You're favorite Final Fantasy Girl

[KyubiNoKitsune]

I'm leaving this one wide open since I usually get called out when it's just about the Main Girl... However, you do get two votes, so please one Main Girl and one Secondary girl...
I'm using my position as Official Judge Magister to rule here...
There are three qualifications that a girl has to meet to become a Main Girl...
1. Love interest for the Main Guy...
2. Consistent throughout the story, if she's not in the party she has to be mentioned every now and again.
3. Alive at the end of the game... Not simply gone, but alive...
Now the girls who meet these requirements are as follows...
I: None (Princess Sarah?)
II: Maria
III: Refia
IV: Rosa
V: Lenna (Faris counts too)
VI: Celes (Judgement Call, Terra does not meet ALL the requirements)
VII: Tifa (Judgement Call, I know Aeris fans will be mad at me, she's my choice in this game too. But, she doesn't meet ALL the requirements)
VIII: Rinoa
IX: Garnet/Dagger
X: Yuna
X-2: Yuna
XII: Penelo (Judgement Call, I know fans will say it's Ashe, but she doesn't meet ALL the requirements)
Now that that's out of the way, I'll make my votes...
Main girl is tough for me, but I'd have to go with Garnet... She's super cute and I love a girl in Orange... (Rinoa is a close second)
Secondary girl is easy, Rikku! Again super cute, and Oh so energetic. (Aeris is almost a tie though)
Now, what are your thoughts on the matter...
*Please note that I've asked you to choose from the list that I've made for Main Girls, if you disagree you can use your second vote for the girl you think should be the Main Girl, and vote a third time for Secondary Girl...
Let the voting begin...

[Shiroiyuki]

I'm a Rinoa fan myself. I liked Rikku (for second), but she was always so...perky O_O. And she says 'Yunnie' which just grates on my nerves.

I guess I'd say Rinoa and....Quistis for second, since she was one of those badass chicks who could look pretty while being strong.

[KyubiNoKitsune]

I'm a Rinoa fan myself. I liked Rikku (for second), but she was always so...perky O_O. And she says 'Yunnie' which just grates on my nerves.

I guess I'd say Rinoa and....Quistis for second, since she was one of those badass chicks who could look pretty while being strong.
You take four votes why? O_O *Stares*
Just to clarify you get to choose two girls, not two girls twice...
I really gotta think before I type... ~_~

[Shiroiyuki]

You take four votes why? O_O *Stares*
Just to clarify you get to choose two girls, not two girls twice...
I really gotta think before I type... ~_~

No no, just thinking aloud I guess. My choice would be Rinoa (main) and Quistis (secondary).



I just said that about Rikku because she was a *close* second, but failed in the end because of a small annoyance.

[ryushe]

Aeris

(filler)

[Len]

Why in gods name is Terra not on your list? Blapshemy. I should hit you forcefully with a spoon. Its illegal to not think of Terra as a mainstay main character in the Final Fantasy Series.

CELES OVER TERRA?! CELES IS A WATERED DOWN TERRA XD An she was controlled for much longer, the weak fool.

I.
Sara, I agree.

II.
Maria.

III.
None of the Characters were named,

IIIDS.
Refia

IV.
Rydia

V.
Krile

VI.
TERRA

VII.
Yuffie (I dont like Fandom, sorry. Aerith's storyline was too corny.)

VIII.
Rinoa

IX.
Princess Garnet

X.
Yuna, since nobody else had story.

X-2.
Paine, Definately the main character in terms of story.


Tactics Advanced: Ritz (<3 White hair)

[KyubiNoKitsune]

Why in gods name is Terra not on your list? Blapshemy. I should hit you forcefully with a spoon. Its illegal to not think of Terra as a mainstay main character in the Final Fantasy Series.

CELES OVER TERRA?! CELES IS A WATERED DOWN TERRA XD An she was controlled for much longer, the weak fool.

