Im in ur Navl Exercises....

[MaliceDR]

freakn out ur natoz

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=492804&in_page_id=1811

When the U.S. Navy deploys a battle fleet on exercises, it takes the security of its aircraft carriers very seriously indeed.

At least a dozen warships provide a physical guard while the technical wizardry of the world's only military superpower offers an invisible shield to detect and deter any intruders.

That is the theory. Or, rather, was the theory.

American military chiefs have been left dumbstruck by an undetected Chinese submarine popping up at the heart of a recent Pacific exercise and close to the vast U.S.S. Kitty Hawk - a 1,000ft supercarrier with 4,500 personnel on board.

By the time it surfaced the 160ft Song Class diesel-electric attack submarine is understood to have sailed within viable range for launching torpedoes or missiles at the carrier.

According to senior Nato officials the incident caused consternation in the U.S. Navy.

The Americans had no idea China's fast-growing submarine fleet had reached such a level of sophistication, or that it posed such a threat.

One Nato figure said the effect was "as big a shock as the Russians launching Sputnik" - a reference to the Soviet Union's first orbiting satellite in 1957 which marked the start of the space age.

The incident, which took place in the ocean between southern Japan and Taiwan, is a major embarrassment for the Pentagon.

The lone Chinese vessel slipped past at least a dozen other American warships which were supposed to protect the carrier from hostile aircraft or submarines.

And the rest of the costly defensive screen, which usually includes at least two U.S. submarines, was also apparently unable to detect it.

According to the Nato source, the encounter has forced a serious re-think of American and Nato naval strategy as commanders reconsider the level of threat from potentially hostile Chinese submarines.

It also led to tense diplomatic exchanges, with shaken American diplomats demanding to know why the submarine was "shadowing" the U.S. fleet while Beijing pleaded ignorance and dismissed the affair as coincidence.

Analysts believe Beijing was sending a message to America and the West demonstrating its rapidly-growing military capability to threaten foreign powers which try to interfere in its "backyard".

The People's Liberation Army Navy's submarine fleet includes at least two nuclear-missile launching vessels.

Its 13 Song Class submarines are extremely quiet and difficult to detect when running on electric motors.

Commodore Stephen Saunders, editor of Jane's Fighting Ships, and a former Royal Navy anti-submarine specialist, said the U.S. had paid relatively little attention to this form of warfare since the end of the Cold War.

He said: "It was certainly a wake-up call for the Americans.

"It would tie in with what we see the Chinese trying to do, which appears to be to deter the Americans from interfering or operating in their backyard, particularly in relation to Taiwan."

In January China carried a successful missile test, shooting down a satellite in orbit for the first time.

Discuss.

[Animematt55]

We are screwed

[Vaikyuko]

Guess what, this changes nothing. The US military is pretty much one of, if not the best in the world. We'll have it figured out in less than a year, and countermeasures developed as well.

I really like how they mention the nuclear warheads. So what, buddy? We have them too. Nearly every country that is a "threat" has them.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Blow these ****ers up.

[Animematt55]

Blow these ****ers up.

Yes, then bring the jobs back to America after all their sweatshops are craters!

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Yes, then bring the jobs back to America after all their sweatshops are craters!

Which is just great because I've always wanted to work in a sweatshop in my own town instead of having to go overseas

[{NG}Fidel]

Let them keep those jobs.
America is gearing up for higher end jobs now.
Its a transition period really.
But yeah this changes nothing. It was just kinda stupid on China's part.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...some people were slackin' off, playing guitar hero or WoW or something.

[Caster13]

We are screwed

this is more proof that WW3 is gonna officially start (this war is more like the US vs parts of a religion). the Chinese are making top notch submarines just like the Germans.

not to mention they have an army which is....f*cking huge. we have ABOUT 1 million. theres no invading THAT country.

i need to find a neutral country to go to once every ounce of crap hits the fan.

[Animematt55]

this is more proof that WW3 is gonna officially start (this war is more like the US vs parts of a religion). the Chinese are making top notch submarines just like the Germans.

not to mention they have an army which is....f*cking huge. we have ABOUT 1 million. theres no invading THAT country.

i need to find a neutral country to go to once every ounce of crap hits the fan.

The Neutral countries are the ones that always get taken first. They just kind of roll over and let any invading force walk all over them.
The US has air superiority, which includes defenses against everything from infantry, to tanks.
although submarines have always been a problem for the US. Japan and Germany gave us a real run for our money.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...if WW3 breaks out, i'm moving to Switzerland... with some hookers and booze.

[Animematt55]

...if WW3 breaks out, i'm moving to Switzerland... with some hookers and booze.

And what is Switzerland going to do? Neutral countries are not safe havens in wars. Sometimes they are the best targets as they offer little to no resistance.
I am in a bad part of a country for WWIII. My state has A LOT of nukes, and silos. So it is a main target.
Other than China, my bet is on Iran and other middle east countries. I also fear that Russia may against us this time, since they seem to be friends with our enemies.
I am not afraid of China or any other country, except Russia.

