Metalheads!

[Woooh]

Any metal heads in this forum? See if we can't get some discussion started about some metal. Likes? dislikes? comments/questions? Or just drop by for a simple \m/.

[Reidar]

"Metalhead" is a paradoxical term, for the very concept that "metal" signifies is ruthless decapitation.

Quo Vadis, Vital Remains, Bloodbath, Nile, Deicide, and Panzerchrist. The vocals must be deep, the instrumentals must be frantic, and the blood must be boiling.

[HSaabedra]

Metal enthusiast and music collector. Taste ranges from Sabbath to The Locust to Agoraphobic Nosebleed and everything inbetween except nu metal.

[VidelCoolGirl]

All my best friends are metalheads.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

two. minutes. to midnight.

AN hates capital letters.

[Suki]

Anything from Black Metal, Swedish prog/melodic, plain prog, to Death Metal.

[Daishikaze]

Traditional Metal
NWOBHM
Power Metal
A bit of Progressive metal
Even some "Glam" Metal

[tenshi_a]

1960s-1970s metal is my preference, though later imitations will do fine. I spent about 3 hours just listening to 2 1/2 different versions of the Rainbow song "Stargazer" yesterday...

[Mazinkaiser]

Though my taste in artists is a bit limited, I listen to a lot of metal, (Though I tend to stay away from death metal).

[Woooh]

I also tend to stay away from most death metal, but there are a few i like. All about power metal. Any Blind Guardian fans?

[Daishikaze]

Any Blind Guardian fans?

Right here. My Wife and I met because of BG.

[kenshinbebop]

Call me a *****, but I can't get any heavier than maybe Sabbath. I'm not a metal kind of guy...all the shredding and the groaning and the screaming...it doesn't interest me as much as say, the melodic harmonies of John Lennon and Paul McCartney. :lol:

I occasionally like Dragonforce, Metallica, Dream Theater, or Megadeth, in small doses. Very rarely though.

But to each their own of course...

BTW, can someone please tell me the differences between these "metals?"
Speed, thrash, death, black, glam, power, viking, symphonic....how many subgenres do you need?????

[Daishikaze]

# Black Metal

Black metal finds its roots in bands such as Venom and Bathory, and is often characterized by an inherently evil tone and a raspy vocal style (Quorthon of Bathory may or may not be the originator of this vocal style, but once you've heard him, many black metal vocalists will sound very similar to him, for what that's worth). The earlier bands focused on minimal instrumentation, as represented by Darkthrone, early Mayhem, and older Immortal, while another group of bands explored a more symphonic, keyboard-driven style (Emperor, Cradle Of Filth, Dimmu Borgir) and still others have migrated towards an eclectic, avant-garde direction (Arcturus, new Mayhem). Norway continues to be the primary exporter of black metal bands, though other countries have contributed some quality bands as well.

# Death Metal

One of the more extreme forms of metal, death metal is basically an offshoot of thrash, with less melodic riffs and a low, growly, often almost unintelligible vocal style that at its best (or worst, depending on one's point of view) has been described as "cookie monster vocals". The early nineties saw the initial rise of death metal in places such as Florida ( Death, Morbid Angel, Deicide, Obituary, and others) and Sweden ( At The Gates, Entombed, and others), and remains a dominant form of extreme metal to this day.

# Power Metal

Once upon a time the term "power metal" was interchangeable with plain old heavy metal, with perhaps an emphasis on heavier riffing. In recent times, though, the term is most often used to describe the decidedly European style of metal, a style dominated by double-bass drumming, anthemic choruses, and speedy riffing. One originator of this style would have to be Helloween, whose early works such as Walls Of Jericho and Keeper Of The Seven Keys proved to be blueprints for the style. Another band worth mentioning is Hammerfall, as they are often regarded as the band most responsible for the revival of the genre in 1997 when they debuted with Glory To The Brave.



* Thrash

Thrash metal is generally characterized by a fast pace, a staccato, chunky guitar riffing style, and aggressive vocals. Metallica's Kill 'Em All, released in 1983, is arguably the first true thrash album, with healthy thrash scenes sprouting in the USA (particularly the San Francisco area), Germany, and elsewhere by the late eighties. By the early nineties the genre was a bit oversaturated, and in later years fewer bands played the style, but it's still a viable style today, with veteran bands such as Overkill, Testament, and Destruction, among others, still producing quality thrash albums. Amusingly, thrash is often misspelled as "trash" by European writers.

* Viking Metal

Musically, several bands in the Viking genre sound like black metal bands on the surface, but the lyrical subject is different, and moreover there is usually more of a rousing, anthemic chorus element not found in black metal. Traditional Norse melodies often find their way into Viking metal songs, which can at times relate this genre to folk metal.

Glam - think Old Motley Crue

Symphonic - basically its metal with more classical influences

[Genocide]

All my best friends are metalheads.

You am teh winner.

[Crusader986]

I don't care for metal that much. The only metal bands that I really like are Tool and the Melvins.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Traditional Metal
NWOBHM
Power Metal
A bit of Progressive metal
Even some "Glam" Metal

You left out Speed and Industrial.

