Please consider supporting Ron Paul for President of the United States.

[Big Shot]

This man is seriously the only worthy candidates among all the people that are selling themselves to special interests groups.

His record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

More about Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about/)

[Leader Desslock]

Yeah. I'll get right on that. Lemme just pencil it into my calendar.

[Samurai Drifter]

Well, MY opinion is completely changed by your paragraph of sound bytes!

At least he seems anti-NWO. Too bad that won't gain him friends in the Republican party.

[Big Shot]

lol, I think it's better than answering everything with "9/11"

[kenshinbebop]

Politics never work out too well here. Just a fore warning.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...but he didn't say "FREE HAT".

[Fobb]

I want a free hat..seriously.


I'm gonna have to research the guy and see what you say is true. I haven't been following any of the candidates, and I'll have to get on that if I plan on voting my first election when I become citizenized.

[Big Shot]

Politics never work out too well here. Just a fore warning.

hey, either way, baiting is satisfying.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...and he also didn't say "FREE PUNCH AND PIE".


man. i wish i could vote.

[Vaikyuko]

Wow, just from your list, I'm making sure NOT to vote for him! How bout that. I don't agree with a politician 100%, ever (does anyone?), but I can definitely find SOMEONE better than this guy.

[Lord Timaeus]

Ron Paul: The biggest Internet troll to have ever run for President.

[Animematt55]

He sounds alright to me, better than Hillary or Obama. But still seems a little out there.
Gun control is a major issue for me, and Ron Paul is the best guy for that

[Bernard_Monsha]

At least he seems anti-NWO. Too bad that won't gain him friends in the Republican party.

The majority of the base is anti NWO and falls into the Jacksonian sphere of foreign policy.

I will not vote for Ron Paul. Mr Smith Goes to Washington is a movie, it does not work in real life.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

Please consider supporting Stephen Colbert for President of the United States. :lol:

[Soluzar]

Sounds like a pretty decent politician. That doesn't make him a potential world leader though. It just means he's got some principles. I'm quite surprised this topic isn't already locked, but I suppose it is civil so far.

I'd be surprised if anyone cast their vote according to what they read on an internet forum though. People have already decided by now. The election is next month, right?

[Ariel Tsuki]

Sounds like a pretty decent politician. That doesn't make him a potential world leader though. It just means he's got some principles. I'm quite surprised this topic isn't already locked, but I suppose it is civil so far.

I don't think he plans to be much of one, he's for America to withdraw from the United Nations and non-intervention foreign policy, which is basically America is to ignore helping out nations but still open for trading and cultural exchange and the like. America had a history trying to implement a silmilar position but it botched up in the end. Plus our ties with other countries pretty much made that impossible. I doubt he would go through such a thing if, by some miracle, becomes Prez but it is a thing to think over. While I agree that America shouldn't be some world police, but I think no interfence whatsoever is not a good idea.

Plus he's pro-life and for taking down Roe vs. Wade, which is a big no-no for me.

One thing though, this upcoming election is gonna suck, it's a lose-lose situation as far as I'm concerned, but it would be better than Bush.

Please consider supporting Stephen Colbert for President of the United States. :lol:

Psh, I'm already supporting his consideration for consideration for running for Prez.

[Reidar]

Colbert is already running for the state of South Carolina. He made his decision a few minutes after his announcement that he would consider it.

[Undrave]

Forget these losers!

Vote Saxon!

drum drum drum!

:lol:

[Yukimura-Sanada]

Sounds like a pretty decent politician. That doesn't make him a potential world leader though. It just means he's got some principles. I'm quite surprised this topic isn't already locked, but I suppose it is civil so far.

I'd be surprised if anyone cast their vote according to what they read on an internet forum though. People have already decided by now. The election is next month, right?

next year *cough* 2008 *cough*

[Soluzar]

next year *cough* 2008 *cough*
Ohhh. Right. I'm not an American, the main thing I remember is that you always have an election in November. I just kinda forgot what year it was supposed to be. Since this is being posted now, I wondered if it might be next month.

[Haro!]

He seems decent enough but can Ron Paul compete with this: (hit play on "ringtone1") (http://origin.barackobama.com/mobile/)

Honestly the only person I'd really vote for is Colbert. Not really sure which ticket might be better Colbert - Stewart or Colbert - Putin.

[Animematt55]

He seems decent enough but can Ron Paul compete with this: (hit play on "ringtone1") (http://origin.barackobama.com/mobile/)

Honestly the only person I'd really vote for is Colbert. Not really sure which ticket might be better Colbert - Stewart or Colbert - Putin.

Putin is pretty badass, and wont take crap from people. But he is the friend of our main enemies.
ALl the candidates are indifferent to me.
I am middle of the road, I have right wing ideas, and left wings ideas.
I want no gun control, of course. Also, i want more control over these outragious gas prices.

[Victory]

sage for viral marketing

edit: Soluzar pointed out something interesting, if you add up the length of presidential campaigns in the U.S. you get 100% coverage! when's the campaign starting you ask? the answer is ALWAYS

[Talon]

I'm voting Colbert/O'Reiley for 08.

Minus the O'Reiley. :lol:

[Ken-Ohki]

Voting Obama thanks much, though a Democrat in Utah is like throwing your vote away I'll still do it. Nobody even campaigns here, it's sad :'(

Oh BTW? I'm MORMON and I say that, yes, I'm not even considering that Romney guy, well maybe if it's him or Clinton I'll have a psychological conflict of interest

[Big Shot]

There's absolutely nobody from either party (aside from Dr. Paul and Kusinich) that are against the war, against special interest groups, in favor of balanced budgets, etc.

[Animematt55]

There's absolutely nobody from either party (aside from Dr. Paul and Kusinich) that are against the war, against special interest groups, in favor of balanced budgets, etc.

Not to mention keeping the constitution held together.

[Bernard_Monsha]

There's absolutely nobody from either party (aside from Dr. Paul and Kusinich) that are against the war, against special interest groups, in favor of balanced budgets, etc.

I would vote for a jar of pig testicles before I ever voted for that crook Kusinich. Why on earth would anyone vote for someone who was so corrupt he bankrupted a major city by ineptitude and giveing out favors. People have very short memories though, I listened to someone the other day talk about what a great president Jimmy Carter was. :lol:

[Soluzar]

I would vote for a jar of pig testicles before I ever voted for that crook Kusinich. Why on earth would anyone vote for someone who was so corrupt he bankrupted a major city by ineptitude and giveing out favors.
Sounds like an interesting story, give me some pointers so that I can find some more details, please. I'm fascinated now by your short account of events, and I would like to hear the long version.

People have very short memories though, I listened to someone the other day talk about what a great president Jimmy Carter was. :lol:
I don't even know how anyone would take it into their heads to start talking that way. Every time I've ever so much as heard him mentioned, it was only to deride or ridicule him. It seems so ingrained in American culture to consider him a failure.

[Talon]

I would vote for a jar of pig testicles before I ever voted for that crook Kusinich. Why on earth would anyone vote for someone who was so corrupt he bankrupted a major city by ineptitude and giveing out favors. People have very short memories though, I listened to someone the other day talk about what a great president Jimmy Carter was. :lol:

I woulds never vote for Kusinich simply because he took that hot wife of his off the market. What does an old guy like him think hes doing? :lol:

[Undrave]

Ohhh. Right. I'm not an American, the main thing I remember is that you always have an election in November. I just kinda forgot what year it was supposed to be. Since this is being posted now, I wondered if it might be next month.

Those crazy Americans and their fixed years election huh? Look at us Canadians... there could be an election any day now, what with the minority government on the brink of collapsing and all...

