FFXIII looks crummy so far....

[seba_boi]

After an epic-looking and swash-buckling masterpiece that is FFXII, FFXIII, by comparison, looks like an Ultraviolet wannabe... >_< Anybody else thinks this?....

[Sendo Takeshi]

Watch out. Rahxephon91 might hate you after saying that. But yeah, the game doesn't look all that intriguing. I'm still trying to find the gameplay within the footage that was thrown out there a while back. I'll get back to you when I hear someone mention that they actually held the controller while playing the game.

It's all graphical fluff for now.

[XxKamishiroxX]

The main character looks like Yuna all over again. Come on Square Enix, let's see something different for a change...

[Westlo]

The main character looks like Yuna all over again.

X was your first FF?

[XxKamishiroxX]

X was your first FF?

No. My first was one of the ones for SNES or NES, I forget which one exactly though. I get your point though, seeing as there's a character that looks like Yuna in FF8 as well, but she wasn't the main character. FFX-2 sucked, so I really don't wanna see another Yuna looking character as the main character again...

[Rahxephon91]

Yep FFXIII looks awesome if you ask me. Then again its by the FFX team and I loved X. Though if you didn't like X, I can understand why you wouldn't be into XIII that much. But every little tidbit I've read points to XIII being a far darker and different FFXIII. Something Kitase been wanting to do for awhile.

Though if you say XIII has bad graphics your an idiot.

And lol at looking like Yuna. Lighting is possibly Nomrua's best female design.

Yeah she looks like Yuna:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Rahxephon91/17567_viploader391388_122_476lo.jpg

[Hara!]

Lightning is the dumbest name I have ever been witness to since Cloud, Loz, Yazoo, Squall, Tidus, Vaan...

[seba_boi]

I'm not saying the graphics look awful, but it looks the least inspired of all Final Fantasies so far... Granted, there's not enough screencaps to sway my final assessments of the game, but the two main characters so far are just so "seen it" cool-faced models who seems to be more fit for a cologne/perfume commercial than shooting guns/swinging swords... And Lightning (yeah, that's not a very flattering codename) seems like an Ashe fan from the looks of her wardrobe:

http://simplyff.free.fr/FF12/artworks/ashe.jpg


Oh, and PS: FFX rocked... :) Very solid gameplay...

[crow-kun]

Lightning is the dumbest name I have ever been witness to since Cloud, Loz, Yazoo, Squall, Tidus, Vaan...Is a codename such a hard concept to grasp?And Lightning (yeah, that's not a very flattering codename)Neither is Deep Throat. :naughty:

[Danju]

I agree, somewhat. I'm not really interested in FFXIII at all, though it is visually pleasing and "Lightning" is a babe. In all honesty I haven't like an FF since FFIX. I didn't like X, I didn't like XI, I didn't like X-2 and I didn't like XII.

[Siendra]

XIII has my interest, I'm actually looking forward to it somewhat. Which is a big thing in my mind since I hate VIII, X, X-2, XI, and XII.

[ryushe]

In all honesty I haven't like an FF since FFIX. I didn't like X, I didn't like XI, I didn't like X-2 and I didn't like XII.
Quoted for extreme truth.

You know what made me not like the FF series?......Voice Acting :P

But yeah, It's not that FFXIII doesn't look interesting, I just lost interest altogether with the FF series. In all honesty, the "Tales of" series is looking waaaaaay more promising right now

[gameoffreak8]

Final Fantasy XIII looks interesting to me. I loved Final Fantasy series execpt Final Fantasy XI. I have to agree about Lightning looks like Yuna.

[Danju]

You know what made me not like the FF series?......Voice Acting :P
Yeah, the voice acting actually does bother me a bit. Well, the English voices anyway. They were terrible in X and even worse in FFXII. Except for Fran. I'm one of the few that really liked her voice.
But yeah, It's not that FFXIII doesn't look interesting, I just lost interest altogether with the FF series.
That actually may be my problem. What I've seen of FFXIII has been really cool, but after all the disappointment I've gotten since IX I've just given up.
In all honesty, the "Tales of" series is looking waaaaaay more promising right now
There's yet to be a Tales game I haven't really enjoyed. Though I've never really thought of it, I guess I'm much more a Tales fan.

[Rahxephon91]

Wait Wait! Final Fantasy XII had bad voice acting?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Rahxephon91/6gswjzp.gif

Same goes for that Tales looks more promising crap. Abyss was the only good one from that franchise. All the others are beyond bad. And we haven't seen Team Symphonia's next game.

[ryushe]

Wait Wait! Final Fantasy XII had bad voice acting?
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Rahxephon91/6gswjzp.gif

Lolz

Anyway, I can't agree that FFXII had bad voice acting, actually it was maybe it's only saving grace, but I did enjoy Final Fantasies (?) more so without a voice to a character...

My big thing isn't the voice acting, even though it contributes to it, I gotta say though ever since FFIX, the FF series onward just don't seem to have any "core" or "substance" to it anymore. They were just passing stories to me. Nothing memorable.

EDIT:
Same goes for that Tales looks more promising crap. Abyss was the only good one from that franchise. All the others are beyond bad. And we haven't seen Team Symphonia's next game.
Meh, Can just chalk it up to different stokes I guess. I've played 3 "Tales of" games (Phantasia, Symphonia and Abyss) and I've really enjoyed them and this is during the time I've played three not so good, almost averaging on bad FF's (IMO, cause' everyone seems to forget this) FFX, FFX-2 and especially FFXII.

[cris]

Of course the char is going to look the same....
it's like asking why does Dragon Ball look like Dr. Slump. Why does FFVI concept art look like FFV, why does DJ Celica look like DJ Erica, why does It's a Wonderful World look like Kingdom Hearts.....-.-

[Westlo]

Lighting is possibly Nomrua's best female design.

Yeah I have to agree there, definately better than Tifa, Aeris, Rinoa, Garnet and Charlies Angels.

[Vaikyuko]

Huh, decent chunk of FFX hate. Go fig, I thought it had the best story of any of the FFs I've ever played (XII notwithstanding, because I STILL haven't finished it).

I'm interested in XIII. By interested, I mean I'll play it when it comes out and judge then, the same way I did every other FF I've ever played.