Woe betide all the posers who left out Lemmy and Motörhead.

[Suki]

You know what is one of my pet peeves? People who put DragonForce of their Mp3 player just to make them look like they listen to "Metal."

But really, DragonForce sucks, and shouldn't be considered "Metal."

[Mr March]

I'm definitely not a metalhead, but as a music lover I typically like something from almost every genre (yes, even a little country...though a VERY little).

I like a lot of the Led Zeppelin stuff, especially Four Symbols, some Metallica, some Ministry, some Rammstein, the early stuff that was considered metal by The Tea Party and nearly everything by Rage Against The Machine.

[Daishikaze]

You left out Speed and Industrial.

Woe betide all the posers who left out Lemmy and Motörhead.

Oh, are those 2 genres mandatory now? so sorry

[kenshinbebop]

Dragonforce is good. I don't know pretty much anything about metal, so I wouldn't know if they're "metal", but they are pretty good...on the CD at least. Can't say the smae for live...


Also, I don't get how Led Zeppelin can be classified as Metal. If Dragonforce is in "metal", than LZ is in NO WAY "metal." They may have inovated darker sounding tunes with more distortion or speed, but they're not metal...

[Bernard_Monsha]

Oh, are those 2 genres mandatory now? so sorry

Speed metal is the oldest sub division, Industrial has great groups like Godflesh (imagine if Skinny Puppy and Morbid Angel had a love child). Motörhead should always be in any metal discussion just as **** rock bands like Poison and Winger should be excluded.

[Daishikaze]

Who excluded Motorhead anyways? no one as far as I can see. Calm down

[Woooh]

You know what is one of my pet peeves? People who put DragonForce of their Mp3 player just to make them look like they listen to "Metal."

But really, DragonForce sucks, and shouldn't be considered "Metal."

Herman Li has more talent in his right pinky than you have in your entire body. :P But seriously, how can you just say they suck, they have 2 unbelievable guitarists, a great singer, and they put on one of the greatest live shows ever. You can't just say they suck. I'm not gonna say they are the best band ever, but they are definitely good enough to keep the tag "metal".

[HSaabedra]

Herman Li has more talent in his right pinky than you have in your entire body. :P But seriously, how can you just say they suck, they have 2 unbelievable guitarists, a great singer, and they put on one of the greatest live shows ever. You can't just say they suck. I'm not gonna say they are the best band ever, but they are definitely good enough to keep the tag "metal".

Speaking from the perspective of a musician, a lot of pro guitar players frown upon Dragonforce because their techniques are not technically grounded or realistic. String pulling and body hammering is a sign of poor talent.

[Woooh]

Speaking from the perspective of a musician, a lot of pro guitar players frown upon Dragonforce because their techniques are not technically grounded or realistic. String pulling and body hammering is a sign of poor talent.

I disagree. I would say talent of a band is measured by how good the sound they are able to produce is. Also, Herman Li does much more than just string pulling and hammering, they just like to have fun on stage...and make their stuff fun to listen to.

[HSaabedra]

Speed metal is the oldest sub division, Industrial has great groups like Godflesh (imagine if Skinny Puppy and Morbid Angel had a love child). Motörhead should always be in any metal discussion just as **** rock bands like Poison and Winger should be excluded.

Godflesh has more in common with Sunn O))), Earth, Khanate, and Ministry than Morbid Angel (The lead singer of Godflesh, Justin Broadrick has a new group called Jesu). You also left out Carcass, Napalm Death, Cannibal Corpse, Sepultura, Death, Terrorizer, Unsane, Dillinger Escape Plan, Testament, Meshuggah, Isis, Brujeria, and many others.

[Mr March]

Also, I don't get how Led Zeppelin can be classified as Metal. If Dragonforce is in "metal", than LZ is in NO WAY "metal." They may have inovated darker sounding tunes with more distortion or speed, but they're not metal...

Rock fans call Zeppelin Rock, Metal fans call them Metal, most everyone else acknowledges them as birthing the metal genre. Comparing the relative "heaviness" of early metal with that of today's is really no method for defining metal in my opinion, but your mileage may vary.

[HSaabedra]

I disagree. I would say talent of a band is measured by how good the sound they are able to produce is. Also, Herman Li does much more than just string pulling and hammering, they just like to have fun on stage...and make their stuff fun to listen to.

No he doesn't. There's a reason they're accused of multitracking and overdubbing.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Godflesh has more in common with Sunn O))), Earth, Khanate, and Ministry than Morbid Angel (The lead singer of Godflesh, Justin Broadrick has a new group called Jesu). You also left out Carcass, Napalm Death, Cannibal Corpse, Sepultura, Death, Terrorizer, Unsane, Dillinger Escape Plan, Testament, Meshuggah, Isis, Brujeria, and many others.


Bolt Thrower, Udo Dirkschneider, Entombed, Brutality, Decapitated....


Metal bands has such fun names.

Cannibal Corpse has my favorite song titles of all time like Post Mortal Ejaculation and a few others I think would be *'d out.

