Some links, some thoughts

[Tom Servo]

Some links,

http://www.skybooksusa.com/time-travel/experime/wingover.htm

http://harmonhouse.net/fdl/aaiv.htm

Some thoughts,

this is related all the way back to my first post on here where I talked about the 'Fall from paradise' being a actual biochemical change in the body - and it's relation to leary's Circuits and the ba/ka connection... if it isn't still here then it'll be on evamonkey or the wingmakers forum still.

- the ancient Sumerian references to the wingmakers writing/glyph styles - this has to be connected to the information given in The Earth Chronicles.
In those books it is related that the Annunaki or Nephilim or Elohim, from Nibiru (sometimes called Marduk), came here and were involved in making the Adam-Kadmon for use as a slave worker - tasks related include gardening and gold and mineral mining. Existing humanoid types were genetically engineered to be workers. Due to various concerns, the Flood (yep the one in the Bible) was made to happen to wipe out all the genetically engineered Adams. Some Annunaki/Nephilim Elohim saved some of the adams and kept them going. Noahs Ark is about one such salvage operation.
It's possible this was allowed to go ahead by the 'ancient ones' (Sirians) that made the beings here that the adams were made out of, because a Flood would only set them back so many years, as the beings are all made out of water-based DNA anyway. It being wholly wrong to make slaves. The reason our societies are so ****ed-up is because what made those other guys so wrong so as to be needing to make slaves, is still part of the DNA coding here and still followed as a way of behaviour by many humans here. They mixed their DNA up with the ones here to make the slaves with.

They had already lost their natural LERM - that is why they needed slaves. This is all a second-generation effect of that. Beings that had the LERM and the merkavah/hall of heaven/kab sciences already were altered so as to be no longer able to be self-sufficient, just so they can do work for the ones that made the slaves.

- the Anasazi references. doesn't 'anasazi' mean 'ancient aliens'. Last known area inhabited being Chaco Canyon. The available info. on crystal skulls says that the beings that made the skulls, in some way merged with humans so as to preserve their consciousness. Initially it was related that this merger caused biological problems - there was mention of the elongated skulls found in many cultures, and the reasons for trepannation of the skull, all originating because of the first way in which the two combined.
The technology or process used to make the Skulls is still 'unknown' and not achievable by any known means currently available.

So, even with all that - why do we exist? Why do the ones that may have made us exist? Are they only created to go around passing on problems they haven't solved within their own level of being? so that we can then in turn abuse this planet and the animals on it and do everything the wrong way, and let insane people outwardly at least run things, to go along with the nonsensical systems put in place by - well, guess.

The solution to being able to perceive clearly and see correctly is to realise that you are not more important that the beings you dump on - the insects that you walk over and drive over, the flowers and grass you trample underfoot, all are at least as important as you and your level of reality. They are in fact more important than you - and me - because if they were to not exist then we'd die off very quickly, whereas - if we died off they would still be ok, and could regenerate other multicellular evolutionary pathways. At the same time that you know this, you should also know that far apart from meaning that you are meaningless - no, its the opposite. The whole thing is imbued with nothing but meaning, and it is the worst thing to harm or alter any part of it. We came here perfect, as ubermenschs, and did not need to displace even an atom here out of synch with the actual tao-pattern flow. Total harmony, perfection, and most important - joy. Now its impossible to take a breath without it being out of place, such is the decay of all daily life away from what we are actually supposed to be doing here.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...uh, quick question... "WHAT?"

[CrossboneGundam]

zuzuwang's jumping his ban again?

[Rain]

...came here and were involved in making the Adam-Kadmon for use as a slave worker - tasks related include gardening and gold and mineral mining.

The "Primordial Man" was a slave worker? Adam Kadmon was the first primal, perfect man - a man created in God's image. Since when was Adam Kadmon a slave worker?

So, even with all that - why do we exist? Why do the ones that may have made us exist? Are they only created to go around passing on problems they haven't solved within their own level of being? so that we can then in turn abuse this planet and the animals on it and do everything the wrong way, and let insane people outwardly at least run things, to go along with the nonsensical systems put in place by - well, guess.

"Cogito, ergo sum."

"You may refer to us as WingMakers. We are most often confused with angels, though we are actually quite human--just a future, perhaps more advanced, version. Humans, conditioned as they are, seem unable or unwilling to comprehend the vast diversity of living beings amongst the cosmological planes of existence, and so, somewhat as a defense mechanism, lump together what are distinctly unique beings. The angelic kingdom is a different species of life when compared to the human or the WingMakers' format of existence. WingMakers exist outside of time's focus, while their human, extraterrestrial, and angelic counterparts exist within, and, to various degrees, are bound by the principles of time. Our uniqueness stems from our ability to operate independently of time while remaining human with all the physical and mental characteristics therein."

:lol:

WingMakers and their existence appear to be woven into virtually all cultures and civilizations upon earth, and appear to be commonly represented through mythological and religious stories.

Isn't mythology—mythological archetypes, legends, etc.—supposed to be a reflection or depiction of one's inner self? (See: Joseph Campbell et al.)

