New theory on Dinosaur extinction!!!!!

[Bernard_Monsha]

People hunted them and they were sluggish due to lack of oxygen after the great flood!


I kid you not! (http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1038/1038_01.asp)

Jack Chick FTMFGDW!

[Ariel Tsuki]

Don't make me cry. Just don't.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Just think portable oxygen tanks could has save the dinosaurs!

[Animematt55]

man, i am out of breath from laughing...

[Leader Desslock]

Wow. I thought I'd seen it all wen it came to Chick Tracts, but I see now that I haven't.

It's a good thing we're deforesting the Amazon. The dinosaurs might've made a comeback.

I wasn't aware that the world decided to rename dragons in 1841, either. I thought the word dinosaur was coined to describe all those big lizard bones lying all over the place, but I didn't realize that early paleontologists believed they were researching dragons. Interesting.

[billgoku]

Interesting, who would of thunk it.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

When you put it like that it makes so much sense! :x

[Tenou]

Sometimes I wonder if the people who think this stuff up realize that they're just making up stories or if they truly believe that from god's mouth this ******** flows.
Also, if you're going to accept that trees create oxygen, then you're going against god, because god created oxygen. And since god created oxygen, killing all of the plants wouldn't change the air. I kind of feel like contacting them to let them know that they blapheme. I wonder if they'd preach a bit of science? Or make up more stories? What do you think?

[Leader Desslock]

I wonder if they'd preach a bit of science? Or make up more stories? What do you think?
Is there anything that you've ever read in a Chick tract that's suggested that its creator is a rational being, capable of objective, reasonable discourse?

No?

There's your answer. If you ever do it, PLEASE let us know what happened, though. Assuming they don't ignore you (which I think will be most likely), it's got to be a hoot.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Wow. I thought I'd seen it all wen it came to Chick Tracts, but I see now that I haven't.

It's a good thing we're deforesting the Amazon. The dinosaurs might've made a comeback.

I wasn't aware that the world decided to rename dragons in 1841, either. I thought the word dinosaur was coined to describe all those big lizard bones lying all over the place, but I didn't realize that early paleontologists believed they were researching dragons. Interesting.

Google "Scrotum Humanum" it was on display for years.


I am still waiting for Jack Chick to tackle Harry Potter.

[Sushikins]

I still believe that ChoRyuJin killed the dinosaurs, and I'm sticking to it.

[Lord Timaeus]

I thought the dinosaurs died because Jack Chick touches himself at night...

[Bernard_Monsha]

I thought the dinosaurs died because Jack Chick touches himself at night...

This is no place for you to talk about your sexual fantasies

[Undrave]

Sometimes I wonder if the people who think this stuff up realize that they're just making up stories or if they truly believe that from god's mouth this ******** flows.
Also, if you're going to accept that trees create oxygen, then you're going against god, because god created oxygen. And since god created oxygen, killing all of the plants wouldn't change the air. I kind of feel like contacting them to let them know that they blapheme. I wonder if they'd preach a bit of science? Or make up more stories? What do you think?

Let's not forget the part that supposedly explains fossils by saying that every other animals, plants and PEOPLE were compressed in mud and water with the dinosaurs...

If that was the case there would be no such things and geological strata and humanoid would be found along side dinosaurs from different eras!!!

[Tenou]

Is there anything that you've ever read in a Chick tract that's suggested that its creator is a rational being, capable of objective, reasonable discourse?

No?

There's your answer. If you ever do it, PLEASE let us know what happened, though. Assuming they don't ignore you (which I think will be most likely), it's got to be a hoot.

You know, this is a publishing company. They are in business. Most business are in the business of making money. Those televangelists... they don't believe what they say, they believe in the gullibility of those who send them money. They're not crazy, irrational, or unreasonable. They're smart, charismatic, and greedy. I just wonder which category this guy falls into. Believer or greedy schmuck.

Well, I wrote it all up:
I take issue with this tract. This tract claims that the dinosaurs died out because the plants the plants, which you claim is created not by god, but by plants, died and therefore there was not enough oxygen for the dinosaurs. This is blasphemy against God because God is the one who creates air. Plants don't change the air. God does.

what do you think? Do I sound like a bible thumper?

