Clay Man is nothing!

[GoldSteel]

Clay Man aka Bird Man aka Explosive Man is nothing! all he do is fly around making people chase him and do dirty tricks.

I dont like the way he fight... his style is not head to head and he do dirty tricks. I bet anyone can squash him if he dont keep on flying around and do dirty tricks!

agree?

[ffl]

Not agree.

[GoldSteel]

Not agree.

you not agree? then what is your thought?

[ffl]

Since I read the manga, I feel that I should not spoil the series for you. I just disagree with your assessment of him.

[Big Shot]

All I know is that if you pizz Deidara off, he'll go nuclear on your @$$!!!

[Big Shot]

...plus the guy captured at least two Bijuu pretty much by himself.

[u_nick]

Yeah, the dude took out Gaara BY HIM SELF! Thats nothing to ignore.

And I know the manga too, so I wont spoil anything further.

[Dj_Saito]

I have to agree with the parent. He is pretty lame....I mean playing with clay -.-;;. But I attribute my disliking him mostly to his part in the story thus far. Yes manga viewers know some kick *** secrets but at this point he is the equivalent of 10 minutes of chasing filler. All in all I look forward to the time when his battle is the focus of the anime so that I can get a better look at him as a whole. (and new gaara sux old crazy gaara would have owned him!)

[SilencedChylde]

There is so much hate in this thread...

Deidara isn't my favorite, but I like him. I think he's pretty BA, personally. A lot of people seem to dislike (and/or hate) my two favorite Akatsuki, but I'm not going to take it personally. Everyone I talk to seems to hate both Kisame and Hidan. >3

Also: OP should learn to speak English a little better before insulting a character who has a pretty large fanbase.

[ffl]

I'm not really a fan of Deidara, but he is a top ninja.

[Dark_Knight]

Wait until you see his fight with *spoiler located here*. He seems to be a relatively smart fighter, who thinks his moves through before he does them. Yeah, he spends a lot of time flying around, mainly so that he can plan out the most effective method of attack. Much preferable in my mind, to Naruto or Lee, who'll run in without taking time to consider an opponent's abilities. I'm willing to bet that Naruto is going tp charge Pein head on when he meets him.

[GoldSteel]

...plus the guy captured at least two Bijuu pretty much by himself.
dirty tricks...

Yeah, the dude took out Gaara BY HIM SELF! Thats nothing to ignore.
dirty tricks.....




Wait until you see his fight with *spoiler located here*. He seems to be a relatively smart fighter, who thinks his moves through before he does them. Yeah, he spends a lot of time flying around, mainly so that he can plan out the most effective method of attack. Much preferable in my mind, to Naruto or Lee, who'll run in without taking time to consider an opponent's abilities. I'm willing to bet that Naruto is going tp charge Pein head on when he meets him.
yeah thats what I hate about his fighting style. keep flying and think of dirty tricks.

Also: OP should learn to speak English a little better before insulting a character who has a pretty large fanbase.
not insulting but just saying the fact that I see from my opinion. ofcourse I have bad english structure and grammar but it doesnt take a rocket scientist to understand.

[lunarvesperia]

I dont like him as character...and i dont care how strong are his 'artworks'.They are still artworks.My opinion always.

Also: OP should learn to speak English a little better before insulting a character who has a pretty large fanbase.

He didnt insult anyone,just sayed his opinion.On the other hand you were insulting him in person.Deidara is a character ,and HE is a person.So calm your horses,that he 'insulted' someone that doesnt exist.It was pretty ridiculus.I cant believe you people taking this matters so seriously.

edit:He is strong thus,at that i dont agree with Goldsteel.

[ZeroRyoko1974]

dirty tricks are fine when you get the job done. He is part of an "evil" organization, should he have gone up to Gaara and asked him to surrender in a nice way?

[jeremy]

I tender that Deidara gets better later on in the manga series as he becomes more fully developed and is put through his paces. At first, it seems as if his sole purpose is to irritate.

[lunarvesperia]

Yeah, the dude took out Gaara BY HIM SELF! Thats nothing to ignore.

And I know the manga too, so I wont spoil anything further.

Ah and i forgot about that..how did he got Gaara by himself doesnt matter to count his strength? Didnt he aim for the village so Gaara used up a HUGE amount of chakra to protect them?would he be able to defeat Gaara in other conditions?Hell,who knows huh.
If he was stronger than Gaara he wouldnt do that trick in my opinion.It is fine what he did,it was his mission anyway,and he is with the 'bad' ones,but its not like he was cool ,since he 'played' dirty.
One the other hand,that doesnt mean he is 'nothing'.

[Lone Signal]

Deidara had the handicap of sneaking into an entire ****ing village and taking out the ****ing Kage, alive.
Gaara had the handicap of protecting the village.

