America = Jesusland, lol: $20m anti-evo museum

[Ridley-X4]

http://www.kentucky.com/454/story/26286.html

There also will be an exhibit suggesting that belief in evolution is the root of most of modern society's evils. It shows models of children leaving a church where the minister believes in evolution. Soon the girl is on the phone to Planned Parenthood, while the boy cruises the Internet for pornography sites.

lol, America.

[earsofdoom]

O god (Yes i relize the irony in my expression)....... yep another BELIEF sure is the root of all evil, shame on these peaple for believeing in things all on there own and not just becouse a big book says so. Anyone else laughing at the evil "Planned parent hood"? :lol:

I hope someone parades around dressed as Charles Darwin at that place.

[Bernard_Monsha]

That is the guy who comes on TBN that says T-Rex was a vegetarian and harvested reeds for Adam. Kinda like the dinosaur in the bedrock quarry Fred Flintstone drove. His website and museum can be found here (http://www.creationevidence.org/cemframes.html), ironically he is Glen Rose, Texas near one of the most important Paleontology sites in the world.

[Flavius]

Yep, Ken Ham and his AiG troupe are at it again with this museum thing. It's sad to see how far some fundies go to make other Christians look bad.

[Haro!]

The saddest part is the fundies seem to raise more money than the regular Cristians. What do they pool all their funds together? I mean damn, the church my parents go to can barely afford renovations.

[CrossboneGundam]

Not new, sadly. I knew about this last year.

[RyoTD]

... I just feel like finding a decent brick wall to headbutt. Repeatedly.

[Soluzar]

It's sad to see how far some fundies go to make other Christians look bad.
Very sad. There's no purpose to this. Anyone who stands to be convinced by this ridiculous museum has already been convinced. Anyone else will simply ignore it.

[Mazinkaiser]

jeez, thats 27 million dollars that could have been spent on far more practical and less ridiculous goals for other Christian organizations or churches. Its sad really :(

[KatayokuのTenshi]

... I just feel like finding a decent brick wall to headbutt. Repeatedly.


http://www.evacommentary.org/forums/images/smiles/headbash.gif

[RyoTD]

http://www.evacommentary.org/forums/images/smiles/headbash.gif
... Yeah, that's quite what I had in mind.

*snatch*

[CapnTylor]

I live a few miles away. I've been there. It's pretty hilarious.

[Flavius]

Very sad. There's no purpose to this. Anyone who stands to be convinced by this ridiculous museum has already been convinced. Anyone else will simply ignore it.
As long as they believe that they can "save souls" with the museum, then by all means they're going to promote it regardless of anyone being convinced or not.

It's really no different from what the folks at TBN are doing or the whole Left Behind franchise, in that they are pretty much driven to simply rescue people from making the wrong "post-mortem decision" and frying in hell for eternity.

I'd say that's a far cry from preaching the good news of the Bible and helping the needy.

[Bernard_Monsha]

As long as they believe that they can "save souls" with the museum, then by all means they're going to promote it regardless of anyone being convinced or not.

It's really no different from what the folks at TBN are doing or the whole Left Behind franchise, in that they are pretty much driven to simply rescue people from making the wrong "post-mortem decision" and frying in hell for eternity.

I'd say that's a far cry from preaching the good news of the Bible and helping the needy.

I am actually indifferent to this namely because they are not ding any harm to anyone or anything. They also provide me with a source of misplaced mirth when they explain away with fantastical theories of a giant rupture of the earth that leaked water. Besides they show Benny Hinn! How can you not like Benny Hinn and his magical coat of smiteing?!

[Flavius]

Besides they show Benny Hinn! How can you not like Benny Hinn and his magical coat of smiteing?!
Heh, I guess you're right. I mean after all, how can you not like a man who can work his way up towards owning his own private jet?

[ffl]

Well, at least this'll bring revenue into the state. There seem to be plenty of museums like this... like UFO or alien museums... It's more like a sideshow than anything to be taken particularly seriously.

[Soluzar]

It's really no different from what the folks at TBN are doing or the whole Left Behind franchise, in that they are pretty much driven to simply rescue people from making the wrong "post-mortem decision" and frying in hell for eternity.
The whole Left Behind franchise is shockingly fundamentalist. It shows clear signs that there exists the potential for a radical fundamentalist Christian group just as bad as anything that Islam can throw at us.

[Dark_Shiki]

The whole Left Behind franchise is shockingly fundamentalist. It shows clear signs that there exists the potential for a radical fundamentalist Christian group just as bad as anything that Islam can throw at us.