They came as the human genotype, and brought with them a library of genetic codes that, through experimentation, produced the human species, and of course, most other forms of life on earth.

Human genotype? :lol:

How did these WingMakers 'transcend' time and space as a human genotype if they weren't even human in the first place? So, basically, these so-called WingMakers miraculously produced the human species out of nowhere? Additionally, these other life forms genetically morphed and/or mutated from the one human genotype to transform into various different genotypes with substantially different phenotypes? What catalyzed this genetic transformation?

Oh, c'mon, even scientologists can do better than that.

They predict (and I use this word with chilling precision) that by the time their final time capsule is discovered in 2023, the Internet will be the focal point of the new global culture and it will become the gateway to a connected "intra-galactic, digital nervous system".

The internet is a galaxy in its own right. :lol:

They refer to this global culture as the Sovereign Integral, which is difficult to translate into English.

Although "sovereign" may be a tad bit ambiguous, "integral" is a fairly straightforward word.

However, Drs. Stevens and Whitehall believe it means that the global culture of earth will be both developed and distributed through the Internet, and that this global connectivity will enable earth to be integrated with other planets in our galaxy through an extension of this network.

Yay! Now all the planets in the solar system are able to be assimilated via the internet.

Their language incorporates visual art, music, poetry, and various hieroglyphs and symbols that collectively communicate their thoughts and ideas.

Can anyone say cavemen?

Anyway, I can't continue reading anymore, but I've come to the conclusion that WingMakers—also known as Time Travelers—are a figment of your imagination, and they exist solely in the recesses of your erratic mind.

P.S. Zugzwang?!

[GreatNekoKoneko]

... reasoning with a mad man is like putting wheels on a tomato: time-consuming and completely pointless.

[Old Ape Face]

... reasoning with a mad man is like putting wheels on a tomato: time-consuming and completely pointless.

Unless your Willy Wonka, or the Fairy Godmother. or some loony bin.

[goddessofanime]

Unless your Willy Wonka, or the Fairy Godmother. or some loony bin.

or SKaze............

[Bernard_Monsha]

The solution to being able to perceive clearly and see correctly is to realise that you are not more important that the beings you dump on

I don't consider a toilet a being.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

I don't consider a toilet a being.

...BA DUM BISH!

(moves drumkit away)

[KatayokuのTenshi]

The "Primordial Man" was a slave worker? Adam Kadmon was the first primal, perfect man - a man created in God's image. Since when was Adam Kadmon a slave worker?

Why would Adam need a surname? In case God got him confused with all the other Adams?

[Tenou]

Why would Adam need a surname? In case God got him confused with all the other Adams?

Of course, don't you know that they went through 5 Adams.

[Rain]

Why would Adam need a surname? In case God got him confused with all the other Adams?

I'm not sure, but if I'd have to take a guess, I'd say that Adam Kadmon represents the untainted, sinless man before The Fall of Man, while Adam, without the surname, represents the tainted, sinful man after The Fall. With that said, however, I really have no idea, so don't take my word on it.

[Ikari Warrior]

Of course, don't you know that they went through 5 Adams.

:lol: dogma

Yo, Bernie, is this clown's IP address consistant with Zuggy's? I mean, I know this is all fun to make fun of, and such, but really, curiosity demands...

[Old Ape Face]

or SKaze............

Hey that's my job *points at Signature* :O

[Midoriko87]

The "Primordial Man" was a slave worker? Adam Kadmon was the first primal, perfect man - a man created in God's image. Since when was Adam Kadmon a slave worker?

I think what he meant to say is that the Annunaki (?) came here and genetically modified the Adam, whom already lived here. We're the descendants of those altered humans. 'Course, he didn't say that... I just thought his Grammar was kinda on the Nutty Side. But, wait a minute, if Adam was already here... *Midorko, STOP* Yes, that was close... -_-;

Human genotype?

How did these WingMakers 'transcend' time and space as a human genotype if they weren't even human in the first place? So, basically, these so-called WingMakers miraculously produced the human species out of nowhere? Additionally, these other life forms genetically morphed and/or mutated from the one human genotype to transform into various different genotypes with substantially different phenotypes? What catalyzed this genetic transformation?

Oh, c'mon, even scientologists can do better than that.

You're doing this on purpose. The WingMakers are indeed human..err, human-esque. However, they're further up the evolutionary whatchamacallit. And, they brought a whole suitcase of genetic stuff. Humans came from the WingMakers. Other animals came out of the suitcase. Stop trying to intimidate us with your large words, Mel. :angry:

The solution to being able to perceive clearly and see correctly is to realise that you are not more important that the beings you dump onI don't consider a toilet a being.

Oh! For the Love of the WingMakers!! Aim for the Center, Monsha, the CENTER!! :P

The solution to being able to perceive clearly and see correctly is to realise that you are not more important that the beings you dump on - the insects that you walk over and drive over, the flowers and grass you trample underfoot, all are at least as important as you and your level of reality.

