Rapper TI arrested on machine gun charges

[Fobb]

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-- Rapper T.I. was arrested on federal gun charges just hours before he was scheduled to perform at the BET Hip Hop Awards, according to federal authorities.
The entertainer, whose real name is Clifford Harris, was arrested in a federal sting Saturday after his bodyguard-turned-informant delivered three machine guns and two silencers to the hip-hop star, according to a Justice Department statement.

Source (http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Music/10/13/rapper.arrested/index.html)

[earsofdoom]

Though Obviously some stupid stunt to gain some "Street Cred" maybe he'll get the judge whom sentenced Paris Hilton and He'll make it stick this time. I can only hope.

[Westlo]

Yeah stockpiling weapons while on parole is a stupid stunt for publicy and cred, never mind the facts that's he one of the most well known rappers atm and has tons of street cred.

Stupid? In every way possible. Stunt? lol. Cya in 10 years T.I

Ja Rule and Fabolous getting busted with a handgun while they have clean sheets is a stupid publicly stunt. Buying a massive arsenal of high caliber weaponry while on parole and having already been to jail is no publicly stunt.

[Fobb]

TI's Guns of choice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZolU5M1jpc)


All I gotta say is damn.

[Haru!]

I have no idea who this guy is, but he sounds like a moron.

[Ikari Warrior]

Yo, you gotta keep yoself stocked on gats. u nevr kno when u gonna bus' a cap wif mah mind on money and mah money on mah mind!

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...sheesh. what's he trying to do, make an armory? these celebs and their guns.

leave that to the rednecks, please.

[earsofdoom]

...sheesh. what's he trying to do, make an armory? these celebs and their guns.

leave that to the rednecks, please.

Nah, he's running for president of the NRA.

[Midoriko87]

A family member of his was in my AP Eng. Comp. class. She's changed her Myspace name to somethin' about Snitches being so-and-so's... :lol: These kids nowadays!!

Anywho, pretty stupid... Then again, a few members of his entourage were shot (1 killed) last year by angry (jealous) club-goers.

[Animematt55]

TI's Guns of choice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZolU5M1jpc)


All I gotta say is damn.

I am wondering if those are actually "machine guns" as in, fully automatic weapons.
The media are idiots when it comes to firearms, but he did supposedly spend a lot of them, so they just might be full auto.
A family member of his was in my AP Eng. Comp. class. She's changed her Myspace name to somethin' about Snitches being so-and-so's... :lol: These kids nowadays!!

Anywho, pretty stupid... Then again, a few members of his entourage were shot (1 killed) last year by angry (jealous) club-goers.

Jeez, that whole "dont snitch" thing? That should be illegal. Threatening a witness infact, IS illegal.
Also...if only one was killed...people need to learn to shoot better.

[soulreaper]

I hope he gets an appropriate sentence, but I can already predict the racial flame-baiting response that would be met with.

Also...if only one was killed...people need to learn to shoot better.

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[Animematt55]

I hope he gets an appropriate sentence, but I can already predict the racial flame-baiting response that would be met with.

jesse jackson better keep his mouth shut about this

[animeotaku99]

jesse jackson better keep his mouth shut about this

Don't forget Al SHarpton

[Alice Catherine]

A family member of his was in my AP Eng. Comp. class. She's changed her Myspace name to somethin' about Snitches being so-and-so's... :lol: These kids nowadays!!



*facepalm to the 50th power*
I hate this generation. So much.


That's not nearly as bad as the girl that came up to me and said I was racist against cheerleaders today in choir.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

Don't forget Al SHarpton

...and Johnny Cochran's ghost.

[Leader Desslock]

It's an interesting world where one earns "street cred" by being a complete idiot. I guess I'm not hip, because I thought the good criminals (the ones smart enough to get away with it and stay out of jail) were the ones with the credibility.

Has this subculture gone so far downhill that they have to look up to blithering incompetents as role models?

[Animematt55]

It's an interesting world where one earns "street cred" by being a complete idiot. I guess I'm not hip, because I thought the good criminals (the ones smart enough to get away with it and stay out of jail) were the ones with the credibility.