I'll second that. Have you seen some of the neo-nazi groups that claim to be christian? Aren't they terrorists just as much? Yes. They just haven't gotten the chanceto do a big enough scale terrorism act to get them up to par with the ones we're fighting now. I've never understood why detrimental groups like this are allowed to flourish, I think they should be dismantled in some way. Don't give me the free speech/religion excuse for people like that either, there are some who just take it too far and at the risk of others.~Angela

[Soluzar]

I'll second that. Have you seen some of the neo-nazi groups that claim to be christian? Aren't they terrorists just as much? Yes. They just haven't gotten the chanceto do a big enough scale terrorism act to get them up to par with the ones we're fighting now. I've never understood why detrimental groups like this are allowed to flourish, I think they should be dismantled in some way. Don't give me the free speech/religion excuse for people like that either, there are some who just take it too far and at the risk of others.
I'll follow up by saying that I don't mean for my statements to apply to all Christians. It's just that tiny minority of people without a sense of perspective who could turn out this way.

[Bernard_Monsha]

The whole Left Behind franchise is shockingly fundamentalist. It shows clear signs that there exists the potential for a radical fundamentalist Christian group just as bad as anything that Islam can throw at us.

Yes, I often see the Benny Hinn Christians attacking and killing non Christians and celebrating it in the streets. I also see Non Christians hiding in their houses and locking their doors when church lets out for fear of being drug out eaten raped and killed. I see all those things :rolleyes:

Honestly don't even make the comparison when it is non comparable.

[Soluzar]

Honestly don't even make the comparison when it is non comparable.
Clearly comparable. What the hell is the KKK if not a Christian Fundamentalist group? The potential is certainly there for something on a greater scale. The fact that I said potential clearly implies that I don't think it's happening now. Don't give me this, after I gave a sop to moderate Christians.

[Dark_Shiki]

I'll follow up by saying that I don't mean for my statements to apply to all Christians. It's just that tiny minority of people without a sense of perspective who could turn out this way.

I know what you meant. Luckily it's a minority. It just looks alot worse when a ton of them from kansas show up at soldiers' funerals to shout bigotry.

And Bernard, I understand that alot of these groups I spoke about have not done the things you mentioned. They typically do smaller scale things, but it still aggravates me alot. I just wonder if they would be capable of one day doing worse.

[Soluzar]

And Bernard, I understand that alot of these groups I spoke about have not done the things you mentioned. They typically do smaller scale things, but it still aggravates me alot. I just wonder if they would be capable of one day doing worse.
This is what Bernard is missing. I didn't say it's happening now. I said that Left Behind is a call to arms, and sooner or later... someone will answer.

It's going to happen. The only question is when.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Clearly comparable. What the hell is the KKK if not a Christian Fundamentalist group? The potential is certainly there for something on a greater scale. The fact that I said potential clearly implies that I don't think it's happening now. Don't give me this, after I gave a sop to moderate Christians.

The KKK is different from Identity Christians and are a distinct minority of a minority. You do not get thousands of them coming from church on Sunday wanting to beat a non Christian to death. You don't see that any were in the world for any religion except one, it is the same one that will beat you to death for showing up on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, or behead you for converting to another religion.

[Flavius]

The whole Left Behind franchise is shockingly fundamentalist. It shows clear signs that there exists the potential for a radical fundamentalist Christian group just as bad as anything that Islam can throw at us.
I see what you mean. The belief that's built around the whole Left Behind stuff only existed since the mid-1800s, which in essence makes it a fairly unorthodox teaching in Christianity (if you account for its entire history).

Of course, when it comes to fundamentalism in Christianity, whether Young Earth Creationism or Left Behind theology, everything pretty much hinges on how literal you want to approach the Bible.

[Soluzar]

The KKK is different from Identity Christians and are a distinct minority of a minority.
Throughout the history of the group, many Klansmen, if not all, have self-identified as Christian. I'm very well aware of the vast differences between the Ku Klux Klan and the Christian Identity movement, but I'm also aware of the links. I don't think you'd argue with the point that neither group have a lot to be proud of. Both are groups of which the moderate majority Christians are keen to distance themselves from.

Islamic people who actually set off bombs are a minority, too. You can't argue with mathematics. There are over 1.4 Billion adherents of Islam spread out throught the world. Remind me again precisely how many shoe-bombers, car-bombers and hijackers there have been? It is a much greater number than those involved in Ku Klux Klan activities, but it's still a minority of followers of Islam.

If you were to ask me how many support such actions, then that number might be much higher. It might even be a majority of Muslims in countries in the Middle East. I doubt that a majority of Muslims living in Western countries support such actions, but I stand ready to be proved wrong.

We aren't really talking about support though, are we? We're talking about lynchings and bombings, and the potential for future acts. I won't make the mistake of attempting to claim that any group which self-identifies as a Christian group has committed acts of terror on the scale of those committed by Islamic fundamentalists groups. What I am saying is that the potential is there. It's already happened on a (much) smaller scale.