[throughhim413]

Same goes for that Tales looks more promising crap. Abyss was the only good one from that franchise. All the others are beyond bad. And we haven't seen Team Symphonia's next game.Spoken in words of absolute wisdom from someone who has played all of them no doubt. ;)

And FFXIII? I don't have a PS3 and don't ever plan to at this point, so it would be fair to call my interest "low". It looks nice, and I have a tendency to play FF even though the series holds no real special place for me. Still, the game has looked graphically impressive, which is about all there is to judge it on at this point.

[Chousho]

And lol at looking like Yuna. Lighting is possibly Nomrua's best female design.
I was going to say, "Her name is Lighting? WTF type of name is Lighting?" then I saw you made a type, so instead I'll say "Her name is Lightning? WTF type of name is Lightning?"

At least "Cloud" is a cool name. I mean, if it was Sky (*cough*FFXI*) or Ministroni, then I might agree. I mean, even Squall was an ok name, but Lightning? I mean, I guess Storm was taken by the X-Men, but they need to find a new theme. I'll give up on the FF series when a character named "Tropical Depression" shows up.

[Westlo]

Cloud and Squall are stupid because they're actually names, Lightning is the code word.

[ryushe]

I bet 10 years ago in '97 when people first heard "Cloud" they were going ape **** to.

[Vaikyuko]

Cloud and Squall are stupid because they're actually names, Lightning is the code word.

Dunno about anyone else, but personally, while I think Cloud is an utterly retarded name, Squall is a great name.

[Rahxephon91]

Spoken in words of absolute wisdom from someone who has played all of them no doubt. ;)


You don't need to play every installment to know you don't like the series.

I've played Legendia, Symphonia, Destiny 2, and whatever the 1st games name is. And you know what? They were all bad generic anime influenced games. Abyss though that was only good one.

[Anamin]

You don't need to play every installment to know you don't like the series.

I've played Legendia, Symphonia, Destiny 2, and whatever the 1st games name is. And you know what? They were all bad generic anime influenced games. Abyss though was good one.

I dunno, I rather like Symphonia.

[cris]

Names are names, who cares..... i never seen so much fuss over a name of a damn character. Lightning, Thunder, Erotica, Wii, Playstaiton, who cares...it's just a form of describing a character.

[throughhim413]

You don't need to play every installment to know you don't like the series.

I've played Legendia, Symphonia, Destiny 2, and whatever the 1st games name is. And you know what? They were all bad generic anime influenced games. Abyss though was good one.Well, I've got no desire to try and convince you otherwise, and certainly never did, but making a sweeping generalization after playing less then half of the series seems to be jumping to conclusions to me. I'm assuming that you played the localized Tales of Eternia (called Tales of Destiny II in the US) and along with the others, it's fair to say that you didn't even play a full cross-section of the series, even in regard to gameplay. And as far as story goes, trying to call EVERY game in the series a "bad anime-influenced game" is just as ridiculous as trying to stereotype every game in the Final Fantasy series based on the plots of only a few of the games. The Tales series games stand alone, as do the FF games. Therefore, each game must be evaluated individually in that regard.

On the other hand, if you dislike the entire series based on the action-RPG system used by the Tales games, well, I can't fault you for that, that's just opinion after all. My apologies for the off-topic-ness.

[cris]

well if someone played 4 games in the series, I personally think it's enough to make an opinion for the entire series. Whether you think it's valid or not, or not what you think, opinions are opinion and 4 is a lot of single titles tried in a series, 3 probably is enough in fact to make your own opinion on the series.

"stereotype every game in the Final Fantasy series based on the plots of only a few of the games. The Tales series games stand alone, as do the FF games. Therefore, each game must be evaluated individually in that regard."

I agree to that to the fullest, but unfortunately, that's not how human minds work. You can like the first 3 in the series (example) and the rest may suck, but if you're a hardcore fan, it's general as human nature to "force yourself" like the bad ones, same goes for the opposite situation and most of the time the person won't even notice that they are doing that to themselves. It's human nature, you can't do anything about it

[throughhim413]

Well, listing Tales of Legendia is somewhat like listing FFX-2 when talking about Final Fantasy. It has it's fans, but the majority opinion is that the game is only worth playing for the overall story and the music. People don't like the gameplay and a fair number even among Tales fans hate the game. Also, I didn't really know which version of Tales of Phantasia (the first game in series) Rahxephon91 played, but that makes a rather large different in the experience one has with it. But you're right in what you say. If you have played 4 games in a series ALL THE WAY through, certainly that should be enough to generalize about the series, even considering the fact that the Tales games are very different from game to game.

[Hajime Saitou]

well if someone played 4 games in the series, I personally think it's enough to make an opinion for the entire series. Whether you think it's valid or not, or not what you think, opinions are opinion and 4 is a lot of single titles tried in a series, 3 probably is enough in fact to make your own opinion on the series.

No, it's enough to make up your own opinion on the ones you played. The Tales games are not all identical just like all FF games are not identical.

I agree to that to the fullest, but unfortunately, that's not how human minds work. You can like the first 3 in the series (example) and the rest may suck, but if you're a hardcore fan, it's general as human nature to "force yourself" like the bad ones, same goes for the opposite situation and most of the time the person won't even notice that they are doing that to themselves. It's human nature, you can't do anything about it

Or someone could just like some of the games and dislike the rest? If you're a hardcore fan, you should be the first to note when the sucking starts.

[cris]

If you have played 4 games in a series ALL THE WAY through
I disagree, the first hour or so is enough. If you can't get into the game within that hour, then 99% of chance you won't for the rest of the game.

Never once has my expectation or opposite changed after the first 1-2 hours and if you can't get in to the game early enough, I personally think it's a waste of money. There shouldn't be a need to make you that wait that long to have a game become good.

No one is judging anyone (at least I don't think) and opinions are opinions, everyone is entitled to have their own mind.

[throughhim413]

For gameplay yes, you can tell if you'll like a game or not. But in terms of story, an hour of playing is only enough to tell if you're interested in the story. I don't think it's enough to offer meaningful criticism, which is what RahX did when he talked about them being "bad generic anime influenced games". I'm not saying you can't form an opinion on a game in less time, but I think it's kind of silly to make a criticism on how a game's story or influence is if you don't see it through to the end. Mind you, I don't know if he played all the way through the games, so I'm speaking in generalities here, not about RahX91's comments specifically.