Has this subculture gone so far downhill that they have to look up to blithering incompetents as role models?

I dont get it either. I have more 'respect" for the criminal that can play the system, and get away with things (mafia anyone?) than some punk on the streets begging to get arrested

[Ariel Tsuki]

It's an interesting world where one earns "street cred" by being a complete idiot. I guess I'm not hip, because I thought the good criminals (the ones smart enough to get away with it and stay out of jail) were the ones with the credibility.

Has this subculture gone so far downhill that they have to look up to blithering incompetents as role models?

This isn't about street cred in this case, it's a classic case of "you can get the boy out of the ghetto, but can't get the ghetto out of the boy", really. If I'm correct, he came from the ghetto and ran around with some gangs and all. It's not surprising you will find rappers loaded in some way because there ARE people trying to kill you if you get too popular, take a look at Tupac and Biggie, and Jam Master Jay.

Unforunately, the rap culture is too emersed with the gang culture as well. It's very common to find a rapper who was a former ganbanger. Stuff like that don't completely leave you unfortunately. And sometimes being associated with a certain rapper can get you killed.

Also the hyper macho attitude that rappers try to implify plays a factor. The harder you are, the more respected and popular you get among your audience and peers, which usually lead to some stupid decision later down the road. That happened with Tupac and other rappers who had clean records and didn't run around with gangs.

And the 'no snitching' thing is stupid, but I can see why there is a such thing. It's no new thing that there's always been tension between the cops and Black people living in the ghetto. And all that distrust, especially when something event like Sean Bell happens, encourage such a practice to start and flourish.

And please, Al Shapton will not be at his side. Shapton and other civil right activitists are against rappers like TI and tried to stop rap from being a cesspool like it's now, but you can't do anything when a majority of your buyers are teenage white kids from the suburbs. And TI will not be the first or last rapper thrown in jail because of illegal guns (Shyne is still serving time for that).

[Animematt55]

^ I dont think people are trying to kill you cause you are a popular rapper. They are trying to kill you cause you are a rival gang member.
Lets face it...these idiots sing about trying to get out of the ghetto, but when they do, they continue to associate with their fellow gang members.

and no snitching isnt about cops vs. blacks. It is about some idiots keeping criminals ON the streets.
I remember watching Dallas SWAT, and they busted a crack house. The people around them were about to attack the police they were so mad. WHO WANTS A CRACK HOUSE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD!!??

[GreatNekoKoneko]

... the whole thing is just silly, really. the cops are just doing their job of reaching their quota of putting black rappers in jail for stupid S like this.

makes their day.

[Evil_Koala]

AIGHT T.I...IMMA SHOW YA HOW TO DO DIS, SON!

T.I owns y'all. MACHINE GUNS = Win.

[Westlo]

T.I is going to say it was T.I.P who did it, not him.

[Tidusauron12]

Yayz! Let's celebrate!

[Evil_Koala]

Yayz! Let's celebrate!

You know you like T.I

BIG **** POPPIN?

[Midoriko87]

^ I dont think people are trying to kill you cause you are a popular rapper. They are trying to kill you cause you are a rival gang member.

Well, the guys that killed TI's buddy last year weren't from a rival gang; some dudes got mad, 'cause during a performance, TI's clique threw money at the audience. I would made a joke, but... I'm far too mature for that sort of thing.

T.I is going to say it was T.I.P who did it, not him.

:lol: That T.I.P is one sick mother!!

Anywho, TI is quite popular, already. He really doesn't need to be arrested to heighten his fame.

Holy Balls, is that Desslock?!! Are there NO GODS?!!

[Animematt55]

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Well, the guys that killed TI's buddy last year weren't from a rival gang; some dudes got mad, 'cause during a performance, TI's clique threw money at the audience. I would made a joke, but... I'm far too mature for that sort of thing.


so they got mad cause someone was throwing free money at them?
Dang, this gang/rapper culture makes no sense to me

[Westlo]

Anywho, TI is quite popular, already. He really doesn't need to be arrested to heighten his fame.

