View Full Version : Chapter 367 *SPOILERS*
DarkNataku
August 23rd, 2007, 06:22 PM
From the five scans I have seen Itachi does that crow trick again. Jiraiya is talking with Tsunade in the rain. A scene with Pein and his escort and Finally a scene where Tsunade says that "He's just like Uzumaki Kushina."
If this is correct he might be talking about Pein or maybe Naruto does have family we don't know about and maybe a big theory killer of the 4th being the father of Naruto.
Big Shot
August 23rd, 2007, 07:16 PM
1. From what I've read on other forums about this spoiler, Uzumaki Kushina is probably Naruto's mother. Also, the "Kushina" name apparently alludes to a story of Japanese folklore which involves a princess being turned into a comb. Aside from this, the name "Minato" also pops up, could it be the Fourth's name?
2. There's even MORE suggestions that Jiraiya's going to die.
3. Itachi briefly combats Sasuke, then tells him to go to the Uchiha's hideout if he wants to finish their thing.
4. Apparently Pein can sense anyone who is in "his rain".
Anyway, here are some pics:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/2711/50349239rd3.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/3237/40700299mo2.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/1253/d9a52307dffr5.jpg
...all in all, this without a doubt one of the most important chapters in the series.
Hara!
August 23rd, 2007, 07:38 PM
From the five scans I have seen Itachi does that crow trick again. Jiraiya is talking with Tsunade in the rain. A scene with Pein and his escort and Finally a scene where Tsunade says that "He's just like Uzumaki Kushina."
If this is correct he might be talking about Pein or maybe Naruto does have family we don't know about and maybe a big theory killer of the 4th being the father of Naruto.
Maybe Kushina IS the 4th´s name.
u_nick
August 23rd, 2007, 07:39 PM
Wow, so an Uzumaki and a Uchiha running Akatsuki? VERY interesting...
Also, Madarame or however you spell it doesnt appear to be Sasuke's Mother or Father, so Kushina may not necessarily be Naruto's Mother or Father... Maybe an uncle, a brother to the 4th that he didnt get along with... could be his mother or father sure, but it also could be someone all together different.
DarkNataku
August 23rd, 2007, 07:44 PM
Maybe Kushina IS the 4th´s name.
I don't know Kushina to me sound like a female name.
Big Shot
August 23rd, 2007, 07:54 PM
Some say that Kushina could be Naruto's mom, that gave her own name to him instead of the Fourth's.
Lone Signal
August 24th, 2007, 12:16 PM
"Happiness is not what men (japanese: male) desire." - Jiraiya. Godly quote.
Apparently the Fourth's name is Namikaze Minato and was hailed to be a genius born once a decade.
Uzumaki Kushina is the mother, a kunoichi from the Land of Whirlpool.
Rest of the chapter is straightforward. Jiraiya does warn Tsunade about the 'Man of Root' so I guess Danzou is not done, contrary to what I originally believed.
ffl
August 24th, 2007, 01:40 PM
Very interesting chapter. It finally confirms what the vast majority of people believed about Naruto. That he is the Fourth's son. Also... WE FINALLY KNOW THE FOURTH'S NAME!!! Namikaze Minato. That'll take a while to sink in. Uzumaki Kushina is a bit easier to remember, mainly because of the Uzumaki. Anyway... things continue to look bad for Jiraiya... or Tsunade... or both.
Naruto's mother had red hair though.O_O And tomboyish? O_O Uh-oh... am I sensing a relationship with Karin here...?
Brill
August 24th, 2007, 01:48 PM
Naruto's mother had red hair though.O_O And tomboyish? O_O Uh-oh... am I sensing a relationship with Karin here...?
No, No, No. Karin is Sakura's alter-id given flesh.
Cow
August 24th, 2007, 02:12 PM
Heres what we know.
Naruto's mom had red hair, Naruto's mom was from the Whirlpool country, Naruto's mom was boyish and tough.
Pein has red hair, Pein looks like Naruto (and we know Naruto looks like his mother because Jiraiya said he looked nothing like his Father), Pein has obvious water techniques (hm? whirlpool country anyone?), and Pein is tough.
Pein is obviously not a women so my guess is hes Naruto's uncle.
Heres what we don't know:
What happened to his mother?
Poor Jiraiya is going to die.
