YouTube Gets Serious

[J Dude]

Ok.... so after waking up this morning and I go to check my account on YouTube, but what do I see?! I see this (http://www.youtube.com/blog?entry=k0YEWkxDzEc). And just because I had a few funny clips I made from Dragonball Z and One Piece uploaded into my account, they just delete those videos? No.... they just go and delete my whole account instead. :rolleyes: That's strange considering they seemed to be ok with it before for months and just about everyone else on YouTube was doing it. All I can say is that was about as bad for me as getting kicked in the groin when I woke up to see this. All those videos I had saved under my favorites are all but gone now... Just because they had to delete my account when they very well could have just deleted my videos. Ladies and Gentlemen... it doesn't get much lamer than that I'd have to say.

[Pariah]

Well, you broke the rules. What did you expect?

The crackdown was always going to come. And with the amount of news coverage its been getting I hardly sympathise with those who are surprised that they got caught doing something they shouldn't be doing.

[J Dude]

Well, you broke the rules. What did you expect?

Just to delete the videos and at least give me some warning, but I guess that's not how it works there. It sure took them a long time if they were going to do what they did, but oh well...

The crackdown was always going to come. And with the amount of news coverage its been getting I hardly sympathise with those who are surprised that they got caught doing something they shouldn't be doing.

As much as I hate to say it, I don't really watch the news.

[Pariah]

Just to delete the videos and at least give me some warning, but I guess that's not how it works there. It sure took them a long time if they were going to do what they did, but oh well...

I guess a warning might have been appropriate. However, considering the volume of traffic that goes through Youtube every day, you can hardly blame them for wanting to do things quick, and do 'em right.

They're only now putting into practice their guidlines and regulations because of increased pressure from big licensing companies such as Fox.

[J Dude]

I guess a warning might have been appropriate. However, considering the volume of traffic that goes through Youtube every day, you can hardly blame them for wanting to do things quick, and do 'em right.

They're only now putting into practice their guidlines and regulations because of increased pressure from big licensing companies such as Fox.

Yea that's true. I guess I'll just create another account and get back all my favorites. I don't think I'll bother uploading any videos though. -_-;

[Pariah]

Yea that's true. I guess I'll just create another account and get back all my favorites. I don't think I'll bother uploading any videos though. -_-;

Ah, welcome to the world of non-contributors. Breathe, take it all in, sit back, and give nothing :D

[master terrence]

i don't agree with it, but it makes sense. get rid of the people who will potentially upload copyrighted material.

[Gibb]

I feel short clips (say under 3 minutes) of anime should be allowed, whereas the accounts of people who post entire episodes (in 10 minute chunks) should be deleted.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...lol. warnings don't work in the real world. the big boys just do what they please.

[Genocide]

Youtube is deleting whole accounts of people who upload anime? The end is nigh! How will us poor sods get our anime fixes now?

*starts downloading every single video on Youtube favourites list*

Oh well, at least there is still... veoh?

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...noobs. better start downloading via irc or torrents.

[J Dude]

...noobs. better start downloading via irc or torrents.

And I guess you think you sound cool for constantly trash talking people? I will say however though that I don't really understand why people would want to only watch anime on YouTube on some small little box when they can just easily download it and watch it at fullscreen with hopefully nice looking quality. The only justification I can give for that is hard drive space, but it's not like it's that hard to get extra space for a decent price nowadays.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

And I guess you think you sound cool for constantly trash talking people? I will say however though that I don't really understand why people would want to only watch anime on YouTube on some small little box when they can just easily download it and watch it at fullscreen with hopefully nice looking quality. The only justification I can give for that is hard drive space, but it's not like it's that hard to get extra space for a decent price nowadays.

...no, i don't wanna sound cool. its the voice of reason. people who watch anime on youtube SHOULD be shot. aside from the fact that you don't get a decent screen size to watch it on, you have to watch it in increments of 10 minute videos. what if the 2nd part of a 3-parter was corrupted? OH NOES! the humanity!

seriously. better MAN up and start DLing like good leechers do.