[Alice Catherine]

Please consider supporting Stephen Colbert for President of the United States. :lol:

That'd actually work out better than any of the others, so long as he gets out of character. If not: :eek:

[CrossboneGundam]

Putin is pretty badass, and wont take crap from people.

So you're advocating political office-holders having dissenters and journalists with integrity murdered for their own political good?

Because that's how Putin deals with crap from his own people.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Sounds like an interesting story, give me some pointers so that I can find some more details, please. I'm fascinated now by your short account of events, and I would like to hear the long version.

Basically he put Cleveland into bankruptcy by refuseing to sell the minicipal power company. The city went from slow decline to rapid decent and finally bottomed out never to recover. He defends his position saying he was fighting "evil corperations" it was irrelevent if he dragged half a million people into the lurch with him. He is in the top 10 for "Worst Mayor Ever" for willingly driveing his administration into the ground for personal reasons. I prefer to keep people willing to martyr me and my family for them to prove a point out of office.


I don't even know how anyone would take it into their heads to start talking that way. Every time I've ever so much as heard him mentioned, it was only to deride or ridicule him. It seems so ingrained in American culture to consider him a failure.

Carter was horrible, high inflation, gas lines, nearly 10 percent unemployment, a 20% interest rates, singlehandedly spoiling our relationship with Iran paveing the way for the current regime, not reacting to the Iranian hostage situation forcibly enough to discourage such activity in the future. He is also the only president in history to be attacked and beaten by a bunny rabbit.

[Leader Desslock]

Carter was horrible, high inflation, gas lines, nearly 10 percent unemployment, a 20% interest rates...
Yeah, I remember those times. Back then, I don't remember anyone saying he was a good president. A good man? You bet. But never a good president. Same with Ford, really. Both of them were sincere men of high integrity (by today's standards, anyway), but neither of them quite had the touch when it came to the big chair.

As far as I'm concerned, Carter's been a far better ex-president than he ever was a president.

He is also the only president in history to be attacked and beaten by a bunny rabbit.
Well, to be fair, it was a really BIG bunny. With sharp teeth. (makes the gesture)

[CrossboneGundam]

Carter was horrible, high inflation, gas lines, nearly 10 percent unemployment, a 20% interest rates, singlehandedly spoiling our relationship with Iran paveing the way for the current regime, not reacting to the Iranian hostage situation forcibly enough to discourage such activity in the future. He is also the only president in history to be attacked and beaten by a bunny rabbit.

He clearly was one of the most powerful presidents in history if he could personally incite the Iranian revolution, manipulate the value of the dollar, the price of gas, take away people's jobs, etc.

But what are you talking about, "paving the way for the current regime"? It's the same regime that's been in power since the end of revolution, which presi, err, AYATOLLAH Carter was clearly personally responsible for.

And spoiling our relations with Iran? Try support for Saddam Hussein in the 80s, his war with Iran led to over 1,000,000 Iranian dead. That's a lot less endearing to them than failing miserably at rescuing our hostages.

Besides, the only way there would have been to resolve the situation without a hostile relationship would have been to deny the Shah entry into the US.

[HSaabedra]

He clearly was one of the most powerful presidents in history if he could personally incite the Iranian revolution, manipulate the value of the dollar, the price of gas, take away people's jobs, etc.

His economic policies wiped out a surplus and drove up inflation.

But what are you talking about, "paving the way for the current regime"? It's the same regime that's been in power since the end of revolution, which presi, err, AYATOLLAH Carter was clearly personally responsible for.

The Shah was deposed before Carter was elected.

And spoiling our relations with Iran? Try support for Saddam Hussein in the 80s, his war with Iran led to over 1,000,000 Iranian dead. That's a lot less endearing to them than failing miserably at rescuing our hostages.

In the eyes of the American people 1,000,000 Iranians dead is better than 1 dead American

Besides, the only way there would have been to resolve the situation without a hostile relationship would have been to deport the Shah or refuse him asylum.

As I recall, Iran's former President was a reformist leader seeking ties with the west during both Clinton administrations. It wasn't until the Yale Inner Circle suggested that Amedinejad be placed in the same league as Kim-Jong Il that the current standoff happened.

[ecchi]

I just have a feeling Hillary Clinton is going to win...

I don't know a thing about politics so this feeling is just based on what I think.

[Bernard_Monsha]

He clearly was one of the most powerful presidents in history if he could personally incite the Iranian revolution, manipulate the value of the dollar, the price of gas, take away people's jobs, etc.

Head of state is ultimately responsible for the action his cabinant takes. Inflation riseing with no countermeasures, botching and pissing off OPEC were his nome de plume.

But what are you talking about, "paving the way for the current regime"? It's the same regime that's been in power since the end of revolution, which presi, err, AYATOLLAH Carter was clearly personally responsible for.

Considering he claimed to be supporting human rights when he did a 180 and denounced the Shah in 1977 and black mailed him at the same time with withdrawing US support. The Shah was put into an untenable position, either fight the Islamic revolution alone ior receive US auid and slit his own throat. Please explain how Mr Peanut's policy did not directly effect the Shahs position and the rise of the Ayatollah.


And spoiling our relations with Iran? Try support for Saddam Hussein in the 80s, his war with Iran led to over 1,000,000 Iranian dead. That's a lot less endearing to them than failing miserably at rescuing our hostages.

The Shah was a pro-western government that was freindly towards the US until Mr Peanut told him fall on his sword or hang himself.

Besides, the only way there would have been to resolve the situation without a hostile relationship would have been to deny the Shah entry into the US.

No if he had not undermined the Shah and supported him the Islamic revolution would have been crushed, Khomeni would have died a pauper in Paris and we would not be in the current situation we are now. Mr. Peanut was a bad president end of story.


As I recall, Iran's former President was a reformist leader seeking ties with the west during both Clinton administrations. It wasn't until the Yale Inner Circle suggested that Amedinejad be placed in the same league as Kim-Jong Il that the current standoff happened.

Mr Peanut also was in the middle of the North Korean situation saying we can trust Leader of the Peoples Juchi to keep his word when Billy was ready to bomb. He is batting 1000 if you count total failures

[Soluzar]

Those crazy Americans and their fixed years election huh? Look at us Canadians... there could be an election any day now, what with the minority government on the brink of collapsing and all...
It is the same in Britain. The government may call an election at any time, if they wish to. Of course there is a deadline, but it almost never gets right down to the wire.

I certainly appreciate the extra information regarding both the matters I inquired about. It can be so enlightening to hear about American history from those who were directly affected by it.

[Ariel Tsuki]

I just have a feeling Hillary Clinton is going to win...

I don't know a thing about politics so this feeling is just based on what I think.

Meh, I think so too. The most popular candidate on the Republician side is Giuilani. Psh, I know that most people in NYC won't vote for him. There is no love lost for the guy, especially after riding on the 9/11 ticket too damn hard. But I give some respect to the guy for still being pro-choice somewhat, but his three marriages, especially the hoopla of how badly his second marriage went down (it was like it was Hollywood for a sec in NYC), the Christian right most likely won't back him.

I want to vote next year but none of the prospects look that good.

People have very short memories though, I listened to someone the other day talk about what a great president Jimmy Carter was. :lol:

Every President look great compared to Bush. But people wear rose colored glasses when regarding the past though.

[Jae Hoon]

Contrary to popular belief Bush is not the worst president we have had.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Every President look great compared to Bush. But people wear rose colored glasses when regarding the past though.