I.
Sara, I agree.

II.
Maria.

III.
None of the Characters were named,

IIIDS.
Refia

IV.
Rydia

V.
Krile

VI.
TERRA

VII.
Yuffie (I dont like Fandom, sorry. Aerith's storyline was too corny.)

VIII.
Rinoa

IX.
Princess Garnet

X.
Yuna, since nobody else had story.

X-2.
Paine, Definately the main character in terms of story.


Tactics Advanced: Ritz (<3 White hair)
Rydia!? Main Girl!? *Passes out*
Yes she's cute, but she's not a love interest for the main character, neither is Terra... Who is this Aerith of which you speak? Mean you, Aeris? (Su in Japanese can go either way so I use S) Remember the requirements? Aeris doesn't meet them all... Krile comes into the game too late to be the Main Girl... And although I love Yuffie so much, she is not the Main Girl, she's basically comic relief...
Celes fits the qualifications, and was not controlled... Terra was controlled, Celes served... BIG difference...
And you forgot XII...
Vote using the rules please... 2 votes...

[Hajime Saitou]

Remember the requirements? Aeris doesn't meet them all...

But your requirements are retarded. You made a poll that said "hey everyone agree with me or GTFO." How do you expect anyone to take this seriously?

Aeris

That's my answer. And I know it was a typo Len, so no need to point it out(if you were going to).

[KyubiNoKitsune]

But your requirements are retarded. You made a poll that said "hey everyone agree with me or GTFO." How do you expect anyone to take this seriously?
If you had bothered to read the rules you'd see that people who disagree with my requirements are entitled to a third vote to nominate who they think is the Main Girl... Provided that they are in fact Polite about it...
And please note that it's not a poll, just a query...
I didn't want to make this poll, so I didn't make one when I started the thread...
And I'm sure you'll argue with me about that too...
But know this... In my mind, I am always right... No matter how much you argue my mind will not change...

[Hajime Saitou]

If you had bothered to read the rules you'd see that people who disagree with my requirements are entitled to a third vote to nominate who they think is the Main Girl... Provided that they are in fact Polite about it...

If you had to have an option for people who disagree with you, then maybe you didn't consider the rules to be acceptable for most people?



And please note that it's not a poll, just a query...
I didn't want to make this poll, so I didn't make one when I started the thread...

I'm using my position as Official Judge Magister to rule here...

But know this... In my mind, I am always right... No matter how much you argue my mind will not change...

:lol:

[KyubiNoKitsune]

:lol:
:lol:
You can disagree if you want, but that's the way I think and act... On impulse...

You can disagree with my choices, but they are in fact sound...
They are made based on a structurally sound system of three requirements...
Only the girls who match these said requirements can be called Final Fantasy Main Girl, I don't see the problem that you have with this...

By your logic I could call Rikku the Main Girl of X and X-2 just because she's my favorite... But I can't because X and X-2 are about Yuna's journey...

If you had to have an option for people who disagree with you, then maybe you didn't consider the rules to be acceptable for most people?
As for this statement, I made it that way not because I considered the rules unacceptable for most people, but because I knew that there would be Aeris fans who wouldn't agree that Tifa is the Main Girl for VII... And I knew that others wouldn't agree with me choosing Celes over Terra, or Penelo over Ashe...

[Hajime Saitou]

They are made based on a structurally sound system of three requirements...
Only the girls who match these said requirements can be called Final Fantasy Main Girl, I don't see the problem that you have with this...

I have a problem with it because YOU came up with these three requirements. What makes you the omnipotent being that knows how to judge who's a main girl in a FF game.

By your logic I could call Rikku the Main Girl of X and X-2 just because she's my favorite... But I can't because X and X-2 are about Yuna's journey...

Except it is obviously Yuna.

As for this statement, I made it not because I considered the rules unacceptable for most people, but because I knew that there would be Aeris fans who wouldn't agree that Tifa is the Main Girl for VII... And I knew that others wouldn't agree with me choosing Celes over Terra, or Penelo over Ashe...

Oh ok, so you use that excuse up there about Rikku, but then you say that Celes and Penelo are the main girls for their games :lol:.