[Pariah]

And I guess you think you sound cool for constantly trash talking people? I will say however though that I don't really understand why people would want to only watch anime on YouTube on some small little box when they can just easily download it and watch it at fullscreen with hopefully nice looking quality. The only justification I can give for that is hard drive space, but it's not like it's that hard to get extra space for a decent price nowadays.

I don't think he was trying to sound cool, it's a pretty accurate statement. Those who watch anime on Youtube probably don't know how to use torrents, or don't know what they are.

[Suiko Eiji]

Just to delete the videos and at least give me some warning, but I guess that's not how it works there.

The massive amount of files on YouTube aside, the law sides with them completely deleting the accounts. They are legally responsible not only for the content put into their systems, but also legally responsible for the actions of their members in regards to their uploads.

Besides, isn't it, and hasn't it always been, a violation of YouTube's TOS to upload copyrighted material of which you are not the copyright holder? That's what I seem to remember talking about with a couple of friends about a year ago. Right now, YouTube is cutting material from companies threatening or pursuing legal action, yet if they serve injunctions (which these functionally are) against anyone violating this portion of the TOS then they can be held responsible to remove all pieces related to that TOS violation.

The short fix? Create a new account (unless they've completely banned your IP addy) and don't upload content you don't own.

[Pariah]

The massive amount of files on YouTube aside, the law sides with them completely deleting the accounts. They are legally responsible not only for the content put into their systems, but also legally responsible for the actions of their members in regards to their uploads.

Besides, isn't it, and hasn't it always been, a violation of YouTube's TOS to upload copyrighted material of which you are not the copyright holder? That's what I seem to remember talking about with a couple of friends about a year ago. Right now, YouTube is cutting material from companies threatening or pursuing legal action, yet if they serve injunctions (which these functionally are) against anyone violating this portion of the TOS then they can be held responsible to remove all pieces related to that TOS violation.

The short fix? Create a new account (unless they've completely banned your IP addy) and don't upload content you don't own.

/thread.....

[Genocide]

Youtube should stop acting like sissies & get tough! Either they accept the charges from companies threatening legal action against them like r34l mens, or they should do something about it.

I propose they send the Youtube shocktroopers round to the houses of all those that violate the terms of use, instead od going behind peoples' backs deleting their accounts like little girly men!

[Suiko Eiji]

Youtube should stop acting like sissies & get tough! Either they accept the charges from companies threatening legal action against them like r34l mens, or they should do something about it.

They are accepting the charges like real men - that's why they're deleting files and accounts. Perhaps it would be a little shady, if say, I had some video of me doing karaoke to the theme of Hokuto no Ken and they had deleted my profile. They're merely complying with something they don't have a legal leg to stand on.

I propose they send the Youtube shocktroopers round to the houses of all those that violate the terms of use, instead od going behind peoples' backs deleting their accounts like little girly men!

Only if they post the videos after the raids. :lol:

[Genocide]

They are accepting the charges like real men - that's why they're deleting files and accounts.

That's not a good enough excuse for Mr. Motivator!

http://www.immeyourenot.com/motivator.jpg

[Leader Desslock]

Getting serious? Hardly. Forwarding your information over to the authorities for prosecution would be serious. This is just a minimal enforcement of their own rules. And well overdue, too.

[earsofdoom]

I find it funny youtube choose's to pick on the peaple who supply them with the reason peaple hit the site, if all the copywrited material was removed from youtube the site would simply shrivel up and die.

[kenshinbebop]

Not necessaruly true...I for one barely ever watch copyrighted material. And yet I frequent Yourube daily and watch 10+ vids.

[GusGus]

I don't really understand why people would want to only watch anime on YouTube on some small little box when they can just easily download it and watch it at fullscreen with hopefully nice looking quality.
It was a good source to watch the first 5 episodes or so of one show just to see if it was download or purchase worthy.

It was also good to find old anime that can be difficult to find in torrents with still active seeds.