[Bernard_Monsha]

Let's not forget the part that supposedly explains fossils by saying that every other animals, plants and PEOPLE were compressed in mud and water with the dinosaurs...

If that was the case there would be no such things and geological strata and humanoid would be found along side dinosaurs from different eras!!!

Already covered (http://www.creationevidence.org/), the guy who runs this place has a tv show on TBN. Unfourtunately he does not let you call in. :(

[Lord Timaeus]

This is no place for you to talk about your sexual fantasies

But I miss him! It's like we're so many worlds apart now!

*bawls*

You don't understand! YOU ALL UNDERSTAND! I mean, don't understand!

*runs off screen*

[Haro!]

Wow. I wonder if people actually take that seriously. I mean I could understand not believing in evolution (no I can't but yeah) or believing intelligent design or creation or that science is the devil (okay can't understand those either) but the comic book format just seems to emphasize the ridiculousness of it all. I just find it hard to believe that a person/people could put that together and think "ah yes that'll do the trick!"
This just reminded me that during Halloween, there was always a store that gave out little comic books of that type. I never remembered what store it was and I'd always ended up at that same store getting candy and lies! Or candy and Jesus, not sure which to describe it as. Needless to say I didn't trust the candy (even back then when I was 5 or 6). Something just felt wrong about it, like you know like getting candy from shady characters, um not sure how to describe it....

[Caine]

I ahdn't looked at chick before
now I have a new source of entertainmnet

[Midoriko87]

:lol: I like the part where the dragon hidded in the clouds!!

[Kenpachi]

You know, this is a publishing company. They are in business. Most business are in the business of making money. Those televangelists... they don't believe what they say, they believe in the gullibility of those who send them money. They're not crazy, irrational, or unreasonable. They're smart, charismatic, and greedy. I just wonder which category this guy falls into. Believer or greedy schmuck.

Metallica has a song about that called Leper Messiah. its f*cking awesome.:smokin::lol:

ive had someone of an experience with these type of people. been to a baptist church, its very similar. visiting a relative and got dragged there.:mad:

even though i am a stricter Catholic than most people, theres a balance between science and religion. Einstein said "Religion without science is lame, and science without religion is blind." but this stuff is bullcrap.

[Bernard_Monsha]

:lol: I like the part where the dragon hidded in the clouds!!

Well he thought he was being chased by the Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Trall.

[Kenpachi]

^...what the f*ck? does it really say that?

[Leader Desslock]

^ Oooo... missed the HGTTG reference. For shame. I bet he doesn't even know where his towel is. He's not a hoopy frood at all.

[tofuman]

Just more Christian nonsense to give me a good laugh.

[Caine]

wow. we went from laughing at crazies with apparently little knowledge of science or history (or anything else) to HGTTG.

Not sure which is better, Bernard's original reference or Desslock's ability to follow up on it

[ShmooZeroOmega]

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v20/SuperSaiyanBowser/?action=view&current=Atheism.jpg

Yeah. We can do that too.

[Kenpachi]

whats HGTTG?

[Caine]

whats HGTTG?

Don't Panic

[LOSTyears]

I still believe that ChoRyuJin killed the dinosaurs, and I'm sticking to it.NICE :lol: I actually find that more believable.

[CrossboneGundam]

Saw this a few weeks ago, still hilariously stupid.

Already covered (http://www.creationevidence.org/), the guy who runs this place has a tv show on TBN. Unfourtunately he does not let you call in. :(

Call in? What for? Are you suggesting that something broadcast on TBN could be factually inaccurate? What manner of heresy is this?!

[KatayokuのTenshi]

^...what the f*ck? does it really say that?

Just remember if you can't see it, it can't see you. :|

[Samurai Drifter]

After all these years, I still find it hard to believe that Jack Chick isn't joking. He could be a comedian.

[Sauron]

whats HGTTG?

(The) Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

[Tom Servo]

The real issue isn't where the dinosaurs went... It's where YOU will go when you die.
Wait, when did that go from a comic about the dinosaurs to mortality and the afterlife?

There was some controversy a while ago about dinosaurs like T-Rex being too heavy to support themselves, so folks came up with ideas like certain sections of it's body were honeycomb-like in structure to reduce it's overall weight - another theory went that the earth had a less strong gravitational field which allowed animals to grow much larger, but I can't remember the reasoning behind that.