People will not think that way 10-20 or even 50 years from now. Bush was also not the most unpopular president ever, Abraham Lincoln was. The passage of time will dull the partisan rancor surrounding Dubya and will be kinder to him than it will be to Mr Peanut.

[HSaabedra]

People will not think that way 10-20 or even 50 years from now. Bush was also not the most unpopular president ever, Abraham Lincoln was. The passage of time will dull the partisan rancor surrounding Dubya and will be kinder to him than it will be to Mr Peanut.

I blame Bush for the return of Ma Bell and Clinton for the lack of 100% broadband coverage. At least Bush signed a new law requiring the 2.5GHz band be used for wireless high speed internet.

[Ariel Tsuki]

People will not think that way 10-20 or even 50 years from now. Bush was also not the most unpopular president ever, Abraham Lincoln was. The passage of time will dull the partisan rancor surrounding Dubya and will be kinder to him than it will be to Mr Peanut.

It's one thing for Abraham Lincoln, who have accomplishments to fall back on, but I can't think of anything positive for Dubya other than that bill that keeps child molesters from preying young children in countries with child prostitution. But the one thing he will be remember for is the goof up that is the Iraq War.

But approval ratings for Bush haven't been kind to him if he actually got an approval rating lower than Nixon during the whole Watergate shebang.

[Bernard_Monsha]

It's one thing for Abraham Lincoln, who have accomplishments to fall back on, but I can't think of anything positive for Dubya other than that bill that keeps child molesters from preying young children in countries with child prostitution. But the one thing he will be remember is the goof up that is the Iraq War.

But approval ratings for Bush haven't been kind to him if he actually got an approval rating lower than Nixon during the whole Watergate shebang.

People did not hate Nixon until they heard him saying naughty words (he said the F word). Bush will be remembered for 9-11 and standing on the rubble of the WTC talking to the firefighters. Carter will be remembered for having the American embassy stormed and the failure of Operation Eagles Talon.

Lincoln would have been kicked out of office with the exception he had a habit of throwing people in prison who might cause him problems. It helped tamp down the flames some but a smoldering resentment remained in 1863 and he would have been voted out of office except the Unions fortunes in battle switched and the American public loves a winner.

[Animematt55]

man, i really really hope Hillary doesn't get elected. If she does, say good bye to the good video games, and firearms. We will be like Germany when Hitler took over. No protection, and no freedom of expression

[Jae Hoon]

It's one thing for Abraham Lincoln, who have accomplishments to fall back on, but I can't think of anything positive for Dubya other than that bill that keeps child molesters from preying young children in countries with child prostitution. But the one thing he will be remember for is the goof up that is the Iraq War.

But approval ratings for Bush haven't been kind to him if he actually got an approval rating lower than Nixon during the whole Watergate shebang.

Which means nothing, if they had as many "experts" and the internet like they do now, Nixons approval rating would have been at about 2 percent. Hell Lincoln would have had a lower approval rating, most of the north didnt even agree with what he was doing.

[Soluzar]

man, i really really hope Hillary doesn't get elected. If she does, say good bye to the good video games, and firearms. We will be like Germany when Hitler took over. No protection, and no freedom of expression
I'm invoking Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law). This thread is now over. :P

[Animematt55]

I'm invoking Godwin's Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_Law). This thread is now over. :P

Curse you Soluzar!

[Samurai Drifter]

I just have a feeling Hillary Clinton is going to win...

I don't know a thing about politics so this feeling is just based on what I think.
In the words of Darth Vader:

"NOOOOOOOOOO!!"

If Hillary gets the Democratic nomination, then I vote Green.

[Caine]

A vote for Ron Paul is a vote for the internet.

Seriously, unless Giuliani looks like he might win, in which case I vote Dem even if it means Hillary, I'm going with a minor party candidate.

[Haro!]

People did not hate Nixon until they heard him saying naughty words (he said the F word). Bush will be remembered for 9-11 and standing on the rubble of the WTC talking to the firefighters. Carter will be remembered for having the American embassy stormed and the failure of Operation Eagles Talon.
I hope that isn't so (I mean honestly I forgot pretty much all the photo-ops the politicians had at the WTC) but I have a feeling that will be the case. The failure of the current war in Iraq and Afghanistan would definitely fall upon the next president regardless of the action they take (which is why I can't see why anyone would really want to run for pres at this point).
A bit more on topic, on the Republican side of things, Ron Paul is the only guy I'd vote for. I can't find anyone else in that party that I can agree with on anything. I'd vote Hillary only to have Bill in the White House again. Obama I'd vote for only because he seems to speak the best compared to all the other candidates, and I think we need that after 8 years of Bushisms. Kucinich, only because he'd have a hot first lady. But the person who I absolutely want to win is Gravel. That guy is awesome.

[Bernard_Monsha]

I hope that isn't so (I mean honestly I forgot pretty much all the photo-ops the politicians had at the WTC) but I have a feeling that will be the case. The failure of the current war in Iraq and Afghanistan would definitely fall upon the next president regardless of the action they take (which is why I can't see why anyone would really want to run for pres at this point).

Nobody remembers Teddy Roosevelt for the invasion fo the Phillipines, or Woodrow Wilson for sacking Vera Cruz and ousting the Mexican government. Bush will be remembered for 9-11 and the jury is still out on what the long term effects will be as to his foreign policy. Frankly we need a bit more gunboat diplomacy instead of our current carrot and carrot approach.

[Caine]

^while I agree that Iraq will not be the only point history considers in Bush's presidency, Wilson and Roosevelt also had other notable points in their presidencies.

[Yukito Kunisaki]

Politics suck and I tend to not get involved, and never will get involved with voting.

[Prons]

Forget you all I'm voting for Andrew Jackson

[Evil_Koala]

If I could choose one person, it'd be me

One current candidate: Huckabee

One somewhat electable candidate: Romney

[Ken-Ohki]

Bush? Worse than Harrison? I think people need to look at history more. There were also some BAD presidents in the 1800s

[Onigiri]

Sorry guy, but I'm rooting for Mike Gravel.
Even though, he has little chances of winning.

[CrossboneGundam]

The Shah was deposed before Carter was elected.
Which was my entire point with the comment about it.


In the eyes of the American people 1,000,000 Iranians dead is better than 1 dead American

Maybe to you. I don't know any people who think that's a justifiable trade.

As I recall, Iran's former President was a reformist leader seeking ties with the west during both Clinton administrations. It wasn't until the Yale Inner Circle suggested that Amedinejad be placed in the same league as Kim-Jong Il that the current standoff happened.

Iran's president hasn't got any real power, he's just a figurehead to give the appearance of "democracy" existing in Iran, which it doesn't.

People will not think that way 10-20 or even 50 years from now. Bush was also not the most unpopular president ever, Abraham Lincoln was. The passage of time will dull the partisan rancor surrounding Dubya and will be kinder to him than it will be to Mr Peanut.

Last time I checked (yesterday,) most analysts were predicting that the average oil price will be breaking the Carter-era high (adjusted for inflation,) before the end of this winter.

But popularity isn't the issue, it's the effects of Bush's policies and decisions that's being cited as why he's the worst president.

And the Bush administration has already publically engaged in criminal activity, I don't see how the eventual revelations of their secret activities would make them look better.

[Alice Catherine]

Forget you all I'm voting for Andrew Jackson

YES.

ILOVEYOUILOVEYOUILOVEYOU.


Really. Some of our best were in the 10 earliest presidents.


I don't think anything could be a more epic phailure than the Buchanan Administration (in which the Union fell apart and paved the way for the Civil War WHILE HE WATCHED). Which sucks, seeing as he's the only prez from PA.