[HSaabedra]

It was bound to start happening sooner or later. I'll just go back to direct downloads since most videos take awhile on my connection. (Damn EvDO)

I'm just going to raid it for musicvideos from now on.

[goddessofanime]

If they were entirely serious, then how come I can still get Bleach episodes?

[Suiko Eiji]

If they were entirely serious, then how come I can still get Bleach episodes?

Who owns the Japanese rights to Bleach? I don't think it's Toei, whom I believe is one of the ones spearheading Japanese IP lawsuits against YouTube. Which was my first clue as to why Dragonball Z and ONE PIECE clips are being removed.

[Solid_Snake]

Youtube sucks anyway.

I do love the "Youtube celeberties" though. They're as dumb as a box of rocks.

[HSaabedra]

Who owns the Japanese rights to Bleach? I don't think it's Toei, whom I believe is one of the ones spearheading Japanese IP lawsuits against YouTube. Which was my first clue as to why Dragonball Z and ONE PIECE clips are being removed.

It's Studio Pierrot, TV Tokyo, and Shueisha.

[Ken-Ohki]

Hehehehe, hahahahahaha, MWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

While I can't say whether or not you deserve your account to be banned I can say it makes me happy to see at least SOME rules enforcement going on. Hehehehehe :D

[fujyoshi]

actually I have a couple of AMVs on there and mine didn't get deleted. Even this last Getsumento heiki mina video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvvl32NlqhY

[Gannon]

actually I have a couple of AMVs on there and mine didn't get deleted. Even this last Getsumento heiki mina video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvvl32NlqhY

And by any chance, would that be because they are, in fact, AMV's? ^_^

[Defiled one]

:smokin: People, People and People..chill out will ya. So what If Youtube bans anime? Do you think that will stop anything? You Tube isn`t the only one able to upload videos. There is Yahoo, among others.
Just give a quick search on the interweb and you will find something. Its their bad, I know a lot of sites that will try to take over Youtube place after this one:P
Until they realize that they have to "adapt" in order to stop piracy..
Pirates (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkmTnMZHllc), like Jack Sparrow, will always exist!!

It is futile to stop something they started..its too late now :devil:

[Ken-Ohki]

For those who are upset I have a question. Are you willing to spend say, 5 million dollars to create something that is then distributed for free? After that of course you'll have fans of your work DEMANDING more of your creation for free.

This isn't communism where everyone works for free dammit. I admit to downloading fansubs but certain shows will NEVER be available in the US like Pita Ten and Fushigiboshi no Futago Hime. If you can pay for something pay for it.

What the freak's wrong with that concept?

[master terrence]

...noobs. better start downloading via irc or torrents.

dear god no. Every other thread will ask about port forwarding and nickservs.

[Defiled one]

No..you see-_-

The internet is like a glass of water on crack! I mean cracked! You know what I mean! And if someone closes a leak "youtube" for example, another one is already leaking the same content as the other leak "youtube" that was on crack!I mean cracked!

DO! You! understand me?!O_o

[Fobb]

Only nubs get caught, lawlz

[fujyoshi]

And by any chance, would that be because they are, in fact, AMV's? ^_^

yeah but my friend uploads AMVs and they get deleted.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...but AMV's are the bane of youtube! i can't find a decent music video because the song has been used in so many AMV's - i just gave up.

[goddessofanime]

Its youtube. It was bound for them to start cracking down sooner or later. Im the first to admit to watching shows(unlicensed, except Bleach) on there; its a good tester to find out if I would like something when on DVD.

But you have to expect the fact that somethings are going to happen...like anime being taken down.

[HSaabedra]

Its youtube. It was bound for them to start cracking down sooner or later. Im the first to admit to watching shows(unlicensed, except Bleach) on there; its a good tester to find out if I would like something when on DVD.

But you have to expect the fact that somethings are going to happen...like anime being taken down.

I'm not expecting to find Bleach 121 tomorrow, so I'm just going to earmark tomorrow to download it.

For the most part I've used YouTube to download music videos and I don't expect them to take those down or stop anytime soon.