[Suki]

Herman Li has more talent in his right pinky than you have in your entire body. :P But seriously, how can you just say they suck, they have 2 unbelievable guitarists, a great singer, and they put on one of the greatest live shows ever. You can't just say they suck. I'm not gonna say they are the best band ever, but they are definitely good enough to keep the tag "metal".

Herman Li cheats, he goes back in and edits in separate parts into his solo which isn't even possible. Joe Satriani, or John Pettrucci can't even do that.
Even if Sam Totman is duel soloing with Hermai Li, it doesn't work out. Also, I can't stand their singer, his voice is absolutely annoying, and his singing style doesn't have variation. I don't want to listen to, "Through the fire and flames," 12 or 14 times in a row.

[Woooh]

Herman Li cheats, he goes back in and edits in separate parts into his solo which isn't even possible. Joe Satriani, or John Pettrucci can't even do that.
Even if Sam Totman is duel soloing with Hermai Li, it doesn't work out. Also, I can't stand their singer, his voice is absolutely annoying, and his singing style doesn't have variation. I don't want to listen to, "Through the fire and flames," 12 or 14 times in a row.

Who listens to a song 12 or 14 times in a row? And when did i ever compare Herman Li to Satriana or Pettrucci...those 2 are guitar gods, hardly anyone matches up well against them. As for Li and Totman, they are pretty damn good at playing what they have recorded on the album, not to mention that they get massively drunk on stage. As for ZP, it's power metal, very few power metal singers leave that high pitch comfort zone that they tend to sing in. Think of Tobias Sammet of Edguy or Michael Kiske of Helloween, both of them have a similar style to ZP and they are thought of as 2 of the greatest power metal singers of all time.

EDIT: I misinterpreted the listening to through the fire and flames 12-14 times in a row. Yeah, Dragonforce's songs all sound similar... but that has nothing to do with Herman Li's talent at all.

[RyoTD]

I generally listen to Progressive (Dream Theater), Power (Angra, Rhapsody of Fire), Industrial (Rammstein, Pain) and some Trash (Megadeth), with other genres and bands taking the spotlight from time to time.

As far as favorite musicians go, I'm currenty worshipping Mike Portnoy, DT's drummer. What can I say, he's probably the best metal dummer I've ever heard, and I love the songs he's written for DT.

On the topic of DragonForce... I don't really think that they're horrible, but they're far from the metal gods some people like to view them as. I like a couple of their songs, but I agree with whoever is saying that they sound pretty much the same.

[Woooh]

On the topic of DragonForce... I don't really think that they're horrible, but they're far from the metal gods some people like to view them as. I like a couple of their songs, but I agree with whoever is saying that they sound pretty much the same.

With this, I agree full heartedly.

[Evolution]

I, also, am a fan of Prog/Power (DT, Evergrey, Symphony X, Angra, Blind Guardian, Sonata Arctica, Into Eternity, Pain of Salvation, Morgana Lefay, etc.) and some other non-progressive stuff like Novembre, Isis, and Berzerker too.

I can't ****ing wait for the new Dream Theater album. Octavarium seemed kind of hit or miss among most DT fans I know, but I loved it. Hope the next one is as good as Octa was.

[Suki]

Who listens to a song 12 or 14 times in a row? And when did i ever compare Herman Li to Satriana or Pettrucci...those 2 are guitar gods, hardly anyone matches up well against them. As for Li and Totman, they are pretty damn good at playing what they have recorded on the album, not to mention that they get massively drunk on stage. As for ZP, it's power metal, very few power metal singers leave that high pitch comfort zone that they tend to sing in. Think of Tobias Sammet of Edguy or Michael Kiske of Helloween, both of them have a similar style to ZP and they are thought of as 2 of the greatest power metal singers of all time.

EDIT: I misinterpreted the listening to through the fire and flames 12-14 times in a row. Yeah, Dragonforce's songs all sound similar... but that has nothing to do with Herman Li's talent at all.

You never compared Herman Li to those two, I was just listing examples of good guitar players. I like Helloween, their songs actually sound different.

If you can't represent what you can do in the studio live, then why even listen to them?

[Woooh]

If you can't represent what you can do in the studio live, then why even listen to them?

Like I said, their live show is spectacular, much better than just listening to them on a daily basis. Their dual guitar solos are VERY accurate and ZP tends to do some interesting things as well.

[Lord Dagoth]

Favorite metal bands: Sonata Arctica, Dimmu Borgir, Blind Guardian

[Woooh]

Favorite metal bands: Sonata Arctica, Dimmu Borgir, Blind Guardian

Very nice...you would probably like Falconer. They are a power metal band with a strangely low voiced singer. Check out their self titled album, Chapters from a Vale Forlorn, or Northwind. Their other 2 albums are by different singers.

[Suki]

Very nice...you would probably like Falconer. They are a power metal band with a strangely low voiced singer. Check out their self titled album, Chapters from a Vale Forlorn, or Northwind. Their other 2 albums are by different singers.

Holy crap. You've heard of them? Wow.

Falconer is a Swedish power/prog metal band. I liked Falconer and Northwind best. And their singer used to be an opera singer.