If Bush can do something worse than letting the Union fall apart, then be my guest and call him the worst.

[Yukimura-Sanada]

Billie Joe Armstrong for President.

[Big Shot]

Check out some clips of his views on the economy, domestic issues, and our foreign policy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BB3NrSpRGE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KoF2jpozWSk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmGtxzHIZEo

[Undrave]

Politics suck and I tend to not get involved, and never will get involved with voting.

If you don't vote then you have NO RIGHT to complain about your government because you did nothing to change it.

If you ask me, not voting is one of the stupidest act ever. You get the chance to vote then GO!

VOTE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRASZ_9nthQ

[Bernard_Monsha]

^while I agree that Iraq will not be the only point history considers in Bush's presidency, Wilson and Roosevelt also had other notable points in their presidencies.

So does Bush, the partison rancor has not died down yet for people to see clearly yet.

Forget you all I'm voting for Andrew Jackson

Yes King Andrew would send the army into Cuba and reclaim the casinos from those dirty redmen.

Andrew Jackson is a perfect example of the rose colored glasses most people look at presdents. In life he was venal, cruel, semi-literate and vengeful. There is, however, the apocryphal story that he invented "OK".

Last time I checked (yesterday,) most analysts were predicting that the average oil price will be breaking the Carter-era high (adjusted for inflation,) before the end of this winter.

That is because there is a genuine demand for oil worldwide rather than Mr. Peanut and company pissing off OPEC.

[Alice Catherine]

Billie Joe Armstrong for President.

No. Oh GOD no. Phail.

[Yukimura-Sanada]

No. Oh GOD no. Phail.

You prefer Tre Cool? that's cool I like him too :P

[Alice Catherine]

You prefer Tre Cool? that's cool I like him too :P

NO.
Real politician plz.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

NO.
Real politician plz.

...Sh*t. i'd vote Leader Desslock for President.

Lobster Friday Nights... EVERY night.

[JoeStrummer]

I like being a Canadian, it's fun to watch empires fall. And our minority government is not close to collapsing, they've survived the last two times, they can do it again

[Caine]

So does Bush, the partison rancor has not died down yet for people to see clearly yet.


true, though I don't think to the degree that Wilson and Roosevelt did. That's more a commentary on the importance of them and the times they lived in than on Bush.

[goddessofanime]

Ross Perot For President!!!!!

[Kenpachi]

I like being a Canadian, it's fun to watch empires fall. And our minority government is not close to collapsing, they've survived the last two times, they can do it again

two words: F*CK. YOU.

I say give Al Gore another chance. we all know that Bush rigged that election.

[Evil_Koala]

two words: F*CK. YOU.

I say give Al Gore another chance. we all know that Bush rigged that election.

HEY I'M AL GORE. I HERD JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE IS BRINGING SEXY BACK...WELL...HERE I AM

ALOLOLOLOLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOLOLOLOOOooooOO OL.

[Kenpachi]

^the mushrooms in your backyard are not meant to be eaten.

[Talon]

I say give Al Gore another chance. we all know that Bush rigged that election.
Yea no. I really wish people would stop whining about Election 2000.

And for the record, Al Gore did NOT invent the internet. And he has the potential to do a worse job than Bush.


I'm super serial.

[Kenpachi]

i got a good suggestion. for the love of everything that is good in this world, DO NOT VOTE FOR HILARY!:blink::x

[Alice Catherine]

...Sh*t. i'd vote Leader Desslock for President.

Lobster Friday Nights... EVERY night.

LD is the exception to the "real politician rule" because he actually has more brain cells than any real politician.

[Big Shot]

"We have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious."

-Thomas Jefferson

[Leader Desslock]

^ That settles it. I'm voting for Thomas Jefferson.

Oh, wait. He's already done it twice, so he's not eligible... Hmmm...

Okay, I'm voting for George Jefferson.

Well, we're movin' on up...

[Yukito Kunisaki]

If you don't vote then you have NO RIGHT to complain about your government because you did nothing to change it.

If you ask me, not voting is one of the stupidest act ever. You get the chance to vote then GO!

VOTE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRASZ_9nthQ

Hey, politics are 90%, if not, more full of complete lies and BS. I see no reason personally. Only thing I can say is if the last name is Bush, I don't want them as a president.

[Alice Catherine]

I'm voting for James Garfield.

O wait...

[Undrave]

Hey, politics are 90%, if not, more full of complete lies and BS. I see no reason personally. Only thing I can say is if the last name is Bush, I don't want them as a president.

Yeah someone in politics is ALWAYS there for their own hide and always has a hidden agenda.

Why don't YOU do something about it then? The reason you give that kind of dark hidden intention to every politician like that is to discredit their accomplishments which make you feel uncomfortable because your own pales before it.

Intersubjectivity. Go read some Sartre kid.

[Big Shot]

^ That settles it. I'm voting for Thomas Jefferson.

Oh, wait. He's already done it twice, so he's not eligible... Hmmm...

Okay, I'm voting for George Jefferson.

Well, we're movin' on up...

It's a shame, cause TJ has the minority vote, lol.

[Samurai Drifter]

^ That settles it. I'm voting for Thomas Jefferson.

Oh, wait. He's already done it twice, so he's not eligible... Hmmm...

Okay, I'm voting for George Jefferson.

Well, we're movin' on up...
You know, even though he's dead, he might be a better choice than most candidates in 2008.

[Big Shot]

Please help donating as much as you can! We're about to beat the record for donations!

ronpauldotcomforwardslashdonate

[Leader Desslock]

^ Of course, the actual record they're breaking is "The Total Number of Dollars Donated to Ron Paul's Campaign". In that sense, every time they get another dollar, the record gets broken. A bit anticlimactic, if you ask me, but if it keeps 'em happy...

There's nothing I can do to help your man Paul. I'm not a registered Republican, so I can't vote for him in the primary. If he makes it on his own steam, he'll be an option I can choose. Until then, him and his politics are off my radar completely.

I'm not a registered Democrat, either.

[animeotaku99]

Ron Paul for gun control WWWWOOOOOOOOOOO

[Big Shot]

^ Of course, the actual record they're breaking is "The Total Number of Dollars Donated to Ron Paul's Campaign". In that sense, every time they get another dollar, the record gets broken. A bit anticlimactic, if you ask me, but if it keeps 'em happy...

There's nothing I can do to help your man Paul. I'm not a registered Republican, so I can't vote for him in the primary. If he makes it on his own steam, he'll be an option I can choose. Until then, him and his politics are off my radar completely.

I'm not a registered Democrat, either.

that record is also John Kerry's back in 04

[Bernard_Monsha]

^ Of course, the actual record they're breaking is "The Total Number of Dollars Donated to Ron Paul's Campaign". In that sense, every time they get another dollar, the record gets broken. A bit anticlimactic, if you ask me, but if it keeps 'em happy...

There's nothing I can do to help your man Paul. I'm not a registered Republican, so I can't vote for him in the primary. If he makes it on his own steam, he'll be an option I can choose. Until then, him and his politics are off my radar completely.

I'm not a registered Democrat, either.

Desslock only votes for Lyndon LaRouche.

[Suiko Eiji]

I'm voting for James Garfield.

O wait...

Yeah, and after narrowly winning the election the first time around, he can be the first President to be assassinated twice.

Though, if we can resurrect people, I wouldn't waste it on Garfield (despite us both being Ohioans) - we need Zombie Goldwater.

