Spartan vs Samauri

[Leinhart]

I was watching Human weapon on the history channel and they were showing Pankration. It got me thinking if you pit a spartan warrior against a samurai both fully clad and armor with weapons, who would really win in a fight here?

My monies on the spartan because they were more disciplined in the art of warfare, Im pretty sure a samurai is better then a spartan at yabusame but one on one on the land it would seem a spartan dominates. I would like to see other peoples opinions on this matter. Please don't be so close minded. Samurai are not what they are as they are depicted in anime and Spartan soldiers are not what they are as depicted in 300(they are more brootal then that). So yeh /discuss

[TheCrowsCry]

I believe that the one on one would go to the samurai. Full on war goes to spartains. I did research before posting.

[Leinhart]

I have to say sir you got me there but I have a rebuttal. Mostly Samurais in war from what I know fight 1 on 1, Spartans have been physically contioned that in 1 on 1 a spartan can win against a Samurai. Also I'm not racist to those who are gonna jump to that conclusion when I say this, but a Spartan male would usualy be twice the size of a japanese samurai, muscles and all. Also spartans were really more brootal then samurai, in a hand to hand fight they would rip out your eyes, break your fingers, just mutilate you. Also Spartans armor is light and most of those jujutsu throws samurai know wouldn't be as effective, if he can even pull a throw off. Spartan swords were primarily heavy so ripping through that armor wouldnt be a problem. Also from what I've seen from pankration armor wouldn't matter. I accidently put a hole in my wall today ****ing around with this move from pankration.

[TheCrowsCry]

You make good points. Brutality isnt Japan's strong point. Hmmm. To be honest I have no clue so I can only take in what you think. However samurai dont fight against streignth but use it against their opponents.

[Leinhart]

I mean consider yourself the samurai and your fighting a spartan its human psychology that you will wet your pants and run. Using your oppenents strength against him, any samurai would say "F*CK THAT". You would be fighting a lunatic drenched in blood, feces and he would smell like **** and he would be carrying a sword thats half the size of your sword but 3 times the weight and probly carrying a sheild that probly ways as much as you do. If that were me I'd probly not wanna fight a bloke like that.

I'd would pull out some waffles most likely and invite him to eat some with me, even a spartan cannot turn down the goodness of waffles

[TheCrowsCry]

You just gave a new meaning to intelegent discusion lol. I think you over exagerate a bit. I know I would say seppukku time...

[Leinhart]

Everyone see's things differently from there own eyes (depending on how many drinks they had)

[TheCrowsCry]

A little saki(sp) before a war isnt a bad thing.

[Hara!]

How a samurai spends his day.
Morning = Writing poems.
Afternoon = Drinking Tea.
Night = Writing Poems.

How a SPARTAN spends his day.
Morning = Killing things.
Afternoon = Sleeping with his wife.
Night = Sleeping with his war buddy.

You decide.

[Leinhart]

I thought samurai were the ones who slept with there male friends, or am i mistaken o.O

[Ariel Tsuki]

How a samurai spends his day.
Morning = Writing poems.
Afternoon = Drinking Tea.
Night = Hit up some hos at the red light district and get drunk.


Fix'd for historical accuracy.

[Reidar]

It depends on the fighter, not the name attached to him.

By the way, for someone warning against the exaggerated circumstances common in movies and anime, you sure do have a peculiar source of interest for this in "Human Weapon". The training sequences with different cultures, sans moronic commentary from two low-levels who don't even move like they're athletes, let alone professional-level fighters, are the only redeeming aspect. The history lessons are inaccurate and the ending bouts are laughable. "He moves like LIGHTING, I couldn't even see his attack" spouts the narrator as his opponent throws a standard roundhouse that's slowed down and inserted with a "WHOOSH" sound-effect for fake drama. And Jason Chambers, supposedly with extensive BJJ experience, couldn't even defend from a basic Ashi Guruma sweep in the Judo episode. Most likely, those blunders are done on purpose to abide by the whole "This group of foreigners is completely beyond our puny American level" theme, which diminishes the integrity of the program. If he's honestly doing his best, then his abilities render him unsuitable for the job.

Amusing.

[Leinhart]

I would like to see you go in a fist fight with 1 of those 2 dudes, you wouldnt last five minutes, please go ahead. Im sure your a 15th degree in karate and your really cool. If you wanna fight me please be my guest, ive been waiting to kick some punk ***. Im sure your a tough guy who actualy lives in "hell". If you think your so tough B-R-I-N-G it.

