Hamlet and Anime

[Amiki-chan]

ok...so I have to do this paper for English and I chose Hamlet as much subject. That's all well and good, but in this paper we don't have a topic. Problem is, it can't be something standard like how Hamlet and Laertes are similar or anything like that it has to be something "creative". I have been agonizing about this and I can't seem to think of anything....my boyfriend suggested using an anime to compare some aspect to it. Now, the anime doesn't really have to be anything like Hamlet as long as it has some kind of similarity in it, the subject is supposed to be "narrow". At the moment I'm trying to think in terms of relationships between parents and children...but it can be anything from the play. For example (this is my conversation with my bf over AIM):

abilean13: compare some anime to hamlet
DoomGIR: uh...
DoomGIR: what anime has some king killed by his brother?
DoomGIR: and then marrying his wife...
abilean13: and his nefew goes insain
DoomGIR: I could never tell if he was just messing with the people or not
DoomGIR: ok I'll keep saying random stuff and tell me if any anime comes to mind
DoomGIR: I'm going really general here
DoomGIR: because the topic is has to be "narrow"
DoomGIR: ok...a dead king's ghost talking to his son
DoomGIR: a character "pretending" to go insane (as I saw it) and having people spy on him
DoomGIR: uhm....a girl who stops dating some dude because her dad told her too o_O
DoomGIR: -o
DoomGIR: a chick going insane after her father is murdered (by her ex bf..)
DoomGIR: uhm...
DoomGIR: I dunno
DoomGIR: this blows
abilean13: ya... i am not sure
abilean13: i am not coming up with anything
DoomGIR: I have something....but I don't think it would get me much
DoomGIR: ok, after Ophelia goes insane she kills herself (by drowning)
DoomGIR: this is because her dad died
DoomGIR: so
DoomGIR: in the Utena manga, after Utena's parents die....she falls into water (I'm not sure if its a river or what) and doesn't really fight it or anything (kind of like suicide) but of course, the prince saves her so...
DoomGIR: I dunno
abilean13: not much there
DoomGIR: yeah...*sigh*

Any thoughts? (this paper is supposed to be 5 pages btw)

[Amiki-chan]

btw, does anyone know if the plot from the Lion King was borrowed from Hamlet? I just now noticed how similar they are...

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Hey, AMiki is back.

[Woooh]

In Ergo Proxy, there is a scene that depicts a famous painting of uh...whats her name...Hamlet's "girlfriend"'s death. I can't remember what episode it is in though.

[Tenou]

btw, does anyone know if the plot from the Lion King was borrowed from Hamlet? I just now noticed how similar they are...

Disney says that it is, but that was after they released 2, saying that 1 was based on Hamlet, and the sequel was based on Romeo and Juliet... I think they were late in coming, and pulled that one out of their arse last minute, though they're still patting themselves for the late save.

As for my suggestion, I'd pick something like feminism/misogyny or homosexuality. But I'm fond of gender studies and queer theory.

Oh, just though, madness and insight, you know like how fools have the sight, or they're the wise ones, like the fool in King Lier or Twelfth Night.

[goddessofanime]

In Ergo Proxy, there is a scene that depicts a famous painting of uh...whats her name...Hamlet's "girlfriend"'s death. I can't remember what episode it is in though.

It's Ophelia. The painting is by John Millais and it's Pre-Raphaelite. Can't remember the episode either

[Woooh]

It's Ophelia. The painting is by John Millais and it's Pre-Raphaelite. Can't remember the episode either

Yes, thank you.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Disney says that it is, but that was after they released 2, saying that 1 was based on Hamlet, and the sequel was based on Romeo and Juliet... I think they were late in coming, and pulled that one out of their arse last minute, though they're still patting themselves for the late save.

As for my suggestion, I'd pick something like feminism/misogyny or homosexuality. But I'm fond of gender studies and queer theory.

Oh, just though, madness and insight, you know like how fools have the sight, or they're the wise ones, like the fool in King Lier or Twelfth Night.

I thought Disney just stole it from Kimba the White Lion.

[Amiki-chan]

Disney says that it is, but that was after they released 2, saying that 1 was based on Hamlet, and the sequel was based on Romeo and Juliet... I think they were late in coming, and pulled that one out of their arse last minute, though they're still patting themselves for the late save.

As for my suggestion, I'd pick something like feminism/misogyny or homosexuality. But I'm fond of gender studies and queer theory.

Oh, just though, madness and insight, you know like how fools have the sight, or they're the wise ones, like the fool in King Lier or Twelfth Night.

Hm....I must have missed the homosexuality in Hamlet. Where is it?

[goddessofanime]

Sure

*Art History freak*

I don't know whether you're looking for something specifically related to Hamlet or what..but in FullMetal Alchemist and in Bleach, there are a couple of characters that have issues with fathers.

FMA:

The Elrics father abandoned them when they were little.


Evangelion:

Shinji's father is obsessed with his work and with Rei. Not to mention Shinji is obsessed with trying to please his father.

Bleach:

Ishida's father doesn't accept the fact that his son has decided to pursue the family 'business'.