[tenshi_a]

I gather that in other fan communities, they seem to call the practice of:

* examining the original material
* seeing something that doesn't add up
* writing stupid theories to make it true

"fanw**king".

Seems like certain types of Christians like to do that a lot. They do worse to the bible than any group of fans of any work of fiction I've ever seen, and then they try to sell their fanfiction to noobs, passing it off as being by the original authors. It's quite terrible.

[note: I translated the situation into one I could comprehend more easily, hope that's ok]

The idea that anyone could mistake fanfiction comics as holy truth... well and truly astounds me...

[Tenou]

No worries, darling, it's actually quite apt. No. Forget apt. It's the exact same thing. Piece of fiction; piece of fiction.

I gather that in other fan communities, they seem to call the practice of:

* examining the original material
* seeing something that doesn't add up
* writing stupid theories to make it true

"fanw**king".

Seems like certain types of Christians like to do that a lot. They do worse to the bible than any group of fans of any work of fiction I've ever seen, and then they try to sell their fanfiction to noobs, passing it off as being by the original authors. It's quite terrible.

[note: I translated the situation into one I could comprehend more easily, hope that's ok]

The idea that anyone could mistake fanfiction comics as holy truth... well and truly astounds me...

[Yukimura-Sanada]

We all know the real cause it was Chuck Norus.

[Undrave]

Aaah Christianity... just like Ancient Egyptian religion it's all about your death. Who cares about a life of suffering when eternal bliss awaits... an eternety looking at Jesus, now THAT'S my idea of fun.

-.-

I gather that in other fan communities, they seem to call the practice of:

* examining the original material
* seeing something that doesn't add up
* writing stupid theories to make it true

"fanw**king".

Seems like certain types of Christians like to do that a lot. They do worse to the bible than any group of fans of any work of fiction I've ever seen, and then they try to sell their fanfiction to noobs, passing it off as being by the original authors. It's quite terrible.

[note: I translated the situation into one I could comprehend more easily, hope that's ok]

The idea that anyone could mistake fanfiction comics as holy truth... well and truly astounds me...

Dear Lord Raven that's so freaking true :lol:

Bible fanfics :lol: I wonder if there are slash fics in that fandom too...

What am I saying? There's ALWAYS slash fics :lol:

[KatayokuのTenshi]

It's quite terrible.

[note: I translated the situation into one I could comprehend more easily, hope that's ok]

The idea that anyone could mistake fanfiction comics as holy truth... well and truly astounds me...

Oh wow, you're a genius.

:lol: @ bible fanfiction.


What am I saying? There's ALWAYS slash fics :lol:

Rule 34 on Adam and the Serpent! :blink:

[Undrave]

Rule 34 on Adam and the Serpent! :blink:

Now that's creepy :lol:

[Delta-Pheonix]

*Hits head on desk* This sort of stuff just makes Christianity look bad.

[Yukimura-Sanada]

*Hits head on desk* This sort of stuff just makes Christianity look bad.

Just another reason for people to be skeptic about it.

[Leader Desslock]

You know, knowing how much Jack Chick hates Catholicism, it's a wonder he didn't say that the dinosaurs died from choking on Communion wafers or something. Really... BIG wafers.

[Yukimura-Sanada]

it seems like the "If you can't see it with the naked eye it doesn't exist" theory is still a strong protocol in the system of Catholicism, and if it doesn't make sense then it's the will of god that executed it's existence. meaning, regardles of Carbon dating, it was taken out of context of the human mind to form an experiment, and therefor was not captured by the human eye at first glance, so it does not exist. Thus it has to be the will of god.

[Bernard_Monsha]

You know, knowing how much Jack Chick hates Catholicism, it's a wonder he didn't say that the dinosaurs died from choking on DEATH COOKIES or Halloween candy satanist/catholics put poison in.

Fixed for correctness.


it seems like the "If you can't see it with the naked eye it doesn't exist" theory is still a strong protocol in the system of Catholicism
What?!