[TheCrowsCry]

When intelegent discusion goes wrong. Arguments are a waste of time...

[Reidar]

I suggest you cease taking posts personally and retorting back with malice if you want to keep this thread open. I was critiquing the show in relevance to the discussion; not you.

Anyways, Jason Chambers is in regular contact with AKA, the BJJ/Muay Thai gym near my house. I would gladly fight him if he were up to it.

And sure, I'll meet up with you for that. PM me and we can trade addresses. If you're not in California, I assume you're willing to undergo any necessary travel means.

[Leinhart]

Well, unless your willing to pay for my ticket, from NYC to cali id be glad to go. Also you probly do not know how to keep a show going also saying to those people that are showing them the moves "Oh that sucks and your slow" is disrespectful. Also im pretty sure he can kick your ***. Unless you are a MMA fighter or something of the sort and are good

Also ima person with a short fuse

[Reidar]

You made the challenge. Therefore, the burden of travel lies on you. That's common etiquette. I meet up with people for training and fighting on Bullshido all the time, depending on the individual's level of comfort, and that's how it works. And I didn't mention anything about disrespect. I said that Chambers and Duff are either faking their abilities for drama, or are too incompetent in martial arts to host a show about it.

Your thread began with discussing a historical scenario, and degraded into you telling me who can beat me up. Get back on track.

[Leinhart]

Chambers and duff know how to keep an audience entertained. Also i have to apologize for the post earlier it was a bit uncalled for plus i have no money to waste to go to cali now T_T . In martial arts I dont think duff is to good, but id say Chambers fakes it to keep the audience happy isnt that an entertainers job?

[Reidar]

It's on the History Channel, with the premise of it being a factual program. "The Ultimate Fighter" is an entertainment show, and it doesn't pretend that it isn't.

I grew up idolizing a fighter who gave up all of his money, his popularity, and his world heavyweight title for maintaining his principles, Muhammad Ali. Being fake in something ruins everything to me.

If you want to spar, or fight, on friendly terms, I can pay for your ticket, perhaps even next summer if school is an issue and at a public boxing gym so you feel safe meeting somebody from here, but it seems you said that out of haste, so don't feel pressured to accept.

[Rain]

THIS IS SPARTA! So, naturally, the Spartan warrior would win in a fight.

A little saki(sp) before a war isnt a bad thing.

It's sake.

[TheCrowsCry]

THIS IS SPARTA! So, naturally, the Spartan warrior would win in a fight.



It's sake.

Thank you. :)

[Bernard_Monsha]

I have to say sir you got me there but I have a rebuttal. Mostly Samurais in war from what I know fight 1 on 1, Spartans have been physically contioned that in 1 on 1 a spartan can win against a Samurai. Also I'm not racist to those who are gonna jump to that conclusion when I say this, but a Spartan male would usualy be twice the size of a japanese samurai, muscles and all. Also spartans were really more brootal then samurai, in a hand to hand fight they would rip out your eyes, break your fingers, just mutilate you. Also Spartans armor is light and most of those jujutsu throws samurai know wouldn't be as effective, if he can even pull a throw off. Spartan swords were primarily heavy so ripping through that armor wouldnt be a problem. Also from what I've seen from pankration armor wouldn't matter. I accidently put a hole in my wall today ****ing around with this move from pankration.

Were did you get this from, the average male in and around 400BCE was under 5 feet and remained there until the late middle ages. The Spartans would loose horribly due to the 1500 year technology gap.

How a samurai spends his day.
Morning = Writing poems.
Afternoon = Drinking Tea.
Night = Writing Poems.

How a SPARTAN spends his day.
Morning = Killing things.
Afternoon = Sleeping with his wife.
Night = Sleeping with his war buddy.

You decide.

No they spent more time with their war buddies they were only allowed to visit their wives for one hour during the night for breeding purposes.

[Delta-Pheonix]

Niether will win becuase the Space Piates will destroy them both, Next question.

[dothacker5]

Spartans are metal what do you think? :P

A much better comparison is Spartan vs. Ninja vs. Chuck Norris/ Samuel Jackson. :lol:

[Tidusauron12]

And sure, I'll meet up with you for that. PM me and we can trade addresses. If you're not in California, I assume you're willing to undergo any necessary travel means.

Be sure to put the video up on Youtube, I'd enjoy watching. I wanna' see your ability, Reidar. If I don't see any DBZ moves outta' you, my respect for you will be irreversibly injured and sullied. :P

:lol:

[Solid_Snake]

Spartans would win. Only weaaboos say otherwise.