If I ask you for details, is it going to have to be in a PM because it's graphic? :rolleyes:

1. Love interest for the Main Character.

Doesn't have anything to do with being the main girl. See Terra.

2. Consistent throughout the story, if she's not in the party she has to be mentioned every now and again.

This one is ok.

3. Alive at the end of the game...

By using your "logic" here, Tidus isn't the main male in FFX.

Your rules are crap. You just pulled them out of your *** to satisfy your own needs, and then had to come show off your idea like some 10 year old that just used the potty for the first time on his own. Wait that analogy works on more than one level.

[KyubiNoKitsune]

I have a problem with it because YOU came up with these three requirements. What makes you the omnipotent being that knows how to judge who's a main girl in a FF game.
The requirements weren't made by me, but rather FF VII, VIII, and IX...
All three Main Girls fit those requirements, so I compared them to other games and found that each game has one girl that meets the requirements...
But for FF I, which has no named female characters, only an NPC princess...

Square Enix is what makes me the omnipotent being, it's their formula, I just discovered it... Go through every game and look for the love interests, look for consistency, look for characters who are alive at the end of the game...

I await your Smart*ss remark to this one...

Doesn't have anything to do with being the main girl. See Terra.
By using your "logic" here, Tidus isn't the main male in FFX.

Terra is the Main Character, but not the Main Girl... Two different things...
Massive Spoiler... DO NOT READ if you haven't beaten FFX...
See the end of FF X, I think you'll be surprised to see that Tidus is not dead...
If I ask you for details, is it going to have to be in a PM because it's graphic? :rolleyes:
*With duck lisp* You're despicable!
Not even gonna dignify your edit there with a response...

[Hajime Saitou]

The requirements weren't made by me, but rather FF VII, VIII, and IX...
All three Main Girls fit those requirements, so I compared them to other games and found that each game has one girl that meets the requirements...
But for FF I, which has no named female characters, only an NPC princess...

Square Enix is what makes me the omnipotent being, it's their formula, I just discovered it... Go through every game and look for the love interests, look for consistency, look for characters who are alive at the end of the game...

I await your Smart*ss remark to this one...


*With duck lisp* You're despicable!

So you are applying something that only happened in 3 games, to all 12 of them? How does FFXI fit into your formula, since it is in the main line. I'm guessing you failed that IQ test where you have to put the square peg in the square hole because you tried using the same peg for every one. And :lol: at this being SquareEnix's formula. Nice try.

As for my smart *** comments, too bad I'm pointing out your poorly conceived poll.

[KyubiNoKitsune]

I saw it in three games and looked for it in the other nine, and found it in all of them but for FF I... And since I don't count XI, I don't need to apply it there... :lol:
And for your information my I.Q. is 160...
You keep calling it a poll, and it makes me laugh... I thank you for that...

[Hajime Saitou]

I saw it in three games and looked for it in the other nine, and found it in all of them but for FF I... And since I don't count XI, I don't need to apply it there... :lol:
And for your information my I.Q. is 1.60...
You keep calling it a poll, and it makes me laugh... I thank you for that...

You mean you twisted your biased formula around those games to make them work for you.

And yes, Tidus is dead. He no longer exists in the same world as everyone else, he's gone. And by your formula, he isn't the main male for FFX.

How on earth do you figure that Terra and Ashe aren't the main female characters for their games. I honestly want to see you defend your idea here. And don't point to your rules either.

[KyubiNoKitsune]

And yes, Tidus is dead. He no longer exists in the same world as everyone else, he's gone. And by your formula, he isn't the main male for FFX.
Even bigger spoiler than the last...
He's not dead, he just disappears along with all the dreams of the Fayth... And by the way, he comes back in FF X-2, so he never really died at all...

[Hajime Saitou]

Even bigger spoiler than the last...
He's not dead, he just disappears along with all the dreams of the Fayth... And by the way, he comes back in FF X-2, so he never really died at all...