[Yukimura-Sanada]

What?!

the way I see religion (in my honest Opinion) Is a way to explain natural phenomena without using scientific proof. "if you can't see it with the naked eye it doesn't exist." example the dinosaur fossils are dated through chemical experiments. To the naked eye they're just bones and you can't easily tell how old they are, so how do you explain their existence?

this is why this guy believes humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time.

He's just some religious guy who doesn't believe in Carbon Dateing

[Leader Desslock]

this is why this guy believes humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time.
He's a Young Earth advocate. According to him and his ilk, the Earth is only as old as the Bible explicitly says it is, which they've calculated to ~6000-10,000 years.

For that to be true, dinosaurs and humans must've coexisted.

Also - a word of caution. You appear to be about as well versed in theology as you are in several other topics upon which you've commented in the past. You're repeating snippets of what you've heard, without having researched these things or thought them through. This method has not served you well in the past, and it's really not serving you in your current analysis of Catholicism. You might want to do some research before continuing through this minefield, because there are more than enough people who will call you on any mistaken ideas you may hold. Just an FYI.

[Yukimura-Sanada]

He's a Young Earth advocate. According to him and his ilk, the Earth is only as old as the Bible explicitly says it is, which they've calculated to ~6000-10,000 years.

For that to be true, dinosaurs and humans must've coexisted.

Also - a word of caution. You appear to be about as well versed in theology as you are in several other topics upon which you've commented in the past. You're repeating snippets of what you've heard, without having researched these things or thought them through. This method has not served you well in the past, and it's really not serving you in your current analysis of Catholicism. You might want to do some research before continuing through this minefield, because there are more than enough people who will call you on any mistaken ideas you may hold. Just an FYI.

I'm simply mixing observation and my own beliefs on creationism . Whether my philosophy on religion is accurate or not is something I don't want to get into right now. =/

and I believe that the bible does explain that the age of earth is only a few thousand years old.

[Tatsu]

Interesting comic strip. It does justification to Christianity and Young Earth Creationism.

[Ikari Warrior]

I'm simply mixing observation and my own beliefs on creationism.
That's fine, but don't pin it specifically on Catholicism; stick to creationism, it's a much easier foe to tackle with little research on theology than a specific branch of Christianity.
Whether my philosophy on religion is accurate or not is something I don't want to get into right now. =/
Yeah, but how accurate it is perceived by others to be is a necessity. If your philosophy on religion has holes, your argument has holes, given the topic at hand.
and I believe that the bible does explain that the age of earth is only a few thousand years old.
Have you read the bible? What you believe the Bible says, and what it does say could be two different things. I haven't read much, but I did read the first few chapters of Genesis; I didn't see anything that indicated an age of the earth. As far as I'm concerned, the further back in the Old Testament you go, the more metaphorical things get.

Also, you're making your generalization of religion too specific. Religion and Mythology are related, in that both are used to explain the unexplainable. Why is there thunder? Because Zeus is walking around in the clouds. Why is there sin? Because God gave us free will (according to the catholics and probably most sects of christianity), among other reasons.

It's real easy to turn a debate about creationism into a religion v. science topic. In these kinds of topics, it's important to realize that religion wasn't "invented" to refute science, nor vice-versa. In fact, I'd argue that some sciences were developed to prove that God (or Gods) DOES exist.

In regard to the comic in particular, I found it amusing how "What killed the dinosaurs?" turns into "what will happen to YOU?"

Dess, Bernie, is the author of the comic serious?

[KatayokuのTenshi]

and I believe that the bible does explain that the age of earth is only a few thousand years old.

I've seen... a KJV I think it was that had dates in it. Genesis began at 4004 BC.

[Ken-Ohki]

....

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d65/Tekrelious/dino.jpg

[Noi]

Have you read the bible? What you believe the Bible says, and what it does say could be two different things. I haven't read much, but I did read the first few chapters of Genesis; I didn't see anything that indicated an age of the earth. As far as I'm concerned, the further back in the Old Testament you go, the more metaphorical things get.

Before the rise of young earth creationism in the late 19th century, a metaphorical interpretation of first few chapters of Genesis was acceptable. It maybe due to a reactionary response to the Enlightenment of the 18th century and modernism of the 19th that brought rise to young earth creationism.



In regard to the comic in particular, I found it amusing how "What killed the dinosaurs?" turns into "what will happen to YOU?"

