Rock Lee weak?

[Dark_Knight]

I don't read the manga, so I'm not positive about this, but has anyone else noticed that despite his abilities Rock Lee has yet to win a singe 'serious' battle? Thinking on his past major battles, Rock Lee has never seemed to win a a single, and all of his moments to shine, have always ended in him getting his *** kicked. Examples of this are:

-His fight against Dousu
-His fight against Gaara
-His fight against Kimimaru
-His fight against Kisame

All of these instances, he seems to demonstrate some new, powerful ability, only to discover *gasp* it's utterly useless in the long run.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...yes. yes, he is.

[max_powers]

he only lost because Kishi needed him to lose. I'd say that at the semi-finals of the chunnin exams, Gaara was the ONLY person there who he would've lost to. His attacks were interrupted each time (by softened ground, sand clones and cushioning, etc). If any of those attacks actually connected, I'm pretty sure the opponent would be dead, or at least seriously f-ed up.

[ffl]

Rock Lee's gotten the shaft in numerous ways. If he hadn't though, he wouldn't be the character that he is today... for better or worse. Rock Lee wins at life though. Episode 100 and on is proof.

[Dark_Knight]

Still, I hate seeing the skills that Lee has go to waste. It's like despite the fact he's a good clip above the average ninja, all he's good for is getting kicked around.

[Chef Wun]

Granted he can't combat Ninjustsu or Genjutsu, but with Taijustu alone he kicks ***, i mean the people he fought were just stronger than him. And he would have beaten Gaara if he was as strong as Gai and using the eight gates didnt hurt him.

[DarkSeraph]

Yer it'll be nice to see him improve some more (if he even can) maybe he can learn a new skill...

[Phantom]

I didn't like it when sasuke shows up after training for the chunnin exams and suddenly he is as fast as rock lee and knows all his moves after only two months of training. If i was rock lee i would be crushed that someone could just copy my skills after only two months of training.

I mean at least make him the best ninja in the use of Taijustu. Well he is the best out of the kids but not by enough. I mean why shouldn't be be able to beat Neji? He wouldn't even be able to lay a hand on him.

[DarkSeraph]

I thought he was only as fast as Lee with his weights on...?

[kt-san]

I thought he was only as fast as Lee with his weights on...?

not before the two months of training. if that would have been the case, Lee wouldn't have owned Sasuke before the exams started. That's when Lee told Sasuke even if his eyes could follow his movements, his body couldn't keep up.

[DarkNataku]

-His fight against Dousu
-His fight against Gaara
-His fight against Kimimaru
-His fight against Kisame

-Against Dousu he didn't know he would be attack by sound and he also had to worry about the other guy he was originally fighting.

-Gaara would have been beat hands down he didn't have the sand helping him.

-Kimimaru was a beast and with that kekkei genkai and Lee just got the operation from Tsunade. Even Gaara almost got killed by Kimimaru.

-Against Kisame's body clone even Guy had to open 6 gates to beat the clone that was only 30% of Kisame's true strenght.

[Phantom]

So the bottom line is when ever there is a super strong opponent they give them rock lee so that Naruto and Sasuke can avoid losing to keep the fans happy.

[max_powers]

precisely!

And about Sasuke's speed in the chunnin exam finals, I believe they state that keeping up that speed takes a tremendous toll on his stamina. He was panting within seconds. Lee's got the endurance.

[Animematt55]

I didn't like it when sasuke shows up after training for the chunnin exams and suddenly he is as fast as rock lee and knows all his moves after only two months of training. If i was rock lee i would be crushed that someone could just copy my skills after only two months of training.

I mean at least make him the best ninja in the use of Taijustu. Well he is the best out of the kids but not by enough. I mean why shouldn't be be able to beat Neji? He wouldn't even be able to lay a hand on him.

That is cause it really is about sasuke and naruto. Sasuke is like some natural super ninja that can do anything just by looking at it. Like someone said, Lee (and other minor characters) are just there to take on the big guys at first, so Sasuke/Naruto don't get killed (again?)

[DarkNataku]

And unlike Sasuke or Neji, Lee has to TRAIN AND WORK HARD to get where he is right now. Sasuke will just copy it with his sharingan and train a week and master that technique.

[Phantom]

Oh well i guess Rock lee is still one of the high end characters out of Naruto as he could still beat 90% of the other characters. He should be able to beat Neji as if he can push Gaara that far then he shouldn't have too much trouble with him. Also so what if Neji blocks Lees chakra, Lee can even use it so thats one more thing that Lee has going for him.

[kt-san]

Oh well i guess Rock lee is still one of the high end characters out of Naruto as he could still beat 90% of the other characters. He should be able to beat Neji as if he can push Gaara that far then he shouldn't have too much trouble with him. Also so what if Neji blocks Lees chakra, Lee can even use it so thats one more thing that Lee has going for him.

That's a very good point you got there. I would love to see them fight, even spar just to see what the outcome would be.

[DarkNataku]

Well Neji will be able to close the gates if Lee opens them.

[kt-san]

Well Neji will be able to close the gates if Lee opens them.

that's if he's able to keep up with Lee's speed.