This is war, by the way. There are no rules.

[ffl]

dirty tricks...

dirty tricks.....

yeah thats what I hate about his fighting style. keep flying and think of dirty tricks.

Hmm... "dirty tricks"... where have I heard that before... *thinks of a mustachioed and afroed "fighter" who said everything was a dirty trick... including flying*:)

[GoldSteel]

Deiduro (what ever his name is) is no way to be called stronger than Gara just cause he took down Gara (in dirty trick) I can understand that it is his mission not a death duel. So doing what he just did is fine but still right now he doesnt show me that he is strong... so far all I see on him is hesitation, flying and dirty tricks.

If he want me to think that he's strong then let him show me a battle that does not have situation like when he fought Gara.

I say he is nothing atleast as of now unless I see more of his fight which is to come.




Just in case people misunderstood... When I say Dirty Tricks... I dont mean like ninjas use ilusionary to fight, hidden poison needle but what I mean is when someone using a hostage to rob, blackmail someone and like the situation when Diedora fight with Gara.

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

Deiduro (what ever his name is) is no way to be called stronger than Gara just cause he took down Gara (in dirty trick) I can understand that it is his mission not a death duel. So doing what he just did is fine but still right now he doesnt show me that he is strong... so far all I see on him is hesitation, flying and dirty tricks.

If he want me to think that he's strong then let him show me a battle that does not have situation like when he fought Gara.

I say he is nothing atleast as of now unless I see more of his fight which is to come.

Just in case people misunderstood... When I say Dirty Tricks... I dont mean like ninjas use ilusionary to fight, hidden poison needle but what I mean is when someone using a hostage to rob, blackmail someone and like the situation when Diedora fight with Gara.
So what if Deidara flies? So what if he uses clay? So what if some of his actions are "dirty?" He is a ninja, for crying out loud! Ninja were known for using dirty tricks in battle! Using mysterious techniques, taking hostages, tricking opponents - as long as the mission was completed, that was all that mattered. Ninja aren't samurai; they don't have a warrior's code they have to follow.

Also, you can't claim that only Deidara's techniques are dirty when his techniques are on the same level as some of the other characters'. If using clay to create bombs and birds that fly is dirty, then so is using as a flotation device and defense mechanism (Gaara), or drawing on another creature's power when you're nearly defeated in battle (Naruto), or using a technique that allows you to read the opponent's moves (Sasuke, Kakashi, Itachi, Neji, Hinata). All of those techniques give their users an advantage in battle, but that's what a ninja's techniques do - give their users an advantage in battle.

For the record, it is much harder to defeat someone just enough to capture him alive, than it is to go all the way and just kill him. I know that sounds silly to some people, but if you think about it, it's true. Capturing an enemy alive means you have to injure him just enough to render him unable to fight back or escape, without injuring him to the point where his wounds are fatal. While that sounds simple enough, it's much easier said than done. Capturing an enemy alive involves a lot more careful planning than simply killing the enemy.

Since I know some people are going to try to find flaw in my reasoning, let me use an analogy: hitting a tennis ball deep into the court (i.e., closer to the baseline). Hitting the ball deep isn't that hard in and of itself; in fact, you don't even have to have good technique in order to hit the ball deep into the court.

However, let's say you want the ball to bounce right on the baseline. Suddenly, just putting a lot of force behind your stroke isn't going to cut it. You have to have technique. You have to know exactly how to angle the racket, exactly how much strength to put behind your hit. And all of this requires planning. You have to think to yourself, "Okay, I know that if I angle the racket like this, the ball will go that way; and if I hit the ball this hard, the ball goes this far."

For someone as powerful as Deidara, killing an enemy is like using sheer power to hit the ball deep into the court. There is a little bit of thinking involved, but it is more about brawn than brains. However, capturing an enemy requires using your power at just the right amount, like hitting the ball so it bounces exactly on the baseline. It requires more thinking, more planning.

[lunarvesperia]

Deiduro (what ever his name is) is no way to be called stronger than Gara just cause he took down Gara (in dirty trick) I can understand that it is his mission not a death duel. So doing what he just did is fine but still right now he doesnt show me that he is strong... so far all I see on him is hesitation, flying and dirty tricks.

If he want me to think that he's strong then let him show me a battle that does not have situation like when he fought Gara.

I say he is nothing atleast as of now unless I see more of his fight which is to come.





Just in case people misunderstood... When I say Dirty Tricks... I dont mean like ninjas use ilusionary to fight, hidden poison needle but what I mean is when someone using a hostage to rob, blackmail someone and like the situation when Diedora fight with Gara.

Now my friend you lost it completely xD.
I still try to understand why you write his name like this...>.<
And i dislike him too as i said but that is a bit too far.

