I'd Expect This in the US...

[MaliceDR]

... but it appears there are idiots everywhere. I bring you this story from Britain.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1022757_cool_cash_card_confusion

A LOTTERY scratchcard has been withdrawn from sale by Camelot - because players couldn't understand it.

The Cool Cash game - launched on Monday - was taken out of shops yesterday after some players failed to grasp whether or not they had won.

To qualify for a prize, users had to scratch away a window to reveal a temperature lower than the figure displayed on each card. As the game had a winter theme, the temperature was usually below freezing.

But the concept of comparing negative numbers proved too difficult for some Camelot received dozens of complaints on the first day from players who could not understand how, for example, -5 is higher than -6.

Tina Farrell, from Levenshulme, called Camelot after failing to win with several cards.

The 23-year-old, who said she had left school without a maths GCSE, said: "On one of my cards it said I had to find temperatures lower than -8. The numbers I uncovered were -6 and -7 so I thought I had won, and so did the woman in the shop. But when she scanned the card the machine said I hadn't.

"I phoned Camelot and they fobbed me off with some story that -6 is higher - not lower - than -8 but I'm not having it.

"I think Camelot are giving people the wrong impression - the card doesn't say to look for a colder or warmer temperature, it says to look for a higher or lower number. Six is a lower number than 8. Imagine how many people have been misled."

A Camelot spokeswoman said the game was withdrawn after reports that some players had not understood the concept.

She said: "The instructions for playing the Cool Cash scratchcard are clear - and are printed on each individual card and in the game procedures available at each retailer. However, because of the potential for player confusion we have decided to withdraw the game."

More than 15m adults in Britain have poor numeracy - the equivalent of a G or below at GCSE maths

Almost three times as many UK adults (15.1m) have poor numeracy - the equivalent of a G or below at GCSE maths - than with poor literacy skills, according to the government's Skills for Life survey.

Peter Hall, of the Association of Teachers of Mathematics, said: "The concept of minus numbers is something we would cover with 11 or 12 year olds, and we would expect them to have come across it before.

"The concept of smaller numbers is something that some people do seem to struggle with. Seven is clearly smaller than eight, so they focus on that and don't really see the minus sign. There is also a subtle difference in language between smaller - or lower - and colder. The number zero feels lower.

"There have always been some people who find numbers and basic mathematics difficult. Maybe in the past it was less noticeable because people could find jobs they could excel in without having qualifications in maths."

L2Math

[Soluzar]

Tina Farrell, from Levenshulme, called Camelot after failing to win with several cards.

The 23-year-old, who said she had left school without a maths GCSE, said: "On one of my cards it said I had to find temperatures lower than -8. The numbers I uncovered were -6 and -7 so I thought I had won, and so did the woman in the shop. But when she scanned the card the machine said I hadn't.

"I phoned Camelot and they fobbed me off with some story that -6 is higher - not lower - than -8 but I'm not having it.

"I think Camelot are giving people the wrong impression - the card doesn't say to look for a colder or warmer temperature, it says to look for a higher or lower number. Six is a lower number than 8. Imagine how many people have been misled."

I'm not British. Really. <_<

[surreptitiously burns passport]

[GreatNekoKoneko]

... that's a whole new level of wow, right there.

[MaliceDR]

Keep in mind not many of the more intelligent people play the lottery. No, we play the big-boy's casino: the stock market.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Keep in mind not many of the more intelligent people play the lottery. No, we play the big-boy's casino: the stock market.

Ah, So your one of the people who sits in the 7-11 holding up the line while you scratch your lottery card with a peice of Dutch Boy brillo.

[Animematt55]

Wow....
Poor Soluzar, being reported on like that.

[tenshi_a]

There are lots of very stupid people in this country. There are people who lose their house because they take out a loan looking for the highest APR%. Thinking about it... I wonder if she's tried this argument with her bank.

"No, no! I've got loads of money here! It's been that way since one day the numbers suddenly got written in red! And the more I spend the more money I have! If I spend more, the numbers just get bigger!"

Americans only think we're all smart because we have cool accents. We have plenty of stupid people here, too.

[Old Ape Face]

Hmm integers don't cross cultural boundries I supose.

[MaliceDR]

Ah, So your one of the people who sits in the 7-11 holding up the line while you scratch your lottery card with a peice of Dutch Boy brillo.
Those kinds of people piss me off; I just want to pay for my spicy Big Bite and leave, damnit!