[DarkNataku]

Well Lee has to get close to attack and Neji might just be able to close it and he has that spin move.

[Dj_Saito]

Rock Lee does get the shaft and they love to make him seem weird or goofy.....along with gai <_<;;

[ecchi]

No, Rock Lee is strong. He's limited to taijutsu but he's stronger than most Naruto characters already.

[SuikenMaster]

IMO.. rock in my eyes is the strongest of all because he had to train twice as harder then anyone else. Now imagine... if he drank endless amounts of saki! He would kill everyone!!!! ><

[DarkNataku]

IMO.. rock in my eyes is the strongest of all because he had to train twice as harder then anyone else. Now imagine... if he drank endless amounts of saki! He would kill everyone!!!! ><

And himself with some alcohol poisoning. lol

[Cupi~chan]

I like Rock Lee. He' s strong, maybe not the strongest but somewhere between the middle and the top. It' s too bad there' re always grudges against him, favoritism (he' s always used to get people stronger, or sasuke copies his techniques...that was in the past though...Now, I dunno)...

[Ikari Warrior]

I guess I'll jump in here and say that Rock Lee is still just a student/kid. You're going to put him up against super-killers (with the exception of fellow-student gaara), of course he's going to be smashed to bits.

If Naruto ever ends, and they make another series where all the characters are adults (a-la DBZ), Rock Lee would probably be one of the top 3 fighters.

He can still kick Sakura's sorry butt, that's for sure :P

[Randometic_Poet]

I think I have to agree with fll, honestly. Despite Lee's loss at a majority of his most important battles, Lee coninues to grow, and learn. That, I honestly think is a better quality than kicking someone's arse. And besides, Lee has great morals, great goals, and great stamina. That in the long run makes up for his inablility to use Ninjutsu or Genjutsu as a whole, and makes him for a very interesting character.

[Randometic_Poet]

No, Rock Lee is strong. He's limited to taijutsu but he's stronger than most Naruto characters already.

Hoesntly, Ecchi, I would have to disagree with you there. Although Lee is a very strong-willed character despite his inablility to use taijutsu, there are many of his shinobi peers that could easily surpass Lee. Maybe not in the beginning of the series, but now. At all depends how far you are into the series, you know?

[MissSasuke]

Physically speaking, Lee is by far the strongest : punch : due to all the effort he puts into that type of training. However, due to his inability to practice non-physical jutsus, such as genjutsu, he is fairly easy to defeat in battle then some other shinobis of his age.

[MissSasuke]

:punch: :punch:

[GoldSteel]

He is the best! strong! fast! stylish!

I dont care if he never win in battle... he still the best! I dont think he is weak at all! he has courage!

He almost beat Gara! a dangerous character of all at that time.

[Lone Signal]

Too bad Gaara isn't good enough to survive dirty tricks.

[animegurl]

I don't think of him weak so much as passionate.. lol

[GoldSteel]

I don't think of him weak so much as passionate.. lol
yeahhhhhhhhhhh

[Rock_Lee]

Rock Lee is STRONG. When you think of it, he almost defeated Gaara. Actually he did if Gaara was just a normal person. He's the one always training all the time to prove his worth even though others think of him as weak. Why did Naruto had to defeat Neiji... Why not Lee?

[Phantom]

Yeah Neiji and Rock Lee couldn't have battled in the past year or so as theirs no way that Rock Lee would lose to him given the strength he had when he battled Garaa. Neiji must have beaten him a while ago and they haven't had a real no holes bared re-match.

[Aya Nakamura]

In my opinion Rock Lee is the best example of a strong ninja because unlike virtually every other character he wasnt born with any special gifts to make him stronger he unlike the others made himself stronger

[Sakura-chan]

I agree with you.

[yasly]

A side the topic:I think Rock Lee must have the hottest body of the hole bunch,with all that training of his^^.
Rock Lee is really really strong but he just hasn't got any luck.He's always up against much stronger opponents that even nobody else could defeat if they had to.Thinking about Gaara for example.And in the series Gai sensei says so himself:"Luck is part of one's strength" and that's the part Rock Lee scores really poorly and that's why we sometimes doubt his capacities.

[kimimaro]

...I didn't read this topic till the end, but enough of it.
That is why sasuke is put in the skies, cause he can master everything in an amount of time that is practically impossible. That's why sasuke gets on our nerves. It's why Sharingan is the most feared doujutsu (well, not counting tha new renn-sth thing-y)

And how can you not get, that by Naruto beating Neji doesn't mean he can beat everyone Neji beat.... It depends on the fighting styles and abilities, some of the characters are supposed to win like *snap* that against some others, while the one they beat may be the strongest in their field. Take Tayuya and Temari for an example. Tayuya was fairly strong, but Temari was her natural enemy. Tayuya may have killed thousands, and by that it doesn't mean temari can kill them. If Tayuya killed one strong Fire wielder, Temari probably wouldn't stand a chance, seeing as what we know of wind and fire. '-.-

So simply by that, at the beginning (as I said I didn't read the whole topic) your reasoning is pretty much confused and really has nothing to do with winning by default.