Don Immus

[kenshinbebop]

Hmm...I debated whether or not to start a thread on this, but I really want to know peoples opinions.

For those of you who know hat I'm talking about, pelase tell em your thoughts, those woh don't, look it up. :P

I'll post my thoughts after the first few posts.

PLEASE TRY AND KEEP THIS CIVIL. I foresaw debate and falamge which I why I was debating whether or not to even start it. But I'm hoping we can manage.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...and let the DEBATE FLAMMAGE AND TROLLAGE BEGIN!

MORTAL KOMBAT!!!

[Evil_Koala]

I hate hoes. Specially nappy-headed ones.

[Warabit]

Want to know my opinion? People need to quit being so soft-bellyed and deal with it. Stop crying about everything that might hurt someones feelings.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

Want to know my opinion? People need to quit being so soft-bellyed and deal with it. Stop crying about everything that might hurt someones feelings.

...that's what the Nazi's said to Poland.

[master terrence]

you should have seen Rev. Jesse Jackson getting all worked up.

Imus has made a million comments and this is the one that gets on TV, so this is the one all the stars who might need money for their organization or future political campaign are going to come out on. :rolleyes:

I'm not so enraged by the comment, but neither am I convinced by his apology. Some people are just racist.

[Evil_Koala]

...that's what the Nazi's said to Poland.

Polynd FTW they rape Germany in everything nowadays.


Who's racist? :O Not me.

[master terrence]

I wonder what would have happened if Imus called them that after a game.

[Old Ape Face]

Polynd FTW they rape Germany in everything nowadays.


Who's racist? :O Not me.

Woot Poland FTW!!!!

[Tenou]

This was on the evening news... I'm not too sure what there is to debate. It was an uncalled for racist, sexist, ignorant remark for which he is apologizing. You want a yea or nay on whether or not he should have said it? His need to apologize for it means it shouldn't have been said.

[master terrence]

That's true, it's a bit odd to have debates on it. All of them have been one-sided and off-topic. People are starting to target the hip-hop community now too. I"m not sure if that is a good thing, or if it is in vain.


I think they should replace Imus with a black woman. :w00t: (it would add some balance to their staff too!!)

[Dark_Shiki]

Well, the one thing I hate the most is bigotry, but while others use it regularly, and aren't called out on it, how can this one be fired, and not the many others who do and say the same things and get paid?

Companies who employ offensive people are also at fault here. There are likely others who've given the same type of rhetoric. Don't jump on me for this, but some rap and even the shockjocks from rap stations could likely be saying the same without being called on it. It works by the political correctness of 'I can say this, but you can't'.

I personally have no need to engage in stupid behavior that any otherwise sane person knows will get their *** kicked. If one guy is fired, then all the rest that say the same probably should be too. I hear he's done more than just this, he's insulted many plethora of people over the years whether it be race or sexual orientation.

The right to free speech is a good one, but it can't be controlled easily when people insist on making idiots of themselves with said right. I don't think it'd be wrong for him to be fired, but the logic would tell me all others using this kind of rhetoric shouldn't get away with it either.

I have to say there are some words that I will never allow myself to use, but if others with the jurisdiction use it(I'm referring to the n word here) I have no reason to stop them. Though, it is generally an ugly word with a bad history and no one should really use it.

Being stupid and ignorant unfortunately has no legal punishment without it fitting the legal boundries of a hatecrime, and if it does, it's probably not enough. The right to free speech is good, until idiots who think they have something good to say, like the KKK and the God hates gay people crowd get involved.

[Old Ape Face]

I think the Hip Hop community is getting much more attention then in later years. I dono, I could be wrong considering I've been oblivious to life before 2005 came along. recently I've been hearing a lot of rap and Hip Hop stuff on the radios.

People fear change in society, Me, personally I welcome it with open arms. I love change, I want to see a female president in the next century not simply becuase I'm a womanizer or for any political gain, but for variety, to show that the United State is run by both men and woman. Hell I'd be glad to see an African American man or woman to run for president in the leading years.

Screw physical appearances, the average white community needs to step back and let the other races come in. After all this is a unified country, the largest melting pot in the last 200+ years still hasn't accepted non white males as representatives for the Oval Office.

[Tenou]

Well, the one thing I hate the most is bigotry, but while others use it regularly, and aren't called out on it, how can this one be fired, and not the many others who do and say the same things and get paid?

Companies who employ offensive people are also at fault here. There are likely others who've given the same type of rhetoric. Don't jump on me for this, but some rap and even the shockjocks from rap stations could likely be saying the same without being called on it. It works by the political correctness of 'I can say this, but you can't'.

It's not really a double standard when it comes to who is fired and who is not.
You've got 2 DJ working for 2 stations and they both said the same thing.
DJ from station 1 gets fired because the higher ups don't want the hastle of the public backlash.
DJ from station 2 doesn't get fired because they figure they can use the public outrage to gain ratings.

Freedom of speech, that's a Yank thing, so I won't comment on it too much other than to say that if you work for a company and say something you shouldn't, they have every right to protect themselves and fire what ever idiot is making a fool out of them

[master terrence]

speaking of which... do you think Kramer and Imus hang out on weekends?

[Evil_Koala]

speaking of which... do you think Kramer and Imus hang out on weekends?

Kramer's not a racist. That's what so insane about this.

[LOSTyears]

I'm surprised someone made a thread on this.
Anyway this is not the most offensive thing this guy has said, this type of ignorance is common place in his profession.
The Richards, Washingtons and Hardaway's(now the Imus's) of the world really need to stop apologizing after the fact, its the BS apologies that really urk me the most. If your going to be hateful or dislike something do it all the way.
You could argue that its more acceptable for brutha's to make fun of whitey, of course but he'd probably lose his job. Should Imus lose his job, sure, but he won't. As long as these double standards are ackwnoledged ignorance like this will continue to breed. Theres really no stopping it.

Personally I don't think its a big deal cause it takes alot to offend me so its just natural for me to ignore @ssholes(which is a good practice).

[master terrence]

That's what so insane about this.

That is what's

That's what is

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my eyes are bleeding :(

[kenshinbebop]

Personally, I felt there was no injustice served. I mean true, he called them that, but let's take a look at the thousands of hip hop records that these big companies put out everyday. These companies, CBS and NBC, that are in kahootz with the music industry, god forbid they take a look at the lyrics on these albums, because they sell. However, this man makes one comment, these companies lose these smaller companies that pay for advertising spots because they don't want to be associated with this company anymore, nad so they come down hard on him, because they're losing money.

That's what this country has come to, the doller. These greedy bastards will do anything for the cash. It makes me sick.

Besides, I believe there is this document that exists. I don't think anyone knows about it anymore, but it's called the CONSTITUTION. Guess what? This document grants people free speech. What does that mean? That means you cna say anything you god damn please. Without Al Sharpton on your case. I'm in no way a biggot, and in no way a racist. Al Sharpton was always a good person in my eyes. But he's jsut being an ignorant fool with this case. He brings up the fact that "this isn't the first time this happened", when the last time this happened was more than 10 years ago.

And for those of you who haven't ever heard or seen Immus's program it is meant to be a comedy program. This man, along with such people like Opie and Anthony...they push the limits to bring this comedy. None of it should be taken to heart.

There's more but I'll restrain.

[master terrence]

I wonder if Imus is republican. Let's wait and see if Hillary and Obama do anything. I was thinking what a coincidence it was that he attacked a female basketball team with black players.

[Evil_Koala]

That is what's

That's what is

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my eyes are bleeding :(

**** GRAMMAR!!! **** SPELLING!

Gah!

[Old Ape Face]

**** GRAMMAR!!! **** SPELLING!

Gah!

That's what I've been saying all along. <_< You're better off just accepting it.

:D speaking of which, my grammar and spelling have improved, greatly, in the past month. A few unintentional slip ups but that's fixable.

[master terrence]

A misplaced coma isn't so bad, and reading your stuff isn't so bad as long as it sounds correct. Missed words are like a train wreck in my head though.

[Evil_Koala]

It has improved, Kyo. I must say.

IT'S AN APOSTROPHE YOU ILLITERATE ****!