[cris]

Again, it is enough because Opinions are Opinions. They are using the same "series name" which is enough for a user to make their opinion on that entire series based on the games they played.

If you want to argue on that,blame Namco for using the same series name.

[Hajime Saitou]

I don't think an hour is enough to do anything, other than for someone to come on an internet forum and ***** about how bad they hated that game. And then it makes them look like an idiot.

The gameplay can change. New elements can be added in. Magic, summons, new characters, new systems that were disabled because the beginning of the game might be a tutorial phase, change in difficulty levels, etc.

Judging a game based on the first hour is ridiculous, and it makes you look like you work for Gamespot or something.

Again, it is enough because Opinions are Opinions. They are using the same "series name" which is enough for a user to make their opinion on that entire series based on the games they played.

If you want to argue on that,blame Namco for using the same series name.

I see you are hiding behind the opinion shield. Doesn't matter if it's an opinion or not, it's still stupid. You won't see a game at its fullest in the first hour. And the blame should be on people who blindly choose to dislike a game based on its "series name."

[throughhim413]

@cris:

Well, I agree with what you're saying. I'm disagree more as a fan of the series then as an unbiased source, so I'm happy just to leave it at that. Tales isn't for everyone, nor is Final Fantasy. In either case, I hate to see an entire series being criticized based only a few examples. I certainly respect opinions, that's not my issue. It's just that on a personal level I think it's a lot more fair for a person to say "I didn't like X game(s) in the series, but I haven't played the rest." I'm just hate seeing things being over-generalizing I suppose. I didn't mean to take things so off-topic, so once again, my apologies...

[cris]

How can there be an Opinion Shield...it's a damn Opinion. If you think I'm bashing the Tales of... series, then I'm not. I like the series as much as FF series.

A hour is way enough to judge a game on how good it is or not, a hour is 60 minutes, that's already 1/24 of the entire day right there and most likely 1/10 to 1/16th of a game already. Honestly, if you can't get into the game that quick, then it's not worth your money. Or is this consider as hiding behind the shield you speak of?

[Hajime Saitou]

How can there be an Opinion Shield...it's a damn Opinion. If you think I'm bashing the Tales of... series, then I'm not. I like the series as much as FF series.

Saying that anything is ok as long as it's an opinion is bull. You can't just say whatever you want, and then when someone comes in and says something else you hide behind your opinion shield. You're running away from the discussion. If it's your opinion, surely you feel strongly enough about it to back it up, right?

And I'm referring to your 1 hour is enough. This doesn't have anything to do with any specific series.

A hour is way enough to judge a game on how good it is or not, a hour is 60 minutes, that's already 1/24 of the entire day right there and most likely 1/10 to 1/16th of a game already.

Oh, I have to apologize. I didn't realize you were playing those 10 hour RPGs. :lol: Don't you mean it's more like 1/30 to 1/70 of the game?

Honestly, if you can't get into the game that quick, then it's not worth your money. Or is this consider as hiding behind the shield you speak of?

No, what you just said was an opinion. What you did before was say anything is ok as long as it is an opinion. You didn't make that statement anywhere in this post. Why did you bring that up?

[cris]

throughhim413, don't get me wrong. I like the Tales of... series a lot as well (excluding two from the series), but to me I took it as forcing your opinion to raxephon (another note: doesn't mean I agree with Rax, don't either). Why I didn't really mention Rax with this is because Rax stated an opinion, then people started attacking.

Personally, one can make an opinion within few minutes of watching / playing and think the game is bad. that's how opinions are created for majority

[cris]

RPG's , especially JRPGs are only about 10 to 20 hours long for the main sector of the game, i'm not including side-questing stuff because that's merely a fan service and has no relations with making a games impression in the way what we're talking about.

What we're doing is a discussion, but to Rax, it sounded like an attack, not discussion to me. The reason why I got into this.

[throughhim413]

Ah. If I came off that way, I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention. Only reason I bothered to post at all in reference to his post was that I felt he was over-generalizing about the series in a way that I didn't think was fair. He's of course welcome to his opinion and I wouldn't want him to play the Tales games since he doesn't like them. Everyone has their own taste, I recognize that as much as anyone, I promise. I just don't like opinion stated as fact or painting these pictures of series with such a broad brush. Like I said before, it bothers me when I see this kind of thing for any series, I just went out of my way to make a (probably unnecessary) comment this time because it was about the Tales series.

[Michael]

I think the one hour thing goes both ways.

I can easily form an opinion on a game within an hour, if it's not entertaining me at all within the hour, I'm probably just going to pack it up. Unless someone who's opinions/tastes I trust assures me that sticking through it will be worth it, I'll probably never touch it again.

I believe it's very important for a game to be able to hook you early.

There are plenty of games that start out slow but end up great. But there are far more that suck all the way through. I'm usually very unwilling enough to blindly guinea pig each one. :P

But then again, there are also those games that are actually on a downward spiral the more you progress. Like Star Ocean 3.

[Hajime Saitou]

RPG's , especially JRPGs are only about 10 to 20 hours long for the main sector of the game, i'm not including side-questing stuff because that's merely a fan service and has no relations with making a games impression in the way what we're talking about

Wow. Nice try. I'm not going to let you deflect the problem so easily. Why are you not including side-questing stuff? Because it would make your point look bad? You can't just pick and choose the parts of the game that make you look good. It doesn't work that way.

That side-questing is actually part of the game. I didn't have to go buy something seperate to get it. It's included just like everything else, in the same spot, available to me through the same method of play. Most of the time you don't even have to go out of your way to do it. If you choose to flat out ignore an entire aspect of the game, and then attempt to make a statement about the game as a whole, that's even worse than just not giving it a chance in the first place.

As for your last sentence, I see you are grasping at straws now. It's exactly what we're talking about here. Everything in the game makes an impression on the person playing it. If it's part of the game, it counts. Sorry if it doesn't work with what you're trying to say.

[cris]

Wow. Nice try. I'm not going to let you deflect the problem so easily. Why are you not including side-questing stuff?