I feel that at this point I must mention a specific example, in order to retain any credibility. It is possible that you will counter me by stating that the people in question were not real Christians, or did not commit acts of terror on the scale that is under discussion. Such an argument has some merit, but I believe it is necessary to remind you once again that I am discussing the potential for radical Christian groups to emerge, not the actual existance of such groups.

I ask you to consider Eric Robert Rudolph, who committed a series of bombings across the Southern states of America, which he claimed were part of a campaign against abortion, and the "Homosexual Agenda". It's hard not to think of him as a Christian terrorist.

Please allow me to explain at this point that I do not consider Eric Robert Rudoph in any way representative of ordinary everyday Christians, any more than I consider Fred Phelps or the Westboro Baptists representative of the majority of moderate Christians. What I am saying is that individuals, and sometimes groups, exist within the faith with beliefs and an agenda which could potentially lead to acts of terror.

You do not get thousands of them coming from church on Sunday wanting to beat a non Christian to death. You don't see that any were in the world for any religion except one, it is the same one that will beat you to death for showing up on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, or behead you for converting to another religion.
I will not contest these statements, even though as they stand they are incomplete and present a limited picture. I am not suggesting, implying or stating that fundamentalist views are as prevalent in Christendom as they are in Islamy. I don't see where you got that from. What I am saying is that there does exist a lunatic fringe, and that Lost Behind is their call to arms.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Throughout the history of the group, many Klansmen, if not all, have self-identified as Christian. I'm very well aware of the vast differences between the Ku Klux Klan and the Christian Identity movement, but I'm also aware of the links. I don't think you'd argue with the point that neither group have a lot to be proud of. Both are groups of which the moderate majority Christians are keen to distance themselves from.

That is the point, no major sect of Christianity recognizes them in fact they condemn them.

Islamic people who actually set off bombs are a minority, too. You can't argue with mathematics. There are over 1.4 Billion adherents of Islam spread out throught the world. Remind me again precisely how many shoe-bombers, car-bombers and hijackers there have been? It is a much greater number than those involved in Ku Klux Klan activities, but it's still a minority of followers of Islam.

It is still much larger percentage than the 2.1 billion Christians. Remember that a lot of stuff simply is not reported due to government control of the media in that part of the world.

If you were to ask me how many support such actions, then that number might be much higher. It might even be a majority of Muslims in countries in the Middle East. I doubt that a majority of Muslims living in Western countries support such actions, but I stand ready to be proved wrong.

I am ambivalent about them. Most are good folks, but they let the bad ones (like CAIR the Muslim Bund party) and the crazy guy in Houston who is sueing a pig farmer over having pigs. They also allow the radicals to preach at their mosque, which is something they really should not.

We aren't really talking about support though, are we? We're talking about lynchings and bombings, and the potential for future acts. I won't make the mistake of attempting to claim that any group which self-identifies as a Christian group has committed acts of terror on the scale of those committed by Islamic fundamentalists groups. What I am saying is that the potential is there. It's already happened on a (much) smaller scale.

I they did a survey in Egypt which showed about 60% approve very much of terrorism, 38% approve somewhat. There is also a trend to arrest/kill dissenters deemed un-Islamic

I feel that at this point I must mention a specific example, in order to retain any credibility. It is possible that you will counter me by stating that the people in question were not real Christians, or did not commit acts of terror on the scale that is under discussion. Such an argument has some merit, but I believe it is necessary to remind you once again that I am discussing the potential for radical Christian groups to emerge, not the actual existance of such groups.

You could get radical Vegans who inject themselves with vegetable DNA and preach a genocidal war against non Vegans but it is not likely. Nor would I expect the Vegan community to do anything but condemn the movement and distance themselves from it.


I ask you to consider Eric Robert Rudolph, who committed a series of bombings across the Southern states of America, which he claimed were part of a campaign against abortion, and the "Homosexual Agenda". It's hard not to think of him as a Christian terrorist.

He was one of the Identity Christians which is a branch of White Nationilism, he was not motivated by Christian thought but WN rhetoric.


Please allow me to explain at this point that I do not consider Eric Robert Rudoph in any way representative of ordinary everyday Christians, any more than I consider Fred Phelps or the Westboro Baptists representative of the majority of moderate Christians. What I am saying is that individuals, and sometimes groups, exist within the faith with beliefs and an agenda which could potentially lead to acts of terror.

That is true for any group ever formed.


I will not contest these statements, even though as they stand they are incomplete and present a limited picture. I am not suggesting, implying or stating that fundamentalist views are as prevalent in Christendom as they are in Islamy. I don't see where you got that from. What I am saying is that there does exist a lunatic fringe, and that Lost Behind is their call to arms.