[goddessofanime]

Howard Stern has said much worse things about everyone.

[master terrence]

's is equivalent to the verb is.

[Warabit]

... Al Sharpton was always a good person in my eyes....

:lol: :lol: :lol:
The guy is a complete Race-Baiter

[Old Ape Face]

Howard Stern has said much worse things about everyone.

:lol: Howard Stern is like the Rush Limba (sp) for pop culture.

[Bernard_Monsha]

I hate hoes. Specially nappy-headed ones.

But Al Shartpton uses Dark and Lovely No-Lye Conditioning Relaxer. Seriously anything that has Al Sharpton involved in any way shape or form should be ignored.

[Evil_Koala]

But Al Shartpton uses Dark and Lovely No-Lye Conditioning Relaxer. Seriously anything that has Al Sharpton involved in any way shape or form should be ignored.

Agreed...

Al Sharpton makes me angrii

D:<@@@@@@@

Lol nice hur

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Please. I've said worse things on AN than this Immus guy.

Moar liek this Immus gay if you know what I mean

[Jae Hoon]

People are completely overreacting to this, its this liberal thinking PC bull again.(I realize not all liberals are like that, mostly just the ones portrayed on tv)

Seriously are we so insecure and so egotistical now that every comment has to have everyone respond to it and have every news station talk about it for a week straight?

I mean if this is the TOP STORY of the day, isnt that kinda sad. Doesnt it kind of say our priorities are slightly out of place?

For those of you who dont know Don Imus is a shock jock, he gets paid to make comments like that all the time. This guy has been making fun of white people for years but that was ok, he makes one joke(mind you it was a joke) about one BBall team that thousands of people have thought themselves and people are looking to crucify him.

To be honest I turn the channel when that comes on, there are much more pressing issues then one shock jock saying something.

And I already know some liberal is going to come in here and whine about that first sentance so let me cover that now. That was talking about PC, PC was pushed by liberals and put to the forefront by liberals.

[LOSTyears]

Al Sharpton makes me angriiI hear ya. I don't know why men like him and Jesse feel they have to be the voice of the entire culture.
I especially hated it when they wanted to boycott the Seinfeld DVD's, why do the other actors have to suffer cause of one man's comments. As disappointed as I was with Richards I still love the show.
YAAY LETS BOYCOTT EVERYTHING.

[Tenou]

I mean if this is the TOP STORY of the day, isnt that kinda sad. Doesnt it kind of say our priorities are slightly out of place?


Me, I stay pretty far from US media... well as far as is possible when 87.5/90 television stations are American - But it's definitely not top story in Nova Scotia. Less than 30 seconds... But we've got bigger issues right now.

[Old Ape Face]

I hear ya. I don't know why men like him and Jesse feel they have to be the voice of the entire culture.
I especially hated it when they wanted to boycott the Seinfeld DVD's, why do the other actors have to suffer cause of one man's comments. As disappointed as I was with Richards I still love the show.
YAAY LETS BOYCOTT EVERYTHING.

I'll boycott Cow's milk for our own natural thing.

:huh: oops wrong thread.

[Evil_Koala]

I hear ya. I don't know why men like him and Jesse feel they have to be the voice of the entire culture.
I especially hated it when they wanted to boycott the Seinfeld DVD's, why do the other actors have to suffer cause of one man's comments. As disappointed as I was with Richards I still love the show.
YAAY LETS BOYCOTT EVERYTHING.

Yeah, Have you seen the South Park? The one...it was like ****** guy or something XD It made fun of them.

[LOSTyears]

^:lol: That episode was gold. Naggers XD!

[Rain]

People are completely overreacting to this, its this liberal thinking PC bull again.(I realize not all liberals are like that, mostly just the ones portrayed on tv)

Seriously are we so insecure and so egotistical now that every comment has to have everyone respond to it and have every news station talk about it for a week straight?

I mean if this is the TOP STORY of the day, isnt that kinda sad. Doesnt it kind of say our priorities are slightly out of place?

For those of you who dont know Don Imus is a shock jock, he gets paid to make comments like that all the time. This guy has been making fun of white people for years but that was ok, he makes one joke(mind you it was a joke) about one BBall team that thousands of people have thought themselves and people are looking to crucify him.

To be honest I turn the channel when that comes on, there are much more pressing issues then one shock jock saying something.

And I already know some liberal is going to come in here and whine about that first sentance so let me cover that now. That was talking about PC, PC was pushed by liberals and put to the forefront by liberals.

Everyone—sans hippies—sprouts the political correctness nonsense! Don't blame only the liberals! :(

[Haro!]

One must also think "how many black people actually listen to Imus?" I think this whole saying something dumb and having to apologize for it has gone too far. If people think that made the personality in question look dumb then it should just end there. Don't like what you hear don't listen to it. i heard Imus (and tons of other radio personalities) before and they're not my cup of tea so I just don't listen to it. I don't think Imus or Richards or Gibson are in a position of power where their opinion on race/religion matters.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Everyone—sans hippies—sprouts the political correctness nonsense! Don't blame only the liberals! :(

Stop being politically correct!

It is ridiculous that we are in a climate were you can't say what you think due to the thought police hovering around ready to give you your two minutes of hate on whatever media they can. People will mouth whatever BS they think the thought police will accept and any real discourse is lost. What is funny about it is America is the only place in the first world were this occours.

[Gannon]

What that guy said was nothing short of brilliant.




Being stupid and ignorant unfortunately has no legal punishment

And it shouldn't, because 9 times out of 10 it's friggin' hilarious (and the tenth time I'm already passed out from laughing so hard).


I mean if this is the TOP STORY of the day, isnt that kinda sad. Doesnt it kind of say our priorities are slightly out of place?


Yeah, everyone should be reading Japanese newspapers like me. Sexual harassment is at an all-time high on page 10. Great stuff.

What is funny about it is America is the only place in the first world were this occours.

Makes me glad I live in a video game world.

Personally, I felt there was no injustice served. I mean true, he called them that,

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

THREAD. OVER.

[Suiko Eiji]

I just don't see what the big deal is. Maybe I'm just insensitive. Maybe I just don't let something as silly as 'race' bother or affect me.

The fact of the matter is, whether or not he is a racist (which, browsing through what his comments were, there was nothing racist about them - bigoted and predjudiced, sure, but not really racist), but how will this effect the performance of his employer.

Imus, like most radio personalities, are hired to host a program that gets ratings. These ratings, in turn, are what sells advertising, which is what pays for stations. If advertisers drop his show like a hot potato, then he should be canned. If his shows continue to get revenue, put him on probation and back on the air.

The right to free speech is good, until idiots who think they have something good to say, like the KKK and the God hates gay people crowd get involved.

Oh, so unless they agree with you or some other mainstream opinion, they're not entitled to a fundamental right of our Republic? The free speech protections aren't in place to protect popular speech because by definition, popular speech needs no protection. Whether its the Klan or the Black Panthers having a rally, blogging tirades of the American Nazi* Party, or CPUSA publishing the latest Daily Worker, I feel their speech should be protected by the law no matter how much I may disagree with all of the above.

*Godwin's Law need not be invoked, I'm merely citing an example not directing it at anyone.

[Rurouni Saiyan]

Basically, Imus just said what every other black rap artist and black men at large say about black women in general. Sounds like the proverbial double standard to me: OK to make fun of the majority, but not minority.

[Dark_Shiki]

Oh, so unless they agree with you or some other mainstream opinion, they're not entitled to a fundamental right of our Republic? The free speech protections aren't in place to protect popular speech because by definition, popular speech needs no protection. Whether its the Klan or the Black Panthers having a rally, blogging tirades of the American Nazi* Party, or CPUSA publishing the latest Daily Worker, I feel their speech should be protected by the law no matter how much I may disagree with all of the above.

*Godwin's Law need not be invoked, I'm merely citing an example not directing it at anyone.

I see what you mean, good point. I was just saying before that free speech looks good until those people come along. I don't think they completely ruin it for the rest of us, it just makes it look bad, but hey that can happen with any given right just about. I guess it's like most other things, you have the ability to look away if you don't want to listen.

