frosty the coke man....

Undrave
November 15th, 2007, 01:22 PM
Well Saint Nicholas is the patron saint of Children, Sailors, and Prostitutes so you could make a very, very, very, spurious argument.

'cept that Santa Claus is not STRICLY Saint Nicholas, he's also an amalgamation of various Germanic and Scandinavian stories.

Animematt55
November 15th, 2007, 02:03 PM
Santa Claus came from a Dutch holiday called Sinterklaas. Old guy with a white beard giving gifts to kids, putting your shoes by the fireplace, etc etc.
It is celebrated Dec 5 I believe.
EDIT: got the spelling right

Bernard_Monsha
November 15th, 2007, 02:04 PM
'cept that Santa Claus is not STRICLY Saint Nicholas, he's also an amalgamation of various Germanic and Scandinavian stories.

But Cinter Klaus has no connection with hookers.

^

No the shoes is from St Nick. Cinter Claus was a demon that rode a reindeer on your roof shimmied down the chimmney and recorded your sins for the devil. You could give him a gift of cakes, milk and fruit to bribe him not to write down your sins for the year. That is were the reindeer, coming down the chimney and leaving milk and cookies out comes from.

Evil_Koala
November 15th, 2007, 03:10 PM
I couldn't get past "Santa is a rebel with a claus".

sasami-riyo
November 15th, 2007, 04:09 PM
Wow, I will never cease to be amazed at the amount of sheer idiocy that goes into making sure no body gets offended. When you saw santa for the first time did you think of prostitution? Probably not.

Onigiri
November 15th, 2007, 05:52 PM
Wow, they're trying really hard to find reasons to have a "War on Christmas" this year.

Magami No ER
November 15th, 2007, 06:30 PM
The second I saw this on the local news, I knew it was getting posted here. XD

Old Ape Face
November 15th, 2007, 07:04 PM
Wow, I will never cease to be amazed at the amount of sheer idiocy that goes into making sure no body gets offended. When you saw santa for the first time did you think of prostitution? Probably not.

I thought of it as a funny innuendo but I never took it serious.

Animematt55
November 15th, 2007, 07:05 PM
But Cinter Klaus has no connection with hookers.

^

No the shoes is from St Nick. Cinter Claus was a demon that rode a reindeer on your roof shimmied down the chimmney and recorded your sins for the devil. You could give him a gift of cakes, milk and fruit to bribe him not to write down your sins for the year. That is were the reindeer, coming down the chimney and leaving milk and cookies out comes from.

Well, Wikipedia, and some Dutch friends of mine seem to say that sinderklaas rode a white horse, and had servants called Zwarte Pieten (Black Petes), Black Peter was later described as a devil that Sinderklaas had captured.
Zwarte Pieten or sinderklaas himself would enter the homes through the chimney, and leave gifts, and put candy in their shoes.
You could also leave a carrot for his horse.

Wow, they're trying really hard to find reasons to have a "War on Christmas" this year.
There never has been a war on Christmas. I know plenty of people who do not celelbrate Xmas, and I know a few jewish people too. I would NEVER wish them a "merry Christmas"
Plus, Happy Holidays includes all the holidays, including new Years.

gyakusetsu
November 15th, 2007, 07:50 PM
political over-correctness at it's best...err...worst.

Old Ape Face
November 15th, 2007, 07:59 PM
and they spelled ho wrong tsk tsk tsk

Haro!
November 15th, 2007, 10:03 PM
Christmas... under attack!

Bernard_Monsha
November 16th, 2007, 09:44 AM
Well, Wikipedia, and some Dutch friends of mine seem to say that sinderklaas rode a white horse, and had servants called Zwarte Pieten (Black Petes), Black Peter was later described as a devil that Sinderklaas had captured.
Zwarte Pieten or sinderklaas himself would enter the homes through the chimney, and leave gifts, and put candy in their shoes.
You could also leave a carrot for his horse.

The Belgians/Dutch picked it up from the Scandanavians who carried on the tradition from some pagan winter demon. The Scandanavian Cinter Klaus dates back to the 13th century at least it's the first written references. It probably goes back much much earlier.

Fobb
November 16th, 2007, 10:24 AM
So they haven't attacked the "old man putting kids in his laps and giving them presents" thing?

KatayokuのTenshi
November 16th, 2007, 11:29 AM
'Ho ho ho' is a no, no... no?

Better warn gardeners that they are being misogynistic.

Does anyone else think that a guy in a beard saying "Ha ha ha" is a lot more sinister than one saying "Ho ho ho"?

Edit:Someone ought to warn Plymouth City Council too. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plymouth_Hoe) :uhh:

CrossboneGundam
November 16th, 2007, 03:43 PM
You do know this comes from the other side of the aisle.

There's another side of the aisle in the country where Grand Theft Auto and Half-Life are illegal to own?

Bernard_Monsha
November 16th, 2007, 03:48 PM
There's another side of the aisle in the country where Grand Theft Auto and Half-Life are illegal to own?

That is both sides, namely because they take money from the same groups.

Phantom
November 16th, 2007, 04:19 PM
No one is offended by this its just that the people in charge think that we need to be protected from anything and everything.

MonkeyBoy0314
November 16th, 2007, 04:36 PM
I posted this on another forum, and my quote that went with it was "Just when my faith in humanity had been restored, too" :mad:

Caster13
November 16th, 2007, 05:31 PM
This makes me want to kill a rich, white, republican, parent.

Amen. not everything is evil and bad for children. do i hear the "Kyle's mom is a big fat b*tch." song comming on?

KatayokuのTenshi
November 16th, 2007, 07:10 PM
Wait, this thread is on its third page, and I don't think anyone has mentioned the Grinch yet!

Caster13
November 16th, 2007, 07:15 PM
the Grinch is about grand theft. that will be next. or the idea of Santa having elves is degrading to short people and midgets.*face palm*