Dess, Bernie, is the author of the comic serious?

If you read Jack Chick's comic tracts, he is serious. He belongs in the same fundamentalist denomination as another Jack, anti-gaming lawyer Jack Thompson. Independent Baptists are known for their young-earth creationist beliefs.

[Bernard_Monsha]

It's real easy to turn a debate about creationism into a religion v. science topic. In these kinds of topics, it's important to realize that religion wasn't "invented" to refute science, nor vice-versa. In fact, I'd argue that some sciences were developed to prove that God (or Gods) DOES exist.

In regard to the comic in particular, I found it amusing how "What killed the dinosaurs?" turns into "what will happen to YOU?"

Dess, Bernie, is the author of the comic serious?

Yes they are, people hand them to me it is usually the one that has the ask "Do you accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour" Yes No. I circle no and hand it back to them. It is great for LULZ.


I've seen... a KJV I think it was that had dates in it. Genesis began at 4004 BC.

It is not actually in the text that is a supposition by one James Ussher from the 17th century.

[Samurai Drifter]

and I believe that the bible does explain that the age of earth is only a few thousand years old.
It never says that explicitly. Young-Earth creationists supposedly interpret Gensis very literally, but beyond the the Earth being created in seven days, there's no mention of any specific timeline as far as I recall.

Young Earth creationism is one of the more ridiculous Creationism interpretations popular among Christians. It's one of the reasons I stopped going to church in the first place- so many people bought into it. I just couldn't believe how stupid they were.

[CrossboneGundam]

the way I see religion (in my honest Opinion) Is a way to explain natural phenomena without using scientific proof. "if you can't see it with the naked eye it doesn't exist." example the dinosaur fossils are dated through chemical experiments. To the naked eye they're just bones and you can't easily tell how old they are, so how do you explain their existence?

this is why this guy believes humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time.

He's just some religious guy who doesn't believe in Carbon Dateing

You have got to put a lot of effort into coming up with these terrible ideas, how else could you come up with this claim that religion is the opposite of religion? God/s, goddesses, magic, miracles, etc. can't be seen, but belief in those things are the entire basis of religions.

And don't talk about carbon dating if you don't know how it works, which I'm sure you don't, because radiocarbon dating can't be used for anything remotely close to the time of the dinosaurs. The maximum extent of its range is 40,000 years ago. Dinosaur fossils are primarily dated by geological strata.

[Ikari Warrior]

It never says that explicitly. Young-Earth creationists supposedly interpret Gensis very literally, but beyond the the Earth being created in seven days, there's no mention of any specific timeline as far as I recall.
Relating to my earlier post, one could even interpret a "day" metaphorically as an undefined period of earth's history.

Young Earth creationism is one of the more ridiculous Creationism interpretations popular among Christians. It's one of the reasons I stopped going to church in the first place- so many people bought into it. I just couldn't believe how stupid they were.

Oddly enough, I haven't heard much on this interpretation. I guess I've just ignored it because it never sounded rational to me.

[Undrave]

The bible only mentions the number of GENERATIONS between Adam and Eve and certain figures, like Noah I believe. It was then calculated in the 17th century or something to that effect.

It's worth nothing that some writers even made Noah and his family into a race of mythical giant to give 'divine' linneage to French monarchy!

And the day thing is a bit silly because it took like...three days for the Sun to be created How do you mesure DAYS without sunlight?!

[Bernard_Monsha]

You know what is sad is this holds more weight with me than the dinosaurs died of constipation theory.

[Yukimura-Sanada]

You have got to put a lot of effort into coming up with these terrible ideas, how else could you come up with this claim that religion is the opposite of religion? God/s, goddesses, magic, miracles, etc. can't be seen, but belief in those things are the entire basis of religions.

And don't talk about carbon dating if you don't know how it works, which I'm sure you don't, because radiocarbon dating can't be used for anything remotely close to the time of the dinosaurs. The maximum extent of its range is 40,000 years ago. Dinosaur fossils are primarily dated by geological strata.

I know I said Carbon Dating, to reference one way to find the age of something, I'm just not sure what the method to date bones is called (they used the term in Anthropology class but it's been years since I've taken it).