[goddessofanime]

Hm....I must have missed the homosexuality in Hamlet. Where is it?


It's been ages since I've read the play. I don't remember homosexual overtones to it either.

Maybe Yorrick?

[Amiki-chan]

Sure

*Art History freak*

I don't know whether you're looking for something specifically related to Hamlet or what..but in FullMetal Alchemist and in Bleach, there are a couple of characters that have issues with fathers.

FMA:

The Elrics father abandoned them when they were little.


Evangelion:

Shinji's father is obsessed with his work and with Rei. Not to mention Shinji is obsessed with trying to please his father.

Bleach:

Ishida's father doesn't accept the fact that his son has decided to pursue the family 'business'.

Well...Hamlet doesn't have a problem with his father (because he's dead) but his uncle (who killed him and is now King....and calls himself Hamlet's father). But, I can't think of a whole lot of things with Uncles involved really...

[Ken-Ohki]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SBmEfeWFNs

[Levon]

Instead of Hamlet you should have choose The Count of Monte Cristo;) Or Romeo and Juliet:P

[Ken-Ohki]

Try not to be too specific. There are plenty of "Father/parent is betrayed, kid goes for revenge" stories out there and I'm sure anime's got em. I'm not thinking clearly at the moment so I doubt I'll be of any help but I'm sure it'll be fine if you don't try and be overly specific.

[Levon]

Orguss 02 has something similar. Although its not the focus but the King's brother & Queen kill the King. Although theres no revenge. Mobile Suit Gundam has the revenge part, where the leader of the Zeon is betrayed & killed by the Zabi family & Char Aznable kills them for revenge.

[Tenou]

Hm....I must have missed the homosexuality in Hamlet. Where is it?
It's certainly not blatant, you won't find homosexuality in Hamlet like you would in Othello or Merchant of Venice. But if you look at Hamlet's reactions to Ophelia, his misogyny, his relationship with Horatio, and a mention that his father excites him, the argument can be made (as valid as Hamlet's desire for his mother) that there is a homosexual overtone, or at least confused about his sexuality.
As with most studies, you tend to find evidence for what you're looking for. That's what makes Queer Theory so interesting, a whole new way of looking at old things.

[master terrence]

Lion king and hamlet are pretty close... but not character for character though. I think some of it is coincidence. There was a kid in my class who assigned every character in the lion king to someone in the play :rolleyes:

[superplough]

Bandit Keith: "Alas poor Yorick, I knew him.. In America!!!"

[Amiki-chan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SBmEfeWFNs

wow...that was definitely special, haha.

[Amiki-chan]

Instead of Hamlet you should have choose The Count of Monte Cristo;) Or Romeo and Juliet:P

Haha, well, I'm rather limited because we can only write a paper one of the stories we've read this semester.

[Amiki-chan]

Try not to be too specific. There are plenty of "Father/parent is betrayed, kid goes for revenge" stories out there and I'm sure anime's got em. I'm not thinking clearly at the moment so I doubt I'll be of any help but I'm sure it'll be fine if you don't try and be overly specific.

yeah...I know there probably are but I can't think of any for the life of me. That's probably why I will end up doing the Lion King because that's the only think I thought of...hehe.

[Amiki-chan]

It's certainly not blatant, you won't find homosexuality in Hamlet like you would in Othello or Merchant of Venice. But if you look at Hamlet's reactions to Ophelia, his misogyny, his relationship with Horatio, and a mention that his father excites him, the argument can be made (as valid as Hamlet's desire for his mother) that there is a homosexual overtone, or at least confused about his sexuality.
As with most studies, you tend to find evidence for what you're looking for. That's what makes Queer Theory so interesting, a whole new way of looking at old things.

Ahh, I see, however, that sounds much to deep for this particular paper -_-; But thanks!

[Amiki-chan]

Orguss 02 has something similar. Although its not the focus but the King's brother & Queen kill the King. Although theres no revenge. Mobile Suit Gundam has the revenge part, where the leader of the Zeon is betrayed & killed by the Zabi family & Char Aznable kills them for revenge.

Unfortunately I've never seen either of those....and seeing as this is due in two weeks I don't think I would be able to watch them. But, thanks for your suggestions anyway.

[Amiki-chan]

Lion king and hamlet are pretty close... but not character for character though. I think some of it is coincidence. There was a kid in my class who assigned every character in the lion king to someone in the play :rolleyes:

Haha, of course, I'm not trying to make it like "this is exactly the same story!" because it's not. I just thought it was fitting for the kind of paper I'm doing. It really doesn't make since to assign every character in the Lion King to someone in Hamlet....especially since Simba doesn't kill anyone other than scar...and Nala doesn't go insane...etc etc

[Amiki-chan]

^Actually...he doesn't kill scar does he? The hyenas do...eh, whatever.

[Ikari Warrior]

*thinking of ways to compare Hamlet to Berserk...though that'd definitely work for MacBeth :lol:*

[Amiki-chan]

*thinking of ways to compare Hamlet to Berserk...though that'd definitely work for MacBeth :lol:*

Man do I love Berserk. You're right though....it wouldn't really work for Hamlet. =/