Cockroaches, too? :(

Anywho, I think I understand where ya comin' from in THIS paragraph, hippie. Don't read into it too much, though. ;)

[Rain]

I think what he meant to say is that the Annunaki (?) came here and genetically modified the Adam, whom already lived here. We're the descendants of those altered humans. 'Course, he didn't say that... I just thought his Grammar was kinda on the Nutty Side. But, wait a minute, if Adam was already here... *Midorko, STOP* Yes, that was close... -_-;
Genetically modified? Where'd you get that?

You're doing this on purpose. The WingMakers are indeed human..err, human-esque. However, they're further up the evolutionary whatchamacallit. And, they brought a whole suitcase of genetic stuff. Humans came from the WingMakers. Other animals came out of the suitcase. Stop trying to intimidate us with your large words, Mel. :angry:
Yeah, but the genotype is composed of genetic code, DNA, which codes for the phenotype of an individual.

Oh! For the Love of the WingMakers!! Aim for the Center, Monsha, the CENTER!! :P
:lol:

Cockroaches, too? :(
Tom Servo needs to read The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka!

[Shiroiyuki]

It being wholly wrong to make slaves. The reason our societies are so ****ed-up is because what made those other guys so wrong so as to be needing to make slaves, is still part of the DNA coding here and still followed as a way of behaviour by many humans here. They mixed their DNA up with the ones here to make the slaves with.

Wow, this explains so much to me. Now I know why I've always had this deep desire to find easily manipulated muscular men to make my minions! Ten or so shirtless, buff minions to do my bidding--all the while wearing tighty-whities and flexing their oiled up muscles--fawning at my feet, calling me 'mistress', fetching me drinks. *sigh* The good life. It suddenly all makes sense to me!

:O


The technology or process used to make the Skulls is still 'unknown' and not achievable by any known means currently available.

Here, I have an idea! I'll grab one end while you brace yourself, and together we can stretch out that head of yours! Shouldn’t be too difficult, too bad you didn’t come with an instructional manual. Oh, wait, we probably should start while the head in question is still young and pliable. Hmm...

Okay, new plan. You find a baby (or make one, whatever), we both take different ends and pull as hard as we can in opposite directions. That might do it, right? After all, baby's heads can stretch/squish down quite a bit during birth (because if they weren't flexible....OUCH, there goes procreation), so maybe if we stretch that baby's head out everyday, arrange some sort of...binding unit to hold it in place...eventually we'll train that baby's head to elongate. Just like those African tribes with the 'giraffe women' and their elongated necks. It's all about dedication.


So, even with all that - why do we exist?

Personally, I think the 'reality' that we perceive is nothing but an online RPG game 'higher level' beings enjoy playing ever so often. Maybe on Playstation 9004 or some such game consol. We are just made up characters, nothing but simulated AI (some more intelligent than others, naturally), and when we sleep--our 'real life' counterparts have logged out for the evening. We never disappear within the game because that would ruin the Simulated Realism the game (I'm guessing SimCity 70,024) strives to create. Our real life counterparts all have green skin, yellow eyes, and answer to the words 'BIWHA, WJkdi ock ock dmwoEESJN?'. We just aren't aware of it yet.


the insects that you walk over and drive over, the flowers and grass you trample underfoot, all are at least as important as you and your level of reality. They are in fact more important than you - and me - because if they were to not exist then we'd die off very quickly, whereas - if we died off they would still be ok, and could regenerate other multicellular evolutionary pathways.

So, what you are saying is...we should all stop breathing, eating, moving, and/or living to allow more important beings the chance at life? Okay, I'm down with that. Hey, I have a great idea! Ready? Why don't you start us out on this new enlightened path...we'll join you in a minute, no worries. You can be the first to delve down this path of....glory....

Just close your eyes and relax, stop breathing, you know. We'll follow suit in a bit, no worries. [/End of sarcasm]

[Midoriko87]

Genetically modified? Where'd you get that?

In those books it is related that the Annunaki or Nephilim or Elohim, from Nibiru (sometimes called Marduk), came here and were involved in making the Adam-Kadmon for use as a slave worker - tasks related include gardening and gold and mineral mining. Existing humanoid types were genetically engineered to be workers.

I've noticed that the way in which Tom Servo arranges his sentences is a bit off. I understand where you're coming from with the "involved in making the Adam-Kadmon for use a slave worker..." I didn't think he meant to say that, though... just from another one of his posts. But, that's just me. Judgin' people's Grammar and forming opinions and whatnot...

Yeah, but the genotype is composed of genetic code, DNA, which codes for the phenotype of an individual.

Yes, Mel, I know. I've failed my share of Biology classes. However, I wanna make sure you understand that cockroaches came out of that suitcase and not from WingMakers themselves.

Tom Servo needs to read The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka!

WTF?!! I thought you said you hated reading. I don't even know who you are anymore!! :crybaby:

[Haro!]

The whole insects being equally important to humans in terms of reality just reminded me of a story I heard on NPR about a fire ant infestation in a Buddhist temple in Indonesia (?). I wonder, how will they get rid of them?

yes completely off topic and random but I couldn't help how it reminded me of it.

[Chousho]

So does eating genetically altered meat make us less human?