I already told you, because it has no relations with what we're discussing. It has no relations with the opinion level we're talking about and is more of a fan service than anything else.

If it's part of the game, it counts. Sorry if it doesn't work with what you're trying to say.

Which basically means what we've been debating this entire time, everyone has their own opinion towards ANYTHING. What you're arguing with me in your opinion.

[Hajime Saitou]

^Opinion shield alert!

So instead of addressing what I'm saying with even a little bit of actual information, you're just going to say it's your opinion and run away. I'm satisfied with the text that's on this page. If you don't want to continue that's fine with me.

[cris]

So instead of addressing what I'm saying with even a little bit of actual information, you're just going to say it's your opinion and run away.

Read again, I did address why and explained why.

[Hajime Saitou]

Read again, I did address why and explained why.

Fair enough.

I already told you, because it has no relations with what we're discussing.

Why? We're discussing people discarding a game based on not giving it a chance.

It has no relations with the opinion level we're talking about

Why? See above.

and is more of a fan service than anything else.

Those arrogant game developers. Who the hell do they think they are, trying to make their game fun! All of that crap should be removed, so every RPG would supposedly be TEN HOURS LONG.

Which basically means what we've been debating this entire time, everyone has their own opinion towards ANYTHING.

Hmm...

I already told you, because it has no relations with what we're discussing.

Wow, re-reading this is not helping.

What you're arguing with me in your opinion.

No U.

[Vaikyuko]

RPG's , especially JRPGs are only about 10 to 20 hours long for the main sector of the game, i'm not including side-questing stuff because that's merely a fan service and has no relations with making a games impression in the way what we're talking about.

What we're doing is a discussion, but to Rax, it sounded like an attack, not discussion to me. The reason why I got into this.

Every RPG I've ever played (with a few exceptions, mainly those for games that have hardware restrictions due to being on older consoles, or being handheld ports, etc) has had a main story quest that lasts much longer than that. You sure about that 10-20 hour comment?

[cris]

yes, majority are around that long give or take few hours. This includes Final Fantasy and Tales of... i'm not saying all either.

[germanturkey]

well, it seems like theres a lot of x-2 hate here... x-2's story was ****, but the gameplay aspect wasn't bad at all. it actually seems like they're using x-2's fast action system in xiii, which has me excited because its the best system thus far.

more over, it seems like they're meshing xii and x-2's battle systems together. you should be able to move quite quick through areas if it is like that.

[Mooserocka]

I agree, somewhat. I'm not really interested in FFXIII at all, though it is visually pleasing and "Lightning" is a babe. In all honesty I haven't like an FF since FFIX. I didn't like X, I didn't like XI, I didn't like X-2 and I didn't like XII.

I loved 12. Yea X was ok at best x-2 was charlies angels the game. Lightning cant be her real name i hope they change it at release. There is gonna be 2 ff's versus and just ff 13. So i hope they are both to liking. She doesnt really look original but we never had an ff main character as a girl before. That was actualy an ff. Well see how it turns out casue so far the graphics look amazing. Lets just hope story and graphics look the same. They shoulda made penelo the main char or a penello look alike. She was amazing lol.

[Westlo]

It's not her real name, it's a code name and her design is leagues better than Vaan and Tidus the last 2 lead FF characters.

[Mooserocka]

yea i agree. I kinda figured they would change it . Lightning is prob the magic shes best at though. I like how she looks so far. The game will be good we cant say it sux until it comes out. I give EVERY game a chance like suikeden 5 everyone said it sucked im playin it now and i LOVE it.

[Westlo]

Yeah Suikoden 5 was a great game, nice return ot form for the series.

Back to the OP I went looking for some pics and I must be blind but apart from being a female Nomura design how does she look like Yuna?

http://www.ff-xiii.net/images/screens/119lightning.jpg

[Danju]

Yeah Suikoden 5 was a great game, nice return ot form for the series.

Back to the OP I went looking for some pics and I must be blind but apart from being a female Nomura design how does she look like Yuna?
I've been wondering the same thing. I'm just not seeing the resemblance.

[demon_arian]

Nomura's designs always make me laugh.

[seba_boi]

I'm a big fan of Nomura's designs, but Lightining looks like a gal having a bad hair day.... :( While the other guy with the toque looks like a rehash of his past works....

[MightyDustLoop]

yea i agree. I kinda figured they would change it . Lightning is prob the magic shes best at though. I like how she looks so far. The game will be good we cant say it sux until it comes out. I give EVERY game a chance like suikeden 5 everyone said it sucked im playin it now and i LOVE it.

Who told you V sucked. Everyone I know and every forum I visit pretty much considers it the best Suikoden since II. I personally thought III and I were almost equally as good, but overhype aside, if Sui V had sucked, I'd have given up on the series. Now I'm hoping we'll see more.

[Manafairy]

Ironically, as someone who isn't by any stretch of the term a Final Fantasy fan, Final Fantasy Versus XIII is the first one since VIII that I've actually been at least sort of, vaguely, almost hyped for (Although hopefully that won't be anywhere near as absurdly disappointing as said FFVIII happened to be).

But then again, I still haven't played FFXII yet ($30, even for the Collectors addition, still seems a bit much to me for a game that even the fans say is craptastic) so once I do that, my already extremely-low-but-still-slightly-there level of hype for FFVsXIII will probably be gone completely. On top of that, even without being able to say that XII killed the very little remaining hope I had in the series, just plain old regular Final Fantasy XIII without the "versus" hasn't caught my eye at all as of yet, so I guess I can still agree that it "looks crummy so far" anyways.

But then, who knows, maybe it'll surprise everyone (Not at all likely, but it could happen..... possibly...)

[Westlo]

I'm seen far more positive opinions for FFXII than negative, even with a weak story and character development (what do you expect when the head guy jumped ship halfway through) XII is still a great game.

Thankfully the recently announced Last Remant looks to be the "successor" to FFXII.

[Manafairy]

Somehow hearing that the characters and even more so the story are weak and underdeveloped from people who thought FFVIII and FFX were strong in those aspects (Not necessarily refering to you) leads me to believe that the game must be utterly abysmal in those catagories though. Especially being that seems to be the universally shared opinion by people who are otherwise extremely forgiving and positive when it comes to mediocracy if it has the final fantasy name. Not exactly a good initial impression of what to expect. The gameplay doesn't sound too bad though, so I will pick it up eventually. Just probably not anytime soon and not for more than $15.