Exactly, he's only behind Kanye, Jay-z, 50 cent, eminem and maybe ludacris in terms of who can put up bigger opening week figures. Not to mention publicity stunts are done generally before albums are released and at no real risk of jail time.

[Gannon]

Since when did an anorexic sex symbol become street credibile in the first place?

[Midoriko87]

so they got mad cause someone was throwing free money at them?
Dang, this gang/rapper culture makes no sense to me

I know, right?!! Do you know how much *** I would shake to... :uhh: I mean, if I had much *** to begin with... :unsure: Damn this ripped male phsyique!! Food stamps would also be acceptable... :|

Since when did anorexic sex symbol become street credibile in the first place?

Why you such a hater, Gannon? You must be a snitch or somethin'. <_< And, he's not anorexic, he... *snorts Coca Cola* is just ectomorphic. :shifty: Although, I guess, Coca Cola... Nevermind.

[Fobb]

T.I is going to say it was T.I.P who did it, not him.

lol win


I doubt it has anything to do with street cred, and if it wasn't for his bodyguard looking for a way out of being sentenced, he wouldn't be in this situation.


And also, I doubt Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton will be rushing to his aide. They're usually quick to blame everything on rap music anyways.

[tofuman]

TI was probably going to pull one hell of a drive-by. Seriously, what does he need that many guns for? He's just trying to play gangster.

[Ariel Tsuki]

TI was probably going to pull one hell of a drive-by. Seriously, what does he need that many guns for? He's just trying to play gangster.

Nah, there's usually a reason to buy all those firearms. They usually buy them for protection.

^ I dont think people are trying to kill you cause you are a popular rapper. They are trying to kill you cause you are a rival gang member.
Lets face it...these idiots sing about trying to get out of the ghetto, but when they do, they continue to associate with their fellow gang members.

and no snitching isnt about cops vs. blacks. It is about some idiots keeping criminals ON the streets.
I remember watching Dallas SWAT, and they busted a crack house. The people around them were about to attack the police they were so mad. WHO WANTS A CRACK HOUSE IN THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD!!??

Au contaire. This is prolly why Jam Master Jay got killed since he was helping one aspiring rapper with an album and this rapper was suspected to be in a gang. Plus living in one of the worst Brooklyn neighborhoods and living pretty much next door to the worst neighborhood of them all, you do see this kinda thing happening. Now my old neighborhood calmed down considerably since there was a gun ring bust a few years back, now there's cops everywhere. But anyway, the last funeral my family went to was this young kid who got killed because some fool tried to kill his friend, because of some gang mess, killed him instead because he was that gangbanger's friend.

But to quote Biggie, "The mo' money you get, the mo' problems you'll get". If you were a former gangbanger, that history will follow you forever, basically. So if your former rivals or former allies see you get richer, you expect one of them to come after your head after a while. It's crazy, I know.

And the no-snitching culture IS moronic, but if the cops and the community that don't support such a stupid want to beat it, they have to join together.

so they got mad cause someone was throwing free money at them?
Dang, this gang/rapper culture makes no sense to me

It depends on how they did it, although it looks like a classic case of jealousy gone wrong.

[Fobb]

I dunno, I interpret the stop snitching thing in a different way.


And the quote was actually "Mo Money Mo Problems" but you got your point across.

[goddessofanime]

Another day, another rapper arrested.....


I don't really like T.I.

[Haro!]

Part of me wants to say "Good for him" but at the same time I guess I sympathize with him. Sure he probably shouldn't have had gotten machine guns, yet this was Atlanta. Atlanta is scary.

[Fobb]

It was in retaliation for someone murdering his friend/bodyguard. I guess some of me sorta sympathizes with him, but hell, still screwed up.

[Animematt55]

You know....in a number of states you can actually legally buy everything he had. Of course you couldnt be a felon (which is what he was charged with).
They are very expensive, and they also require a $200 tax stamp. A lot of red tape, but they are perfectly legal

[Midoriko87]

yet this was Atlanta. Atlanta is scary.

How so? Well, time to fill some space... Pee Pee... that is all.

[MaliceDR]

How so? Well, time to fill some space... Pee Pee... that is all.