[Tenou]

Oh, so unless they agree with you or some other mainstream opinion, they're not entitled to a fundamental right of our Republic? The free speech protections aren't in place to protect popular speech because by definition, popular speech needs no protection. Whether its the Klan or the Black Panthers having a rally, blogging tirades of the American Nazi* Party, or CPUSA publishing the latest Daily Worker, I feel their speech should be protected by the law no matter how much I may disagree with all of the above.


Ok, ok, ok, I'm not an American, so I don't know the ins and outs of your freedom of speech, and what not. But some of those groups, like the Klan and the American Nazi Party tend not to fall under the protection of freedom of speech because what they do publish, preach, what have you, is hate speech, basically inciting hate crimes.
Freedom of speech only goes so far, it does not mean that anyone in the US can say what ever he feels like to anyone he pleases.

And before anyone goes and says 'Oh, but Ten'ou, you're so very wrong, because calling someone nappy headed isn't a hate crime. I can do that all day 'till the cows come home. And then I can call the cows nappy headed. And no one can do anything about it.'
Then I'd have to call you a bit of a moron because there is no point to insulting cows, especially with racial slurs. Really, could I hurt your feelings if you were a cow and I called you ugly? No, because you would know that you are ugly beyond description, therefore any insult you received would be a compliment.

So no, I'm not saying that what Imus said is a hate crime. Ignorant, yes; hate crime, no.

[soulreaper]

Imus should have brought up some of the racist things Sharpton has said about Jews when he appeard on his radio broadcast.

[HSaabedra]

Ok, ok, ok, I'm not an American, so I don't know the ins and outs of your freedom of speech, and what not. But some of those groups, like the Klan and the American Nazi Party tend not to fall under the protection of freedom of speech because what they do publish, preach, what have you, is hate speech, basically inciting hate crimes.
Freedom of speech only goes so far, it does not mean that anyone in the US can say what ever he feels like to anyone he pleases.

And before anyone goes and says 'Oh, but Ten'ou, you're so very wrong, because calling someone nappy headed isn't a hate crime. I can do that all day 'till the cows come home. And then I can call the cows nappy headed. And no one can do anything about it.'
Then I'd have to call you a bit of a moron because there is no point to insulting cows, especially with racial slurs. Really, could I hurt your feelings if you were a cow and I called you ugly? No, because you would know that you are ugly beyond description, therefore any insult you received would be a compliment.

So no, I'm not saying that what Imus said is a hate crime. Ignorant, yes; hate crime, no.

Both of your examples are null since The Klan and and the ANP are in fact protected groups under the first amendment. There are limitations to free speech and I really don't care what anyone says, so long as its not directed at me personally.

Everyone should have the right to express themselves, its people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton that make it harder on EVERYONE to do just that, because of a double standard that exists in this country thanks to the worthless idealism and ignorance that brought rise to political correctness.

People repress themselves in order to seem tolerant of everyone, but inside we've all stated our displeasure towards someone or something whether in public or private. I've been called retard, spic, wetback and many other names, and I never let it bother me, and I've said some pretty messed up stuff about other races as well.

When a person like myself who lives with a disability has to put up with constant judgment from strangers and has to work twice as hard as the person next to me, I get angry because they have no right to judge me, since they do not know me personally, yet they believe they're God incarnate.

I'm not a hateful person at all, I just hate how the media sensationalizes anything to do with race, and how people take offense to the smallest thing, but the biggest thing that offends me is dishonesty, especially when it comes to dealing with different races and people. You can say everything you want about not being bigoted or racist, but as Dave Chappelle and Chris Rock have said at different times: We're all racists sometimes.

[Tenou]

Yeah, I'm not exactly up on American politics, groups, and what not, all I know is that there was some legislation a few years back regarding hate speech and would have assumed that any group inciting hate would be subject to those laws. But you know what they say about assume.

[Defiled one]

:P ZOMGOD!! FLAME ORGY!!:P HELL YEAH!! :w00t:

I wanna be on top!! I WANNA BE ON TOP!!!:w00t:

[Suiko Eiji]

Well said, Axl, my friend, on all points.

I was just saying before that free speech looks good until those people come along. I don't think they completely ruin it for the rest of us, it just makes it look bad, but hey that can happen with any given right just about.

While I agree that I disagree with their world outlook fundamentally, I would rather live in a society that publicly shuns their ideals but protects their rights rather than live in a society which shuns both their ideals and their rights as if they were any more different than their opinion.

I guess it's like most other things, you have the ability to look away if you don't want to listen.

That's one part of it. The other part is that I don't consider them to be committing any social wrong until they commit a crime. And at that point, charge them with the crime and take them to court. I'm completely against thought-policing in any stretch of the word.

k, ok, ok, I'm not an American, so I don't know the ins and outs of your freedom of speech, and what not. But some of those groups, like the Klan and the American Nazi Party tend not to fall under the protection of freedom of speech because what they do publish, preach, what have you, is hate speech, basically inciting hate crimes.
Freedom of speech only goes so far, it does not mean that anyone in the US can say what ever he feels like to anyone he pleases.

That's part of the debate over the very idea of hate crimes and the limits of freedom of speech in the legal spectrum. The US Constitution guarantees a right to free speech and precedent has upheld that unprotected speech usually entails a violation of order or mis-interpretation of danger. The classical example from nearly every law and Poli-Sci text book is "shouting 'fire!' in a crowded theater..." when there is no fire. Judges in various State Supreme Courts and SCotUS have both up-held that even 'hate speech' is protected. Conversely, hate speech and hateful thoughts have been used not only to prove motive in criminal cases but to also incur additional extensions of prison times for the convicted. Whether or not these actions are truly Constitutional is up for debate; while some people feel that the additional time is necessary, I think that's a bit of social engineering that violates the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.

I just want you to know I'm not picking on you, but you have the interesting perspective of living in a country which prohibits hate speech (or, at least, I think Canada does like France or Germany (and maybe Britain?)) and protects a lot of other forms of free speech; as opposed to the US protecting many different forms of speech all as free speech.

[Tenou]

That's part of the debate over the very idea of hate crimes and the limits of freedom of speech in the legal spectrum. The US Constitution guarantees a right to free speech and precedent has upheld that unprotected speech usually entails a violation of order or mis-interpretation of danger. The classical example from nearly every law and Poli-Sci text book is "shouting 'fire!' in a crowded theater..." when there is no fire. Judges in various State Supreme Courts and SCotUS have both up-held that even 'hate speech' is protected. Conversely, hate speech and hateful thoughts have been used not only to prove motive in criminal cases but to also incur additional extensions of prison times for the convicted. Whether or not these actions are truly Constitutional is up for debate; while some people feel that the additional time is necessary, I think that's a bit of social engineering that violates the 14th Amendment to the US Constitution.

I just want you to know I'm not picking on you, but you have the interesting perspective of living in a country which prohibits hate speech (or, at least, I think Canada does like France or Germany (and maybe Britain?)) and protects a lot of other forms of free speech; as opposed to the US protecting many different forms of speech all as free speech.

Really, I'm not as sensitive as everyone seems to think I am... Ok, maybe I am, but I don't take this to heart. Though I didn't actually look, I may be the only non Yank who posted here, so really, it's kind of hard not to single me out... And I don't mind that at all. I might even bask in the attention... Ok, maybe not.

Anyway, Canada does have legislation against hate speech. Last year or maybe the year before gay bashing (physical and verbal) was added to the list of hate crimes. So racial slurs, inciting hate, that sort of thing is criminal. And I kind of think it's right. Should someone be able to come up to me and scream homophobic obscenities in my face? No.

But there's a bigger difference than in the laws themselves. Here, we don't have the Shock Jocks, Fox, that sort of thing like you do in the U.S. It's really a fundamental differences in National identity... what we like to think of ourselves. Not saying that Canadians don't listen to it, but Canadians prefer their media to be less controversial... Or at least, we've been conditioned to think so.

That, and we're much more socialist. Individualism only to the point where it starts to affect the rest of society. Personally, I prefer it this way. Not saying that individualism is bad, mind, but I think that society should come first... like the great Mr. Spock once said, The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the one.

[Bernard_Monsha]

How do you incite hate? Sounds like thought crime to me.