[Samurai Drifter]

I also tend to stay away from most death metal, but there are a few i like. All about power metal. Any Blind Guardian fans?
Yes. Blind Guardian = \m/

They're about equal with Dragonforce, who are \m/ also.

If you can't represent what you can do in the studio live, then why even listen to them?
Uh... there's a Dragonforce concert in my city this month, if you're saying that they don't do live shows.

[RyoTD]

Uh... there's a Dragonforce concert in my city this month, if you're saying that they don't do live shows.
Many of my musician friends are of the opinion that they're not very skilled guitar players, and that they have to record their songs over and over again until it "clicks" and they don't do any (major) mistakes. Therefore they are very sceptical as to how good they are live. I think this is what Suki was referring to. I don't have enough experience in the matter to be the judge, though my experience DO tell me that I can usually trust them in matters like that.

One of them (who is a good guitar player as well as gifted in the area of musical theory) also commented that "they can play fast, but they have no idea what they're playing" after watching one of their instructional videos on YouTube.

[Samurai Drifter]

Well, I plan on going to it, and if it sucks I'll let you know. ;)

[Woooh]

Well, I plan on going to it, and if it sucks I'll let you know. ;)

Don't worry, I've seen them live multiple times and all though they are not flawless, they put on one of the best live shows I've seen.

[Woooh]

Holy crap. You've heard of them? Wow.

Falconer is a Swedish power/prog metal band. I liked Falconer and Northwind best. And their singer used to be an opera singer.

Falconer is amazing. Was he an opera singer? For some reason I was in the mindset that he was a theater singer. I actually like the album Falconer more than Northwind but the styles are a bit different. As for me knowing them, they are by far, my favorite band.

[Suki]

Yes. Blind Guardian = \m/

They're about equal with Dragonforce, who are \m/ also.


Uh... there's a Dragonforce concert in my city this month, if you're saying that they don't do live shows.

You fail to understand my post.

[Demon_Eva01]

I love Death, Black, Blackened Death, Blackened Thrash, Thrash, Viking, Folk, Prog, Power primarily most Metal (Nu Metal doesn't count) and even some Metalcore once in a while. My favorite bands at the moment are Dimmu Borgir, Kataklsym, Into Eternity, Opeth, Ensiferum, Destroyer 666, Nile, Kreator, Finntroll, Dark Tranquility, Dark Funeral, Hypocrisy, Necrophagist, Nevermore and more but those are on the top of my list, also DragonForce is a disgrace to Metal, they are cheating sell outs who trick 15 year olds into thinking what they play is good metal.

[Lord Dagoth]

people trying to take dragonforce seriously= lulz

[MonkeyBoy0314]

My tastes revolve around classic rock, and certain types of metal are included in that genre. I usually like thrash metal, hair metal, and power metal.

I'm actually gonna go see Sonata Arctica in October, HELL YEAH! :ssj:

[blackknight]

Rock fans call Zeppelin Rock, Metal fans call them Metal, most everyone else acknowledges them as birthing the metal genre. Comparing the relative "heaviness" of early metal with that of today's is really no method for defining metal in my opinion, but your mileage may vary.

Really? I'm a Rock fan and a Metal fan, and I call Led Zeppelin utter crap. There is not one song by them that I can stand to listen to, which sucks, since they're probably the most over-played band on Classic Rock stations.

Ah well. That's what the Saturday Night Slaughterhouse, on 105.7 FM in New Jersey, and the House of Hair, syndicated around the country, are for. For all headbangers to raise their fists high and rock out to the true glory of Metal. Remember folks, if it ain't Metal...IT'S CRAP!!!

My favorite Metal bands include Manowar (absolute favorite), Metallica, Pantera, Judas Priest, Hammerfall, Twisted Sister, Rob Zombie, Type O Negative, Godsmack, Disturbed, AC/DC, Blue Öyster Cult, the list goes on. The one form I can't stand is Death Metal, because I prefer that artists are actually intelligible when singing. I don't need to understand the language, in the case of some of the non-English bands I listen to, but the lyrics need to be clear, not random growls, screams, and hisses. If I want that I'll go to the zoo.

My current favorite song is 'Defender' by Manowar.

[Woooh]

Haha, Manowar ftw. I love Manowar...now if only people could understand that DragonForce is also a parody band.

[Lord Dagoth]

I'm actually gonna go see Sonata Arctica in October, HELL YEAH! :ssj:


The one in Atlanta? I might be going to that (hopefully)

[Ikari Warrior]

I'm borderline rock/metal. I like Rob Zombie (and the slower songs of White Zombie), Metallica, Godsmack, and a few others.

I like Avenged Sevenfold, but only their City of Evil album. Before y'all hate on me for being a poser, bear in mind, I don't like the screaming vocals of Metal, which has turned me away from the vast majority of hardcore bands. I like Metallica's music (yes, even the old stuff) because I can understand the lyrics.

[kenshinbebop]

Really? I'm a Rock fan and a Metal fan, and I call Led Zeppelin utter crap. There is not one song by them that I can stand to listen to, which sucks, since they're probably the most over-played band on Classic Rock stations.