[ffl]

Well, if you feel this strongly about Deidara, I suggest that you go to a larger Naruto forum and post about it there too. I'm sure that you'll find more people who will agree with you.:)

[GoldSteel]

So what if Deidara flies? So what if he uses clay? So what if some of his actions are "dirty?" He is a ninja, for crying out loud! Ninja were known for using dirty tricks in battle! Using mysterious techniques, taking hostages, tricking opponents - as long as the mission was completed, that was all that mattered. Ninja aren't samurai; they don't have a warrior's code they have to follow.

Also, you can't claim that only Deidara's techniques are dirty when his techniques are on the same level as some of the other characters'. If using clay to create bombs and birds that fly is dirty, then so is using as a flotation device and defense mechanism (Gaara), or drawing on another creature's power when you're nearly defeated in battle (Naruto), or using a technique that allows you to read the opponent's moves (Sasuke, Kakashi, Itachi, Neji, Hinata). All of those techniques give their users an advantage in battle, but that's what a ninja's techniques do - give their users an advantage in battle.

For the record, it is much harder to defeat someone just enough to capture him alive, than it is to go all the way and just kill him. I know that sounds silly to some people, but if you think about it, it's true. Capturing an enemy alive means you have to injure him just enough to render him unable to fight back or escape, without injuring him to the point where his wounds are fatal. While that sounds simple enough, it's much easier said than done. Capturing an enemy alive involves a lot more careful planning than simply killing the enemy.

Since I know some people are going to try to find flaw in my reasoning, let me use an analogy: hitting a tennis ball deep into the court (i.e., closer to the baseline). Hitting the ball deep isn't that hard in and of itself; in fact, you don't even have to have good technique in order to hit the ball deep into the court.

However, let's say you want the ball to bounce right on the baseline. Suddenly, just putting a lot of force behind your stroke isn't going to cut it. You have to have technique. You have to know exactly how to angle the racket, exactly how much strength to put behind your hit. And all of this requires planning. You have to think to yourself, "Okay, I know that if I angle the racket like this, the ball will go that way; and if I hit the ball this hard, the ball goes this far."

For someone as powerful as Deidara, killing an enemy is like using sheer power to hit the ball deep into the court. There is a little bit of thinking involved, but it is more about brawn than brains. However, capturing an enemy requires using your power at just the right amount, like hitting the ball so it bounces exactly on the baseline. It requires more thinking, more planning.
wow thats a long post. I thought I make myself clear by this:

"Just in case people misunderstood... When I say Dirty Tricks... I dont mean like ninjas use ilusionary to fight, hidden poison needle but what I mean is when someone using a hostage to rob, blackmail someone and like the situation when Diedora fight with Gara."




If using clay to create bombs and birds that fly is dirty, then so is using as a flotation device and defense mechanism (Gaara), or drawing on another creature's power when you're nearly defeated in battle (Naruto), or using a technique that allows you to read the opponent's moves (Sasuke, Kakashi, Itachi, Neji, Hinata).
nope! none of that is called dirty and I did not call it dirty. not in my version of "dirty" vocab.

[ffl]

I thought Kakashi made it clear in episode 5 or so that anything goes in the shinobi world. Threatening another with an impossible choice is just another tactic. In the example Kakashi gave, he told Sakura to kill Naruto or else Sasuke would die. That would be considered "forcing their hand". It's exactly what Deidara did to Gaara. He forced Gaara to choose between protecting himself or protecting the village. Gaara made the decision that all respectable Kage make. It was just Deidara forcing Gaara's hand though, meaning forcing Gaara to make a move.

This is a pretty short example, so you should be able to read it. If you still don't understand it, come back in a few years to a decade.

[MightyDustLoop]

I don't hate Deidara. I think a lot of people were hoping for an all out rematch with Gaara. I don't think it would have surprised anyone to see Gaara win in the situation. Deidara certainly took advantage of the environment and the situation.

Simultaneously, he did so pretty nonchalantly. Even when he lost an arm the guy never paniced once during the fight. An all out rematch really could go either way but don't get your hopes up for one. I think he's pretty cool, though Sasori is probably my favorite (even keeping up with the manga). Either way, keep watching.

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

wow thats a long post. I thought I make myself clear by this:

"Just in case people misunderstood... When I say Dirty Tricks... I dont mean like ninjas use ilusionary to fight, hidden poison needle but what I mean is when someone using a hostage to rob, blackmail someone and like the situation when Diedora fight with Gara."
You made yourself quite clear. But I'm not sure you got the point I was trying to make. In the world of ninja, anything and everything goes. Ninja aren't samurai; they don't have a warrior's code to which they have to adhere. You do what you can in order to complete your mission, and as long as the mission is completed successfully, that's all that matters.