Hello genius, FFX is not FFX-2. Those are separate games. When I say FFX I actually mean FFX. At the END OF THE GAME, he is gone. Now you're twisting your own rules to suit your needs.

[KyubiNoKitsune]

He never dies, and he is in the ending, so my rules do apply... If they applied to men that is...
So, anybody else wanna talk?
I've never put anyone on ignore before, but you become the first Hajime Saitou...

[Hajime Saitou]

He never dies, and he is in the ending, so my rules do apply... If they applied to men that is...
So, anybody else wanna talk?

Why shouldn't they apply to men. And he is gone at the end of the game. Not, "he is in the ending". Look at what you typed:

3. Alive at the end of the game...

Once again, explain how Terra and Ashe aren't the main female characters for their games. I want to hear it. Don't run away now that you've been asked to explain how you came to those conclusions.

I've never put anyone on ignore before, but you become the first Hajime Saitou...

:lol: Ok. Enjoy living in lala land where you are always right and never have to explain your ideas.

Edit-

I just noticed something really stupid: Terra is the Main Character, but not the Main Girl

Look at this now:

1. Love interest for the Main Character.

VI: Celes (Judgement Call, Terra does not meet ALL the requirements)

Woah! Where was that hot girl on girl action. I didn't know that Celes was the main love interest for Terra. Putting me on ignore doesn't help anything, because everyone else can see that this poll is ridiculous.

[Spadesy]

Tifa, 'cause she looks like a hooker and she could probably beat up all the guys. And yet she still has that old fashioned girl-next-door-heart-of-gold thing going on.

[gameoffreak8]

Final Fantasy VI: Terra

Final Fantasy VII: Tifa

Final Fantasy VIII: Rinoa

Final Fantasy IX: Dagger/Garnet

Final Fantasy X: Yuna

Final Fantasy X-2: Paine

Final Fantasy XII: Ashe

Final Fantasy XIII: Lightning (Yes, it was not release yet)

My favorite FF girl would be Ashe, Yuna, and Garnet.

[Len]

Someone lock this thread, yet another outlet to force one's opinion.

@Aerith: No, I'm just used to spelling her name Aerith from various FF forums. It's become a habit.

And about X-2 being Yuna's Journey.. honestly Paine's storyline was more broad and well thought out than Yuna's storyline. Paine played a bigger part in the entire group than Yuna. Yuna was a gullwing newbie and the only thing she was doing through the entire thing was Finding Tidus. NOTHING during the game reflected that, except flash backs. Paine actually had storyline with the sphere collection and having relations with all of the groups and being in the conflict before the Gullwings.. etc..

But anyway, yea, Someone please lock this thread. Kyu thinks she is omnipotent. She is stating that characters HAVE to be main characters since she said they were, and the voting is way too vague anyway.

I perfer to call this thread: "Who would you rather lay."



... and finally..

@Penello: ....LOL. No.

@Gameof XIII: Rai.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...Rikku! the japanese version! yay! so happy!

someone lock please before a war breaksout.

[Hajime Saitou]

But anyway, yea, Someone please lock this thread. Kyu thinks she is omnipotent.

Unfortunately, despite the incredibly odd typing style, that is a not-female.

someone lock please before a war breaksout.

The war is over. I pointed out the hypocracy of this guys voting system, and that a few of his choices break his own rules.

I wouldn't mind seeing it get locked though, or just completely deleted.

[KyubiNoKitsune]

Why do you keep calling me a she!?
My profile clearly states, male...

Hypocracy you say?
This is a thread about women, that's why it does not apply to the men...
And I updated the rules, as you call them, now let's see you semanticize that...
Oh and you forgot to use a spoiler format when talking about Tidus at the end of X... Some people don't know that about him yet... ~_~
Yeesh...
In the spirit of camaraderie (yeah I looked it up, that's how it's spelled) let's end this hateful flame war...
In the words of the greatest man who ever lived, "Peace, be still..."
You don't agree with me, and I don't agree with you... So we'll agree to disagree, peacefully...