[Suiko Eiji]

Should someone be able to come up to me and scream homophobic obscenities in my face? No.

I would agree, but only on principle that it's rude. I still don't think there should be a law against what they say.

That, and we're much more socialist. Individualism only to the point where it starts to affect the rest of society. Personally, I prefer it this way. Not saying that individualism is bad, mind, but I think that society should come first... like the great Mr. Spock once said, The needs of the many out weigh the needs of the one.

I think this is the real heart of what makes the US so different from so many other places with British heritage (for lack of better phrasing) - America was founded upon principles of individualism and the classic phrase "My rights end where yours begin." Way out of scope of this thread and this forum's TOS, I have a very, very frightening feeling that these beliefs are dying off and we're picking up the pace towards socialism like a snowball rolling down the Rockies.

We'll just have to accept our differences on the issue, darling.

[Rain]

Stop being politically correct!

I don't want to offend anyone!

It is ridiculous that we are in a climate were you can't say what you think due to the thought police hovering around ready to give you your two minutes of hate on whatever media they can. People will mouth whatever BS they think the thought police will accept and any real discourse is lost. What is funny about it is America is the only place in the first world were this occours.

Isn't this a classic example of situational irony? :lol:

Freedom of speech only goes so far, it does not mean that anyone in the US can say what ever he feels like to anyone he pleases.

Technically, an American can say whatever the hell he pleases, but in reality, there are "boundaries" that ought not to be crossed if he does not want to be sued* for defamation (slander and libel, etc.).

*It's an American's favorite pastime.

[tenshi_a]

Hi. I just walked into this thread. Then I read a few news articles. I don't get it. I can't see what the big fuss is? Some guy got fired from his job? Uh-huh? And... he was a radio presenter. Yeah?

....so...?

Did something *really bad* happen today, and this is just a news cover-up so no-one notices?

[HSaabedra]

Hi. I just walked into this thread. Then I read a few news articles. I don't get it. I can't see what the big fuss is? Some guy got fired from his job? Uh-huh? And... he was a radio presenter. Yeah?

....so...?

Did something *really bad* happen today, and this is just a news cover-up so no-one notices?

"They" are here. :ph34r: *runs for safety and gives tenshi a shotgun* You'll thank me later!

[kenshinbebop]

Hi. I just walked into this thread. Then I read a few news articles. I don't get it. I can't see what the big fuss is? Some guy got fired from his job? Uh-huh? And... he was a radio presenter. Yeah?

....so...?

Did something *really bad* happen today, and this is just a news cover-up so no-one notices?

The deal is he is in hot water for saying stuff that's not half as bad as what a lot of othe people say and remain untargeted...

[tenshi_a]

And the award for best typo goes to...

A misplaced coma isn't so bad

(I still don't understand... are radio presenters like gods in the US?)

[HSaabedra]

And the award for best typo goes to...



(I still don't understand... are radio presenters like gods in the US?)

This particular type of radio presenter is almost exclusively a US phenomenon. These people are paid to incite listeners whether it be positively or negatively. They touch on sensitive topics and use crude humor to shock and surprise.

[Old Ape Face]

This particular type of radio presenter is almost exclusively a US phenomenon. These people are paid to incite listeners whether it be positively or negatively. They touch on sensitive topics and use crude humor to shock and surprise.

My *** is in your Coffee maker, now give me ten bucks, My *** isn't free you know. <_<

[HSaabedra]

!@#$%^&&&*@#$%^&!@#$%^!@#$%^&*

Fixed for legibility. ^_^

[Old Ape Face]

Hey I didn't know you understood bull****? :O

[GreatNekoKoneko]

Hey I didn't know you understood bull****? :O

... that wasn't bull. it was classic Redneck dialect.

[Old Ape Face]

Ah I should have known his % weren't expressed enough before his $

Bull**** goes more like %%%&&**(@@@^####&&%%%%%$$$) it's more coherent.

[Evil_Koala]

lol he got fired. Just goes to show you, if you ***** enough, you get what you want. LOL, MINORITIES!

[kenshinbebop]

****in ******** to be honest.

[soulreaper]

lol he got fired. Just goes to show you, if you ***** enough, you get what you want. LOL, MINORITIES!

What? He was fired?

[Evil_Koala]

What? He was fired?

I think so.

[goddessofanime]

He's not fired completely.

MSNBC is just going to stop doing simulcasts of his show.

I've only listened to him once or twice; all I kept thinking of was that he's ripping off Howard Stern and what an *** he is.

[soulreaper]

If that's all, then there's still hope for him. It doesn't matter what I think of his actual show; him getting fired over this would be a bigger injustice than his original comment.

[kenshinbebop]

Yeah, MSNB isn't gonig to show his soh on TV anymore, he'll jsut be on the radio.

[Bernard_Monsha]

He's not fired completely.

MSNBC is just going to stop doing simulcasts of his show.

I've only listened to him once or twice; all I kept thinking of was that he's ripping off Howard Stern and what an *** he is.

More like Howard Stern was ripping him off, Imas was on the radio for years before Stern got on.

[Tenou]

How do you incite hate? Sounds like thought crime to me.
Sorry, not paying enough attention to the actual words I was using. Inciting violence through hate speech.

I would agree, but only on principle that it's rude. I still don't think there should be a law against what they say.
So you'd defend someone's right to promote that blacks/gays/Christians/Muslims/pro lifers/whoever shouldn't be allowed to live, that they should be wiped from the Earth? (I.E, inciting violence, got it in two).
When the U.S. seems to... encourage on some levels (such as the shock jocks and what have you - or so it appears to an outsider) racism, sexism, and other isms, it seems a little detrimental to society not to have laws against promoting it. I don't know how a society could continue like that.


I think this is the real heart of what makes the US so different from so many other places with British heritage (for lack of better phrasing) - America was founded upon principles of individualism and the classic phrase "My rights end where yours begin." Way out of scope of this thread and this forum's TOS, I have a very, very frightening feeling that these beliefs are dying off and we're picking up the pace towards socialism like a snowball rolling down the Rockies.

We'll just have to accept our differences on the issue, darling.

How could you not love socialism? Brings things like universal health care and education, emphasis on arts and culture, baby bonuses and pensions, equalization and equality in quality of life (well, in theory, in practice, the Maritimes are still getting the shaft). I couldn't give that up for the right to carry a gun and call someone a nappy headed hoe. I really think you're missing out, hon. Move to Canada for a few years, you might find it grows on you. It's a great way of life.

Hi. I just walked into this thread. Then I read a few news articles. I don't get it. I can't see what the big fuss is? Some guy got fired from his job? Uh-huh? And... he was a radio presenter. Yeah?

....so...?

Did something *really bad* happen today, and this is just a news cover-up so no-one notices?
(I still don't understand... are radio presenters like gods in the US?)
Oh, you just came in because you saw that I'd posted.
Yeah...
I don't really get the draw to the radio/TV personalities. When I've got nothing better to do I sometimes watch Fox news or CNN, but I don't find that they're... They're not the way I like my news. Give me CBC any day.

Anyway, I figure that the US just didn't want to air that Canada lost 6 soldiers in Afghanistan, most of them being Maritimers. Sad, the last big loss also had hit the Maritimes hard.

[Rain]

So you'd defend someone's right to promote that blacks/gays/Christians/Muslims/pro lifers/whoever shouldn't be allowed to live, that they should be wiped from the Earth? (I.E, inciting violence, got it in two).
When the U.S. seems to... encourage on some levels (such as the shock jocks and what have you - or so it appears to an outsider) racism, sexism, and other isms, it seems a little detrimental to society not to have laws against promoting it. I don't know how a society could continue like that.

Of course. Every American has a right to free speech. (I know that the above sentiment isn't directed to me, but I'd like to answer anyway.)

How could you not love socialism? Brings things like universal health care and education, emphasis on arts and culture, baby bonuses and pensions, equalization and equality in quality of life (well, in theory, in practice, the Maritimes are still getting the shaft). I couldn't give that up for the right to carry a gun and call someone a nappy headed hoe. I really think you're missing out, hon. Move to Canada for a few years, you might find it grows on you. It's a great way of life.