Fundamentalist views in Christianity are very different from Islam as they are from Hinduism, Buddhism, and Judaism. The left behind people have been around for at least 200 years, one of the interesting things about prophecy is that it is only realized when events have transpired, it does not stop them though.

[Flavius]

Kind of veering away from the main topic/discussion, but has anybody here seen the movie Jesus Camp? This definitely shows fundamentalism in a nutshell, especially when it comes to children being involved.

[Bernard_Monsha]

I kinda take Borat as indicative of Fundies. They were the nicest people to him in the entire movie even if they act goofy and twitch and scream. They are also amongst the happiest people you will ever meet.

[ffl]

I kinda take Borat as indicative of Fundies. They were the nicest people to him in the entire movie even if they act goofy and twitch and scream. They are also amongst the happiest people you will ever meet.

Well, some do say that ignorance is bliss...

Some people can be happy with and prefer to be a sheep in a flock being led to where ever by a shepherd while they can just sit back and enjoy munching on the green.

[Tom Servo]

Luckily the church of england doesn't really take itself that seriously so I don't have to deal with the same level of lies americans have to put up with over the pond.

There are loads of incoherent points.

Major example being the talk of that pain/suffering is part of 'god's plan' when even to create a universe with pain and suffering being able to exist is emotionally wrong and insane, which means whichever 'god' created this universe isn't the true god but some mentally deranged demiurge. After creation the rest of the bible goes on to detail just how bad things went, the blind god sets plagues upon folk and generally ****s up in every way imaginable - all the while souls are imprisoned into matter without a clue to What The Hell Happened. All This stems from a sort of discordant geometry where even your every breath is out of place, but the knowledge of the proper geometry is still intact - that's how such things as 'portal paintings' work, after all... and UFOs... and churchs/lodges... the list goes on.

The closest thing I found to the truth about how the universe is suppose to be was in taoism, but then that's another 'ism' isn't it.

I see 'the Fall' being related to a manufactured split in spacetime a long time ago, so there's a true universe and a simulacrum-type universe - which is reflected in our split brain hemispheres. The various myths about gods losing one of their eyes (horus) is related to this as each eye matches up with the opposing brain hemisphere. In the qabalah/merkavah spiritual sciences there is a planned way in which you stimulate areas of your body in-sequence as seen on the tree of emanation which activates the areas of your brain (wilder penfield/tim leary) in a spiralling formation (meru foundation) which is how the 'light chariot' unfolds and how you go about creating a universe, this again is related back to the divine geometry stuff previously mentioned.

Will bramley in his book 'gods of eden' is right, it's about suppressing the gods we really are from continuing unfolding creation and expanding our consciousness, which is why psychedelics are so important to be used for awareness purposes, all the while the insane one-eyed james-james demiurge uses that same info. for the worst of intentions.

I'm unsure if the fake christians along with their fake god are actually aware of what happened and realise they are perpetuating it or not. From experience I've felt their knowing-of it from ages away whereas others don't seem to be real in the sense that their soul isn't interacting with their bodies directly - like an extension of the mk-ultra tech. of splitting minds form their bodies and compartmentalising them into different scripted personas.

[Steagol]

The saddest part is the fundies seem to raise more money than the regular Cristians. What do they pool all their funds together? I mean damn, the church my parents go to can barely afford renovations.

They probably damn you to hell if you don't give more than 110% of your budget or your credit card.


(Sigh) Of course, a good counter attack to their "anti evolution museum" could be an anti-creationism museum. One of the exhibits could be a couple of those dumbasses doing meaningless things with their lives in the name of god.

[ffl]

Isn't there already a museum like that... like the Museum of Natural History...?

[Caster13]

well I on the other hand ask these people for a favor:

you want to get rid of immorality? by all means, DESTROY MTV!!!:devil: and put a couple car bombs in Hollywood while your at it.

one result might be the destruction of planned anime live action movies!:D

[Bernard_Monsha]

Isn't there already a museum like that... like the Museum of Natural History...?

No this one has animatronic puppets that preach at you. Kinda like the ones that stand on the street corner only you pay to see them.

[Flavius]

I think there was an episode of the Simpsons that touched on the creationism/evolution subject. There was also this museum that had an evolution display that really ticked Ned Flanders off.

The museum also left room for the creation point of view, though the display they had didn't really make things better for poor Neddy ("The Myth of Creation").

"No one was ever a Monkey!"

[ffl]

No this one has animatronic puppets that preach at you. Kinda like the ones that stand on the street corner only you pay to see them.

Ooh, well if you're going to pay to see them, you might as well be able to give those puppets a smack or two and get an appropriate audio response from them.^_^ Hehe, or at least get an appropriate response for walking by and ignoring them.:P