In all seriousness, Paul sounds great when it comes to my penchant for reducing the scope of government but he's been in the House for over twenty years and is nothing more than an oddity. If anything, James Traffacant is almost more qualified to run from his prison cell, only because he was of national notoriety before said prison sentence. Also, I'm not big on too many of Paul's protectionist economic policies. With the lead findings in some Chinese manufactured products, I think US companies need to re-evaluate off-shoring their manufacturing but we need to face the fact that the US economy is changing to more and more service oriented sectors and American labor is too expensive and knowledgeable to be tied down to assembly lines for mass productions.

So, I'm not sold. I'm not sold on any candidate from any party. I'm also not terribly enthused about any candidate. It's still too early to really tell where I'll stand.

-- AuH2O

[Kenpachi]

we need another FDR. seriously, he got us out of the great depression and led us through most of WWII . fixing social security, taking care of gas, getting us out of Iraq and all the other crap in this country would be no problem for him.




i once saw a license plate that said "Al Bundy for President".

[kenshinbebop]

Ferris Beuller for '08.

[Kenpachi]

Ferris Beuller for '08.

^NICE! :thumbsup:

[HeroicFool]

This man is seriously the only worthy candidates among all the people that are selling themselves to special interests groups.

His record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

More about Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about/)

Add to the list that ever major White supremacist group supports his run for president and the list becomes a little less appealing.

[Big Shot]

We just passed the record for one day donations for the Republican primary!!!

seriously, if you want the economy fixed, stop all this meddling and nation building, support this man!!!

[Big Shot]

Add to the list that ever major White supremacist group supports his run for president and the list becomes a little less appealing.

I'm part of the hispanic minority, in no way white, yet I have so problem with this. They may have such views on race and society, but still, they're citizens and thus protected by the Constitution. They have a right to participate in this democratic process the same way you and me do, so, that's that.

[Kenpachi]

the only Republican candidate that i would vote for is Giuliani.

[Big Shot]

If you do a little research, Ron Paul's supporters come from many different backgrounds; it's not as monochromatic as some of the neocons and their religious bases, or left loons with their socialist/hippie bases, lol.

[Suiko Eiji]

we need another FDR. seriously, he got us out of the great depression and led us through most of WWII .

No, World War II got us out of the Depression. The Depression worsened as the 30s went on and things did not improve until the late 1940s. If FDR got us out of the Depression, then you need to have him share the honor with Hitler, Hirohito, and Uncle Joe.

A great orator, sure. A good leader? Yeah, in fact, him and Kennedy are the only foreign policy Democrats of the 20th Century I would trust. The problem is, on domestic policy, he's no different than anyone else I see running - from both sides!

fixing social security,

It's ultimately his fault we're in this mess in the first place. The SSA should have been repealed and forgotten about as the 1950s came to a close.

taking care of gas,

No, he'd create some government program to regulate it. Look how well that went over - go back to the Nixon through Carter administrations.

getting us out of Iraq

Most modern Democrats would be appalled with the way he'd fight the war in Iraq. He'd insist on throwing as much money, technology, and manpower as was required to win the war as soon as possible. That would most likely include rounding up American citizens and interring them (again). What would Iraq look like if FDR were at the helm, it'd look like Okinawa - flamethrowers in caves and massive military raids.

[Big Shot]

the only Republican candidate that i would vote for is Giuliani.

Giuliani is probably the WORST candidate out there. Have you seen that idiot speak, EVERY question he's asked, even if it's "what time is it", he'll answer it with "9/11". He's shamelessly exploiting such a tragic event for his own benefit.

[Big Shot]

please donate!

www.ronpaul2008.com/donate

[Animematt55]

Giuliani is probably the WORST candidate out there. Have you seen that idiot speak, EVERY question he's asked, even if it's "what time is it", he'll answer it with "9/11". He's shamelessly exploiting such a tragic event for his own benefit.

nuh huh. The time was actualy 9:11 at night! =P
Reminds me of Family uy when Loius was running for an office.

[Kenpachi]

ok, i see your point. but didnt a bunch of presidents get elected because of people being worried about Communism?

[Animematt55]

^ wouldn't doubt it. During that time they had huge witch hunts for "commies"
You could just point and yell "COMMUNIST" at someone, and their political career is ruined.

[Prons]

Which is ironic considering Hillary Clinton will probably be our next president, and she's as red and vicious as Stalin himself.

[Kenpachi]

similar situation, different time period. Pearl Harbor = japanese and german hatred. post WW2 = communist hatred. 9-11 = muslim hatred.

if Hilary becomes president i will start planning my move out of the country.

[Animematt55]

Which is ironic considering Hillary Clinton will probably be our next president, and she's as red and vicious as Stalin himself.

If he is elected, kiss your "violent" video games, and firearms good-bye, and say hello to a Stalinistic state

[Kenpachi]

and soon after, anime.:blink::crybaby: TAKE THAT B*TCH OUT!!!! :ssj:

[Prons]

if Hilary becomes president i will start planning my move out of the country.

If she's elected, I'm moving too. :)

and soon after, anime.:blink::crybaby:

Yeah once some pedy in Nebraska somewhere kills a little girl and was spotted near an anime once, there goes the anime

[Suiko Eiji]

ok, i see your point. but didnt a bunch of presidents get elected because of people being worried about Communism?

^ wouldn't doubt it. During that time they had huge witch hunts for "commies"
You could just point and yell "COMMUNIST" at someone, and their political career is ruined.

Not quite. The First Red Scare of the 1920s actually deterred people from the Socialist Party of the United States, up to then it was actually a viable third party. It wasn't until the Depression that people against started looking at SPUSA and even CPUSA but with Democrats offering similar responses, they didn't make much headway in the political storm. However, what you're both probably referring to is the Second Red Scare and the McCarthyite Era of the late 1940s and early 1950s. It's pretty white-washed today, people complain about being blacklisted as communists and potential communists and McCarthy going on wild tirades when "in reality, communism's not that bad." What's neglected is that when McCarthy is pointing out "communists", he was actually pointing out named agents or people providing information to agents of the GRU and KGB (which eventually spilled over to other intelligence services). In short, people with high level government clearances providing, knowingly or unknowingly, top secret information right into enemy hands.

[Big Shot]

nuh huh. The time was actualy 9:11 at night! =P
Reminds me of Family uy when Loius was running for an office.

lol, it's cool you got the pun. BTW, that Family Guy episode was a parody of this ********. Seriously, vote with your intellect and conscience, not to "not throw your vote away". Consider a man of integrity like Ron Paul.

[Kenpachi]

seriously, there are enough crazy nerds out there that would be glad to take Hillary out. the problem is that Hilary is a living political joke, much like our current presidential administration. the biggest reason why people want her is because many of the women in this country want a female president just for that fact.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Not quite. The First Red Scare of the 1920s actually deterred people from the Socialist Party of the United States, up to then it was actually a viable third party. It wasn't until the Depression that people against started looking at SPUSA and even CPUSA but with Democrats offering similar responses, they didn't make much headway in the political storm. However, what you're both probably referring to is the Second Red Scare and the McCarthyite Era of the late 1940s and early 1950s. It's pretty white-washed today, people complain about being blacklisted as communists and potential communists and McCarthy going on wild tirades when "in reality, communism's not that bad." What's neglected is that when McCarthy is pointing out "communists", he was actually pointing out named agents or people providing information to agents of the GRU and KGB (which eventually spilled over to other intelligence services). In short, people with high level government clearances providing, knowingly or unknowingly, top secret information right into enemy hands.

People still refuse to call Castro/Chavez/Mao a dictator, they refuse to see anything Walter Duranty did was wrong, so why would they point out McCarthy was right? It has been 50 years and people still villify the man yet they praise Che Guevara like the second comeing. It shows one thing, people have been and always will be stupid.