[Rahxephon91]

Mine are Yuna, Ashe, and Rikku.

[Sendo Takeshi]

Rikku, because I've seen chicks that look like her. I can't wait for the summer to get here already.

[Hajime Saitou]

Looking over this thread, I'm the only person who has mentioned the word hypocracy. Wasn't I on ignore? :lol:

Nice job changing your rules to make them work. If I point out another one, are you going to change them again?

[Kanpeki]

i just love lulu because she has massive tits, and tifa as well, <3 those juggies

[Hajime Saitou]

I decided to be an *** and keep going.

1. Love interest for the Main Guy...

Ok, fair enough. But by main guy you meant male character that is closest to being the main character, right? How else could you have decided "main guy?" Here:

Terra is the Main Character, but not the Main Girl

Aside from how incredibly contradictory this statement is, lets actually break it down.

So Terra is the main character, but that somehow does not qualify her to be the main "person" for her gender. Ok :rolleyes:. Using your logic, lets apply this to all of the other main characters too.

I didn't like Tidus very much, and Auron was pretty damn involved in FFX.

1. Love interest for the Main Guy...

Auron is now the main guy in FFX. See how this is already wrong? Remember, the main character doesn't have to be the main person for their gender. Lets keep going though. So it has to be the main guy's love interest. Yuna wasn't his love interest though, so therefore Yuna is no longer the main girl for FFX. See how that's wrong?

Vaan didn't impress me either. And he's practically a girl anyway so he works perfectly. Balthier was much cooler. He is now the main guy. There were some hints about him and Ashe. Ashe is therefore now the main girl of FFXII. Oh wait, she already was. I just ironically fixed one of your wrong choices using your own contradictory loophole.

No matter how you try to use flawed reasoning, or twisted opinions, Terra is without a doubt(read: a fact) the main girl in Final Fantasy 6. And your rules don't save you here. If someone is the main character, last I checked that makes them at least the most important person for their own gender, if not both, or in other words, at least the main girl/guy. As for Penelo being the main girl over Ashe, I'm just going to laugh at you.

Your second and third requirements aren't even needed, which is made obvious by your choices. You just picked who you thought was the "best girl" to be attached to the "main guy". This thread should have been about who you thought was the best couple(which would have been equally as pointless as this thread), not who the main girl was, because that's all your choices amount to.

Besides that, with the exception of 6 and 12(girls playing an important role must really rock your world since you can't grasp that) there is only one single answer using those rules you just pulled out of your ***. You just wanted a bunch of people to come in here and agree with you. In fact:

*Please note that I've asked you to choose from the list that I've made for Main Girls, if you disagree you can use your second vote for the girl you think should be the Main Girl, and vote a third time for Secondary Girl...
Let the voting begin...

So even if we disagree, we still have to use at least one vote to agree with you? By the way, the thread title and content of your OP have nothing to do with each other. Notice mostly everyone else totally missing the point of your post. They probably didn't read it anyway, and I don't blame them.

You're absolutely wrong for 6 and 12. Opinion doesn't have anything to do with it. As you can't seem to comprehend with your other thread, opinion does not equal fact. You were wrong in that other thread, and you were wrong in here too.

[KyubiNoKitsune]

Looking over this thread, I'm the only person who has mentioned the word hypocracy. Wasn't I on ignore?

You were, til Len said you were flaming... Then I took you off ignore to see you acting like a child again... You can play semantics all you want... But, in the end, that's all it it, semantics...
Last I checked, Auron wasn't the Main Guy... Seems to me that the onscreen character is Tidus...
Tidus is the Main Guy because he's Joint Main Character with Yuna, and precisely because he is the onscreen character...
The Main Character is the default character that's onscreen when you enter a town in a Final Fantasy where you can't choose the onscreen character...
(I.E. Not I, IV, V, and VI... In these you can choose the display character...)
Main Character, Main Girl, and Main Guy are three different categories... Therefore in a case like VI, you can have a Main Character- Terra, a Main Guy- Locke, and a Main Girl- Celes...
And by the way, I didn't see a pattern in just three games and apply it to them all... I saw it in the three that I owned and then, when I bought the rest, I saw it in them too...
I've been using this formula for five years and you're the first person who's had some problem with it... Even the people at my anime club who don't like the same anime as me and argue about which one is better don't argue with the logic of the system... They actually have complimented me on it... Then we get back to arguing about which anime is the best... ^_^

[Hajime Saitou]

You were, til Len said you were flaming... Then I took you off ignore to see you acting like a child again...