Frankly speaking, I don't "love" socialism, and I'm Canadian.

Oh, by the way, socialism also brings things like hefty taxes, long wait times, subsidized education—no, it's not free—complete with extra course fees, yearbook fees, etc., disorganized unions, unnecessary bureaucracy, and lax criminal punishments (ban on capital punishment).

[Suiko Eiji]

So you'd defend someone's right to promote that blacks/gays/Christians/Muslims/pro lifers/whoever shouldn't be allowed to live, that they should be wiped from the Earth? (I.E, inciting violence, got it in two).

When it's just the speech itself? You're damn right I do. As I illustrated in my earlier example, in no way do I support the speech or activities of the American Nazi Party, the Klan, the Black Panthers, or CPUSA; however, I don't think they should be banned and their ideas made illegal because they're ignorant and hateful.

Speech itself does not always make the root of a crime - actually carrying through and committing a crime because of it is a different story. You'd think that because I read a few paragraphs of Mein Kampf while bored in the High School library I'd be buying up land and building my own KzL and rounding up Jews to throw in there. Couldn't be further from the truth - then or now. Sure, 'hate speech' can be used to demonstrate motive (see:Matthew Shepard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard)) in a crime but the real crime was actually committing his murder.


When the U.S. seems to... encourage on some levels (such as the shock jocks and what have you - or so it appears to an outsider) racism, sexism, and other isms, it seems a little detrimental to society not to have laws against promoting it. I don't know how a society could continue like that.

Shock jocks aren't really what I would consider mainstream society, but with the way a lot of the way political correctness has turned in the country, the shock jocks' joke arsenal comes from the things that people can no longer say and still be accepted by the public. Whether or not one agrees with them, or they really believe what they say or not, at the end of the day, it's all business. They're in place to get an audience to sell advertising space; those that fail to get an audience or fail to get advertisers also fail to keep their jobs, no matter what they say.

How could you not love socialism?

Because I love the way Adam Smith's invisible hands touch me?

Brings things like universal health care and education, emphasis on arts and culture, baby bonuses and pensions, equalization and equality in quality of life (well, in theory, in practice, the Maritimes are still getting the shaft). I couldn't give that up for the right to carry a gun and call someone a nappy headed hoe. I really think you're missing out, hon. Move to Canada for a few years, you might find it grows on you. It's a great way of life.

I'd only move to Canada so I could get Hockey Night in Canada without having to drive forty-five minutes and eat at a restaurant. :lol:

Each of the "benefits" all have different reasons why I don't want them.

Most of the education in the US is universal - all except for Univeristy-level - and it's pitiful.

Health care is expensive in the US because of government intervention enough as it is. Plus, many of our Northern border States have plenty of Canadian nationals crossing the border and paying out of pocket for major operations that their own NHS can't get to fast enough. It's nice for little things like check ups, immunizations, and the occasional broken bone but transplants? The wait is long here and even longer in Canada.

Baby-bonuses and pensions I can pay for on my own for working my *** off and taking responsibility for my own actions. Likewise for having an above average quality of life for me and my family.

Individual responsibilities, all of them; <3 for my guns, not withstanding.

Anyway, I figure that the US just didn't want to air that Canada lost 6 soldiers in Afghanistan, most of them being Maritimers. Sad, the last big loss also had hit the Maritimes hard.

No one reports hardly anything on the Afghani theater anymore. Cynically, it's probably because even though an "insurgency" has picked up, we're (NATO inclusive) still kicking their arses and an overwhelming majority of the populous supports O:EF where as O:IF is a constant hot-bed of controversy for one reason or another.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Try to keep this remotely on topic;

[Tenou]

Frankly speaking, I don't "love" socialism, and I'm Canadian.

Oh, by the way, socialism also brings things like hefty taxes, long wait times, subsidized education—no, it's not free—complete with extra course fees, yearbook fees, etc., disorganized unions, unnecessary bureaucracy, and lax criminal punishments (ban on capital punishment).
There's a price to pay for everything you have or don't have. And something are a little broken or don't work quite the way we expected, but we're still young yet. We might get it right yet.

Speech itself does not always make the root of a crime - actually carrying through and committing a crime because of it is a different story. You'd think that because I read a few paragraphs of Mein Kampf while bored in the High School library I'd be buying up land and building my own KzL and rounding up Jews to throw in there. Couldn't be further from the truth - then or now. Sure, 'hate speech' can be used to demonstrate motive (see:Matthew Shepard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Shepard)) in a crime but the real crime was actually committing his murder.

Words can and do hurt, either directly or indirectly. When you can bring yourself to dehumanize another person through language, it's not a big leap before the words become actions (no, I'm not saying violence, but even discrimination). But that's not going to change your mind.

And I'm quite familiar with the Mathew Shepard case... the movie is on every other day in the summer because CTV doesn't have any better programming, hence my growing DVD collection.

Shock jocks aren't really what I would consider mainstream society, but with the way a lot of the way political correctness has turned in the country, the shock jocks' joke arsenal comes from the things that people can no longer say and still be accepted by the public. Whether or not one agrees with them, or they really believe what they say or not, at the end of the day, it's all business. They're in place to get an audience to sell advertising space; those that fail to get an audience or fail to get advertisers also fail to keep their jobs, no matter what they say.
It's not just the shock jocks, I've also seen similar behaviour in reporters/anchors for CNN and FOX.
But the fact that they actually say... Jesus, what was the last one I saw... two men fighting over something and calling each other liars. Either way, even if it is just to get a market share, that means that there is a market for it. But as you say, whether or not the viewers agree with it is another matter. I'll tell you this though, you'd have a hard time getting most of it past the CRTC.

Because I love the way Adam Smith's invisible hands touch me? ... You need to find yourself a woman, luv.

I'd only move to Canada so I could get Hockey Night in Canada without having to drive forty-five minutes and eat at a restaurant. :lol:

Well, if you like Hockey Night in Canada, you're more than halfway to being Canadian, it's the most important part, you ken.

Each of the "benefits" all have different reasons why I don't want them.
Individual responsibilities, all of them; <3 for my guns, not withstanding.

Well, I'm a socialist at heart and maybe a little liberal, so I'm never going to agree that we should become more individualistic. True, some things here, like health care are a little broken and mangled, and should have a proper burial, but the problems can be fixed.

No one reports hardly anything on the Afghani theater anymore. Cynically, it's probably because even though an "insurgency" has picked up, we're (NATO inclusive) still kicking their arses and an overwhelming majority of the populous supports O:EF where as O:IF is a constant hot-bed of controversy for one reason or another.
Oh, I'm not talking about actual reporting on Afghanistan (sorry, we don't really use any cute little euphemisms), but as of today, we've lost 8 soldiers in the last week all from the same region (which isn't surprising as Maritimers join the military in droves, well above the rest of the country), and just figured I'd slip in what I though was an important bit of information. It's been in the media almost non stop.


I've figured it out. The nightly news just did a 3 minute spot on potholes. And there will be another tomorrow evening. Notwithstanding the 15 minutes dedicated to 2 more soldiers, this is the most important and controversial segment on tonight's news.
So what Americans need are potholes. Unite, unite over the potholes, talk more about weather. Put aside your differences and hate the 25cm of snow and the freezing rain and storm warning in APRIL! (I've got an exam tomorrow, and it looks like I'll be driving 45 minutes through freezing rain and a whack of snow to do it... in SPRING!).
SO talk more about the weather, the long wait times, the price of tuition, and the state of the rodes, watch all of that controversial media just walk out the door.

[Bradster]

Now his radio show's been cancelled. Excellent. Now we just have to go after other Delta favorites like Coulter, Malkin, and the majority of the Fox personalities.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Now his radio show's been cancelled. Excellent. Now we just have to go after other Delta favorites like Coulter, Malkin, and the majority of the Fox personalities.

Right after arresting, stripping of all material possesions, flogging and deporting Al Frankin, George Soros, Jane Fonda, Ted Turner and all the left wingers it will be perfect.:P

[kenshinbebop]

This is a ****ing outrage. I'm god damn serious, I'm so pissed right now, I pnuched a wall and now my hand hurts. :/

[soulreaper]

Funny how Sharpton still hasn't apologized to those three lacrosse players.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Funny how Sharpton still hasn't apologized to those three lacrosse players.