Congrats on being the first person I've ever heard say that. :naughty:

[Suki]

I'm borderline rock/metal. I like Rob Zombie (and the slower songs of White Zombie), Metallica, Godsmack, and a few others.

I like Avenged Sevenfold, but only their City of Evil album. Before y'all hate on me for being a poser, bear in mind, I don't like the screaming vocals of Metal, which has turned me away from the vast majority of hardcore bands. I like Metallica's music (yes, even the old stuff) because I can understand the lyrics.

God, I cannot stand Hardcore. Either you scream or sing, stick with one. Same with you Nu-Metal.

[HSaabedra]

God, I cannot stand Hardcore. Either you scream or sing, stick with one. Same with you Nu-Metal.

How do you feel about bands like Minor Threat, Black Flag, Suicidal Tendencies, Fugazi, Dead Kennedys, S.O.D/M.O.D, etc. ?

Axl also HAET Nu-Metal

[Suki]

How do you feel about bands like Minor Threat, Black Flag, Suicidal Tendencies, Fugazi, Dead Kennedys, S.O.D/M.O.D, etc. ?

Axl also HAET Nu-Metal

Fugazi, and Black Flag I sort of like, but all those other bands gets on my nerves.

[kenshinbebop]

Minor Threat is more punk.
As is Dead Kennedies.

And they're both good.

[Samurai Drifter]

You fail to understand my post.
Then please, explain.

Really? I'm a Rock fan and a Metal fan, and I call Led Zeppelin utter crap. There is not one song by them that I can stand to listen to, which sucks, since they're probably the most over-played band on Classic Rock stations.
... :O Blashpemy.

[Suki]

Then please, explain.


... :O Blashpemy.

If you can't represent what you can do in the studio live, then why even listen to them?
There .

[Crusader986]

Congrats on being the first person I've ever heard say that. :naughty:

I can't stand Led Zeppelin either.

[MonkeyBoy0314]

Speaking from the perspective of a musician, a lot of pro guitar players frown upon Dragonforce because their techniques are not technically grounded or realistic. String pulling and body hammering is a sign of poor talent.

So they're sloppy beyond anything, they're a fun band! That's what everybody likes about them

[MonkeyBoy0314]

The one in Atlanta? I might be going to that (hopefully)

Philadelphia, actually. A friend promised me that someday we'd both go see Sonata together, but since we're both gonna be in College in different states, he bought a ticket for the Poughkeepsie, NY (sp?) show, and one for me (birthday present) for the Philly show 4 days later

[Kaiga]

Metal Head? I think you can decide for yourself if I'm a metalhead or not:
THEROM (www.pahardcore.com/members/KriptosticTherom)

[Woooh]

I don't really like Led Zeppelin myself as well, but you can't really deny their greatness.

[Lord Dagoth]

Sonata Arctica fans might be able to find a certain new CD on certain P2P sites hint hint. I'm acquiring mine now. So excited

[blackknight]

I don't really like Led Zeppelin myself as well, but you can't really deny their greatness.

I can deny it all I want. It doesn't mean jack, but I can still deny it.

Honestly, I really don't see what the fuss is about. No part of their music is inspiring. The vocals are crap, the instruments are so-so, and the lyrics are a bore. How 'Stairway to Heaven' manages to top every "Best Rock Songs of All Time" list is beyond me. They really don't give the impression that they put their hearts and souls into the music they created.

You cannot honestly say that Led Zeppelin's music is better than that of Queen. True Queen, of course. With Freddie Mercury, not Paul Rodgers.

[Lord Dagoth]

haet paul rodgers

[kenshinbebop]

...Honestly, I really don't see what the fuss is about. No part of their music is inspiring. The vocals are crap, the instruments are so-so...

I lol'd. :lol:

[Woooh]

I can deny it all I want. It doesn't mean jack, but I can still deny it.

Honestly, I really don't see what the fuss is about. No part of their music is inspiring. The vocals are crap, the instruments are so-so, and the lyrics are a bore. How 'Stairway to Heaven' manages to top every "Best Rock Songs of All Time" list is beyond me. They really don't give the impression that they put their hearts and souls into the music they created.

You cannot honestly say that Led Zeppelin's music is better than that of Queen. True Queen, of course. With Freddie Mercury, not Paul Rodgers.

I agree but they did really push forward the movement of the hard rock scene. I don't understand why Stairway to Heaven manages to hit the all times lists either, makes no sense.

[kenshinbebop]

It is a good song, they are a good band, but I do agree that stairway is severely overplayed and over rated. Jimmy Page himself has grown to dislike the song. Its the first song guitar noobs learn and then blast it at volume 11 at Guitar Center. But it's a song everyone knows, and therefore, they get recognition as a "good" guitarist.

But in all honesty, I could think of a bunch of songs that could take it's place on the greatest songs list...however, it does ahve a pretty kick *** solo.