[Big Shot]

3.5 million in one day!!!!!

over 30 thousand contributors, and an average of 108 dollars!!!!!!

This is REAL support, helps us increase it!!!!!!

[Prons]

It's gonna be real awkward because he's not gonna be picked as nominee.

[Big Shot]

He will *la lala lalalalalala can't hear you lalala*

Seriously though, the amount of people helping out is huge compare to the other candidates'.

[Caine]

Why all the hate on Hillary? I mean, she's not the most compelling candidate, but what makes her worse than any of the others? Most of what I've heard against her is either ad hominem or hyperbolic strawman.

[Big Shot]

Why all the hate on Hillary? I mean, she's not the most compelling candidate, but what makes her worse than any of the others? Most of what I've heard against her is either ad hominem or hyperbolic strawman.

1. She voted for the war.
2. She voted for the establishment and subsequent expansions of the Patriot Act.
3. She avoids stating that she will bring the troops home from Iraq by the end of her first term.
4. She's for increasing this bloated and inefficient federal government.
5. She's for abortion (although many of Ron's supported are for it too), I'm against that.
6. She's GREATLY influenced by special interest groups.
7. She's for EVEN MORE government spending without any consideration to our humongous debt (which is in trillions of dollars right now).
etc.

Is that enough? Please support a candidate with integrity and an ACTUAL PLAN. Vote for Ron Paul.

[Prons]

8) She's a socialist.

[Leader Desslock]

Eh, Hillary's just the biggest target at the moment, so she gets the lion's share of the hate.

In all honesty, I have to say that I'm not enamored with any of the candidates at all. So far, the race is down to "picking the least of the evils". That'll change in the coming year, but right now I'd just as soon pick "none of the above".

On the democrat side, I'd probably go for Clinton, just because I have such an incredibly low opinion of Edwards (who I liken to a Democratic Dan Quayle without the honesty or convictions) and Obama, who I think would have all the effectiveness in office of Jimmy Carter.

On the other side of the aisle, I'd probably stick with John McCain. Giuliani is selling snake oil, Fred Thompson is ... no..., and Huckabee and Romney just make me laugh. The last time I voted my for a longshot candidate was Ross Perot, so unless someone assassinates all of the other candidates, Ron Paul is completely off the radar.

Here's a fun group: http://www.prohibition.org/

Funny thing is, they've got typos in their platform statements. :lol: Yeah, I guess they're out of the running until they hire a proofreader.


I say this every four years, but maybe Pat Paulsen's time has come.
...
What? He died in 1997? DAMN it!

Ah, the hell with it. Wake me when it's over.

[Big Shot]

We ****ing kicked *** last night!!!!!!!!!

Over four million raised in less of 24 hours!!!!!!

[Big Shot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPiBWU57jAA

^this is what it's all about.

[Haru!]

This man is seriously the only worthy candidates among all the people that are selling themselves to special interests groups.

His record:

He has never voted to raise taxes.
He has never voted for an unbalanced budget.
He has never voted for a federal restriction on gun ownership.
He has never voted to raise congressional pay.
He has never taken a government-paid junket.
He has never voted to increase the power of the executive branch.

He voted against the Patriot Act.
He voted against regulating the Internet.
He voted against the Iraq war.

He does not participate in the lucrative congressional pension program.
He returns a portion of his annual congressional office budget to the U.S. treasury every year.

More about Ron Paul (http://www.ronpaul2008.com/about/)


Who the hell are you and why should I care? Are you the official patsy of Ron Paul?

[Big Shot]

1. I've been in this forum longer than you, so who the **** are you?
2. If you want a better future for you and your loved ones, you SHOULD care.
3. No, I don't work for his campaign, just a guy that's trying to spread the word, don't like, don't click the ****in' thread, lol.

[Suiko Eiji]

8) She's a socialist.

Bump that up to #1.

[Big Shot]

The mainstream media's going crazy with what we've done!!!!!!!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5278017.html

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=3822989&page=1

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2007/11/ron-paul-says-1.html

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071106/ap_on_el_pr/paul_fundraising_20

http://www.usadaily.com/article.cfm?articleID=151026

http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2007/11/05/ron-paul-gets-money-love-in-fund-raising-drive/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308404,00.html

[Leader Desslock]

All you've done is raise a bunch of money in one day, for one candidate who's so far off the bottom of the polls that none of the other candidates considers him a serious threat. But that bunch of money is pretty small, when you consider how much other candidates have already spent, and how much they each have left to spend.

A one-day flash in the pan is just that. A flash. Its enough to say "ooo... pretty!", but nothing to get too excited about.

To get the nomination, Paul's supporters are gonna have to offer more than "he's not the other guys", which seems to be at the core of this little Guy Fawkes rebellion. They're gonna have to document his stands on various policy issues, get his message out, and educate people on why Paul's policies stand a better chance of success than those of his opposition.

I have yet to see that. All I see is "Ooo... a flash!" and "He's not the other guys!"

I'm not excited by the fact he raised money. I'll be excited when that money is used to convince the voting public that Ron Paul is the right man for the job. Until then, I suggest that you've got your work cut out for you, and you should take your message someplace where it can do some good, which is somewhere with a higher percentage of registered voters than an anime forum.

Or you can continue to post here, and hope against all evidence to the contrary that AN's at the crossroads of the political scene. Doesn't matter to me, since as I've said, the guy's not even on my radar yet.

[Big Shot]

I started this thread as a way to get people here interested on the man's views. We're at the 9th page of it, and even though there's rants and idiocy (lol), you keep contributing to it. From what I read on your post, you're the sort of person that votes with whoever's popular, or don't want to "throw your vote away". You mentioned that he doesn't have as much as the other candidates; are you aware that their donation have been going down dramatically, many of them are seriously in debt, and have even resorted to loans in order to appear to have financial support? I understand that this isn't the haven for intellectual discussion, but still, I feel the need to spread the word to those forums I frequent the most, that's part of the grassroots effort of the entire community.

[Prons]

It kind of bothers me that in the future elections will be decided on how big of an internet meme someone is

[RPGQueen]

I'm not American but I love American politics, which is way more interesting than my own. Having looked at all the potentail candidates, I think he's the best one.

[Leader Desslock]

I started this thread as a way to get people here interested on the man's views.
Right. People here. Quite a lot of the high school crowd. I don't think Alice Catherine's quite ripe enough to vote yet, and she's not the only one.

From what I read on your post, you're the sort of person that votes with whoever's popular, or don't want to "throw your vote away".
That's your projection. As a point of fact, I vote for whoever I think is the right person for the job, within reason. But I also have to take reality into account.

Let's say there's three candidates, named A, B and C. I think that A is clearly the right person for the job, but on election day, he's only got 1% popular support in the polls. I don't really like B or C, but of the two, I think that B is merely inceompetent, while C is a nutcase that's gonna be bad for the economy and world peace in general. As it turns out, B and C are running neck and neck at 40% in the polls, with the remaining 9% undecided.

Who am I gonna vote for? Probably B. Why? Because I want to limit the damage. A's not gonna win, and if too many of B's votes go to A, then C's gonna get in office and we've got 4 years of Senor Psycho to look forward to.

Am I jaded? Sure. But that's political reality, and if you take a look around that idealistic soap box you're standing on, you'll see that the above scenario is a very realistic possibility in the 2008 election.

Now, I am absolutely not telling you this to make you give up on ol' Ron. You think he's the man? Great! The reason I'm telling you this is because if you want your guy to even get into the final election where I can vote for him, you've got a long hill to climb.