[Ikari Warrior]

As Reidar said, it would depend on their respective skill levels. I would think that each warrior's fighting style has its own strengths and weaknesses.

That being said, I think the Spartan would have a slight edge. The samurai's armor may be lighter, but the Spartan's weapons are heavier. I samurai blade would likely shatter on a spartan shield, and once that happens, it's game over.

[Vaikyuko]

Not when katanas were tempered so they could slice through a man's belly after he'd swallowed a ton of rocks (which, BTW, a lot of to-be-executed prisoners did to try and at least dull or slow the sword). Like Bernard said, the samurai have the advantage, and pretty much win by default through technological superiority.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

300 was a better move than the last samurai

[Suki]

My monies on the spartan because they were more disciplined in the art of warfare,

Are you ****ing retarded? A Spartan is nothing without his comrades, they were legendary because of the offensive and defensive techniques that required a huge amount of teamwork to accomplish.

Both a samurai and spartan are trained in the art of warfare since they were very young. It depends on the person, not what they are labeled.

Go back to highschool history.

[Caster13]

no physical attack on the planet can stop an armor piercing bullet. plus when your back in like 600 B.C., a wierd shaped stick with metal making fire and thunder which blows holes in their buddies repeatedly is gonna have them bowing to you thinking that your a holy being. and in 1500ish A.D., a gun that can fire MULTIPLE times is going to have people running scarred.

[Neo0tak0n]

pffffff

jubei would throw his rice ball high in the air, slash every last 300 spartan, then catch his rice ball, take a bite, and walk away.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

I was watching Human weapon on the history channel and they were showing Pankration. It got me thinking if you pit a spartan warrior against a samurai both fully clad and armor with weapons, who would really win in a fight here?

Well A Samurai’s primary method of fighting was on horseback with a bow, the Spartan primarily fought in a wall of other Spartans standing still... one v one? Samurai I think.

[Animematt55]

How a samurai spends his day.
Morning = Writing poems.
Afternoon = Drinking Tea.
Night = Writing Poems.
Night = Hit up some hos at the red light district and get drunk.


Fix'd for historical accuracy.
You forgot to add in the bois. It was quite common to hit up the kabuki for such things.

EDIT: Well I read Bernies post, and he makes a good point. There is a big difference in time and tech.
But the Spartans were pretty bad *** (NOTE: I have NOT seen 300)

[Ikari Warrior]

pffffff

jubei would throw his rice ball high in the air, slash every last 300 spartan, then catch his rice ball, take a bite, and walk away.

I thought Jubei was a ninja :blink:

[Caster13]

i knew it! i knew it was only a matter of time before someone mentioned an anime character comparison.>_<

REAL LIFE PEOPLE!!!

but samurai's swords were a hell of a lot sharper and lighter. so there is speed added into the mix. and strength doesnt do squat if you cant block the person.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

Stabbing is faster than slashing, but I can't vouch for the reach of a Spartans sword. Of course he prefers his big *** spear. So assuming he doesn't miss....

[Bernard_Monsha]

Stabbing is faster than slashing, but I can't vouch for the reach of a Spartans sword. Of course he prefers his big *** spear. So assuming he doesn't miss....

So giver the samurai a yari, the technology gap is enormus and cannot be overcome.

[Neo0tak0n]

I thought Jubei was a ninja :blink:

nah, he's a ronin

[Caster13]

So giver the samurai a yari, the technology gap is enormus and cannot be overcome.

Spartans were in between the Bronze and Iron ages. IRL, the only iron the Spartans had were in their swords. however some Greek armor and weapons of the period have survived in incredibly good condition (one so well that you could clean it off, sharpen it, and still kill someone), because they mastered making bronze so well. samurai weapons were made out of the finest steel around.

another group of super tough bastards were the Knights Templar. they were the total elite of the time, and were taught not to retreat from the battle unless they were outnumbered MORE than 3/1. SHUT UP ALL DA VINCI CODE PEOPLE!!!!!

[Bernard_Monsha]

Spartans were in between the Bronze and Iron ages. IRL, the only iron the Spartans had were in their swords. however some Greek armor and weapons of the period have survived in incredibly good condition (one so well that you could clean it off, sharpen it, and still kill someone), because they mastered making bronze so well. samurai weapons were made out of the finest steel around.

another group of super tough bastards were the Knights Templar. they were the total elite of the time, and were taught not to retreat from the battle unless they were outnumbered MORE than 3/1. SHUT UP ALL DA VINCI CODE PEOPLE!!!!!