[Mizumi]

China should be feared because those dudes are crazy and when the crazy get powerful things get blown up.
America is strong and only someone as crazy as China would probably try something and have a chance.

[Caster13]

oh yea, most of the worlds population would DEFINITELY die.

and all i got to do is go into a wrecked area and look for the nearest Ferrari dealership.:devil: if i die, i want to die listening to heavy metal going fast as hell.:smokin:

[GreatNekoKoneko]

And what is Switzerland going to do? Neutral countries are not safe havens in wars. Sometimes they are the best targets as they offer little to no resistance.
I am in a bad part of a country for WWIII. My state has A LOT of nukes, and silos. So it is a main target.
Other than China, my bet is on Iran and other middle east countries. I also fear that Russia may against us this time, since they seem to be friends with our enemies.
I am not afraid of China or any other country, except Russia.

...REALLY? NEUTRAL COUNTRY? SWITZERLAND?

doesn't matter, mate. what can i say. gotta love their hoes and booze.

[Caster13]

or much of the worlds otaku population from all over find a bunch of islands somewhere and create a nerd kingdom.

never happen. id be too buzy hiding somewhere.

[Vaikyuko]

The level of sheer political stupidity in this thread is absolutely astounding.

This is a single submarine. It will not spark World War III. Neutral countries, like animematt said, usually get rolled over and absorbed without a fight. China is not a crazy country, they are remarkably shrewd and know that fighting with the US would not end up being profitable for either nation; instead, they would be more likely to create economic situations where we are greatly inconvenienced, than they are to actually fire weaponry at us.

Russia could potentially pose a threat, but it's more than likely that even with a return to the domineering ways of before, they will not ever become so large and insatiably powerful as they were under people like Josef Stalin and Nikita Khrushchev. Putin is a pretty strong leader right now, though. The biggest threats to worry about are Iran, among other nations. A nation like Iran is much more likely to attack another country than is China.

[Haro!]

Remember China is our frenemy.

[Caster13]

my dad has something to say about the whole Osama bit:

HOW THE HELL CAN YOU NOT FIND A 6' 4'' ARAB WHO NEEDS A DIALASIS MACHINE!?

[Ken-Ohki]

The last thing they should ever have done was alerted us to a hole in our security. Now the military will find ways to close that hole. They should simply have kept it to themselves and exploited it when necessary.

[Nakey]

The level of sheer political stupidity in this thread is absolutely astounding.

This is a single submarine. It will not spark World War III. Neutral countries, like animematt said, usually get rolled over and absorbed without a fight. China is not a crazy country, they are remarkably shrewd and know that fighting with the US would not end up being profitable for either nation; instead, they would be more likely to create economic situations where we are greatly inconvenienced, than they are to actually fire weaponry at us.

Russia could potentially pose a threat, but it's more than likely that even with a return to the domineering ways of before, they will not ever become so large and insatiably powerful as they were under people like Josef Stalin and Nikita Khrushchev. Putin is a pretty strong leader right now, though. The biggest threats to worry about are Iran, among other nations. A nation like Iran is much more likely to attack another country than is China.

We're also assuming that it's a country that's going to start the next war...

Give the last major attack on continental US soil wasn't from the military of a country, i wouldn't be worried about a small sub...

[Leader Desslock]

The last thing they should ever have done was alerted us to a hole in our security. Now the military will find ways to close that hole. They should simply have kept it to themselves and exploited it when necessary.
Maybe they have been exploiting it all along, and the latest incident was just a case of a novice captain getting caught while practicing. Maybe it was the only one of a dozen subs in the area at the time.

A funny (if sobering) incident, and a good thread title.

[CrossboneGundam]

Guess what, this changes nothing. The US military is pretty much one of, if not the best in the world. We'll have it figured out in less than a year, and countermeasures developed as well.

Just like we showed those dirt worshipping towel-heads their place in Eye-rack, right? :lol: SHOCK AND AWE! SHOCK AND AWE!

Seriously, in a hypothetical all-out war with nukes off-limits (what with the whole mutually assured destruction and all,) my money would be on the country that has over a billion people, a draft, is the source of the vast majority of the US's manufactured goods, etc.

Not to mention they'll have the backing of Great Cyber-Comrade Putin and the Neo-USSR.

[sasami-riyo]

Wow. That was definitely alarming, but it gives me mixed emotions of iminent doom, and hope in the (assumable) safety of our country. At least parts of it.

[fujyoshi]

or much of the worlds otaku population from all over find a bunch of islands somewhere and create a nerd kingdom.

never happen. id be too buzy hiding somewhere.

oh phail man where's your pride O_O

[Vaikyuko]

Just like we showed those dirt worshipping towel-heads their place in Eye-rack, right? :lol: SHOCK AND AWE! SHOCK AND AWE!

Seriously, in a hypothetical all-out war with nukes off-limits (what with the whole mutually assured destruction and all,) my money would be on the country that has over a billion people, a draft, is the source of the vast majority of the US's manufactured goods, etc.