And could Itachi and Sasukes ordeal end this soon? Well things are coming together and I know Kishi has another project in line so I would not be surprised that when all of Akatsuki dies / Itachi problem / Orochimaru problem is done, that it'll end the series.
Hara!
August 24th, 2007, 04:43 PM
Poor Jiraiya is going to die.
Kishimoto can´t write his ****.
´WE NEED PLOT DEVELOPMENT´
´That´s okay. I´ll kill somebody, lololol´
DarkNataku
August 24th, 2007, 04:51 PM
Yeah the 4th name will need some time to get used to hearing. Now it is a question of what happen to Kushina and is Pein a Uncle to Naruto or a brother. So Jiraiya knew about jumping into the mouth of your summon but it still doesn't look good for Jiraiya. Even if he can hold his ground with Pein there is still the chick and he might be surprise to see Pein's face and let his guard down.
u_nick
August 24th, 2007, 05:35 PM
Going along with the Sasuke/Itachi relation ship, it would make a Naruto/Pein brother relationship very possible.
edit: just finished reading. WOW, that was incredible. When Tsunade & Jiraiya were talking, I think I almost started crying. The two of their feelings, the friendship between the two of them, and how they talked of Naruto and his family with love. it was incredible. Definitely my favorite chapter in a while.
and HA! Both Tsunade and Jiraiya agree that Kakashi is a shoe-in for eventually becoming a Hokage! :D
DarkNataku
August 24th, 2007, 06:27 PM
Kakashi should be the next Hokage. lol Maybe Naruto is also going to meet Sasuke and Itachi at the hideout. Why go to Naruto first maybe put Sasuke in a corner where he might have to kill Naruto in order to get MS.
Nomnomnom
August 24th, 2007, 09:36 PM
The one big problem I have with Kakashi becoming the next hokage is that he has low levels of chakra. He might be able to win a fight with his copy jutsu, but as we've seen before his chakra can run out, which could be a death sentence for a Hokage.
Gasaraki
August 24th, 2007, 11:11 PM
Wow an actually important chapter for once. We learn the 4th's name, get confirmation of his fatherhood to Naruto, AND learn his mother's name. Goooood ****. Chapter seems misnamed though O_o
kt-san
August 25th, 2007, 10:20 AM
Very good chapter. Seems like the series is winding down.
Mint Arden
August 25th, 2007, 02:07 PM
Finally people can stop debating about who Naruto's dad is. -___-
Jinto117
August 25th, 2007, 02:50 PM
Sorry guys, but I'm Naruto's real father.
Itachi is starting to remind me of Naraku with all his puppet specters. Based on Pain's apparent age, I would surmise he is more likely to be Naruto's brother then his uncle. If he was Naruto's uncle then I would expect him to be much older, at least older then Kakashi to be on par with Naruto's mothers age. Although siblings don't always have to be close age wise.
SonRyu
August 25th, 2007, 03:11 PM
While I'm not saying this is the case, as I'm sure it's not, age isn't really a factor... you as a niece/nephew _can_ have an aunt/uncle younger than you. Not a pleasant thought, but it does happen :P
My guess though is that Pein/Pain is an older half brother.
Cow
August 25th, 2007, 03:17 PM
The 4th was very young, it would be a half sibling at most.
DarkNataku
August 25th, 2007, 07:42 PM
The one big problem I have with Kakashi becoming the next hokage is that he has low levels of chakra. He might be able to win a fight with his copy jutsu, but as we've seen before his chakra can run out, which could be a death sentence for a Hokage.
His chakra is his only weakness. But he can open atleast one of the inner gates.
MightyDustLoop
August 25th, 2007, 07:57 PM
Dang, an awesome chapter and an awesome episode in a single week. Will probably never happen again, but sweet.
wyrd
August 25th, 2007, 09:35 PM
Lots of interesting revelations, but I'm wondering about 2 things: How(or why) did the 4th manage to not let the majority in his village know that the then village chief's wife is pregnant with a child? Shouldn't it have been a joyous occasion? Did he have to be that secretive?
And if the above assumption is wrong (which meant most knew), then how on earth did they not treat Naruto a little more nicely and gave him a foster home. He's the son of the former village chief and saviour after all, surely the bigwigs could do something about him >.> .
Hopefully Kishimoto can explain this eventually.
Lone Signal
August 25th, 2007, 09:44 PM
I'll need to look at way earlier chapters, but I'm pretty sure the people knew, it's just they were more scared of the beast within him, and therefore shunned him eventually.