[Samurai Drifter]

What do you mean, you'd expect this from the US? Of course there are idiots everywhere. This is what the UK gets for always singling out the more ignorant members of US society and projecting it on all of us.

[Mr.Crazy]

Very true, the world does depict the American people to be more stupid than other people from different nations. Some people even think the Japanes people are smarter because their school systems are highly more disciplined and harder to knock through, but i also heard that the Japanese tend to be more perverted and more horny because of the high amount of sexual assaults. They even had to split a transit system into female and male transport routes so they can lower the chance of sexual assaults. In reality, everyone is bloody horny, different cultures and laws and economy standards will make certain statistics a little more different than another countrys statistics.

[Old Ape Face]

Very true, the world does depict the American people to be more stupid than other people from different nations. Some people even think the Japanes people are smarter because their school systems are highly more disciplined and harder to knock through, but i also heard that the Japanese tend to be more perverted and more horny because of the high amount of sexual assaults. They even had to split a transit system into female and male transport routes so they can lower the chance of sexual assaults. In reality, everyone is bloody horny, different cultures and laws and economy standards will make certain statistics a little more different than another countrys statistics.

From what I recall from my Chinese Philosophy class, Asian students would prefer to attend American schools because they offer the freedom to express individuality rather then their Hard Knock, disciplinary strict rules in Japan.

The Idea that Japanese are more sexually oriented is a cultural difference from The United State, publicly at least. I see more and more strict policies about sexual activity in the public view, but at the same time sexuality is becoming an ever growing and popular marketing plot. I myself have never been to Japan, but from Manga books, and Anime, as well as my uncle who is Japanese, who has tolled me that Anime has a lot of popularity in the adults, much like live action pornography is seen here, I would not be surprised if it was more publicly attracted there.

[YuriFanboy]

There are stupid people everywhere. It's as simple as that. It's really funny how this person still doesn't believe that she lost. Some people just amaze me:lol:

[Victory]

see their lottery would've worked with kelvins

[Old Ape Face]

if you think about it, would that sort of lottery scheme actually work in the US? I'm curious. a lot of people on this forum think it's silly to ignore the minus sign on an Integer but this is only a very small portion of the world. I wonder if people would understand it in other countries.

[tenshi_a]

Hmm integers don't cross cultural boundries I supose.

Er, NO. She's supposed to know this kind of stuff since about primary school; probably about the age of 6 or something. She's just not quite understood how numbers work, all this time. And neither has the shop assistant. Either that or the shop assistant gave up on her arguing and agreed to scan the ticket.

It's not cultural, mathematics is pretty standard worldwide, it's not like there are countries where the minus sign doesn't exist...

[wonders who it was on this forum who thought that New Zealand was somewhere near Greenland the other week...]

[Old Ape Face]

Er, NO. She's supposed to know this kind of stuff since about primary school; probably about the age of 6 or something. She's just not quite understood how numbers work, all this time. And neither has the shop assistant. Either that or the shop assistant gave up on her arguing and agreed to scan the ticket.

It's not cultural, mathematics is pretty standard worldwide, it's not like there are countries where the minus sign doesn't exist...

[wonders who it was on this forum who thought that New Zealand was somewhere near Greenland the other week...]

Which is the point of my joke :P

And sorry if I don't read the globe on a daily basis, things don't become second nature by just lying around you know <_<

[blackknight]

Forget the fact that I'm not British, it's stories like this that make me ashamed to be human.

[Undrave]

-.- and from the article it feels like she STILL doesn't get how -8 is lower than -7.

[Jae Hoon]

Lol at people just now people figuring out that people around the world are stupid.

[Animematt55]

Lol at people just now people figuring out that people around the world are stupid.
Well remember. It is the 'cool' thing for all the other countries to point and laugh at America saying "lol stupid". They never realize they are just as stupid.
Infact, i find the thread title insulting.

[Rain]

This is just another case of "stupidity knows no bounds."

Which is the point of my joke :P

And sorry if I don't read the globe on a daily basis, things don't become second nature by just lying around you know <_<

Common knowledge isn't "second nature," per se, but if you thought about it, you'd realize that the notion that New Zealand is located near Greenland is pretty damn ludicrous.

P.S. I don't "read the globe on a daily basis," and I know where New Zealand is located, so your not reading newspapers is no excuse.