Or to the Central Park rape victim (He was shouting in a megaphone "What was the ***** doing in the park" during in the trial), or to all the people whose lives were ruined by him when he drug out uber ho Tawana Brawley. I will have a party when that son of a ***** dies and be sure to piss on his grave.

[Dark_Shiki]

Wow, I'm kind of surprised they full on and went to fire him. Sure, what he said recently, and even over the years was offensive, but after doing that shouldn't they fire every other person who spews derogotory rhetoric? Look, if one person can't say stupid things, then logically, no one else should either. It's all ugly no matter who it comes from.

I think the public backlash was enough of an embarrassment, and maybe with a suspension, but firing just shows how much of a double standard there is. Things need to either even out, or don't take such drastic measures for something that might hurt the feelings of others. Words can hurt, I've experienced it, but there is a point where rising above what others will say will mean more than any words that can be spoken.

[Gannon]

I think has less to do with the comments themselves and more to do with the comments being directed towards featured members from a prestigious school with a championship basketball program.

[kenshinbebop]

They didn't evne win the championship...

[Suiko Eiji]

Words can and do hurt, either directly or indirectly. When you can bring yourself to dehumanize another person through language, it's not a big leap before the words become actions (no, I'm not saying violence, but even discrimination). But that's not going to change your mind.

And I'm quite familiar with the Mathew Shepard case... the movie is on every other day in the summer because CTV doesn't have any better programming, hence my growing DVD collection.

I can agree that words hurt, but when words are just words and by developing a tough skin, I've learned not to care what words people throw at me. I also still believe that there is a large jump between words themselves, no matter how hurtful, and them leading to the commission of a crime.

... You need to find yourself a woman, luv.

While that's 100% true, it's not related to my love of capitalism.


Well, if you like Hockey Night in Canada, you're more than halfway to being Canadian, it's the most important part, you ken.

:lol:

I've figured it out. The nightly news just did a 3 minute spot on potholes. And there will be another tomorrow evening. Notwithstanding the 15 minutes dedicated to 2 more soldiers, this is the most important and controversial segment on tonight's news.
So what Americans need are potholes. Unite, unite over the potholes, talk more about weather. Put aside your differences and hate the 25cm of snow and the freezing rain and storm warning in APRIL! (I've got an exam tomorrow, and it looks like I'll be driving 45 minutes through freezing rain and a whack of snow to do it... in SPRING!).
SO talk more about the weather, the long wait times, the price of tuition, and the state of the rodes, watch all of that controversial media just walk out the door.

I have a feeling that those topics will only become more controversial at at that point. It's just a Yank, thing.

I think the public backlash was enough of an embarrassment, and maybe with a suspension, but firing just shows how much of a double standard there is.

I would agree whole-heartedly with this. This double standard nonsense really should stop.

[Headcrab]

Don Immus is the new Micheal Richards, nice guys, just made a stupid mistake, and paid out the *** for it.

[RPGQueen]

I had no idea of who this guy was untill the contriversy. he seems like a jerk and should be kicked really hard. someone go kick him.

[soulreaper]

I had no idea of who this guy was untill the contriversy. he seems like a jerk and should be kicked really hard. someone go kick him.

See, this is the thing, unless you actually know who he is, you shouldn't be asking for his resignation. I'm not jumping to any conclusions about you in particular, but too many of Sharpton's followers and other protesters were just people who had heard about what he said and didn't know anything else about him. For example, did you know he used sums of his income to fund a ranch for children with cancer? Besides, we all make mistakes, and just because he used a racially derogatory term doesn't mean he's some huge racist.

Actually, yeah, someone should have kicked him, but not fired him. This is just ridiculous. Even the frigging team forgave him and said they didn't want him to lose his job over this, but the other, so-called "peacemakers" (ie: Sharpton and his equally ignorant believers) were in too much of an attention-whoring rage to calm down and think things through logically.

Sorry if it seems like this is target at you, RPGQueen, because it's not. It's just a rant; I needed to vent somehow. I'm still pissed about this.

[Berserker_Bob]

I kept up to date with the story for a while due to the fact it comes on SNY channel after every Mets game
....i think firing him was extragent.....but what gets to me is when friggen sharpton and jackson gets involved... i rly think this should have been settled between Imus and the Bball team...and he should have been suspended for a while as a warning that he has to stop going at people like this (theres other ways u can make fun of people without getting them all riled up)....however... i wish we had someone who go after sharpton and Jackson the way they do to everyone else..............and I'm sick of how nothing gets done when a white person gets insulted (racial wise, etc.).........well anyone else hear about the german amry training tape now?? some how i know sharpton is going to get involved with the officer who said all that.....it rly isn't any of our business though.....let the germans deal with their own problems...besides everyone knows the germans are nice people until they put on an amry uniform....

[kenshinbebop]

:lol: Listening to Mike and the Maddog in Imus' spot was almost kind of great.

They were talking so much crap about the company, and the guests that used to go on Imus' show but are now against him.

It was great.

Them and Opie and Anthony are thr only good shock jocks left...

[Berserker_Bob]

:lol: Listening to Mike and the Maddog in Imus' spot was almost kind of great.

They were talking so much crap about the company, and the guests that used to go on Imus' show but are now against him.

It was great.

Them and Opie and Anthony are thr only good shock jocks left...

awww i rly wish i could have heard it....i've always like mike and the maddog....but thats cause im a sports fan rly....

[Maikeru-sama]

I had no idea of who this guy was untill the contriversy. he seems like a jerk and should be kicked really hard. someone go kick him.

Be glad you didn't.

He was an idiot and deserved everything he got.

- Mike G.

[Dark_Shiki]

I think I heard the guy has even done cocaine on air. I don't know how true that is, but if it is, then it's more like his employers let him get away with too much.

[kenshinbebop]

Be glad you didn't.

He was an idiot and deserved everything he got.

- Mike G.

I had no idea of who this guy was untill the contriversy. he seems like a jerk and should be kicked really hard. someone go kick him.

Yup...only jerks and idiots own ranches for dying children and raise millions for them. What kind of twisted person is he!? He is so obviously some racist bastard who meant everything he said...:rolleyes:

[/the most sarcastic I've ever been EVER]

[Soluzar]

What I find a bit hard to swallow is how the radio station have for years been profiting by the reputation Imus had as a controversial character, and this one time that he goes ahead and says something perfectly in keeping with that established character, they act like they are so shocked.

I don't really care about Don Imus, since his radio show isn't available in my country, but the hypocrisy bothers me. He was employed to be controversial and shocking, so how the hell can they fire him for being controversial and shocking?

[Zash]

just one thing....Poland rocks..

[Hara!]

Yup...only jerks and idiots own ranches for dying children and raise millions for them. What kind of twisted person is he!? He is so obviously some racist bastard who meant everything he said...:rolleyes:

[/the most sarcastic I've ever been EVER]

This reminds me of those ¨what about all the GOOD things Hitler did!¨ essays.

[Bernard_Monsha]

This reminds me of those ¨what about all the GOOD things Hitler did!¨ essays.

This post fails for breaking Godwin's Law and extreme stupidity.

[CrossboneGundam]

I like the way Stephen Colbert paraphrased Imus' quote last night: "Silken-haired damsels". :lol:

[Haro!]

Colbert was awesome for that one. But what about those paprika-snorting-gulies and their lousy guitar playing? That was good too. And the clip of "ching chong ding dong" reminded me of a new pick up line to use

[CrossboneGundam]

And the clip of "ching chong ding dong" reminded me of a new pick up line to use

"WEE GO TO BANG-KOK!"

[Haro!]

"WEE GO TO BANG-KOK!"

"hop on my rickshaw I give you ride to bangkok" I used that in class the other day. Girl was taken though, sigh.

Anyway yeah I feel bad that Imus got screwed like that. i mean if I were the team I'd feel bad that he got fired for some dumb s*** like that. people get away with more than that and get no attention.