I mean, congratulations on having one good day, but one good day doesn't mean jack. You've got to have another 200 days just as good before your man is gonna be anywhere near catching that Republican nomination next September. 'Cause if that don't happen, I'm never gonna see his name on a ballot anyway, and this good day you're celebrating ain't gonna mean much.

And yet, all I've really heard so far is "ooo... a good day" and "he's not the other guys". I'm not just talking about you, here. I really don't see a lot else coming out of anywhere. My sole impressions are that Paul seems pretty smart, and he seems like a fairly honest guy. That's great, but with the exception of Edwards, I think the rest of the candidates are just as intelligent, even if they're not quite so honest.

So get the word out there, by all means - but do it effectively. The fact that he and his supporters had a good day means zero, unless you think my vote will be decided by peer pressure. Get out there, forget about bashing the other guys with these "they voted for Iraq" or "they approved the Patriot Act" things, then tell the voting public exactly how your man's abilities are going to lead this country out of the mess it's in. The country is in dire need of effective leadership, and all evidence points to your man functioning best in an advisory capacity, rather than in the big chair. His image is that of an academic. That's kind of appealing to the counterculture folks who're tired of professional politicians running things into the ground, but all it really says to me as a voter is "he's not the other guys".

You're his supporter. This is feedback from the voting public whose vote you need to court. Show us why Paul's the one to get the job done, or else... well, with all due respect, we're probably gonna vote for the Least Incompetent Candidate in 2008.

Or don't. But if he doesn't have that kind of support from his followers, then why should he get it from the rest of us? Pass that along to the rest of the Ron Paul network. Assuming you and the gang do your jobs well enough by next September, maybe I might even be able to consider him. But as I said, if hes not on the ballot by next November, it's not gonna matter anyway, is it?

Good luck.

[Rican X7]

Republicans need to run Condoleezza against Hilary then lets see who would win. I think Hilary might win just because people will be getting hype about the fact that she could be the 1st woman president in US history.. but if she does win i have already informed my parents that my friend's parents own 2 houses in Canada so we can move into one of them.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...yeah, but aside from that...

what is he gonna for us Filipinos living here? we basically control Health Care in ALL its aspects...

[dothacker5]

I started this thread as a way to get people here interested on the man's views. We're at the 9th page of it, and even though there's rants and idiocy (lol), you keep contributing to it. From what I read on your post, you're the sort of person that votes with whoever's popular, or don't want to "throw your vote away". You mentioned that he doesn't have as much as the other candidates; are you aware that their donation have been going down dramatically, many of them are seriously in debt, and have even resorted to loans in order to appear to have financial support? I understand that this isn't the haven for intellectual discussion, but still, I feel the need to spread the word to those forums I frequent the most, that's part of the grassroots effort of the entire community.

Arguing with Desslock is like Self-Felatio it's damn impossible. No matter how you
slice it, just because you think someone is right for the job doesn't everyone else is entitled to your opinion. When I can afford it and I'm above 18 I'm moving from america since all I see is a self destructive machine of stupidity and lies.

[Leader Desslock]

^ I'm not even arguing with him. I'm just telling him that the approach he's taking will not be anywhere near sufficient to convince voters like myself to vote for his man. Since I assume that he would like to reach voters like myself (unaffiliated voters with no prior party/candidate allegiance), I'm telling him what it would take (on his part) to do that.

If he doesn't want to hear what people like me have to say, that's entirely his concern.

But let's take a look at that $4 million, shall we? Mitt Romney's raised more than eleven times that much (over time or in one day doesn't really matter, does it?), as well as contributed more than four times that much of his own personal money, with more to come.

Back in the day, Ross Perot dumped something like $60 million of his own money, bought half-hour time slots during prime-time TV, and organized a grass-roots movement that was quite literally everywhere you looked. Everyone knew who he was (a hand grenade with a bad haircut), and what he stood for. Nobody said, "Ross who?" You knew. At one point, he led the polls among all three candiates. Like Paul, he was anti-establishment. And on election day, how did he do? He finished first in exactly one district in the country. Mine.

Thus far, Ron Paul's got nothing near what Ross Perot had for backing. So how excited can I get for him? Not very. If he's the right man for the job, I wish him success. But right now, whether he's the right man or not, he's not going to find out unless his followers get the message out very, very effectively over the next nine-ten months. Saying "he's not the other guys" on predominantly teen internet forums ain't gonna cut it.

I didn't really post much in this thread at first, because, you know... let the guy have his say. You bet. But now that he's had his say and it's been little more than slogans, I'm telling him as politely as possible that I need more to go on. A lot more.

[Caine]

It kind of bothers me that in the future elections will be decided on how big of an internet meme someone is

wait, you mean this is a bad thing?

Right. People here. Quite a lot of the high school crowd. I don't think Alice Catherine's quite ripe enough to vote yet, and she's not the only one.


That's your projection. As a point of fact, I vote for whoever I think is the right person for the job, within reason. But I also have to take reality into account.

Let's say there's three candidates, named A, B and C. I think that A is clearly the right person for the job, but on election day, he's only got 1% popular support in the polls. I don't really like B or C, but of the two, I think that B is merely inceompetent, while C is a nutcase that's gonna be bad for the economy and world peace in general. As it turns out, B and C are running neck and neck at 40% in the polls, with the remaining 9% undecided.

Who am I gonna vote for? Probably B. Why? Because I want to limit the damage. A's not gonna win, and if too many of B's votes go to A, then C's gonna get in office and we've got 4 years of Senor Psycho to look forward to.

Am I jaded? Sure. But that's political reality, and if you take a look around that idealistic soap box you're standing on, you'll see that the above scenario is a very realistic possibility in the 2008 election.


now, this raises a few quesitons
1) Please tell me that those numbers you gave in your example refer to the numbers in your state.
Firstly, the only numbers that matter for you are those in your state. Secondly, I'll assume you live in a different state, so when there are 3 candidates and only 90%(40+40+1+9) of the vote, I don't need to wonder what happened to 10% of the population of my state.
2) Mind telling us who you think is the quite possible senor phsycho for 2008?

[Leader Desslock]

when there are 3 candidates and only 90%(40+40+1+9) of the vote, I don't need to wonder what happened to 10% of the population of my state.
Ummm.... ten percent don't vote. Which, in my home state, is probably a good thing, as 25% can't read. Either that, or I just grabbed the stats arbitrarily from a poll, omitting the "other" and "none of the above" options.

2) Mind telling us who you think is the quite possible senor phsycho for 2008?
That would turn this into a partisan thread, which would get it locked. it wouldn't matter who I picked, SOMEONE would flame back, and I don't want to go there. As long as I limit myself to "some suggestions if you want to promote your candidate", I think I'm on sufficiently neutral ground for AN.

Well, okay... I did call Edwards "a democratic Dan Quayle without the honesty or convictions", but I thought the guy was a moron back when he was the VP candidate and Cheney mopped the floor with him. If the election came down to Edwards vs. an inanimate carbon rod, I don't hide the fact that I'd vote for the latter. I mean... they're all liars, but Edwards isn't even a good one. If Edwards gets the nomination, I'll vote Republican no matter who's ...

Okay, this is a scary thought. Imagine an election between Mitt Romney and John Edwards. This would be like having to choose between Dan Quayle and Michael Dukakis. No, this isnt even worth contemplating. BOTH parties can't possibly nominate Epic Fail Guy, can they? CAN THEY?!

*sigh* As I said, I don't really like any of the candidates so far. Let's leave it at that. It's too depressing to continue.

[Caine]

Ummm.... ten percent don't vote. Which, in my home state, is probably a good thing, as 25% can't read.