[Caster13]

i am PURELY classic rock/metal. Black Sabbath, some Zeppelin, Jimi Hendrix, old school Metallica, older Megadeth...:devil: i have to look up on more Motorhead though, and id look up on a lot of other bands, but with a filled up credit card, iTunes isnt exactly gonna work right now-_-; i also like a lot of other stuff. Rush's 2112 Overture is awesome.

as for guitarists, one of my favs is Cliff Burton, the first bassist for metallica. i dont care if he played bass, he could play the same stuff as other metal guitarists. FINGERS SHOULD NOT MOVE THAT FAST! if you listen to some of their songs, the guitar solos sometimes are NOT regular guitars, theyre bass.

Jimmy Page is also another great, as is Tony Iommi. dammit the guy had part of two of his fingers sliced off and still plays awesome. and Jimmy Page mastered a twelve string and plays it the right way, which VERY few people can do.

and this is my pure opinion: music was good throughout the 70s and some of the 80s, cause as soon as the 90s hit, rock pretty much died. MTV is also to blame. if terrorists are to attack America again, i hope that they attack MTV cause of the trashy sh*t thats on there, since they hate "our immoralities". that would give true rock a good chance of comming back.

[blackknight]

haet paul rodgers

Paul Rodgers is good in Bad Company, but he doesn't fit Queen. Perhaps Freddie's shoes are just too big for anyone to fill.

It is a good song,

Perhaps, but not a great one.

they are a good band,

Highly debatable.

but I do agree that stairway is severely overplayed and over rated. Jimmy Page himself has grown to dislike the song.

I will say that I respect him for putting up a fair amount of cash for a charity when a radio station said that if they broke X amount of dollars they would remove Stairway to Heaven from the rotation. His words: "It's a good song, but I've heard it before."

Its the first song guitar noobs learn

That in and of itself should raise warning flags. If noobs can learn it it must not be that impressive. No unique demonstations of guitar playing, not complicated in the least, and generally boring.

So, to sum up from those two posts, I don't hate Paul Rodgers. I absolutely despise Led Zeppelin. Just about every other band from that era is superior to them.

Hell, Queen holds the record for most time spent on the top 10 with their singles, while the Beatles hold the record for most singles on the top 10. Where does Led Zeppelin stand? A bunch of overplayed songs which even the creator doesn't like.

[kenshinbebop]

a bunch of random crap

Okay, you totally misinterperated my post, but whatever...

[Crusader986]

It is a good song, they are a good band, but I do agree that stairway is severely overplayed and over rated. Jimmy Page himself has grown to dislike the song. Its the first song guitar noobs learn and then blast it at volume 11 at Guitar Center. But it's a song everyone knows, and therefore, they get recognition as a "good" guitarist.

But in all honesty, I could think of a bunch of songs that could take it's place on the greatest songs list...however, it does ahve a pretty kick *** solo.

The first song I learned to play on guitar was I wanna be your dog by the Stooges. I have no desire to learn how to play Stairway to heaven or any other Led Zeppelin song.

[Suki]

Paul Rodgers is good in Bad Company,

CUZ IM! BAAAAD COMPANYYY TILL DA DAI I DAIII


God I love that song.

[ablo]

I also tend to stay away from most death metal, but there are a few i like. All about power metal. Any Blind Guardian fans?

I'm listening Blind Guardian right now.:)

[fosil fox]

i like metal alot my favoite bands are powerman 5000,disturbed and dragon force.

[RPGQueen]

metal's great!
Iron Man lives again!

[blackknight]

Okay, you totally misinterperated my post, but whatever...

Okay, I just went through all of my posts on this thread and could not find that line which you attribute to me.

Ah well, to get away from my hatred of Led Zeppelin, who do you all think is the best screamer in Metal? I'm leaning toward Rob Halford of Judas Priest.

[kenshinbebop]

Perhaps, but not a great one.


Highly debatable.


I will say that I respect him for putting up a fair amount of cash for a charity when a radio station said that if they broke X amount of dollars they would remove Stairway to Heaven from the rotation. His words: "It's a good song, but I've heard it before."

That in and of itself should raise warning flags. If noobs can learn it it must not be that impressive. No unique demonstations of guitar playing, not complicated in the least, and generally boring.

So, to sum up from those two posts, I don't hate Paul Rodgers. I absolutely despise Led Zeppelin. Just about every other band from that era is superior to them.

1. I already stated it wasn't an excellent song, but it IS a good one.
2. Any band has debatable greatness, diehard fans will love them, haters will always hate them. No one cna change anyone's opinion.
3.-nothing to say about paragraph 3-
4. I never said it was an easy song. I jsut said it was a recognizable song that many gutiarists try to learn when they start, because it IS a good song...to truly master the techniques and paly it the way Page played it is quite challenging.

That's how you mis understood my post...jsut wnated to sum it up for you, but I'm through with the subject to be honest, I know I can't hcange your opinions as you cna't change mine, so all these posts are jsut a waste of space...

[Suki]

1. I already stated it wasn't an excellent song, but it IS a good one.
2. Any band has debatable greatness, diehard fans will love them, haters will always hate them. No one cna change anyone's opinion.
3.-nothing to say about paragraph 3-
4. I never said it was an easy song. I jsut said it was a recognizable song that many gutiarists try to learn when they start, because it IS a good song...to truly master the techniques and paly it the way Page played it is quite challenging.