No Greek armies before and during the Peloponnesian war were naked and carried bronze weapons. Bronze will be cut in half vs steel.


The Templars were bankers more than anything else, the real fighters of the Holy Orders were the Knights of St John of the Hospital and the Tuetonic Knights. The Order of St John can be credited with destroying the cream of the Turkish army and the navy in the battles of Malta and Lepanto, they saved Western Europe form the Derka Derka crowd.

[earsofdoom]

I agree its no contest becouse of the technology differences, not only does steel cut through bronze but an army that prefer to fight shoulder to shoulder is gonna have a hard time against someone who knows allot about gunpowder.

EDIT: not only that if you research traditional samourai armor you'll relize just how advanced it is.

[Animematt55]

Werent Samurai swords way back then Iron, and not steel?

[Bernard_Monsha]

Werent Samurai swords way back then Iron, and not steel?

No because there were no Samurai until the 11th Century AD.

[Animematt55]

No because there were no Samurai until the 11th Century AD.

Well...I ment the katana, not the actual Samurai class.

[Ikari Warrior]

lol, technology gap. the Spartan would win because the Samurai hadn't been born yet :lol:

[Bernard_Monsha]

lol, technology gap. the Spartan would win because the Samurai hadn't been born yet :lol:

Or the Samurai would win as the Spartans were long dead. He could pee on their graves and walk freely about what is left of Sparta.

[Fobb]

Spartans can fight in the dark.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...i'll tell ya who'll win.

America will win. because we like to take credit FOR EVERYTHING.

[Fobb]

Your avvie has me hypmatized

[Caster13]

the early japanese sword was straight and double edged. the curve started as a way to get it out of the sheath faster when on a horse. those early ones had straight blades, but a bent hilt, like a ramp. over time the sharp bend became a long, single edged sword that resembled katana, but where curved throughout, hilt and all. those were tachi. actual katana didnt develop until a couple hundred years after samurai first appeared. they started to be shortened, and eventually the katana came into being. the predecesor was the uchigatana, but i think thats just a difference in length or something, idk.

their armor was originally leather scales connected with string. then they started making them out of iron. even though there was so much string, it was actually better than chain mail. around the beginning of the long civil war period, the armor became more solid. eventually it started to get almost completely solid quite often when the portugese showed up with firelock muskets. the solid armor wasnt just plain plates. it could be made of separate plates welded together through hammering. like plywood, and since there were small lines in the steel where it could split, it got criss-crossed and other insane crap done to it. same principals behind sword making. and even those were put together in different ways.

they mastered making this kind of stuff. the spears and everything were just as sharp as the swords.


(more info and detail to be added by others....maybe)

[Bernard_Monsha]

the early japanese sword was straight and double edged. the curve started as a way to get it out of the sheath faster when on a horse. those early ones had straight blades, but a bent hilt, like a ramp. over time the sharp bend became a long, single edged sword that resembled katana, but where curved throughout, hilt and all. those were tachi. actual katana didnt develop until a couple hundred years after samurai first appeared. they started to be shortened, and eventually the katana came into being. the predecesor was the uchigatana, but i think thats just a difference in length or something, idk.

Actually it is the other way around, the curved Tachi blade was the first sword the Samurai carried which became unpopular after the Mongol invasion. The next craze to hit were the giant Nodachi and Odachi swords, the Katana was not made until the beginning of the Muromachi era.


their armor was originally leather scales connected with string. then they started making them out of iron. even though there was so much string, it was actually better than chain mail. around the beginning of the long civil war period, the armor became more solid. eventually it started to get almost completely solid quite often when the portugese showed up with firelock muskets. the solid armor wasnt just plain plates. it could be made of separate plates welded together through hammering. like plywood, and since there were small lines in the steel where it could split, it got criss-crossed and other insane crap done to it. same principals behind sword making. and even those were put together in different ways.

It was laminar scales similar to China (the Heian court adored all things Japanese) It then advanced on to laminar box armor effective against arrows (being the calling card of Samurai warfare were arrow duels). It was not more effective than chainmail despite what some fantasist might want to say. It should also be noted that when given the option Japanese lords donned European armor with Japanese accessories when possible (Tokugawa Ieyasu himself donned a European armor at Sekigahara).

[Jae Hoon]

Chuck Norris would win

[Caster13]

^deserves the whipping dead horse gif.

[Hara!]

Jim Hammond > Chuck Norris.