[Old Ape Face]

Lol at people just now people figuring out that people around the world are stupid.

Dose thinking New Zealand is near Greenland prove this theory? Maybe I just don't pay much attention to things. Does that make me incompetent for my outcome on other ideas? Does this mean I'll never graduate? OMG I don't know where New Zealand is. My resume is gonna crash because I thought New Zealand was near Greenland. :O

[Tuna]

So...if the weather report says that it is -50 outside, these people are going to go out in golf shirts?

If -8 is warmer than -7...at what number do you get to freezing? -57? -346? -1001?

How can they think that way? Personally, I believe that they must be less than sober, or damaged in some significant way...or think they're "sly" and were just trying to "beat the system" by whining...
:rolleyes:

[Evil_Koala]

I'm sick of you people and your not so witty titles.

GREAT, STUPID MAN, LOL US JOKE, LOL STUPID MAN. AHA I AM SUPERIOR TO THESE BUFFOONS. PRETENTIOUSPRETENTIOUSNAGNAGNARCISSISM.

[Rain]

Dose thinking New Zealand is near Greenland prove this theory? Maybe I just don't pay much attention to things. Does that make me incompetent for my outcome on other ideas? Does this mean I'll never graduate? OMG I don't know where New Zealand is. My resume is gonna crash because I thought New Zealand was near Greenland. :O

No, that makes you ignorant, and ignorant people are stupid.

[Alice Catherine]

I'm sick of you people and your not so witty titles.

GREAT, STUPID MAN, LOL US JOKE, LOL STUPID MAN. AHA I AM SUPERIOR TO THESE BUFFOONS. PRETENTIOUSPRETENTIOUSNAGNAGNARCISSISM.


/ignorance

[KatayokuのTenshi]

I'm not British. Really. <_<

[surreptitiously burns passport]

*adds to the passport pyre*


If -8 is warmer than -7...at what number do you get to freezing? -57? -346? -1001?

0

[tenshi_a]

*adds to the passport pyre*
I've been pretending not to be British since September (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6218358&postcount=19). Funny how that's everyone's first reaction, isn't it?

[displays nationalistic lack of pride]

[KatayokuのTenshi]

I've been pretending not to be British since September (http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6218358&postcount=19). Funny how that's everyone's first reaction, isn't it?

[displays nationalistic lack of pride]

"Everyone's first reaction" is to burn their passport? :unsure: I never use the thing anyway...

Better get out the monocles if we want to keep fooling the Americans. Good thing they've never heard of Vicky Pollard (damn 'her')
/ramble

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I don't know where new zeland is because I don't give a ****. All they ever did was make a badass king kong movie and some ****** *** **** lord of the rings movies

[fujyoshi]

good thing I've never been there '-'

[KatayokuのTenshi]

I bet none of you know where Zealand is. *prepares to be proven wrong*

[tenshi_a]

"Everyone's first reaction" is to burn their passport? :unsure:
No, the instinctive reaction of any decent British citizen, when confronted by embarrassing British people on an international level, is to discard their British identity.

You know why Canada has such a good international reputation? It's because all those well-behaved polite tourists going round the world in Canadian hockey shirts are actually intensely embarrassed English people, desperately pretending not to be associated with the noisy drunken louts on the next table. :P

[Undrave]

New-Zealand is East of Australia. It's a fairly easy country to remember the location of -.-

No, the instinctive reaction of any decent British citizen, when confronted by embarrassing British people on an international level, is to discard their British identity.

You know why Canada has such a good international reputation? It's because all those well-behaved polite tourists going round the world in Canadian hockey shirts are actually intensely embarrassed English people, desperately pretending not to be associated with the noisy drunken louts on the next table. :P

Hahaha...not just British... polite Americans too. Just keep giving us the cred of your polite people and we won't call you on it XD

Want a flag? It's red and white!

[Victory]

ah yes, good ole red, [beep] and white

[Old Ape Face]

No, that makes you ignorant, and ignorant people are stupid.

everyone's ignorant. <_<

and Ignorance mean uneducated, I simply didn't know the location of New Zealand because I never looked into it. I guess I confused New Foundland for New Zealand, my mistake.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

No, the instinctive reaction of any decent British citizen, when confronted by embarrassing British people on an international level, is to discard their British identity.