Not to mention they'll have the backing of Great Cyber-Comrade Putin and the Neo-USSR.

Because I'm as right wing Bush-loving, Bible thumping nutcase as you can get, amirite?

gb2/flamebait/, please.

[JFaulkner]

The level of sheer political stupidity in this thread is absolutely astounding.
I feel your pain brother.

[Trefellin]

There's probably a lot of :redface: in the U.S. Navy right now.

I don't think nuclear war is a possibility because of the whole mutual destruction thing. Nobody wants nuclear weapons so they can use them. They want them so they can sit at the nuclear bully table, right?

[MaliceDR]

There's probably a lot of :redface: in the U.S. Navy right now.

I don't think nuclear war is a possibility because of the whole mutual destruction thing. Nobody wants nuclear weapons so they can use them. They want them so they can sit at the nuclear bully table, right?
You seem to overlook one simple fact: people are dumb. Somebody could see a potential threat and decide to end it easily with the push of a button. Near the end of the first Gulf War for example, Bush Senior decided against invading Iraq, foreseeing a very similar situation to what we are in now.

[Animematt55]

Just like we showed those dirt worshipping towel-heads their place in Eye-rack, right? :lol: SHOCK AND AWE! SHOCK AND AWE!

Seriously, in a hypothetical all-out war with nukes off-limits (what with the whole mutually assured destruction and all,) my money would be on the country that has over a billion people, a draft, is the source of the vast majority of the US's manufactured goods, etc.

Not to mention they'll have the backing of Great Cyber-Comrade Putin and the Neo-USSR.

Exactly like in Iraq. The insurgents can barely punch through our troops armor with their 50 year old rifles, and cheap ammunition.

I wouldn't be too worried about number of people. I mean Germany lasted against Russia for quite a while, and Russia suffer many times more losses than them on the Eastern Front. Granted Germany still lost though.
The most determined people will probably win, The Soviets had basially civilians out there that they handed cheap (but excellent rifles) to, with a bit of training.
The US has excellently trained troops, a superb Air Force and Navy (granted with what has happened). I am not too worried about some peasants with rifle they found in the dirt.

[earsofdoom]

And now the US has more excuses to sink even more money into the military.

[Animematt55]

And now the US has more excuses to sink even more money into the military.

true =/
*filler* But what are ya going to do? It is either money to the military, or money to illegal immigrants these days it seems.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

It's time to enlist illegial immigrants into the military

[Animematt55]

It's time to enlist illegal immigrants into the military

Illegal immigrants as front line troops. If they survive, they get citizenship, sounds fair to me.

[Evil_Koala]

Y'all are pussies, I take China on by myself. Imma **** Mao's couch.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

Y'all are pussies, I take China on by myself. Imma **** Mao's couch.

...he shoulda never given you guys money.

[Tidusauron12]

Y'all are pussies, I take China on by myself. Imma **** Mao's couch.

Man, I don't what would satisfy me more:

A Youtube video of you getting the crap beat back up through your mouth...

OR

A perma-ban.

Both would be just golly. Seriously, your posts are starting to piss me off, each in a very small way... but hey, each penny counts.

[Evil_Koala]

Man, I don't what would satisfy me more:

A Youtube video of you getting the crap beat back up through your mouth...

OR

A perma-ban.

Both would be just golly. Seriously, your posts are starting to piss me off, each in a very small way... but hey, each penny counts.

Man, I don't know what would satisfy me more:

Having your hair

OR

A gold desert eagle on COD4 =/

Both would be just golly.

[Tidusauron12]

Man, I don't know what would satisfy me more:

Having your hair

OR

A gold desert eagle on COD4 =/

Both would be just golly.

Man, it's hard to get mad at you, y'know? :lol:

[Dorktron2000]

This happened in 2006, right now my calender says its 2007.

Link: http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/01/red_china_red_lines.asp

[tenshi_a]

The Chinese submarine teleported there from the distant future. Everything was fine until they handed over this future technology over to the current Chinese army.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Maybe they have been exploiting it all along, and the latest incident was just a case of a novice captain getting caught while practicing. Maybe it was the only one of a dozen subs in the area at the time.

A funny (if sobering) incident, and a good thread title.

That and the Kittyhawk is the oldest active ship in the Navy, commisioned in 1960. It is even older than Desslock. ;)


This is just about right too, considering the Peoples Liberation Army is loaded with surplus Soviet equipment from the 1970's they have a full decade on the Kittyhawk.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

This is just about right too, considering the Peoples Liberation Army is loaded with surplus Soviet equipment from the 1970's they have a full decade on the Kittyhawk.

Their women ain't half bad either.

This thread is now about Gong Li doing naval exercises.

[Caster13]

Man, I don't what would satisfy me more:

A Youtube video of you getting the crap beat back up through your mouth...

OR

A perma-ban.

Both would be just golly. Seriously, your posts are starting to piss me off, each in a very small way... but hey, each penny counts.

perma-ban. im hoping he does something that i cant say right now cause then he would avoid doing it so he wouldnt get banned.