[Maikeru-sama]

Yup...only jerks and idiots own ranches for dying children and raise millions for them. What kind of twisted person is he!? He is so obviously some racist bastard who meant everything he said...:rolleyes:

[/the most sarcastic I've ever been EVER]

So the hell what?

John Rocker was known for letting players from Central and South American teammates room with him when they first arrived in America. Those good deeds doesn't mean he can say whatever he wants about those same type of people, minorities, gays, New Yorkers and everybody else that doesn't look like him and not suffer the consequences.

Most people in this world are good people, but no matter how good of a person you are and no matter how many good things you do, that doesn't gurantee you a pass when you consantly push the envelop.


- Mike G.

[HSaabedra]

So the hell what?

John Rocker was known for letting players from Central and South American teammates room with him when they first arrived in America. Those good deeds doesn't mean he can say whatever he wants about those same type of people, minorities, gays, New Yorkers and everybody else that doesn't look like him and not suffer the consequences.

Most people in this world are good people, but no matter how good of a person you are and no matter how many good things you do, that doesn't gurantee you a pass when you consantly push the envelop.


- Mike G.

Hypocrisy is hypocrisy. To fire someone who was paid to generate revenue by being shocking and saying what we all think smacks of a forced sense of decency. No one should be given special treatment when it comes to offensive language. If you are offended, than you really need to evaluate your ability to reason and think.

[kenshinbebop]

So the hell what?

John Rocker was known for letting players from Central and South American teammates room with him when they first arrived in America. Those good deeds doesn't mean he can say whatever he wants about those same type of people, minorities, gays, New Yorkers and everybody else that doesn't look like him and not suffer the consequences.

Most people in this world are good people, but no matter how good of a person you are and no matter how many good things you do, that doesn't gurantee you a pass when you consantly push the envelop.


- Mike G.

Yes, because we all know that letting people room with you is as important as raising millions for dying children. What was I thinking?

You sir, seem like your just finding anyway to bash him because you dislike him. I guess I'm technicaly biased in the opposite, but lets face it. As Axl said, he was HIRED to be funny and edgy. He's BEEN funny and edgy for the past decades. So now, they FIRE him for being funny ad edgy?

I'm not saying what he said was right. But it was damn funny, and that was the way he intended it. He should've in no way been fired.

This reminds me of those ¨what about all the GOOD things Hitler did!¨ essays.
YOU PHAIL.
This in no way relates to that. Unless perhaps Hitler killed 6 million Jewish people to do his job and be funny.

Which did not happen.

So, as before...

You Phail.

[kenshinbebop]

So, it looks like he may file a lawsuit for the money still owed to him due to contract...

[Fobb]

What I hate most about it is the unnecessary finger pointing at hip-hop.

[animeotaku99]

What I hate most about it is the unnecessary finger pointing at hip-hop.

How is it unnecessary? Rapers (and that racist reverend guy) say worse stuff all the time. and one white guy says something humorously and gets canned for it.Rappers are the ones that ensight such hatred.

[Fobb]

How is it unnecessary? Rapers (and that racist reverend guy) say worse stuff all the time. and one white guy says something humorously and gets canned for it.Rappers are the ones that ensight such hatred.

I'd like to see you site any source that states that Imus listens to any kind of hip-hop. How are you gonna pin it on hip-hop when the person in question has never had any sort of exposure to it? That's like when we were kids, and you said the "F" word. "But he said it first!"

That still doesn't make it right.

[kenshinbebop]

What I hate most about it is the unnecessary finger pointing at hip-hop.

Are you for shizzle my nizzle?

[Fobb]

Read above post

[Suiko Eiji]

What I hate most about it is the unnecessary finger pointing at hip-hop.

Why does it matter, especially at this stage of the game? Economics took care of Imus and hip-hop will be left alone as it has been for the past decade and a half.

You might not remember, but look at when Heston rallied against NWA in the early ninties. He wanted the music banned, especially songs like "Cop Killer" (an action I don't support at all), and look what happened. Preverbally nothing - Ice-T has a very well paying and prosperous career and the latter half of the decade was populated by gangster rap by the likes of Tupac and Notorious BIG.

[Fobb]

I have absolutely no doubt that hip-hop will remain unchanged, even with all the rallying Simmons has been doing, but still. It gets old after a while...

[JaidaDv]

http://money.cnn.com/2007/05/01/news/newsmakers/pluggedin_arango_imus.fortune/index.htm?

[HSaabedra]

Why does it matter, especially at this stage of the game? Economics took care of Imus and hip-hop will be left alone as it has been for the past decade and a half.

You might not remember, but look at when Heston rallied against Body Count in the early ninties. He wanted the music banned, especially songs like "Cop Killer" (an action I don't support at all), and look what happened. Preverbally nothing - Ice-T has a very well paying and prosperous career and the latter half of the decade was populated by gangster rap by the likes of Tupac and Notorious BIG.

I fixed the quote for accuracy, as NWA was on an FBI watchlist in the late 80's thanks to Tipper Gore and her idiotic attempt at homogeneous tripe known as the PMRC (Parents Music Resource Coalition)

The funny thing is, while the artists defend their craft as storytelling, it's obvious to an observer like myself that there is a huge double standard in play here. Statistically the biggest consumer of hip hop culture is a white 20 year old male making $35,000 a year. If that same person were to go out and try to put those same experiences down in Cubase, Nuendo, or ProTools that he hears on the CD, the guy would be chastised for "glorifying a stereotype"

Tell me PE, do you really believe that hip hop is a completely different target when they use the same language in the same context as Imus used it, as a joke?

[Fobb]

This reply has been deleted, and now I'm gonna work out a proper reply. It made no sense whatsoever :lol:

[Fobb]

I agree, there is a double standard. I also agree that it was taken too seriously. He's said countless other things about different ethnicities, personally I hear stuff like this all the time about other races/religions. But there really is no point in blaming hip-hop for it. Yes, we know terms like that originate from mainstream rap, and mainstream hip-hop culture. But that still has no relevancy to the matter at hand. It's like saying "Well, if he can run the field naked, so can I". Are we going to rap for Imus calling Gwen Ifill a "cleaning lady"? What about him saying that the Williams twins had a better shot at National Geographic than they had at Playboy? The remarks were completely, utterly, and undoubtedly racist. My point is, hip-hop can't be blamed for him thinking himself to be superior to every other race.

[HSaabedra]

My point is, hip-hop can't be blamed for him thinking himself to be superior to every other race.

In my years of listening to Imus he has never stated or inferred such, even as a joke. You do understand the reason for hip-hop being blamed in the first place was solely as a comparison of the type of language he used? Barring his other remarks, "nappy headed ho" is almost exclusively used in rap music, movies, by stand up comedians, and by the community itself.

Do you honestly expect me to say that it shouldn't be blamed when it is a part of the problem as a whole?

[Fobb]

You're telling me he hasn't ever said any of those statement's I've already referred? Saying Serena Williams belongs on National Geographic seems pretty racist to me. What about calling Gwen Ifill a "cleaning lady"? He has a history of saying these kind of things, so I seriously doubt his apology was heartfelt.

And how does it have any connection to what Don Imus had said? The problem isn't that rap lyrics are sometimes questionable. There is no denying that fact. The problem is blaming hip-hop for what he did.

[HSaabedra]

And how does it have any connection to what Don Imus had said? The problem isn't that rap lyrics are sometimes questionable. There is no denying that fact. The problem is blaming hip-hop for what he did.

You're putting words in my mouth. I said "Barring the other statements in question" That means he said them but they have no place in this discussion. Hip hop has a connection to this by the type of language he used as well as the larger issue of double standards and the apologists that will come out and defend hip hop when it is just as guilty of even worse in regards to lyrical content.

[Fobb]

Well, see, what we are doing here is going in circles, lol. I don't deny hip-hop is to blame for stuff like that, but I do think that it has no relevance to the matter. I agree with what you're saying, and adding my own sentiments.

[HSaabedra]

Well, see, what we are doing here is going in circles, lol. I don't deny hip-hop is to blame for stuff like that, but I do think that it has no relevance to the matter. I agree with what you're saying, and adding my own sentiments.

No wonder I felt dizzy....:lol: Anyway I guess we'll have to let this die.