You know why Canada has such a good international reputation? It's because all those well-behaved polite tourists going round the world in Canadian hockey shirts are actually intensely embarrassed English people, desperately pretending not to be associated with the noisy drunken louts on the next table. :P

I was just joking... For some reason I just couldn't resist that little bit of plosivity... passport pyre. What? -_-;

Oh... the only time I've felt embaresed abroad was when I went to France years ago and could remember none of my Frnech lessons although that didn't stop me being amused at my mother's mispronunciation of "S'il vous plait".

It was then that I decided that we weren't being taught how to speak French but rather to pass exams. (Nothing whatsoever to do with me being a complete and utter moron, absolutely nothing. :uhh: ).

[Leader Desslock]

I bet none of you know where Zealand is. *prepares to be proven wrong*
I'll confess that I didn't. So I asked a co-worker from New Zealand where "old Zealand" was. He'd worked in the newspaper industry for 25+ years. He stopped for a moment, thought about it, and finally admitted, "Y'know, I have no idea." So we looked it up.

Oh... the only time I've felt embaresed abroad...
The only thing that's ever embarassed me abroad is the behaviour of my fellow Americans. I stopped admitting I was American even before Bush was elected, 9/11... any of that. I tell people I'm from Newfoundland. Most people give me the same blank stare that my coworker gave me when I asked him where Zealand was, then the question is dropped.

[Old Ape Face]

In my opinion I'm still proud of being an American, though my reasons would make me look more like a fool than I'd like, so I wont express my opinions about it.

[JoeStrummer]

Haha, hey hey, Newfoundland kicks ***. I also found this thread stupid, that someone would think only an American could be ignorant.

[Old Ape Face]

It really surprises me to see so many people around the world to identify America as something ignorant. Some of the smartest people in the world have come from America, and at the same time some of the dumbest people in the world are rich, famous and the only thing that gets them by is a little acting. Then there are the middle people, which make up most of this country's population, I'm talking about the average citizen. The people who work day in day out without any notification of what people think about them initially through the internet. I have been trying to pry myself away from the internet for a number of reasons, Mainly because I'm tired of the way people talk about others they've never, and will never see in their lives. This thread is a perfect example.

[Leader Desslock]

It really surprises me to see so many people around the world to identify America as something ignorant.
Travel abroad. Watch Americans. Tell me you get any other impression.

I make one mistake and people give me the impression that I'm the dumbest person alive.
I've been trying to avoid making it personal, here, but if you're truly dumbfounded about why you're occasionally perceived as "ignorant" online, I can point to two factors:

1) Your spelling and grammar are not the best. They're below what I would consider to be the average level of ability on this forum. This is no indicator of intelligence whatsoever, but since this is a text-based communication medium, you know you're gonna be judged by them. Mooserocka was judged by his ability to communicate in text as well. Eventually, he just had to shrug it off, 'cause he wasn't going to get any better. You're gonna have to do the same thing.

2) You have, at various times in the past, made statements which indicate a lack of critical thinking (or perhaps a sort of naivete) on your part. There are things that you have been told that you simply repeat as though they're true, without first thinking them through and seeing if they're consistent with common sense or prior knowledge.

A very good (and harmless) example would be the time you insisted to me that Cape Cod had no schools, and that all the kids on the Cape had to go to school on the mainland every day. When I tried to tell you otherwise (having lived there), you insisted this was the case, as your Aunt had been there, so she'd certainly know, right? I had to provide links to local HS websites and population statistics before you believed me.

People get bombarded by information every day. Some of the information comes from dependable sources, some doesn't. When a new bit of data arrives, most folks check it against what they already know. If the new data isn't consistent with their prior knowledge, they question the data, their understanding, the source and so on, to ascertain the truth of the knowledge. That's critical thinking, and people who fail to do this are often regarded as gullible or ignorant.

Does that mean you're gullible or ignorant? No, it just means that you have occasionally demonstrated traits that are normally associated with gullible or ignorant people. So you shouldn't be surprised when people apply that stereotype to you, especially when you also demonstrate other traits (spelling and grammar) that match the stereotype.*

I'm not trying to judge you here. Seriously. You're you, and I haven't given the matter much thought beyond that. I'm merely trying to explain to you how some folks are forming their perception of you on this forum, since you appear to be puzzled by it. Ignore this as you see fit.