Last Remnant on the other hand does look like it could, potentially, be decent. But wait, it's not actually related to Final Fantasy at all though, is it?

[Westlo]

Last Remnant is looking to be the next gen version of FFXII (battle system) just with story and character development.

VIII and X had had lots of poorly done plot and character development, XII hardly has any, take your pick as which is worse.

[Rahxephon91]

I'd say Last Remnant looks like Drakengard.

[Sendo Takeshi]

I still haven't played FFXII yet ($30, even for the Collectors addition, still seems a bit much to me for a game that even the fans say is craptastic)


Yeah, but the fans are usually stupid. Most of the people that ended up hating XII, hated FFT as a whole. FF fans are usually the core group of fans that have it all wrong in terms of what a good FF game is. FFX was booty, and people still loved it for some odd reason. I mean, I remember playing a game for it's gameplay(which FFXII shines a lot more compared to FFX) and not for it's storyline. Storyline is secondary in the wonderful world of gaming.

[Rahxephon91]

Is Tactics really that good? I liked XII a lot but I didn't care for Tactics Advance that much and I don't really like console style strategy games. Like the ones that Nippi Ichi puts out.

[Michael]

If you don't like the NIS grid turn based strategy games, you won't like FFT at all. The NIS games are solid, but throw a lot of craziness in there to make it more fun. FFT is pretty straight forward hard core strategy, and each battle can and will last much, much longer.

[Matsu'o Tsurayaba]

Yep FFXIII looks awesome if you ask me.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Rahxephon91/17567_viploader391388_122_476lo.jpg

Im pretty open minded,so ill keep an eye on this.From what i hear,the fighting engine will be just like XII.So that is great in my say,but dont expect it anytime soon.

[Hajime Saitou]

If you don't like the NIS grid turn based strategy games, you won't like FFT at all. The NIS games are solid, but throw a lot of craziness in there to make it more fun. FFT is pretty straight forward hard core strategy, and each battle can and will last much, much longer.

I don't know about that. I know a lot of people are put off by the craziness of the NIS games. I've seen people like Tactics while disliking Disgaea for just that reason.

You did give a good reason for what there is to like about Tactics though, straightforward hardcore strategy, with long lasting battles. I will add on that it has a nice story that is borderline dark, with some very likable and dislikable characters. And when I say dislikable, you're supposed to hate them, so that's a good thing.

Edit- Better yet, how about you say what you didn't like about FFTA and the NIS games Rahxephon91. Then it will be a simple yes or no answer as to whether those things are in FFT.

[Sendo Takeshi]

Is Tactics really that good? I liked XII a lot but I didn't care for Tactics Advance that much and I don't really like console style strategy games. Like the ones that Nippi Ichi puts out.

If you don't like the NIS grid turn based strategy games, you won't like FFT at all. The NIS games are solid, but throw a lot of craziness in there to make it more fun. FFT is pretty straight forward hard core strategy, and each battle can and will last much, much longer.


@Rah: Just like everyone has said, it's hardcore strategy. Games like these require a crapload of patience due to the strategical element implemented into them. So yeah, you're probably not gonna enjoy this game. They're good, but apparently they're not meant for everyone. The replayability in them is pretty deep too considering all the different types of parties you can make up and all the abilities you can combine.

I have yet to play any of my Nippon Ichi games for some reason.

[seba_boi]

Somehow hearing that the characters and even more so the story are weak and underdeveloped from people who thought FFVIII and FFX were strong in those aspects (Not necessarily refering to you) leads me to believe that the game must be utterly abysmal in those catagories though. Especially being that seems to be the universally shared opinion by people who are otherwise extremely forgiving and positive when it comes to mediocracy if it has the final fantasy name. Not exactly a good initial impression of what to expect. The gameplay doesn't sound too bad though, so I will pick it up eventually. Just probably not anytime soon and not for more than $15.

Speaking for myself, I found XII to be the grandest and and biggest non-MMORPG Final Fantasy to come out... Perhaps for the first time, I actually really cared for characters (even side-characters) in a Final Fantasy...

If I'm not mistaken, it's made by the same group who did Final Fantasy Tactics/Advance/2... It's got the same character designer at least, and I friggin' love Akihiko Yoshida's designs--from Vagrant Story to FFT...




BTW, Disgaea has fantastic gameplay, but the classes are too repetitive and doesn't hold against the job classes and customization in Final Fantasy Tactics/Advance....

[Spike]

Final Fantasy XIII looks cool but whats with that nickname can anyone give me a good reason to not hate the main characters nickname "Lightning"?

[Hajime Saitou]

Final Fantasy XIII looks cool but whats with that nickname can anyone give me a good reason to not hate the main characters nickname "Lightning"?

Because it is just a nickname...

of a fictional character...

in a video game...

[ryushe]

^ You know, that post sorta answered itself.

[Hara!]

That can kinda ruin the experience. I was playing Hoshigami the other day and kept on hearing them call the main character ´Razz´. I just said enough is enough, restarted my save, and named him Gary Lou. I never looked back since.

[Phoenyx]

Well, I hope it will be better than FFXII. Not that it was a bad game, but....

But I partially agree about the voice-acting. Imho FFX had good (sometimes annoying voices) but they fit the characters.
FFXII.....they all sound to me the same and as if they were taken from a bad medieval fairy tale (plus some weird english-like accent). But Fran was dubbed nicely.

[Naster]

I'll be straight up honest with what I'm about to say. when i play a game like final fantasy, I EXPECT a great plot with interesting characters. In all honesty, X, X-2, and XII have not delivered that for me at all. I used to call myself a die hard final fantasy fan, but i can't say that anymore. Sure the game mechanics are great, amazing even. But, to me, the QUALITY is complete and utter crap. I will say that the only reason I completed FFX was because of Auron. Once he said his goodbyes, I never picked the game up again. The only reason I finished FFXII was because I was expecting maybe some good plot to come up somewhere, maybe even character development. Man was I disappointed.

FFXIII and FFversusXII will be my last Final Fantasies if they don't deliver on the plot/character development. Simple as that.