Are you referring to these posts where I was being reasonable against some very ridiculous claims:

http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6073895&postcount=32
http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6073905&postcount=34
http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6073910&postcount=36
http://animenation.net/forums/showpost.php?p=6073916&postcount=38

Back up what you just said(I know this is hard for you). How is that being childish? I saw myself calmly responding to specific claims, and providing reasonable answers that anyone could understand.

But, in the end, that's all it it, semantics...

Only because you can't change your mind apparently.

Last I checked, Auron wasn't the Main Guy...

Of course not. I was using your faulty logic to come up with him as the main guy. Last I checked Celes wasn't the main girl either.

Seems to me that the onscreen character is Tidus...
Tidus is the Main Guy because he's Joint Main Character with Yuna, and precisely because he is the onscreen character...
The Main Character is the default character that's onscreen when you enter a town in a Final Fantasy where you can't choose the onscreen character...
(I.E. Not I, IV, V, and VI... In these you can choose the display character...)

So I was right. You are only picking these people based on them being couples. :lol: And your onscreen idea doesn't hold any water. You just pointed out that in those other games you can switch who is on the field and these are supposed to apply to every game. If you are going to say that you found a formula that works for every game, you can't exclude a few of them. This is what you did with your other thread about numbered FF games, and it bit you in the *** in there too.

Main Character, Main Girl, and Main Guy are three different categories...

Only in your fantasy land. Explain how someone is important enough to be called the main character and yet they are still not the main person for their gender. I really want to hear an explanation. In fact I've asked you this before.

Therefore in a case like VI, you can have a Main Character- Terra, a Main Guy- Locke, and a Main Girl- Celes...

No. You mean who you thought was a good couple. You can go make your fanfics about this, you don't have to make these ideas public.

And by the way, I didn't see a pattern in just three games and apply it to them all... I saw it in the three that I owned and then, when I bought the rest, I saw it in them too...

Paging Dr. Hypocrite, paging Dr. Hypocrite. You already had to change your pattern twice, remember? I guess they didn't apply to every game.

You had to change this one:

1. Love interest for the Main Character.

And then this one, which I don't have the original:

3. Alive at the end of the game... Not simply gone, but alive...

So 2 out of your 3 rules have already been shot down before.

I've been using this formula for five years and you're the first person who's had some problem with it...

Not only did I have a problem with it, I already made you change it twice because they were flawed. Did you miss that part? It was right above this one.

Just to give you a heads up, this is going to end up like your other thread. You tried to hold onto your sheltered opinion despite tons of facts pointing out the flaws in your thinking process. Opinion doesn't equal fact, and you're going to get that in here too. In fact you already have, twice. Keep going, and maybe we can get you to change your rules a third time, until they don't look anything like what you've been using for 5 years.

Still waiting for two things:

1. In that first thing I quoted, point out where I was acting like a child in those 4 links. I want specific details based on what I said. Seriously I want to see what you can come up with.

2. Explain how someone is important enough to be called the main character and yet they are still not the main person for their gender.

Edit- Not to mention your 2 threads that you made in the off-topic forum both got deleted. I'm not the only person who has a problem with what you say, I'm just the only person(in here at least) that is calling you out on your "ideas."