You claim Deidara used dirty tricks in order to defeat Gaara. Well, Deidara is a ninja, and his opponent was another ninja - to be more specific, a ninja possessed by a powerful mythological creature. Deidara used what was available to him - his jutsu and his brain - to complete his mission, to capture Gaara alive. That's what you do when you're a ninja. That's what you do in war.

[GoldSteel]

huhuhahahuhuhaha lalalala argument is fun when you are winning but when losing is not so fun! my skills in argument are poor! and not well sentence making. I guess I cant finish what I started!

I cant think of anything for a come-back right now....

wait wait... the whole thing is not about complaining of gara lost in dirty tricks but its more of about deidoro doesnt prove him self to be strong and dont deserved to be called stronger than gara just cause he took him down (by dirty tricks) but then again it is all about mission... do anything to complete mission but still i am talking about strong or not strong... blah blah

Why im making this thread is all about showing of what I feel about diedora at this point.... I do not think he is stronger than Gara.... but maybe he do but he did not show me.... he only show me dirty tricks of beating him! for that I will say he is nothing! unlike Saosori which he actually showing me that he put him a good and long fight against the 2 ninjas. Deidoro only show me long, hesitation, dirty fight.

[lav2k4]

lol.....BOOM

[ffl]

Why im making this thread is all about showing of what I feel about diedora at this point.... I do not think he is stronger than Gara.... but maybe he do but he did not show me.... he only show me dirty tricks of beating him! for that I will say he is nothing! unlike Saosori which he actually showing me that he put him a good and long fight against the 2 ninjas. Deidoro only show me long, hesitation, dirty fight.

Well, at least you admitted it. Anyway, I used to think that there was no way that Deidara was better than Gaara, but eventually I changed my mind.

[Dark_Knight]

Well, Gold Steel, you might be interested in seeing his fight against _______. I'd say that fight alone proved that Deidara far outmuscles Gaara. Deidara is an intelligent fighter, rather than an all out brawler.

During his match with Gaara, especially towards the end, he calculated Gaara's responses perfectly. Dropping a bomb on the village, was just his dramatic flair to the situation. He could have done it a hundred other ways, but that's just the way he wanted to. If Deidara wants to do something, he has to do it in 'style'.

Deidara was actually holding back during his fight with Gaara. His strongest bombs are much more powerful than the ones he fought Gaara with, and if he had used them, Gaara would have been turned into dust very quickly. However, that would not serve the Akatsuki's purposes.

[Big Shot]

Gaara would have no chance to literally see Deidara's strongest attack.

[itachi_fangirl]

i think his fight with gaara was really good,i mean their both distance fighters so it was a cool battle,least his techniques are individual,has anyone noticed he says un a lot i think thats so kawai!!!

[ffl]

No, I don't believe I've ever noticed his habitual use of "Uum" before.:P

[itachi_fangirl]

heres proof he says un all the time ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPRJHNBXTqI

[Mikadzuki Tatsu]

heres proof he says un all the time ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPRJHNBXTqI

Umm...you do realize that ffl was probably joking, don't you? -_-; I'm sure most Naruto fans have noticed Deidara's habit of adding "un" (or "yeah," as it is in the manga translations) to the end of most of his sentences. Frequent speech quirks like that are hard not to notice. It's like Naruto's "dattebayo!"

[Hellsartist]

That it is :D! But anyways yes Sasuke could barely beat Deidara, or rather survive I should say showing just how versatile and worthy of being called strong Deidara is. I understand not everyones gonna like him, everyone has different opinions, not gonna try and force yours to change lol, that being said he didn't even beat Gaara by using a dirty trick, he beat him by letting his arm get literally torn off and slipping small bombs into Gaara's sand, that seems more like a smart move (albeit a crazy one for sacrificing his arm XD). Granted forcing Gaara to protect the village probably did use up a good deal of chakra, but if you don't like his fighting style than you probably won't like him after seeing his other major fight, even if it was bad *** lol. I personally enjoy the notion "You don't have to be stronger than someone to be able to beat them" but brute strength certainly is more flashy.

[itachi_fangirl]

theres no way deidara is nothing
for god sake just read the manga,i mean when he fights sasuke he actually has a even opponent in strength but thats all i know i dnt read the manga i just found out from spoiling noobs from youtube

[GoldSteel]

saw his next battle..... again he is still nothing! all he do is hesitate and let them chase him! i was expecting a nice show from him fighting with naruto gang.

[proxie]

lol death by suffocation!!!...deidara is cool deidara and tobi ftw ^_^

he is a long range fighter.

and about the naruto charging at pain....umm not sure thats gonna happen seems like naruto is becoming more stable minded he is starting to think before he acts. i can't wait for that fight though, it's gonna be wicked

[warset]

he is nothing

spoiler
he got owned so badly by a few ppl