That's how you mis understood my post...jsut wnated to sum it up for you, but I'm through with the subject to be honest, I know I can't hcange your opinions as you cna't change mine, so all these posts are jsut a waste of space...

Are you drunk?

[blackknight]

1. I already stated it wasn't an excellent song, but it IS a good one.
2. Any band has debatable greatness, diehard fans will love them, haters will always hate them. No one cna change anyone's opinion.
3.-nothing to say about paragraph 3-
4. I never said it was an easy song. I jsut said it was a recognizable song that many gutiarists try to learn when they start, because it IS a good song...to truly master the techniques and paly it the way Page played it is quite challenging.

That's how you mis understood my post...jsut wnated to sum it up for you, but I'm through with the subject to be honest, I know I can't hcange your opinions as you cna't change mine, so all these posts are jsut a waste of space...

You quote me, however, as specifically saying "a bunch of random crap". I never said that, so please do not put words in my mouth, as it were. If you are implying that the points I made are a bunch of random crap, then I say this: I put thought into everything I post on these forums, as I do on every online forum I belong to. I don't spout the first nonsense that pops into my head, unless I am doing so on purpose in order to be silly. I was also addressing the points you had made, so they were not random. Perhaps I misunderstood your intent, but that is a constant danger in the impersonal world of the internet. I am not standing in front of you, listening to your inflections, reading your body language, so I can only take your words as I interpret them.

Anywho, on a side note, currently listening to the Saturday Night Slaughterhouse on 105.7 FM, the Hawk. Go to their website to stream the station. There's a little less than an hour left of Metal, and the 11 o'clock hour generally play the heaviest stuff.

[kenshinbebop]

You quote me, however, as specifically saying "a bunch of random crap". I never said that, so please do not put words in my mouth, as it were. If you are implying that the points I made are a bunch of random crap, then I say this: I put thought into everything I post on these forums, as I do on every online forum I belong to. I don't spout the first nonsense that pops into my head, unless I am doing so on purpose in order to be silly. I was also addressing the points you had made, so they were not random. Perhaps I misunderstood your intent, but that is a constant danger in the impersonal world of the internet. I am not standing in front of you, listening to your inflections, reading your body language, so I can only take your words as I interpret them.

Yes, poor choice of wording. My apologies.

(In all honesty, even if it does sound slightly sarcastic...but as I said, I'm through with the subject so, I've said sorry, that's the end...)

[blackknight]

True, let us bury the hatchet and agree to disagree. This is a thread about Metal, so let us discuss Metal.

Out of curiousity, what does everyone consider Meat Loaf's music as. He certainly has the driving power of Metal, especially his latest album, but that could also be applied to Hard Rock. Your opinions?

[kenshinbebop]

Rock, Hard Rock, Classic Rock, "Wagnerian" Rock-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meat_loaf

:lol:

He can get heavy at times, but my fondest songs are some of his lightest ones.

[Woooh]

True, let us bury the hatchet and agree to disagree. This is a thread about Metal, so let us discuss Metal.

Out of curiousity, what does everyone consider Meat Loaf's music as. He certainly has the driving power of Metal, especially his latest album, but that could also be applied to Hard Rock. Your opinions?

Meat Loaf, based on Bat out of Hell, the only full album I've heard from him, is a classic/hard rock artist, although the title track is pretty heavy. On a side note, Meat Loaf is definitely amazing. How do you guys classify Scorpions? Especially the newer stuff...seems to me as they are drifting towards a metal classification.

[Daishikaze]

The Scorpions are considered part of the "Holy Trinity of German Metal" along with Accept and Running Wild. So yeah, they are metal I think

[Caster13]

kenshinbebop has got a great point. stairway to heaven might be considered an easy song to learn, but keep in mind that the solo was often done on a twelve string, which are played a specific way. and since this is Jimmy Page we're talking about, your chances on playing the song on a twelve string like he did are very, very, very slim.

btw, dragonforce f***ing sucks. the singing is an automatic turnoff:x

[kenshinbebop]

Actually, it was played on a Telecaster. :redface: He also used his double neck at times.

Not to disregard your compliment or anything...

[Caster13]

well ive seen a small clip of him using the doubleneck for the solo so.....ok

but one thing in a lot of rock is the often ignored bassist by a lot of people. but all they gotta do is listen to Cliff Burton and watch old clips of him playing and their thinking will change REALLY fast.

how he played that fast is mindblowing. cept he got killed when a tour bus fell on him. RIP man:crybaby:

[kenshinbebop]

Yes, especially in hard rock/metal, bass is rarely valued. But some of those guys are really great.

[HSaabedra]

Yes, especially in hard rock/metal, bass is rarely valued. But some of those guys are really great.

Listen to more Metal then. Sunn O))), Boris, Iron Maiden, Pantera, Ministry, Meshuggah, Jesus Lizard, are all examples of metal bands that emphasize the bass guitar.