I just figured you made up the numbers and didn't bother to check for correct math. If I'm wrong, tell me where you live that you get 90% turnout. (and why its a good thing that more than half the illiterate people vote)


That would turn this into a partisan thread,

because its not like this thread is about a specific candidate or anything...
surely we haven't engaged in any hillary bashing...

nah, nothing partisan to see here. move along.


which would get it locked. it wouldn't matter who I picked, SOMEONE would flame back, and I don't want to go there. As long as I limit myself to "some suggestions if you want to promote your candidate", I think I'm on sufficiently neutral ground for AN.

Well, okay... I did call Edwards "a democratic Dan Quayle without the honesty or convictions", but I thought the guy was a moron back when he was the VP candidate and Cheney mopped the floor with him. If the election came down to Edwards vs. an inanimate carbon rod, I don't hide the fact that I'd vote for the latter. I mean... they're all liars, but Edwards isn't even a good one. If Edwards gets the nomination, I'll vote Republican no matter who's ...

Okay, this is a scary thought. Imagine an election between Mitt Romney and John Edwards. This would be like having to choose between Dan Quayle and Michael Dukakis. No, this isnt even worth contemplating. BOTH parties can't possibly nominate Epic Fail Guy, can they? CAN THEY?!

*sigh* As I said, I don't really like any of the candidates so far. Let's leave it at that. It's too depressing to continue.

*starts application to University of Toronto*

[Leader Desslock]

I just figured you made up the numbers and didn't bother to check for correct math.
Yep. It was purely for illustrative purposes. I was trying to say, "if voting for a qualified longshot increases the risk of the greater of two evils geting in office, then I'll vote for the lesser of two evils instead."

*starts application to University of Toronto*
After the outcome of the last presidential election, I honestly did research the process for becoming a Canadian citizen. Sad, but true.

[Soluzar]

Okay, this is a scary thought. Imagine an election between Mitt Romney and John Edwards. This would be like having to choose between Dan Quayle and Michael Dukakis. No, this isnt even worth contemplating. BOTH parties can't possibly nominate Epic Fail Guy, can they? CAN THEY?!
Was the choice last time around really any better? I'm no fan of George W. Bush, but I believe he was the best of bad choices in both of the elections he has won. I certainly do believe the Democrats will have to do better than Al Gore or John Kerry to get elected in the future.

If they can't do better than those two, then welcome to the one-party system. Please note that this should not be taken as a partisan posting, since I don't approve of any of the recent candidates. I'm criticising both sides, although not in equal measure. I can throw up another Republican I don't approve of if anyone would like me to even the balance.

Since I'm not an American, it matters not in the long run.

[Bernard_Monsha]

It kind of bothers me that in the future elections will be decided on how big of an internet meme someone is

What is funny is those donations are not coming from the people voting in the primaries. His numbers have not moved at all in the polls which makes me think it is mostly the Howard Dean/Ralph Nader Greenies donating trying to disrupt the Republican party organ.

[Big Shot]

the polls are fixed

[Leader Desslock]

^ Ah, yes. If the polls showed Ron Paul in the lead by a two-digit spread, you'd be jumping up and down about how well your man is doing. Since his poll numbers are in the sub-basement, they must be fixed.

Your boy's a longshot, by any objective measure. You're not gonna be able to change that if you don't first admit it and act accordingly.

[Bernard_Monsha]

^

Of course, the Bildaburgers and Trilateralist are meeting with Skull and Bones in the Mason Lodge in the center of the Washington DC power spot to fix the polls against Ron Paul by calling Greys and reptiles to influence pollsters by the flouride in toothpaste! Man Desslock I thought you knew how the government worked!

[Sora N]

Sorry...however I'm not a Republican....:P

[Animematt55]

^

Of course, the Bildaburgers and Trilateralist are meeting with Skull and Bones in the Mason Lodge in the center of the Washington DC power spot to fix the polls against Ron Paul by calling Greys and reptiles to influence pollsters by the flouride in toothpaste! Man Desslock I thought you knew how the government worked!
I just saw a video on the Bildaburgers. Kinda scared me.
Seeing on the issues, I could vote for Ron Paul. But I will end up doing what Desslock says, and try to minimize damage

[Leader Desslock]

I just saw a video on the Bildaburgers. Kinda scared me.
Wait... you mean that wasn't just a silly name he made up?

<researches>

Oh, geez. This is why I don't listen to Coast to Coast AM... :rolleyes:

[Animematt55]

Wait... you mean that wasn't just a silly name he made up?

<researches>

Oh, geez. This is why I don't listen to Coast to Coast AM... :rolleyes:

HAHA
While I do think it is a bit extreme, I think it is quite possible for corporations to control the government

[Suiko Eiji]

Oh, geez. This is why I don't listen to Coast to Coast AM... :rolleyes:

Even though I've only listened to it once, I found it to be fairly entertaining. Full of whack jobs and lunacy, Gejutsuka might have even called it "binky", but entertaining enough to keep my friend and I awake as we drove through Kentucky, Tennessee, and down to Atlanta.

Back on topic ... C2CAM is more popular than Paul's campaign.

[Leader Desslock]

^ It's true. C2CAM has an estimated 4.5 million listeners. Paul's "big day" only had 36,672 folks donating.

[Prons]

wait, you mean this is a bad thing?


Have you seen some of the other crap the internet has made popular? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haruhi_Suzumiya

I swear the internet is going to make voting into American Idol.

[Caine]

^you realize I was being sarcastic, right?

[Bernard_Monsha]

Oh, geez. This is why I don't listen to Coast to Coast AM... :rolleyes:


You mean you don't want to see Mel's hole (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mel's_Hole)?

To add more fuel to the Ron Paul fire.

Paul Returns Donations From Stolen Cards (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/11/08/politics/main3472781.shtml)

(CBS) The presidential campaign of Texas Rep. Ron Paul received donations from overseas thieves using stolen credit cards, reports CBS station KTVT in Dallas/Fort Worth.

Investigators at Frost Bank discovered that the stolen cards were being used to make $5 contributions to the Paul campaign, in an apparent attempt to test the cards.

Frost Bank refunded money from nearly 100 customers and canceled all 500 of the credit cards that had been stolen from the bank. The Paul campaign tells CBSNews.com it has refunded to the bank the donations from the stolen cards, which amout to about $3,000.

Though Paul's poll numbers in his quest for the Republican presidential nomination are low, his fundraising has been robust. On Monday he raised $4.2 million, a higher one-day total than any Republican hopeful thus far.

Kerri Price, assistant director of communications for the Paul campaign, noted that the donations from the stolen cards represent "a very small percentage of money that was brought in."

"We don't know anything about the criminals that did this," she said, adding that the tactic was "fairly common with identity thieves."

Added Paul spokesman Jesse Benton: "Ron Paul does not have anything to do with this."

[Big Shot]

Please help out the campaign with any amount!

ronpaul2008.com

[Leader Desslock]

Since zero is technically an amount, I've done my part.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Please help out the campaign with any amount!

ronpaul2008.com

Does it bother you that the WN is backing Ron Paul as a candidate?

[CrossboneGundam]

Does it bother you that the WN is backing Ron Paul as a candidate?

Apparently not.

Also Ron Paul needs to donate some money to me if he wants my vote.

[master terrence]

I'm probably going to vote for the strongest candidate in the green party, the stronger the numbers the stronger the party gets :)

[CrossboneGundam]

I'm probably going to vote for the strongest candidate in the green party, the stronger the numbers the stronger the party gets :)

Unrealistic expectations/naive optimism.

Also "3rd party" politics is still party politics.