It never says that explicitly. Young-Earth creationists supposedly interpret Gensis very literally, but beyond the the Earth being created in seven days, there's no mention of any specific timeline as far as I recall.

I have read the first few pages of the bible. and it marks seven days of the creation of the earth. and I wouldn't expect the bible to out right tell you dates of things.

[Kenpachi]

the Bible cant list every single event in B.C. history. for example, the bible lists Adam and Eve's decendents up until Noah. its not possible. in that short period of time there is no way that the earth's human population could have exploded like that. not to mention technological advancement. things were lost somewhere. there are also books written in the Bible that are only in some versions. some books werent considered acceptable for the Bible and werent aloud to stay part of it, and the religious leaders took them away.

and the Dead Sea Scrolls also have a lot of information about the time after Jesus. so theres a ton of information thats been lost throughout time. plus the Bible went through tons of changes even in B.C. times. and other books in the bible provide more information about other books. and because of that, the estimate of how old the earth is is way off.

and just because it says that God made the earth in seven days, it doesnt mean that the days were the typical 24 hours we now know. ancient people didnt have a clue about the stuff we now know. so if the earth rotated differently, it would have still been 7 days. and then somehow the rotational time of the earth sped up towards the beginning of man. probably through some huge event that caused something in prehistory thats still a mystery to us. nobody knew what that was. and since people were really simple back then, seven days meant seven typical days that they knew of. the Bible that we know of has been messed with in the past. i could go on, but this is already a huge post.

[Tenou]

I'm simply mixing observation and my own beliefs on creationism . Whether my philosophy on religion is accurate or not is something I don't want to get into right now. =/

and I believe that the bible does explain that the age of earth is only a few thousand years old.

It never says that explicitly. Young-Earth creationists supposedly interpret Gensis very literally, but beyond the the Earth being created in seven days, there's no mention of any specific timeline as far as I recall.

Young Earth creationism is one of the more ridiculous Creationism interpretations popular among Christians. It's one of the reasons I stopped going to church in the first place- so many people bought into it. I just couldn't believe how stupid they were.

... The bible doesn't say 'And 3 982 years BC, January 1st, to be exact, the world was created. Then in the year 3 965, Adam and Eva had their first child.' You certainly won't find any numbers (besides the 7 days) in the first couple of pages. It's extrapolating and estimating. Ok, you have a line of descent from Adam and Eve to... I don't know who (you know, all those, and this Adam begot Cain, and Cain begot, etc.) . So, you say that a generation is... 16 years (it's not, because Adam apparently lived a damn long time), and you have 1000 generations. Then you take a known date, say the date someone well documented (and, this is the most important part, jibes with your own date) and zip, boom, bonjour! You've got an estimation of the age of the world. Ok, it's a piss poor way to figure out the age of the earth, but see how it's done?

And Happy belated birthday to the earth. Did you know that the earth's birthday is October 23. Way back in 4004 BC... I wonder if Ka or Narmer was there to Usher him in (that's a pun, because the guy who came up with the date, his name was Usher. It's funny. Laugh.)

[Kenpachi]

the Bible means that Adam lived around 1000 years because thats how long his bloodline lasted. he lived through his bloodline. everything else wasnt direct decent. when his bloodline ended, he died.

[Samurai Drifter]

So, you say that a generation is... 16 years (it's not, because Adam apparently lived a damn long time), and you have 1000 generations. Then you take a known date, say the date someone well documented (and, this is the most important part, jibes with your own date) and zip, boom, bonjour! You've got an estimation of the age of the world. Ok, it's a piss poor way to figure out the age of the earth, but see how it's done?
The method makes sense, I guess. Too bad it's based on an unverifiable account that flies in the face of science.

[Leader Desslock]

Dess, Bernie, is the author of the comic serious?
Yes, he does exist as a human being, and yes, he's absolutely dead serious. These are not intended to be tongue in cheek. These are intended to be informational tracts for members of the faith.

I've been handed these tracts by proslytisers. In Maine, the group was the Berean Bible Baptist Curch. I've found that they're almost impossible to debate (unlike Catholics, Mormons, Scientologists, Jehovah's Witnesses, etc.), because they lack any form of logic or critical thought processes. The moment you try to point out inconsistencies in their worldview or message, they tend to jump track and spout a Bible verse they've been taught "refutes" the point, whether it's related or not. It's almost like a conditioned reflex.