Have you ever been there? Pickup trucks and country music and native Americans with baseball bats! Watch out!

And the filler... wtf is wrong with you? :p

[Haro!]

How so? Well, time to fill some space... Pee Pee... that is all.

Now not so?! Granted its not as scary as Newark but still.

[Kenpachi]

*facepalm to the 50th power*
I hate this generation. So much.


That's not nearly as bad as the girl that came up to me and said I was racist against cheerleaders today in choir.

that, is one, seriously, dumb b*tch. pretty much EVERYONE wants to be a ganster these days.

[Alice Catherine]

Now not so?! Granted its not as scary as Newark but still.

Man, my mom and dad grew up in Newark/Harrison/Kearney and we still go up there to visit family. Scary goddamn place both day and night.
Once I made the mistake of walking to the hotel parking lot alone. I will NEVER do that again...

[Kenpachi]

New Jersey is getting full of more and more gangs. i live here. its getting bad. but up here in the sticks we have a SERIOUS white trash problem. there are also blacks vs spanish fights in a bunch of the schools now. in the COUNTRY.

good thing im moving out of here next year.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

New Jersey is getting full of more and more gangs. i live here. its getting bad. but up here in the sticks we have a SERIOUS white trash problem. there are also blacks vs spanish fights in a bunch of the schools now. in the COUNTRY.

good thing im moving out of here next year.

...Newark isn't so bad... as long as you're in a tank with a shotgun.

[Animematt55]

...Newark isn't so bad... as long as you're in a tank with a shotgun.

You can't own or carry firearms in New Jersey I thought. Which is one reason for so much crime.

[Alice Catherine]

...Newark isn't so bad... as long as you're in a tank with a shotgun.

This is truth.

[Leader Desslock]

You can't own or carry firearms in New Jersey I thought. Which is one reason for so much crime.
You can own firearms in NJ, and you can transport them. You can buy them and sell them. There are simply different regulations on how to do this.

NJ is mighty strict on guns, I'll grant you, but to say "you can't own or carry" is a vast oversimplification, bordering on NRA scare tactic propaganda. Of course you can own and carry, you just have to be familiar with how to do it.

I lived in Massachusetts, which also has some mighty funny rules about that sort of thing. It was a big shock, coming from Maine. Everybody's got guns in Maine. A kid in my class used to carry one to school, everyone knew it, and while he was considered a tad eccentric, it wasn't a big deal. The only thing people in Maine worry about is idiots who don't know how to handle them properly.

[Animematt55]

I lived in Massachusetts, which also has some mighty funny rules about that sort of thing. It was a big shock, coming from Maine. Everybody's got guns in Maine. A kid in my class used to carry one to school, everyone knew it, and while he was considered a tad eccentric, it wasn't a big deal. The only thing people in Maine worry about is idiots who don't know how to handle them properly.

Exactly. I bet he would of been a hero at Virginia Tech. Of course it was a 'gun free zone' so it guaranteed no opposition.
NDs laws are pretty nice. You just gotta take a short test, and fill out a form with a small fee. But you can't carry in schools or to a public gathering.
I am not too worried about a school shooting at a high school here. At my school we always had an armed police officer there, he was awesome.
But you are right, even if you are allowed to carry, of course you have to be able to handle it responsibly.

[Jae Hoon]

If your first name was Clifton wouldnt you have guns.

[Kenpachi]

Jersey has sucky laws when it comes to guns. if someone tries to break into my house, i want something that will outrank a robber in firepower. and if they get away, all the police have to do is follow the trail of piss.

[Haro!]

See you guys got it wrong, a gun doesn't protect your home this is what does (NYC's example):
A large police force and laws that are so strict you can't spit anywhere near a cop.
And most importantly, and most effective: capitalism. Price out all the poor people you can find. It works. Really. There's little to no crime where I live and even less where my parents live (a pricier neighborhood). By extension I think that also means hipsters prevent crime

[cloud1989]

I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but none of those were machine guns. You can tell by the names displayed on the video that they were all pretty much semi auto knockoffs, and even the ones that are identical in name and looks to there full auto version(mac and ak) have alot more semi versions than the machine gun versions out in public and it would seem more releastic that he got the semi auto. I can't speak for the silencers though, the one on the mac looks like a "fake" silencer sold for looks purposes but the ones on the beretta's looked real. Anyways the media loves to use the word machine gun for any gun that looks like it has a place in some hollywood action movie or battlefield, there was a story awhile ago where the media went so far as to call a tec 9 used in some crime a " semi auto machine pistol, WTF?