To bring this post back on-topic, international travellers do the same thing. Americans abroad often demonstrate traits normally associated with ignorance (i.e.: believing English can be understood by non-English speakers simply by speaking louder to them), so we stereotype is often applied to us.


* We're all judged in this way, of course. I demonstrate the traits normally associate with being a pompous ***, so people assume I'm a pompous ***. Of course, in my case they hapen to be right, but still - they shouldn't assume I'm a pompous *** without getting to know me first...

[fujyoshi]

It really surprises me to see so many people around the world to identify America as something ignorant.

O_O where have you been all this time I actually live in america and I'm saying this

[Old Ape Face]

O_O where have you been all this time I actually live in america and I'm saying this

um I've been at the Barrens (wow reference)

[fujyoshi]

my point is how is it suprising that the rest 'a the world thinks that way about us? Trust me its really not.

[Chousho]

* I demonstrate the traits normally associate with being a pompous ***, so people assume I'm a pompous ***. Of course, in my case they happen to be right, but still - they shouldn't assume I'm a pompous *** without getting to know me first...
A pompous *** with a heart of gold. I wanna live, I wanna give~ Keep me searchin'

[Old Ape Face]

my point is how is it suprising that the rest 'a the world thinks that way about us? Trust me its really not.

Uh, let me get back to you on that :unsure: *knocks over a statue and runs away*

[fujyoshi]

ok well if you think it's suprising that the world thinks that way go ahead I'm not gonna try to change your opinion.

[Old Ape Face]

ok well if you think it's suprising that the world thinks that way go ahead I'm not gonna try to change your opinion.

No I really have no idea what to say :unsure: >_<

[JFaulkner]

1) Your spelling and grammar are not the best. They're below what I would consider to be the average level of ability on this forum. This is no indicator of intelligence whatsoever, but since this is a text-based communication medium, you know you're gonna be judged by them. Mooserocka was judged by his ability to communicate in text as well. Eventually, he just had to shrug it off, 'cause he wasn't going to get any better. You're gonna have to do the same thing.

2) You have, at various times in the past, made statements which indicate a lack of critical thinking (or perhaps a sort of naivete) on your part. There are things that you have been told that you simply repeat as though they're true, without first thinking them through and seeing if they're consistent with common sense or prior knowledge.

Yukimura-Sanada, are you gonna take this lying down? This guy has insulted your personal integrity, no, your inner being, in full view of the anonymous public. Come on, show us what you're made of!

[Bernard_Monsha]

Travel abroad. Watch Americans. Tell me you get any other impression.


I have and have yet to run into the fabled "Ugly" Amercian. I have seen lots of Ugly Frenchman, Saudis, and Germans. Out of those it was maybe 1% of the total I've met (Maybe about 20% for the Saudis). Of course no one would pay much attention to a book entitled The Ugly French or the Ugly Andorrans.

People who are scared to travel because people hate Americans are stupid. I have never run into anything of the sort. If anything people warmed up quite a bit more when they found out I was not British, French, or Dutch. Most of the old colonies are not fond of their former colonizers.

[JFaulkner]

People who are scared to travel because people hate Americans are stupid. I have never run into anything of the sort. If anything people warmed up quite a bit more when they found out I was not British, French, or Dutch. Most of the old colonies are not fond of their former colonizers.
Try going to Iraq.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Try going to Iraq.

I've been. How about you?

[JFaulkner]

I've been. How about you?
So everyone was OK with the Americans there then?

[fujyoshi]

No I really have no idea what to say :unsure: >_<

and your gonna be more clueless because I'm not gonna explain it to you

[Bernard_Monsha]

So everyone was OK with the Americans there then?

Not the visiting arabs but they did not like anyone. Most people waved and aksed for cigarettes.



and your gonna be more clueless because I'm not gonna explain it to you

This should be in the funny quotes thread. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Old Ape Face]

Yukimura-Sanada, are you gonna take this lying down? This guy has insulted your personal integrity, no, your inner being, in full view of the anonymous public. Come on, show us what you're made of!

*throes a key bored at Faulkner* that's what I'm made of, and even though it upsets me about my integrity, he is right... sadly. Hence why I'm trying to pry myself from the internet, there is too much static in learning on the internet, and I find that meeting things face to face is a true death bringer to ignorance.