Nomnomnom
August 25th, 2007, 10:36 PM
Answering the question about why the third kept his child a seceret from those around him could have been tied to the war that was going on at that time, could have had something to do with the warl pool country.
ffl
August 25th, 2007, 10:55 PM
Yeah. Also, Gaara is the son of the former Kazekage, yet he was still treated wrong by others. Regardless of whether the villagers knew about Naruto's relation to the Yondaime Hokage, it's likely that most villagers who weren't in the know would still treat him as the Kyuubi. Based upon all of the previous chapters of Naruto though, and the reactions that he's gotten from people, I don't think that his lineage is known to any outside of a small circle. If everyone knew that he was the Yondaime's child, a lot more people would've been rooting for him during the Chuunin exams instead of Neji. "Hyuuga clan genius? He won't stand a chance against the son of the Fourth Hokage." I'm sure we can all recall that Naruto's reception was the opposite of that.
u_nick
August 26th, 2007, 07:10 AM
I agree with the above thoughts on why. Obviously Jiraiya and Tsunade know, so I'm sure SOME people know. I think Kakashi knows as well, due to a couple scenes in the past, he just hast come out and said anything yet. The wartime-idea is a good one too, they might have just kept it as secret as possible. Also, Naruto was an infant, so who knows if it the Kyuubi seal really was very very early on, when he was only a couple days or weeks old maybe?
also, think of the other recent pregnancy: Kurenai. We knew, and Kurenai and Asume knew it, but it didnt seem like it was really talked about at all. Shikamaru found out, and didnt go blabbing everywhere, he just did what was needed to be done.
Cow
August 26th, 2007, 08:15 AM
Sarotobi said that Naruto was meant to be the hero of the village. Instead because of the Bijou [kyuubi] everyone was scared to death of him.
Why he was not told he was the 4ths son is actually a little elusive.
Hopefully the reason will be good other than, I NEEDED TO KEEP PEOPLE WATCHING- KISHI.
ffl
August 26th, 2007, 10:38 AM
I'm guessing it's just the way the Yondaime wanted Naruto to grow up. He wanted him to become his own man instead of living under his father's shadow.
Cow
August 26th, 2007, 11:43 AM
I don't consider that to be an acceptable answer considering the loneliness Naruto went through. It could of made a world of difference knowing even though his father was dead he was not alone.
ffl
August 26th, 2007, 12:35 PM
Well, considering how brash and loudmouthed Naruto is and has been, he would've been quick to announce it to everyone that he came across. Considering his relative lack of skill at the beginning, it would've just come across as hot air. He would've been more like Obito if that had happened, since Obito always brought up his heritage, but Kakashi would've made derogatory comments anyway.
Anyway, when it comes to the point of loneliness, I'll just point again to Gaara. Everyone knew who his father was, but that certainly didn't gain him any more friends than Naruto. The curse of a jinchuuriki, I suppose.
Cow
August 26th, 2007, 04:02 PM
He is obviously brash and loud to get attention, due to his loneliness. The "to become his own man" is a gay explanation.
ffl
August 26th, 2007, 07:01 PM
Gaara and Sasuke were also lonely, but they weren't exactly loud nor brash. Naruto's personality did not develop the way that it did due to only being lonely. Even if he did grow up with a nuclear family, his personality would still lean towards being loud and brash. In regards to it being a "gay explanation", there's not much to address with that since it's just a position with no points.
Cow
August 26th, 2007, 09:15 PM
I just hope if the reason is ever told, it has more substance.
Yondaime-Kage
August 26th, 2007, 09:36 PM
Wow.
I know this is crazy late,
Right before I read the chapter...I thought for a second, that Pein was not necessarily....The FOURTH. But I did think he was Naruto's father.
THANK YOU KISHIMOTO.
gameoffreak8
August 27th, 2007, 11:08 AM
Good chapter. I think Pein is Naruto's older brother.
Brill
August 27th, 2007, 01:42 PM
Well I'll concede things are looking a bit bleaker for Jiraya but I still don't think he's gonna die just yet. Why can't Pein be Kasime's younger brother-that makes him Naruto's uncle. I don't think they're half-brothers. I don't see the 4th as an adulterer,
ffl
August 27th, 2007, 05:48 PM
If there's any relationship, it would be that Pein is the brother of Uzumaki Kushina, thereby making him Naruto's uncle. That's if there is any relationship of blood between them.