Before people hound me for saying FFX had a ton of character development, let me tell you what I got out of the game:
1. Tidus - Cry baby, he's his dad's little *****.
2. Auron - Bad *** from the past. Came back to make sure the pricks of today don't **** up.
3. Yuna - Insecure to the point that I couldn't stand listening to her voice acting.
4. Wakka - lol @ his name. I kept thinking of sesame street whenever he talked. WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA.
5. Kimari - the faithful, quiet body gaurd... he's the runt of his tribe, but probably had the biggest heart of them all
6. Lulu - Big boobs, no character.
7. Rikku - Another character I couldn't stand listening to. How ironic that they both made their reappearance in FFX-2.

That about sums that game up.

[Hara!]

I'll be straight up honest with what I'm about to say. when i play a game like final fantasy, I EXPECT a great plot with interesting characters. In all honesty, X, X-2, and XII have not delivered that for me at all. I used to call myself a die hard final fantasy fan, but i can't say that anymore. Sure the game mechanics are great, amazing even. But, to me, the QUALITY is complete and utter crap. I will say that the only reason I completed FFX was because of Auron. Once he said his goodbyes, I never picked the game up again. The only reason I finished FFXII was because I was expecting maybe some good plot to come up somewhere, maybe even character development. Man was I disappointed.

FFXIII and FFversusXII will be my last Final Fantasies if they don't deliver on the plot/character development. Simple as that.

Before people hound me for saying FFX had a ton of character development, let me tell you what I got out of the game:
1. Tidus - Cry baby, he's his dad's little *****.
2. Auron - Bad *** from the past. Came back to make sure the pricks of today don't **** up.
3. Yuna - Insecure to the point that I couldn't stand listening to her voice acting.
4. Wakka - lol @ his name. I kept thinking of sesame street whenever he talked. WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA.
5. Kimari - the faithful, quiet body gaurd... he's the runt of his tribe, but probably had the biggest heart of them all
6. Lulu - Big boobs, no character.
7. Rikku - Another character I couldn't stand listening to. How ironic that they both made their reappearance in FFX-2.

That about sums that game up.

That about sums up every Final Fantasy game. Girly main character, Badass secondary character, shy female love interest. Some emo crap about darkness and Global Warming, and slash fanfiction.

[seba_boi]

Well the only main Final Fantasy hero worth mentioning is Zidane... No Cloud, Squall, nor Tides (erm, Tidus) can touch this guy's personality... Plus, he's never whiny, never brooding, never emo... Not that I hate Cloud, Squall, or Tidus, I love them all--I'm a big fan of Tetsuya Nomura's designs... But that's the main thing they only have going for them: their designs...

[weavingArachne]

Lolz



I gotta say though ever since FFIX, the FF series onward just don't seem to have any "core" or "substance" to it anymore. They were just passing stories to me. Nothing memorable.




I would have to agree on that. Even though I enjoyed playing all the FF games I only thought that FF VI and FFVII had a powerful "substance" to it. Not to say the others didn't have meaning (I quite enjoyed them)

For the sake of bringing back the name debate. Better his name be Cloud than Gary. Better Squall than some goofy made up name like Renmyor or Conshotigumi (sincere appologies for people whos names are Renmyor or Conshotigumi). (I know I am exaggerating quite a bit but I hope you get my drift) Plus, I've been noticing a pattern of names that have to do with nature(Cloud, Terra, Aeris, Garnet, Luneth, Tidus...the list goes on)

As for if the whole is the Fabula Nova Crystallis or whatever it's called is good or not. I am curious to see if it's a series worth playing or just a demonstration of the PS3's graphic capabilities.

There's my two cents.

P.S. I think Lightning looks more like a girl version of Cloud than Yuna

[JFaulkner]

And what about Zidane's name? Did Square want to sell more games in Europe, so decided to name him after a famous French soccer player?

[Animematt55]

Well the only main Final Fantasy hero worth mentioning is Zidane... No Cloud, Squall, nor Tides (erm, Tidus) can touch this guy's personality... Plus, he's never whiny, never brooding, never emo... Not that I hate Cloud, Squall, or Tidus, I love them all--I'm a big fan of Tetsuya Nomura's designs... But that's the main thing they only have going for them: their designs...

QFT
Final Fantasy 9 gets no love, when it deserves it all.
Even Garnet was a good character for being so annoying. It also had the best villian, Kuja, Who could kick Sephiroths butt with his hands behind his back

[germanturkey]

speaking of Kuja.. the first time i saw that cg pic of him walking away, i thought he was a hot girl... i fail again

just look at that profile.. geez can you blame me?
http://www.ffodyssey.com/wallpapers/ff9/ff9_kuja_1024x768.jpg

[Redd]

Lol I know what you mean. When I first played 9 my friend was watching and said that girl is so hot. I was like 'wtf you do know thats a guy right' he laughed and said if he was gay he would so do him. He also thought the boy that looks like a girl you meet in the fields randomly that travels with that girl in Final Fantasy Crystal was a chick too. But on topic I just hope we get a decent story this time and not be like 12 that had a great buildup ends pretty badly imo.

[Westlo]

It's cool GT I also thought Kuja was a (hot) girl.

IT'S A TRAP!

[Ketaru]

Well the only main Final Fantasy hero worth mentioning is Zidane... No Cloud, Squall, nor Tides (erm, Tidus) can touch this guy's personality... Plus, he's never whiny, never brooding, never emo... Not that I hate Cloud, Squall, or Tidus, I love them all--I'm a big fan of Tetsuya Nomura's designs... But that's the main thing they only have going for them: their designs...

I agree. The best thing about IX is how well the main characters work. Zidane is obviously the main character, but it's never to the point that he overshadows the other main characters of the game (and, in fact, acts as a bit of a foil for each of them). And despite the more brighter outlook on life, he never comes across as cloying or saccharine (in contrast, for as much as I like the Kingdom Hearts series, Sora does sometimes, as Donald Duck puts it, "lay it on a bit thick".)

I don't see why people defend Squall as having a tragic past of sorts. He's broody and stonewalls because he was separated from a close friend in childhood? At his age now, most of us would tell him to grow up and take a hike, if he were a real person.