These are genuinely scary people.

ancient people didnt have a clue about the stuff we now know.
And yet, we're still trying to figure out Stonehenge...

since people were really simple back then...
One of the biggest mistakes nonhistorians make when considering past cultures and civilizations is that because they came before what we know to be the complex cultures of the world today, they must have been far simpler.

Just because we don't know the details of day-to-day life in ancient Sumeria, that doesn't mean that their culture was any less complex than today's culture. It just means that the historical record is very bad at capturing certain types of details.

Medieval European civilization was enourmously complex, but people seem to have this simplified "King Arthur" version stuck in their heads.

[Undrave]

The earth IS slowng down. When life first appeared scientists theorize days lasted for only 20 hours. The Dinosaurs had days of about 23 hours. In a few millenias we'll get our 25th hour.

Heck recently they had to 'add' a second at the end of the year to compensate for the slowing down of the Earth's rotation!


These are genuinely scary people.


And yet, we're still trying to figure out Stonehenge...


One of the biggest mistakes nonhistorians make when considering past cultures and civilizations is that because they came before what we know to be the complex cultures of the world today, they must have been far simpler.

Just because we don't know the details of day-to-day life in ancient Sumeria, that doesn't mean that their culture was any less complex than today's culture. It just means that the historical record is very bad at capturing certain types of details.

Medieval European civilization was enourmously complex, but people seem to have this simplified "King Arthur" version stuck in their heads.

They do sound scary and crazy oO

Stonehenge is overrate because of that supernatural aura it has. It's not THAT mysterious.

Another good exemple is precolombian calandars... I hink the Mayans are the only one to effectively combine a solar and lunar calandar nearly perfectly...even WE don't do that now! (though we are pretty much stuck in our ways ).

[Samurai Drifter]

One of the biggest mistakes nonhistorians make when considering past cultures and civilizations is that because they came before what we know to be the complex cultures of the world today, they must have been far simpler.
That's true, and it's a viewpoint really bothers me. What about Plato? Socrates? One greek philosopher, before the invention of microscopes, even theorized that matter was made of tiny smaller units. Minamoto Yoritomo started out as a sandal carrier for a local lord and rose to become the first Shogun of Japan, implementing the class system, limiting the amount of people who could threaten his power. One English king ended up controlling half of Europe by proxy through arranged marriges. Gengis Khan took a band of nomadic hunters and turned them into a world-conquering army. The Egyptians built tombs that we'd have trouble building today with our modern technology.

No, the people of the past weren't stupid. We built on their accomplishments.

[Tom Servo]

and just because it says that God made the earth in seven days, it doesnt mean that the days were the typical 24 hours we now know. ancient people didnt have a clue about the stuff we now know. so if the earth rotated differently, it would have still been 7 days. and then somehow the rotational time of the earth sped up towards the beginning of man. probably through some huge event that caused something in prehistory thats still a mystery to us. nobody knew what that was. and since people were really simple back then, seven days meant seven typical days that they knew of.
If I were to give you another occult book besides the Bible that said... say... "take a bone of an Ibis, place it in the belly, and wear the tail of the lion as a belt so it's shadow does not fall upon the bone for seven moons" would you think that's describing some arcane secret, or describing a bizarre ritual to Satan, or just how to grow a nice Buckthorn bush?

It's patent what "seven days" is all about if you think about it.

[Leader Desslock]

The you sound crazy oO

Stonehenge is overrate because of that supernatural aura it has. It's not THAT mysterious.
I didn't say there was anyting mystical about it. It's just a big calendar. What we're still trying to figure out is just how it was built, as well as all the little alignments it shows. There are still people with computer simulations of the ancient night sky saying, "Do you know? I think it also shows this!"

They knew what they wanted to build, and they knew how to build it without all this precise equipment we have today. My point was that although their knowledge might've been quite different than our own, I wouldn't necessarily call it simpler.

And for the record, I know I'm crazy. This is not a secret.

[tenshi_a]

not quite related to this topic, but... did you ever see this (http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks/) article about one man (on his own) building his own stonehenge, moving tons and tons of rock around...? it's fairly amazing.