[kenshinbebop]

What people don't seem to understand., is that he is a shock jock. He is a radio show host that is meant to push boundaries and be funny. People who don't like it shouldn't listen, but he damn sure shouldn't be in trouble for DOING HIS ****ING JOB.

Also, it's know fact that hip hop is a genre that contains profanity, demeaning lyrics, and racial stuff. Not all hip hop, but the most known does. One doesn't need to be a hip hop afficianado to know this. To say that jsut becasue you don't listen to hip hop, you can't say it uses profanity is ****ing bull.

And finally...NO ONE. EVER. Blamed hip hop for him saying wat he said. The problem that was laid against hip hop is that these artists say things SO MUCH more worse than Nappy Headed Ho, and the media is all in a up roar...why deosn't Al Sharpton yell about hip hop artists saying these things? Ya wanna know why? Because they're black. Is that fair? No. NO. NOOOOOOO.

[Fobb]

Um....hate to break it, but we already settled that. We agreed that he had a right to say it, that he was doing his job. We even agreed there is a double standard, but I don't know if he agrees or not, but what he said has no relevance to hip-hop at all. That's what I meant by my comments. What's the point of saying "well, they do it, so can I"? It really has no relevance in the matter.

[Fobb]

And finally...NO ONE. EVER. Blamed hip hop for him saying wat he said. The problem that was laid against hip hop is that these artists say things SO MUCH more worse than Nappy Headed Ho, and the media is all in a up roar...why deosn't Al Sharpton yell about hip hop artists saying these things? Ya wanna know why? Because they're black. Is that fair? No. NO. NOOOOOOO.

And that is exactly how it was brought up.

[kenshinbebop]

You settled it?

He has a history of saying these kind of things, so I seriously doubt his apology was heartfelt.
...The problem is blaming hip-hop for what he did.

The remarks were completely, utterly, and undoubtedly racist.

Sorry if I missed something, but I was jsut reading off of your posts adn replying...

[Fobb]

Well, see, what we are doing here is going in circles, lol. I don't deny hip-hop is to blame for stuff like that, but I do think that it has no relevance to the matter. I agree with what you're saying, and adding my own sentiments.

Here's the post we settled it in.

I can settle with you too if you'd like?

EDIT: I'm not being an *** or anything, I would actually like to clear the air on the matter. Without getting heated if at all possible, lol

[master terrence]

And finally...NO ONE. EVER. Blamed hip hop for him saying wat he said. The problem that was laid against hip hop is that these artists say things SO MUCH more worse than Nappy Headed Ho, and the media is all in a up roar...why deosn't Al Sharpton yell about hip hop artists saying these things? Ya wanna know why? Because they're black. Is that fair? No. NO. NOOOOOOO.

... What makes you think Al Sharpton hasn't spoken about demeaning comments in hip-hop prior to Don Imus?

He has, and he said he didn't like rap because it was demeaning and because songs in black culture always served to uplift the spirit, and he is disappointed that musicians are content with what they see and don't strive to lift the spirit anymore.

[kenshinbebop]

EDIT: I'm not being an *** or anything, I would actually like to clear the air on the matter. Without getting heated if at all possible, lol

:lol: Yaeh, I feel the smae, I'm trying not to come off heated, but it's hard to convey emotion over the internets..

[Bernard_Monsha]

... What makes you think Al Sharpton hasn't spoken about demeaning comments in hip-hop prior to Don Imus?

He has, and he said he didn't like rap because it was demeaning and because songs in black culture always served to uplift the spirit, and he is disappointed that musicians are content with what they see and don't strive to lift the spirit anymore.

Was he doing that while he was calling a brutal rape victim a *****?

[master terrence]

Was he doing that while he was calling a brutal rape victim a *****?

yes, just after that. I don't like the guy much, he has a big mouth and makes a stink to get his way.

[Hara!]

I hate to revive this topic, but... damn...

http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.5228/title.porn-company-releases-nappy-headed-hoes

[master terrence]

It's being released by a porn company, but it's not really a porn right.

I can't believe this became an issue large enough to make a film about it :blink:

[HSaabedra]

It's being released by a porn company, but it's not really a porn right.

I can't believe this became an issue large enough to make a film about it :blink:

Kick *** Pictures=pr0n. Specifically, black wimminz and anal.

[teknoman]

You know, I came across an audio clip of Howard Stern's comments about Don Imus. check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krfLh5PJjiU

When I was listening to there comments; it seems that Howard Stern and his gang are really now happy him at all.

[Swatta]

I have mix feeling about Immus. Yet as where he is now in broadcasting prior to the incident, I really didn't see any just reason to actually apologies. It's not like it's going to impose real closure. In addition, I honestly didn't see any violation of any civil torts and quite frankly if he got fired it's not really going to affect the broadcasting industry. Nevertheless, NBC has to pay off his contract because the FCC does not fully distinct the context of his statement. Also, the duration it took to take action by the FCC shows lack of precedence therefore no one really wins. Does anyone rationally think that this man isn't going to find another job and even if he didn't he has quite a severance package.

[teknoman]

You know, I read somewhere that Imus might making a comeback. check it out

http://tv.msn.com/tv/article.aspx?news=272159

[teknoman]

I have mix feeling about Immus. Yet as where he is now in broadcasting prior to the incident, I really didn't see any just reason to actually apologies. It's not like it's going to impose real closure. In addition, I honestly didn't see any violation of any civil torts and quite frankly if he got fired it's not really going to affect the broadcasting industry. Nevertheless, NBC has to pay off his contract because the FCC does not fully distinct the context of his statement. Also, the duration it took to take action by the FCC shows lack of precedence therefore no one really wins. Does anyone rationally think that this man isn't going to find another job and even if he didn't he has quite a severance package.

Well according to the article, besides Howard Stern and his gang that is not happy him it seems that Whoopi Goldberg isn't happy with his comments as well she said "What Imus said "p---ed me off," Here's the rest of the information

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/04/10/2007-04-10_a_shocker_jocks_wont_zip_it.html

[Animematt55]

Imus didn't say anything racist at all. It seems race is being brought up when it shouldn't. Like with the supposed rape of that one girl by those Duke boys. They didnt do anything

[Jae Hoon]

Stern cant say anything, he has said things much much worse.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Well according to the article, besides Howard Stern and his gang that is not happy him it seems that Whoopi Goldberg isn't happy with his comments as well she said "What Imus said "p---ed me off," Here's the rest of the information

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/04/10/2007-04-10_a_shocker_jocks_wont_zip_it.html

Whoopi Goldberg is a butt ugly nappy headed ho trying desperately to get some camera time over this.

[teknoman]

I came across a live interview when Robin Quivers was on Larry King Live where Larry was asking her about Don Imus. check this video interview out

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2007/07/04/lkl.daily.williams.and.quivers.int.cnn?i ref=videosearch

[GreatNekoKoneko]

Whoopi Goldberg is a butt ugly nappy headed ho trying desperately to get some camera time over this.

...somehow, Monsha took the words right outta my mouth.

[kenshinbebop]

Whoopi Goldberg has no say in anything to do with life. :P

[teknoman]

I read an article about Don Imus and accoding to the article he exchange insults with Howard Stern by airing a skit taking shots at Howard's girlfriend Beth Ostrosky. check it out

http://radio.about.com/cs/latestradionews/a/aa120503a.htm

When I read the article about what happend, Howard was really mad about it.

[CrossboneGundam]

When I read the article about what happend, Howard was really mad about it.

You already established that you read an article. Or are you saying that Howard, who you're on a first name basis with, was angered by your reading of the article?

[goddessofanime]

Imus needs to go. Seriously.

And this whole thing needs to blow over. Stern's said worse and he's still on the air...

[Haro!]

If it were up to me the shock-jock radio as a whole would go. Not because of what they say but because it is pretty boring.
Give me Q104.3 any day, nothin but classic rock... yeah.

[teknoman]

I came across another audio clip where Howard Stern was listening to Don Imus made insults to Howard Stern's girlfriend Beth. check it out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQOwtajDldE

Geez, Howard was really pisst by it.

[Jae Hoon]

We get it, Stern is a hypocrite and a moron. No need to remind us every 3 posts.