[goddessofanime]

I didn't expect to find Bleach on there in any capacity..but yet its still on there.

But...I don't think anime will be completely taken down; there will always be some people that manage to squeeze thru.

[HSaabedra]

I didn't expect to find Bleach on there in any capacity..but yet its still on there.

But...I don't think anime will be completely taken down; there will always be some people that manage to squeeze thru.

With the new software they just rolled out on the backend, give it a few months. You won't see much anime or much of any copyrighted material save for the profiles of actual copyright owners.

[Gannon]

yeah but my friend uploads AMVs and they get deleted.

That's probably because they suck, not because of legality issues.

[superplough]

They will delete AMV's too. They deleted the Abridged Series which is basically AMVs but with dialogue instead of music, in which case the AMVs are MORE copyright infringing due to the music.

[Buck]

Its youtube. It was bound for them to start cracking down sooner or later. Im the first to admit to watching shows(unlicensed, except Bleach) on there; its a good tester to find out if I would like something when on DVD.

But you have to expect the fact that somethings are going to happen...like anime being taken down.

I agree with the above, users know they shouldn't be uploading copyrighted videos on the website. Why should they (Youtube) care about warnings ?

[Caster13]

this is because of Google taking over youtube. if you have anyone to blame for the crackdown of free viewing and music on the internet, blame the likes of Puff Daddy/P Diddy/wtf, Britney Spears, and Metallica. they started the whole thing with Napster, which started everything else.

next thing you know Wikipedia is gonna be shut down because of it copying material from books for some information for its subject info.

DAMMIT I HATE CAPITALISM!!

[fujyoshi]

They will delete AMV's too. They deleted the Abridged Series which is basically AMVs but with dialogue instead of music, in which case the AMVs are MORE copyright infringing due to the music.

ok so it's NOT because the AMVs suck

[Defiled one]

Do not worry comrade Kempachi :smokin:

Let them do, what they have to do. Nowadays very little can be done to secure the black market :censored:

They did good, They did good :shifty: It is best to eliminate adversaries.

[Genocide]

DAMMIT I HATE CAPITALISM!!

Must crush Capitalism!

http://www.immeyourenot.com/redalertmap.jpg

[Suiko Eiji]

next thing you know Wikipedia is gonna be shut down because of it copying material from books for some information for its subject info.

No, Wiki cites it's sources (sometimes) and promotes an educational standpoint. YouTube is intended through the TOS as a hosting service for people to post their stuff. In other words, it's not educational but just for fun.

DAMMIT I HATE CAPITALISM!!

Yeah, how dare they go after people who stole their property! We should all be communists because we'd all own all the ****; granted, it'd all be **** but it'd be free and everyone would own it!

[HSaabedra]

I agree with the above, users know they shouldn't be uploading copyrighted videos on the website. Why should they (Youtube) care about warnings ?

Because that means that they're breaking the law if they don't?

Get some common sense.

[Hajime Saitou]

Because that means that they're breaking the law if they don't?

Get some common sense.

I read his post differently. I think he was trying to say that since the users already know that they are doing something illegal, Youtube does not need to waste time warning them before they take action.

[HSaabedra]

I read his post differently. I think he was trying to say that since the users already know that they are doing something illegal, Youtube does not need to waste time warning them before they take action.

While true, due to the constant pressure they're getting from the tv/film industries, they're pulling a stunt to make it look like they're being proactive.

[Hajime Saitou]

While true, due to the constant pressure they're getting from the tv/film industries, they're pulling a stunt to make it look like they're being proactive.

I never tried to say otherwise. I just wanted to offer a different way to look at his post.

[Caster13]

No, Wiki cites it's sources (sometimes) and promotes an educational standpoint. YouTube is intended through the TOS as a hosting service for people to post their stuff. In other words, it's not educational but just for fun.



Yeah, how dare they go after people who stole their property! We should all be communists because we'd all own all the ****; granted, it'd all be **** but it'd be free and everyone would own it!