[Westlo]

I don't see why people defend Squall as having a tragic past of sorts. He's broody and stonewalls because he was separated from a close friend in childhood? At his age now, most of us would tell him to grow up and take a hike, if he were a real person.

Squall's reply to that

......

[gameoffreak8]

speaking of Kuja.. the first time i saw that cg pic of him walking away, i thought he was a hot girl... i fail again

just look at that profile.. geez can you blame me?
http://www.ffodyssey.com/wallpapers/ff9/ff9_kuja_1024x768.jpg

I thought Kuja was a hot girl as well. -_-;

[lav2k4]

Squall's reply to that

......


nah its more like Squall's random outburst.

Squall: No Zell, I will not let you see my Gunblade for 1000th time!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Hajime Saitou]

Count me in for the Kuja gave me wood bandwagon. :thumbsup:

[seba_boi]

Final Fantasy 9 gets no love, when it deserves it all.
Even Garnet was a good character for being so annoying.Garnet, annoying?... Really?...

I thought Eiko was more annoying than Garnet... But her sassiness subsides as the game goes on so she didn't turn out that bad...
I agree. The best thing about IX is how well the main characters work. Zidane is obviously the main character, but it's never to the point that he overshadows the other main characters of the game (and, in fact, acts as a bit of a foil for each of them). And despite the more brighter outlook on life, he never comes across as cloying or saccharine (in contrast, for as much as I like the Kingdom Hearts series, Sora does sometimes, as Donald Duck puts it, "lay it on a bit thick".)

Zidane was a breath of fresh air... And you're right, he didn't come of mushy nor saccharine (good choice of word)... Cloud was douche-y, Squall was angsty, and Tidus despite being a brighter (not IQ-wise) character harbored hatred towards his father... I wouldn't be surprised if these three were the main contributors to the rise of emo.... ;) But in all fairness, it creates a nice contrast to their more light-hearted mates: bubbly Tifa, innocent Aeris, sweet Rinoa, and hopeful Yuna and through them we slowly see how they change... Still doesn't change the fact that they all started as somewhat of a jerk...

[kenshinbebop]

...Looks cool to me...

[Lucere]

I'll be straight up honest with what I'm about to say. when i play a game like final fantasy, I EXPECT a great plot with interesting characters. In all honesty, X, X-2, and XII have not delivered that for me at all. I used to call myself a die hard final fantasy fan, but i can't say that anymore. Sure the game mechanics are great, amazing even. But, to me, the QUALITY is complete and utter crap. I will say that the only reason I completed FFX was because of Auron. Once he said his goodbyes, I never picked the game up again. The only reason I finished FFXII was because I was expecting maybe some good plot to come up somewhere, maybe even character development. Man was I disappointed.

FFXIII and FFversusXII will be my last Final Fantasies if they don't deliver on the plot/character development. Simple as that.

Before people hound me for saying FFX had a ton of character development, let me tell you what I got out of the game:
1. Tidus - Cry baby, he's his dad's little *****.
2. Auron - Bad *** from the past. Came back to make sure the pricks of today don't **** up.
3. Yuna - Insecure to the point that I couldn't stand listening to her voice acting.
4. Wakka - lol @ his name. I kept thinking of sesame street whenever he talked. WAKKA WAKKA WAKKA.
5. Kimari - the faithful, quiet body gaurd... he's the runt of his tribe, but probably had the biggest heart of them all
6. Lulu - Big boobs, no character.
7. Rikku - Another character I couldn't stand listening to. How ironic that they both made their reappearance in FFX-2.

That about sums that game up.

lol. last i checked, the game mechanics pretty much are the game itself. I mean, seriously, how can you say the game mechanics are great but the quality is crap in the same sentence? You just contradicted yourself.

About XII, I don't know how much more interesting you can get. Two powerful empires at war with each other, a princess seeking to claim her rightful throne, a soldier looking for redemption after his name has been unrightfully soaked in the blood of the king he took an oath to protect, a pair of sky pirates who come to realize the world is much more than a bar of gold, and a little kid and his friend who are of course caught up in events that gradually cause them to understand what it means to be free. That's not to mention the other side characters who have equally important roles and serve to move the plot forward due to their high status in the game world.

Now, considering you went ahead and dissed all of that, I'm lead to one, if not many, of multiple conclusions:

1. You didn't understand what was going on, thereby reducing the story to utter crap, but the game mechanics are great!

2. The fact that there was a s***load of character developement in the game means to you that there was none, or, you just didn't like it.

3. The fact that you played the game all the way through expecting some plot so surface somewhere confuses the hell out of me, since there's only one plot. Yep, such a horrible game that you played the whole thing, huh? Those darn gameplay mechanics held ya didn't they?

Having said all that, i've come up with the perfect final fantasy game. Based on what you wrote about the others, this one seems like it will fit your high standards.

There's a boy. He likes pirates.
He's also a blob of gray matter.
One day he meets a real pirate.
They sit and discuss politics.
Out of nowhere, about five other people join them.
They go out and gain levels by killing politicians.
The boy gets bored and goes home,
but not before learning absolutely nothing.

God I can't wait for the sequel!

[MightyDustLoop]

XII had one of the coolest prologues of all time, and I pumped a ton of hours into that bad boy. Most for an RPG in a long, long time. Doesn't change the fact there was a fairly underwhelming emphasis on the storytelling. Not that there's anything wrong with that as it made the game itself also feel more open, but I do hope they mix more traditional variations of the storytelling into the series. I can see how it doesn't fly with some people.

[Nash]

I still haven't played FFXII.

Engine looks mehish.

[earsofdoom]

About XII, I don't know how much more interesting you can get. Two powerful empires at war with each other, a princess seeking to claim her rightful throne, a soldier looking for redemption after his name has been unrightfully soaked in the blood of the king he took an oath to protect, a pair of sky pirates who come to realize the world is much more than a bar of gold, and a little kid and his friend who are of course caught up in events that gradually cause them to understand what it means to be free. That's not to mention the other side characters who have equally important roles and serve to move the plot forward due to their high status in the game world.


All of these were incredibly poorly developed, not to mention that's pretty much ALL you can say about the characters.