[JFaulkner]

, and even though it upsets me about my integrity, he is right... sadly. Hence why I'm trying to pry myself from the internet, there is too much static in learning on the internet, and I find that meeting things face to face is a true death bringer to ignorance.
Whoa,

Hold on a minute.

Somebody just humiliated you by not only ripping apart every fibre of your psyche, but also tried to make you out to be an ignorant, poorly-schooled, mentally-challenged, gullible bumpkin.

And you say with resignation that he is RIGHT!!

I'm sorry, but you've got to come right back at him, like me or any other self-respecting Internet messageboard poster would. Somebody tries to browbeat you in a forum? Give them back what they dished out and more! Somebody tries to spread lies about you? Hell, spread lies about them as well and accuse them of whatever you can think of!

Go on, you know it makes sense; you have my support!

*throes a key bored at Faulkner* that's what I'm made of
Good, but you've just got to channel this aggression into the perpetrator, the cause of the angst ..... Mr. Desslock.

(Note: nothing against Leader Desslock. No offence intended, just telling it like it is. Final choice up to Yukimura-Sanada).

[Old Ape Face]

I'm not a fighter I'm a peace maker, and I really don't see the need to shell out any aggression over dully important topics like these. Some people can't simply change over night, some people never can change. I can't see a way out of my problems, so why should I make it an issue for people on the internet to Go further into discussion? Like I said people are afraid of people, I admit there's nothing I can do to resolve myself here.

Someone made a good point to me once, "There is only one person I can't run away from, and that person is myself." Desslock is right, the internet is a place for text based communication, I've tried for as long as I've been here to correct my typing, I have improved slightly, but not to the expectations of what some of the people here are looking for. If they don't like it, then so be it, I just wont post as much anymore.

[Caster13]

i know why your not fighting back. its because its very rare for ANYONE to win an arguement with Desslock. THATS why your not trying. smart move, otherwise it will lead to multiple pages of flamming.

[Old Ape Face]

i know why your not fighting back. its because its very rare for ANYONE to win an arguement with Desslock. THATS why your not trying. smart move, otherwise it will lead to multiple pages of flamming.

Oh I treat Desslock like my old man, both can hold strongly winning arguments.

[Leader Desslock]

(Note: nothing against Leader Desslock. No offence intended, just telling it like it is. Final choice up to Yukimura-Sanada).
No offense taken. I think he's got every right to kick my *** at the moment.

I've tried for as long as I've been here to correct my typing, I have improved slightly, but not to the expectations of what some of the people here are looking for. If they don't like it, then so be it, I just wont post as much anymore.
You're right. You've improved. But whether you had or not, I still wouldn't let what anyone thinks dissuade you from posting. Grammar nazis are just part of the fabric of the internet.

[JFaulkner]

I'm not a fighter I'm a peace maker, and I really don't see the need to shell out any aggression over dully important topics like these. Some people can't simply change over night, some people never can change. I can't see a way out of my problems, so why should I make it an issue for people on the internet to Go further into discussion? Like I said people are afraid of people, I admit there's nothing I can do to resolve myself here.

Someone made a good point to me once, "There is only one person I can't run away from, and that person is myself." Desslock is right, the internet is a place for text based communication, I've tried for as long as I've been here to correct my typing, I have improved slightly, but not to the expectations of what some of the people here are looking for. If they don't like it, then so be it, I just wont post as much anymore.

No offense taken. I think he's got every right to kick my *** at the moment.

This is disappointing and is not part of the script. The script is that Yukimura-Sanada becomes impassioned with red mist and comes all guns blazing at Leader Desslock, who in turn flips a switch and comes hurtling back at Yukimura-Sanada. Meanwhile, I would sit here, behind my computer, and watch with interest.

Yukimura-Sanada, my take on this: don't take interactions over the Internet as forming the basis for your world philosophy. Also, people off the Internet are not automatically any more forgiving.

[eyes_still_see]

Travel abroad. Watch Americans. Tell me you get any other impression.

Well, I tend to find them quite polite. But then they're mainly being polite in English. They're fun to mess with. My friend and I convinced a few drunk ones in Sorrento that we sang "God Save The Queen" before meals, and said "Tally-ho" colloquially, instead of goodbye. :P Quality times.

[eyes_still_see]

A pompous *** with a heart of gold. I wanna live, I wanna give~ Keep me searchin'

Nice work. :D

[Old Ape Face]

You're right. You've improved. But whether you had or not, I still wouldn't let what anyone thinks dissuade you from posting. Grammar nazis are just part of the fabric of the internet.