[kenshinbebop]

Well, as I said before I'm not too into metal so, don't lsiten to me. :/

But, from my experiences, bass guitar isn't as emphasized as lead guitar or drums.

[blackknight]

Possibly because in the majority of Rock and Metal the bass is underplayed. Your average Joe Shmoe can easily pick out the guitar rythym and feel the beat of the drum, but not the bass. Think of string orchestral concerts. You are more likely to pick out the violin and viola, whereas the cello and bass are more there as background noise to them. I know, as I used to play the cello.

[emotoaster]

I like all types of metal, need to look into some of this European stuff though, since honestly I've only really listened to American/UK bands.

[Tidusauron12]

Think of string orchestral concerts. You are more likely to pick out the violin and viola, whereas the cello and bass are more there as background noise to them. I know, as I used to play the cello.

Yeah, true... most composers didn't see what beauty the underlying instruments could produce. I'm trying to be more efiicient with my melodies in the bass line.

Example: Have bass play bass line, and have cello play a... counter melody over the bass line.

Of course, this can be a bit much since the higher instruments are playing other melodies and ornamentation.

[Woooh]

Yeah, true... most composers didn't see what beauty the underlying instruments could produce. I'm trying to be more efiicient with my melodies in the bass line.

Example: Have bass play bass line, and have cello play a... counter melody over the bass line.

Of course, this can be a bit much since the higher instruments are playing other melodies and ornamentation.

Heard Apocalyptica? 3 cellists and a drummer in a heavy metal style. Also, Letzte Instanz, a German hard rock band, uses a cellist and a violinist as their melody leaders.

[emotoaster]

^sounds very interesting I'll have to check em out.

[Mazinkaiser]

Heard Apocalyptica? 3 cellists and a drummer in a heavy metal style. Also, Letzte Instanz, a German hard rock band, uses a cellist and a violinist as their melody leaders.

I love Apocalytica's music. Great band

[MonkeyBoy0314]

Heard Apocalyptica? 3 cellists and a drummer in a heavy metal style. Also, Letzte Instanz, a German hard rock band, uses a cellist and a violinist as their melody leaders.

I suggest you listen to their Metallica covers before anything else, they just rule!

[Caster13]

Jimmy Page is known to sometimes play the guitar with a bowstring. also, Led Zeppelin had a defined bass. if only Bonham didnt drink an entire bottle of alchohol, who know what the f*ck they would have done.

my theory is that they might have changed with the times and gone really heavy, cause Page definitely has the ability to go like that. i dont think they would have gone glam, which sucks on many levels.

[kenshinbebop]

Are there any other songs he uses a bow on besides Kashmir?

[Caster13]

i just know that he uses a bow on occasion. i like some Zeppelin, but i dont know all of their songs, and im not an expert on them.

now Ferraris, THAT is where i have a lot of expertise:D

[Woooh]

Bump to request the move to the music forum.

[Jeht Black1]

i dont listen to much metal but i like the style dethklok has or who ever plays for the show. also the song by mastodon from the aqua teen movie intro.
Dethklok (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OPyOFQjN03Y)
Aqua teen Movie Disclamer/Intro (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fVU15ampt2E)
Me being a black guy get some rather F'ed up looks from people when i pull up to a light blasting metal, its funny as hell.

[Gray]

Bump to request the move to the music forum.

Why would you bump to move a topic thats been dead for 4 months.

[Woooh]

Why would you bump to move a topic thats been dead for 4 months.
Because it wouldn't be dead if it was in the music forum. Hence, if we move it, it revives.

i dont listen to much metal but i like the style dethklok has or who ever plays for the show. also the song by mastodon from the aqua teen movie intro.
Dethklok (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OPyOFQjN03Y)
Aqua teen Movie Disclamer/Intro (http://youtube.com/watch?v=fVU15ampt2E)
Me being a black guy get some rather F'ed up looks from people when i pull up to a light blasting metal, its funny as hell.
By the way, that's awesome.

[Caster13]

people need more metal in this world. not even metal, just quality rock.

such as a daily dose of Jimmy Page doing an insane solo.:D

[chrono'shield]

yeah i would say im a metal head
my last fm page
http://www.last.fm/user/Chronix112/

[Nano]

Only a select few of metal. But compared to a year ago many more, so im growing sort of.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Cool I liked the same music 5 months ago that I do now

[Nano]

Cool I liked the same music 5 months ago that I do now

Myspace helps alot in telling me if a band is good or not, so that helps me with new stuff too.

Though shops not even having heard of bands I want is not good.

[MonkeyBoy0314]

Anyone else looking forward to the Dethalbum?

[dothacker5]

^YES YES YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Monkey wins the thread. And yes jeht, black people who listens to metal are the most awesome people in the universe.

[Woooh]

yeah i would say im a metal head
my last fm page
http://www.last.fm/user/Chronix112/

I also use Last.fm
http://www.last.fm/user/truewalrus/
Seems like you're a bit heavier than me.

Anyone else looking forward to the Dethalbum?
I think the real question is...who isn't?

[KyouryokuSenshi]

Although I mainly like Rock, I do like some metal. Depends on when I am in the mood to listen.^_^