[Rahxephon91]

XII's plot was extremly diffrent then any other FF games and it still was really good. The story really did'nt have a dull moument if you ask me. It was filled with intersting twists that kept me hooked. Now the characters were a little underdeveloped so the game could have used some more stuff there and it just could have used more filling on the whole.

Still XII is a really good game. Best game of 06.

[Redd]

I don't know, I just hope FFXIII is nothing like XII besides the battle system. I still haven't beaten it yet. To me FFXII seemed like an unfinished game.

The only parts I liked were the hunts and the battle system. The story was boring.....started off great though with that Star Wars vibe.

[Nash]

Best game of 06.

hahahahahahahaha

Yer funny.

[Rahxephon91]

hahahahahahahaha

Yer funny.

Well I can't think of anything that came out in 06 that was better.

And is that avatar from Code Geass?

If so, then its no wonder you don't like good things.

[Sendo Takeshi]

hahahahahahahaha

Yer funny.


It actually was. Name any other game in '06 that was actually good. Right. Because there weren't any. Considering that this was the PS2's final legit year for any major releases, FFXII was that one major release. And the game actually delivered very well in the gameplay department. Not so much in the story, but the who the hell plays games for story?

[Jae Hoon]

It actually was. Name any other game in '06 that was actually good. Right. Because there weren't any. Considering that this was the PS2's final legit year for any major releases, FFXII was that one major release. And the game actually delivered very well in the gameplay department. Not so much in the story, but the who the hell plays games for story?

12 delivered in the gameplay department? What kind of alternate world is this where that god awful engine was good.

FF 12 is by far and away the worst FF game ever, yes even worse then X-2.

[Rahxephon91]

12 delivered in the gameplay department? What kind of alternate world is this where that god awful engine was good.

FF 12 is by far and away the worst FF game ever, yes even worse then X-2.

So you must hate all other FFs because 12's battle system is basicly just those battle system but with all the annoying parts removed. The random battles, the transistions, the slow feel, the tedium of having to imput the same commans over and over again, and just annoying parts of most rpgs.

No XII allows you to easily set up your characters to do all the tedious stuff. You just have to watch over so that nothing goes wrong.

XII is the natural evolution of FF and thank god.

[earsofdoom]

12 delivered in the gameplay department? What kind of alternate world is this where that god awful engine was good.

FF 12 is by far and away the worst FF game ever, yes even worse then X-2.

completely agree, i was bored to tears becouse the game pretty much plays itself

[Nash]

Suikoden 5

Tales of the Abyss

off the top of my head.

Leagues ahead of anything FFXII has to offer.

Thanks come again.

edit: and the avatar is from a SuikoGaiden game.

Hence the user name, Nash.

[Rahxephon91]

Suikoden 5Suikoden 5 was one of the most boring and poorly made RPGs I've ever played. Way to do nothing new or intersting with the genre Konami!

Tales of the AbyssA good choice as this game is very good but the game goes on way to long and gets bong down by that and how repetitive it is.

[Nash]

and yet, they are leagues ahead of FFXII.

Repetitiveness? Welcome to any video game ever made.

[Rahxephon91]

and yet, they are leagues ahead of FFXII.Sadly none of them are

Repetitiveness? Welcome to any video game ever made
Video games are repetitive but good pacing and design hide this. XII had both. Abyss not so much.

[MightyDustLoop]

Man, you guys are arguing some pretty futile points. All three of those games had some major positives and negatives. Suikoden V was developed poorly. The towns took a long while to traverse through, the load times were unacceptably bad for a game that came out when it did, and the character balance was even more skewed than usual. Abyss? Needlessly long. They kept the plot going with what was essentially made up physics. You had to travel to and from towns a countless number of times. Enough so that it really killed the whole "we must act quickly" nature of the story. Seriosly, when you've visited a town as part of the story over 20 times you start to wonder how many lifetimes these people are living and how many decades these events are occuring over.

And FFXII, well, I liked it. But the story waned a bit after the super cool opening, and the plot device they used for the murderer was one I had thought died out long, long ago. Not to mention I can see how someone could see the entire game as too akin to an MMO style for a standalone game. Level grinding included. I liked it enough though. Spent 100+ hours on it.

[Tidusauron12]

*Plays Shadow Hearts II under the table in a dark room, and with a small, mellow monitor.*

[Azure_Flame_God]

*Plays Shadow Hearts II under the table in a dark room, and with a small, mellow monitor.*



Haha yes, I WISH they would have kept Shadow hearts going, because the last one sucked HARD.

Shadow hearts 1 and 2 are the best rpgs i've played up to date since nothing but crap has been coming out lol

[gameoffreak8]

Well, I really liked Final Fantasy XII so far. It have a nice battle system and I loved it. The license board is very annoying, but I don't mind. The gambit system allows you put the magic, items, and etc that the characters use it without you push the buttons and you just watch it.

Haha yes, I WISH they would have kept Shadow hearts going, because the last one sucked HARD.

Shadow hearts 1 and 2 are the best rpgs i've played up to date since nothing but crap has been coming out lol

I enjoyed playing Shadow Hearts and Shadow Hearts: Covenant, it's good. These games are my favorite. I suppose these games are popular because GameStop sell the first game ($29) and the second game ($24), both are used, BTW. I heard from my friend that he don't like the third game.

[Tidusauron12]

Haha yes, I WISH they would have kept Shadow hearts going, because the last one sucked HARD.

Shadow hearts 1 and 2 are the best rpgs i've played up to date since nothing but crap has been coming out lol

Yes, III is an embarassment compared to the first two games... which I also call the best RPG games ever created. Shadow Hearts II made me cry. :crybaby: But it was equally AWESOME.




I enjoyed playing Shadow Hearts and Shadow Hearts: Covenant, it's good. These games are my favorite. I suppose these games are popular because GameStop sell the first game ($29) and the second game ($24), both are used, BTW. I heard from my friend that he don't like the third game.

I seriously put down FFXII to play Shadow Hearts II, and that's no lie. I love that game so much... it's hard to put it into words.

I doubt XIII will top SHII, but heh... perhaps.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Prons in FFXI is a lot hotter than the FFXIII main characters :)

[CamilleLives]

your an idiot.

XD.

limit

[Rahxephon91]

XD.

limit

How are you back here?

[Tidusauron12]

Can't wait until XIII comes out. It's looking good.