Which was the meaning of that Lecture on "Normal" people versus us social outcasts, if they rather complain about how bad my typing is then by all means complain, but don't think I'll be around to hear it. The internet is full of people like this, and after taking a few days away from the internet, I've found that the grass is definitely greener on that side of the fence. I have a working job (one that needs a second) and I'm trying to get myself through college. In the long run this internet will only make me more irritable.

[{NG}Fidel]

I have lived in other countries and I must say that I don’t find America to be this haven of ignorance that people portray it to be. Fact is in Switzerland I saw my fair share of stupidly ignorant people. Coming from Europe, Japan, Russia, or any other nationality/region does not make you immune to ignorance. Or even lower your chances of being an idiot. I think it’s ignorant and immature to assume that Americans are of a lesser intelligence on a whole than other countries. The only areas of the world in which I have much of a reason to believe intelligence to be a problem are parts of Africa and the Middle East. Those areas have issues with intelligence but none that I would point out to make fun of because the issues they have there are terrible and often lead to tragedy. My last bit is this, Bernard_Monsha When I visited France for a good two months I must say I did visit the occasional ignorant hating on Americans Frenchman. This was before 9/11 and freedom fries and all that other ********. Regardless I would never judge a French person from what certain media outlets in there country portray of their ideas. I treat all people as individuals and I recognize their nationality and heritage but I refuse to judge them via it.

[fujyoshi]

This should be in the funny quotes thread. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

if I open my mouth it'll probably be more funny '-'

[Ken-Ohki]

I like when my supervisor asked me to name a number between 1 and 10 and I chose pi. He told me it wasn't a number between 1 and 10, poor confused soul.

[JFaulkner]

I think it’s ignorant and immature to assume that Americans are of a lesser intelligence on a whole than other countries. The only areas of the world in which I have much of a reason to believe intelligence to be a problem are parts of Africa and the Middle East. Those areas have issues with intelligence but none that I would point out to make fun of because the issues they have there are terrible and often lead to tragedy.
You jump on your high horse about people who generalize about Americans, than you go generalizing about parts of Africa and the Middle East. Are you talking about intelligence of the general populace or the leaders, or what? And what do you mean by intelligence: reading books, practical knowledge, innate learning capacity, or what? What about factors like famine, lack of education opportunities, culture, civil wars, corrupt leaders etc., or are you just subsuming all this under your generalized banner of "intelligence" and then citing that as a "problem" (what problem?).

What the hell are you talking about!?

[Vaikyuko]

Every nation has its stupid people. I still don't get where America = the stupid country, though. Been traveling around nearly my entire (albeit short, w/e) life, and I've yet to see any real evidence that Americans are any dumber than any other nationality.

[{NG}Fidel]

Africa and the Middle East, for the most part, have terrible education systems. Yes I know they are not countries but the two regions as a single entity suffer from either poor education, no education, or corrupt education. In which certain government's filters most of the information and or alter it. Select countries in the two regions do not suffer as much from the aforementioned scenarios. I did not jump on a high horse against those who generalize Americans. I am against the generalization of every nationality. The difference between regions like Europe or North America is pretty massive when compared to regions like Africa and the Middle East. Most of every part of Europe and all of North America have pretty standardized and honest school systems. People make fun of the select group of idiots within Europe and North America and then apply it to the other people within the nation/regions. When compared to Africa and the Middle East the people of those two regions are left with an unfair disadvantage. One I bring up not to joke about but to shine some light on for the sake of spreading the word. For the most part they do not even have the ability to get a proper education. They are deprived of it as if it were a luxury to receive. As a result the famine, civil wars, corrupt leaders, murder, spreading of disease, militia groups, and other tragic problems occur. I find it horrendous and heartbreaking that these problems occur in Africa.
That’s what the hell I was talking about.
Next time you find it difficult to understand my posts ask me about it in a polite way. I am more than happy to explain my reasoning as I enjoy hearing the rationale of others in a civil way.
Thank you :3

You jump on your high horse about people who generalize about Americans, than you go generalizing about parts of Africa and the Middle East. Are you talking about intelligence of the general populace or the leaders, or what? And what do you mean by intelligence: reading books, practical knowledge, innate learning capacity, or what? What about factors like famine, lack of education opportunities, culture, civil wars, corrupt leaders etc., or are you just subsuming all this under your generalized banner of "intelligence" and then citing that as a "problem" (what problem?).