.....capitalism goes beyond just that.

there are several problems with licensing: 1. is the editing and voice acting, which usually sucks compared to the original japanese voices, and even the subs, which often arent accurate. 2. is the the fact that an entire series takes months to completely release, and even years 3. is the sometimes very cheap episode number per dvd ($23 for three episodes my A**:$%&#!:) 4. is the price per dvd, which varies upon the licensing company and the series, the store you buy it at, or the website that you've finally found it because it is literally impossible to find

[HSaabedra]

.....capitalism goes beyond just that.
there are several problems with licensing: 1. is the editing and voice acting, which usually sucks compared to the original japanese voices, and even the subs, which often arent accurate. 2. is the the fact that an entire series takes months to completely release, and even years 3. is the sometimes very cheap episode number per dvd ($23 for three episodes my A**:$%&#!:) 4. is the price per dvd, which varies upon the licensing company and the series, the store you buy it at, or the website that you've finally found it because it is literally impossible to find

What does capitalism have to do with the business practices of a domestic licensor? Read a book once in awhile, it'll do wonders for your reasoning ability.

[Caster13]

What does capitalism have to do with the business practices of a domestic licensor? Read a book once in awhile, it'll do wonders for your reasoning ability.

um....they were separate topics of conversation. sudden, but easilly recognized. does everything need to be specifically stated in severe detail to the point where it would p*ss everyone off?

btw, id definitely rather pay for anime than live in Communist Russia, or China. i believe in Democracy and freedom, but i just dont agree with the money grubbing tactics of a lot of businesses use to screw up a good thing of ANY sort.

can the small flame war end now?

[HSaabedra]

btw, id definitely rather pay for anime than live in Communist Russia, or China. i believe in Democracy and freedom, but i just dont agree with the money grubbing tactics of a lot of businesses use to screw up a good thing of ANY sort.

Those "money-grubbing" tactics are the result of business decisions designed to maximize return on investment, in order to bring more content over and continue the cycle. The only way you have a say in the matter is by choosing whether or not to buy the finished product, otherwise individual opinion matters very little in the domestic anime industry.

[goddessofanime]

Again...it's just a risk that you take when you view things on youtube.

[sailornyanko]

...no, i don't wanna sound cool. its the voice of reason. people who watch anime on youtube SHOULD be shot. aside from the fact that you don't get a decent screen size to watch it on, you have to watch it in increments of 10 minute videos. what if the 2nd part of a 3-parter was corrupted? OH NOES! the humanity!

seriously. better MAN up and start DLing like good leechers do.

Hahaha, because in my country people bootlegged videos so damn much that we have been banned from megaupload and who knows how many other freebee DL sites. :lol:

Frankly I'd love to know if it's possible to download youtube videos into real videos. There's some AMV's I'd love to have.

[Genocide]

Frankly I'd love to know if it's possible to download youtube videos into real videos.

It is possible to download youtube videos into real videos.

[sailornyanko]

Really? Then the urban legend is true!!! I was told by obscure sources it was possible to turn them into real videos, but I wasn't told HOW.

This is only making me more curious. I wonder if the Legend of Basara videos are still there. Probably not. :(

[Genocide]

Really? Then the urban legend is true!!! I was told by obscure sources it was possible to turn them into real videos, but I wasn't told HOW.


Personally I use the Veoh Player's web browser plugin, which makes a handy little toolbar on your browser (either internet explorer or firefox) that checks for videos or music embedded in the web page & lets your download them through Veoh Player, which happens to be the only reason I even use Veoh Player.

There are probably other similar programs to, but I don't know of them.

[Defiled one]

I know a site where you put the link of the website and bam..you download the video without using any plugin like veoh :shifty:

[sailornyanko]

I know a site where you put the link of the website and bam..you download the video without using any plugin like veoh :shifty:

Care to PM it for me? Pretty please? :bow:

[Caster13]

holy crap. send me the link too!

[HSaabedra]

Add "kiss" without quotes to whatever youtube video link you want to save
(Example: http://kissyoutube.com/watch?v=Pfgcbtg7Lw8 )