[Tenou]

not quite related to this topic, but... did you ever see this (http://j-walkblog.com/index.php?/weblog/posts/moving_big_rocks/) article about one man (on his own) building his own stonehenge, moving tons and tons of rock around...? it's fairly amazing.

That's not amazing. This (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=-wVADKznOhY)is amazing. Fire's pretty.

[animeotaku99]

The earth IS slowng down. When life first appeared scientists theorize days lasted for only 20 hours. The Dinosaurs had days of about 23 hours. In a few millenias we'll get our 25th hour.

is that some kind of Persona 3 reference?

[KatayokuのTenshi]

That's not amazing. This (http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=-wVADKznOhY)is amazing. Fire's pretty.

The true difference between eccentricity and madness isn’t money. It’s style.

[Noi]

Yes, he does exist as a human being, and yes, he's absolutely dead serious. These are not intended to be tongue in cheek. These are intended to be informational tracts for members of the faith.

Young-Earth creationists supposedly interpret Genesis very literally, but beyond the Earth being created in seven days, there's no mention of any specific timeline as far as I recall.

Fundamentalist Baptists like Jack Chick have to realize that the Genesis creation account was not written for Christians, but to ancient Israel. What it means to ancient Israel is different than what Christians (the new Israel) like us today mean. I believe that the ancient Israelites will find the young earth creationist interpretations foreign to them if they were alive today.

As for timeline, the ancient Israelites reckon time differently than modern people, which is why is is problematic to literally understand the Bible without understanding its historical and cultural context.

Young Earth creationism is one of the more ridiculous Creationism interpretations popular among Christians. It's one of the reasons I stopped going to church in the first place- so many people bought into it. I just couldn't believe how stupid they were.

I agree. There is a view prevalent among conservative Christians is that if they do not accept young-earth creationism they believe they are denying God's Word. I strongly disagree with them, even though I long considered myself theologically conservative. There are ways for Christians, esp. evangelicals, to accept the geological/biological record without denying nor compromising the Christian faith.

People like Chick do not realize how much harm to the Christian faith by insisting on a young-earth creationist viewpoint. It is harmful because it gives a wrong impression that Christians are ignorant of the geological/biological record, and it sets us up to ridicule by non-believers who believe that a religion that believes in young-earth creationism is not worth believing in.

[Kenpachi]

i mean that the bible goes back to even the beginning of the Egyptians. were the Egytian architectual masters? yes. yes the Greeks did many things too. hell the Romans did stuff that we're just starting to figure out. their concrete is still around.

not all ancient people were primitive, damn. the Aztecs and others knew about iron and other metals, but they chose not to use them. but considering how much they mastered making stuff out of gold, and if they incorporated that into making iron weapons, and maybe steel, they would have done a better job at fighting the Spanish. maybe even fought them off, considering how freaking long it took to load a gun back in the 1500s.

but the original writers of the Bible probably werent heavily educated or anything.

[Leader Desslock]

but the original writers of the Bible probably werent heavily educated or anything.
The original writers would have been more formally educated than most of their contemporaries. This was not a common skill, back in the day.

The people who dictated what needed to be written down might've been total idiots, for all I know. But the folks putting stylus to clay would've had more academic exposure than most.

[Undrave]

The original writers would have been more formally educated than most of their contemporaries. This was not a common skill, back in the day.

The people who dictated what needed to be written down might've been total idiots, for all I know. But the folks putting stylus to clay would've had more academic exposure than most.

Plus let's not forget all the distortion that would have happened between the conception of those stories and the time they actually put them down in writting.

AND the translations.

The Bible is too old to be taken as face value, plain and simple.

[Kenpachi]

also, look at how corrupt the Jewish leaders were in the time of Jesus. SOMETHING was screwed up. some stuff in the bible is just "thats just bullsh*t!". too different from the way the rest of the Bible is written. the only way we would know how it was originally written is if they find something else akin to the Dead Sea Scrolls and look at that. plus if you look at different versions of the bible that are even out there today, its different. the verses are different, ive even seen some almost left out.

but if you stick to a lot of the common stuff that you dont have to become a scholar to find, its pretty much the same overall.