What the hell are you talking about!?

[JFaulkner]

Africa and the Middle East, for the most part, have terrible education systems. Yes I know they are not countries but the two regions as a single entity suffer from either poor education, no education, or corrupt education. In which certain government's filters most of the information and or alter it. Select countries in the two regions do not suffer as much from the aforementioned scenarios. I did not jump on a high horse against those who generalize Americans. I am against the generalization of every nationality. The difference between regions like Europe or North America is pretty massive when compared to regions like Africa and the Middle East. Most of every part of Europe and all of North America have pretty standardized and honest school systems. People make fun of the select group of idiots within Europe and North America and then apply it to the other people within the nation/regions. When compared to Africa and the Middle East the people of those two regions are left with an unfair disadvantage. One I bring up not to joke about but to shine some light on for the sake of spreading the word. For the most part they do not even have the ability to get a proper education. They are deprived of it as if it were a luxury to receive. As a result the famine, civil wars, corrupt leaders, murder, spreading of disease, militia groups, and other tragic problems occur. I find it horrendous and heartbreaking that these problems occur in Africa.
That’s what the hell I was talking about.
a) You didn't bother justifying why you used the word "intelligence".

b) Lack of education does not cause famine, civil wars, etc. on its own. These factors are interlinked. You think going through a schooling system would stop murder?

c) You're talking in fantastically simple and general terms. Different parts of the Middle East and Africa have different problems. Education is just one aspect.

Next time you find it difficult to understand my posts ask me about it in a polite way. I am more than happy to explain my reasoning as I enjoy hearing the rationale of others in a civil way.
Thank you :3
Thanks, but I'll respond as I see fit and not as you see fit.

[{NG}Fidel]

If you wish to fight then pm me.
Ill be glad to do it there but I am not taking this thread any further.

[JFaulkner]

I am not taking this thread any further.
That's fine by me. I took issue with your generalization. That is all.

[Chousho]

b) Lack of education does not cause famine, civil wars, etc. on its own. These factors are interlinked. You think going through a schooling system would stop murder?

c) You're talking in fantastically simple and general terms. Different parts of the Middle East and Africa have different problems. Education is just one aspect.
I'm taking what he said as (in reference to your points)

b. Lack of education does not _necessarily_ cause famine, but people who have to constantly struggle with famines, civil wars and other events like that won't have the same opportunity (or time to make one) in obtaining a proper education. However, with education, the people would be knowledgeable in how to prevent famine, educated persons should *seemingly* be better at working their differences rather than fight them out, and so forth. Also, by proper education I am referring to a system similar to that of the more industrialized countries. Leaving North America and Europe out, it would be great for these regions if they could obtain the same education that's offered in places such as India or South East Asia.

c. Of course different areas have region specific problems, but I think he was talking more about the expansive issues that children face. The problems that these children as a whole have to suffer: poverty, diseases and conflicts/wars.

Sorry, {NG}, if I mistook your posts in a wrong manner. I agree to an extent with what you say. I think that if Africa were to be raised to the level it could be, many good things would be able to come about, both for the world, but more importantly for the people living there.

[{NG}Fidel]

Nope you got the basis.
Education affects lives.
With proper education Africa would be a different place.
Famine isn’t caused by the lack of education but the lack of education sure doesn’t help solve it. Wars are not caused by a lack of education but lacking education makes them much easier to start. Never underestimate the importance of education.

[Old Ape Face]

Nope you got the basis.
Education affects lives.
With proper education Africa would be a different place.
Famine isn’t caused by the lack of education but the lack of education sure doesn’t help solve it. Wars are not caused by a lack of education but lacking education makes them much easier to start. Never underestimate the importance of education.

It's wise to understand your enemy, that way you wont have a reason to fight.

[Chousho]

It's wise to understand your enemy, that way you wont have a reason to fight.
It's even better to not have any enemies and find and concentrate on the things you mutually agree with.

Love your enemies as yourself.

[Old Ape Face]

It's even better to not have any enemies and find and concentrate on the things you mutually agree with.

Love your enemies as yourself.

Somehow when I said that it really didn't make much sense. What you said was more along the lines of what I was trying to get at.