[Nakey]

I am wondering if those are actually "machine guns" as in, fully automatic weapons.
The media are idiots when it comes to firearms, but he did supposedly spend a lot of them, so they just might be full auto.

Unless he's got a Class III receiver or RDIAS (or got a black market DIAS or Military Lower Receiver), that Bushy AR Pistol ain't gonna be full auto.

Can you even own any Class III devices in NY?

You can tell by the names displayed on the video that they were all pretty much semi auto knockoffs, and even the ones that are identical in name and looks to there full auto version(mac and ak) have alot more semi versions than the machine gun versions out in public and it would seem more releastic that he got the semi auto.


I disagree. No point getting the M10 if it ain't Full auto. Semi-auto M10 with fake supressor? not good for drive bys. Better off using the SP89s. Knowing the US black market, DIAS for AK's are easy to come by.

And this is all assumimg that the youtube clip is accurate. They all showed media pictures of the firearms, not the actual firearms seized by the police.

Has this subculture gone so far downhill that they have to look up to blithering incompetents as role models?

Not just this subculture, Dessy...

*facepalms*

[Yukimura-Sanada]

was he accused of being a sex offender to Machine guns too?

[Animematt55]

I disagree. No point getting the M10 if it ain't Full auto. Semi-auto M10 with fake supressor? not good for drive bys. Better off using the SP89s. Knowing the US black market, DIAS for AK's are easy to come by.

And this is all assumimg that the youtube clip is accurate. They all showed media pictures of the firearms, not the actual firearms seized by the police.



Not just this subculture, Dessy...

*facepalms*

Last I check/heard. There has not been a crime committed with a fully automatic weapon since the Hollywood shootout.
My guess is that they were just semi auto knock offs. I also bet his "AK" was some crappy WASR.

[Kenpachi]

was he accused of being a sex offender to Machine guns too?

haha NICE!:thumbsup: but youd have to be seriously mentally retarded to do that, and even then youd be too retarded to think of that.

[Fobb]

Let out on 3 Mil Bond I think.

[Nakey]

Last I check/heard. There has not been a crime committed with a fully automatic weapon since the Hollywood shootout.
My guess is that they were just semi auto knock offs. I also bet his "AK" was some crappy WASR.

AK is some knockoff (again ,assuming that pics in video linked are correct), but M10, personally, i don't think so...

Semi-auto M10 don't fit with the image of these "gangstas", especially if lots of money is involved..

Yukimura-Sanada may be right though, since some of the guns he picked are gangsta-crap...

i mean, who in teh hell picks an SP89????

[Animematt55]

This was in Kalifornia right?
It is extremely difficult for anyone that isnt a celebrity or politician to get any kind of firearms licence.
Add to the fact that this guy is a felon, he will not even be able to own a basic firearm.
Glad I live in North Dakota, where I can legally own anything if I pay the taxes for it, and talk to the sheriff

[Kenpachi]

who started the "Kalifornia" spelling?

[Animematt55]

who started the "Kalifornia" spelling?

Something i saw on /k/
It is usually used like kkkalifornia too, or commiefornia
Basically making fun of their strict laws, especially with firearms, and ever increasing crime rate

[cloud1989]

I always heard of it as commufornia or something, being that heavy gun control is one step torwards communism I guess, and no state hates guns more than california as far as I know. "The Peoples republic of California" is another name to.

[Animematt55]

I always heard of it as commufornia or something, being that heavy gun control is one step torwards communism I guess, and no state hates guns more than california as far as I know. "The Peoples republic of California" is another name to.

exactly
What did Stalin do to take power? He took away all opposition