SonRyu
August 27th, 2007, 06:01 PM
Well I'll concede things are looking a bit bleaker for Jiraya but I still don't think he's gonna die just yet. Why can't Pein be Kasime's younger brother-that makes him Naruto's uncle. I don't think their half-brothers. I don't see the 4th as an adulterer,When _I_ said Pein could be Naruto's half-brother, I didn't mean as another son of the 4th, I meant as another son of Kushina (with a different father). Though I AM more apt to believe that Pein is Kushina's brother.
Mikadzuki Tatsu
August 27th, 2007, 06:25 PM
After catching up on the last 12 chapters (was I ever behind), all I have to say about this chapter is...
IT'S ABOUT DAMN TIME, KISHIMOTO! You didn't have to wait 367 chapters, though. Though I guess this does make things a whole lot more interesting. Now all you have to do is tell us what happened to Naruto's mother. I'm assuming she died when Naruto was an infant - perhaps she died in the war? Perhaps in the battle against the kyuubi?
As for the possibility of Pein being related to Naruto... I can't even wrap my brain around that right now. I actually didn't catch the resemblance between Naruto and Pein, but that could have been because I was distracted by Pein's piercings. (Pardon the bad pun, but those look peinful.) For some reason, I'm more apt to think that the resemblance is coincidential, rather than an indication of a blood relationship between Naruto and Pein, but I could be wrong.
Cow
August 27th, 2007, 06:37 PM
We now know the 4th sealed the kyuubi in his son using Shiki Fūjin, my opinion, not the greatest father.
Also Tatsu, the relationship in terms of looks between Pein and Naruto is quite obvious.
DarkNataku
August 27th, 2007, 08:03 PM
I'm sure someone else was willing to offer there son or daughter. Naruto and Gaara both had demons sealed inside them by their father and im sure that some of the other jinchūrikis had people they knew or blood related seal other demons in them.
Mikadzuki Tatsu
August 28th, 2007, 06:54 AM
We now know the 4th sealed the kyuubi in his son using Shiki Fūjin, my opinion, not the greatest father.
Well, what parent would want a demon sealed inside their child? If the Hokage wasn't willing to seal the demon within his own child, then why should he expect any of his villagers to want the demon sealed within their children? That would be hypocritical of him.
Besides, the Yondaime wasn't planning on Naruto being rejected on account of having the kyuubi sealed within him. He hoped that the people would see Naruto as a hero. If he were alive and had seen what had actually happened to his son, I'm sure he would regret sealing the kyuubi in him.
Also Tatsu, the relationship in terms of looks between Pein and Naruto is quite obvious.
I never said it wasn't obvious that the two of them looked alike. I just said I didn't see it at first, because I was distracted by Pein's painful-looking piercings. I see it now.
ffl
August 28th, 2007, 10:42 AM
I didn't notice any similarity between Pein and Naruto until others pointed it out to me. The eyes and the piercings just cover up any obvious similarity.
Jinto117
August 28th, 2007, 10:39 PM
It would be kinda of cool none the less if Naruto and Pein were related. Ya'know, to counter the Itachi&Sasuke brotherhood. However I doubt this will be the case. Kishimoto has put such an emphasis on Naruto considering Sasuke like a brother, I doubt they will be related, or at the very least brothers. Uncle and nephew is more likely to be the case.
cloudclone001
October 2nd, 2007, 04:37 PM
I know this thread is old but I cant believe that after 366 chapters of people waiting for it to be announced that the 4th was Narutos father, people are already saying theres a relationship between Naruto and this Pein guy.
SonRyu
October 2nd, 2007, 05:24 PM
I know this thread is old but I cant believe that after 366 chapters of people waiting for it to be announced that the 4th was Narutos father, people are already saying theres a relationship between Naruto and this Pein guy.Well, at the time it was said because of their similarity in looks (but that was said before we knew "Pein" was switching bodies, and now the body we first see him in is not likely to be his original one anyway), and that he's from the same country as Naruto's mom (which still makes a relationship a possibility). Shonen manga is always predictable to a point, so it's only natural for people to come to those kind of opinions/theories.
ffl
October 2nd, 2007, 08:57 PM
Just to clarify, the Rain village isn't necessarily in the Wave Country, or rather, the former Wave Country. We still don't know where the Wave Country is or what country the Rain village is in.
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