[KyubiNoKitsune]

You'll never change my opinion with semantics...
You can argue til you're blue in the face but it won't change my decisions...
Balthier being "cooler" doesn't make him the Main Guy... Even if he actually is cooler...
Celes is the Main Girl because she's in love with Locke, and he's in love with her... It's as simple as that...
I never actually changed the requirements, they are still the same, just reworded so that people like you can understand them Saitou...
Changing one or two words does not change the effect that they have on the system...
Usually the Main Guy is also the Main Character... I never said that they had to be the same person, nor did I say that they couldn't be the same person... You're choosing to play semantics and twist my words around so that they work with what you want to say... That's your perogative, if it's what you want to do, then go ahead... I ask that you not do it here...
And yes... I am choosing the couples because they are the main people for their gender... Tifa-Cloud, Rinoa-Squall, Zidane-Garnet, Yuna-Tidus, Vaan-Penelo, Rosa-Cecil, Celes-Locke... It makes sense to me, and doesn't have to make sense to you to be true...
If you disagree then you don't have to choose, and you certainly don't have to hang around in my thread...
I'm done arguing, I've received one week bans on other forums for arguing with people like you, and I choose to end it here...
If you don't like my system then you certainly don't have to use it, make your own and post your own thread, but stop with the trolling already...
I give up here, if you want to think otherwise, I won't stop you... But it won't change the fact that I think those are the choices... You disagree, I disagree, you disagree, I disagree, it's a vicious cycle and I wish for it to stop...
Let's just call this what's your opinion and be done with it... I don't have the energy for this...

[Hajime Saitou]

:lol:

You'll never change my opinion with semantics...

You and your semantics. That's what you called it in the other thread, see how far that got you?

You can argue til you're blue in the face but it won't change my decisions...

That's cool, you can be wrong.

Celes is the Main Girl because she's in love with Locke, and he's in love with her... It's as simple as that...

So I nailed it. And no it's not as simple as that. It's you smearing your fanboyism all over a public forum. "Main girl" and "girl that you like" are two separate things.

I never actually changed the requirements, they are still the same, just reworded so that people like you can understand them Saitou...

Saying main character and then changing it to main guy is more than just rewording it. Remember how it made you wrong? That's more than helping someone understand it. That's you going back and changing your statement because it was wrong. Key word on wrong. A fact. Celes was not Terra's love interest, which is what your system of 5 years was saying.

Usually the Main Guy is also the Main Character...

So? It wasn't true for 6. And your formula worked for every game supposedly, right?

I never said that they had to be the same person, nor did I say that they couldn't be the same person... You're choosing to play semantics and twist my words around so that they work with what you want to say... That's your perogative, if it's what you want to do, then go ahead... I ask that you not do it here...

Hi, that's what this whole thread is about. I ask that you not do that in public where I can see it.

And yes... I am choosing the couples because they are the main people for their gender... Tifa-Cloud, Rinoa-Squall, Zidane-Garnet, Yuna-Tidus, Vaan-Penelo, Rosa-Cecil, Celes-Locke...

:lol: Ok. Except for Ashe and Terra. I guess you missed that part.

It makes sense to me, and doesn't have to make sense to you to be true...

:lol: But it's not true. Believe it or not, just because something makes sense to you doesn't mean it's true. What you are trying to do is come up with your own rules, and play them off as fact. I am breaking down your rules(successfully twice already) to show that you are presenting opinions and not facts. There is nothing true about your formula.

If you disagree then you don't have to choose, and you certainly don't have to hang around in my thread...

I enjoy hanging around here. I get to read such enlightening material.

I'm done arguing, I've received one week bans on other forums for arguing with people like you, and I choose to end it here...

It's not over until the fat lady sings. Were these other people also pointing out that just about everything you say is wrong? I can imagine you got a ban since you can't ever accept that something you said might be wrong, which you've explicitly stated before.

If you don't like my system then you certainly don't have to use it, make your own and post your own thread

I don't have to make a thread about it, because I don't feel the need to present some fanboyish system and force everyone to vote on it to agree with me. Nor do I feel the need to say that I own all of the numbered FF games, except for the ones that I don't own :rolleyes:. How about instead of me making my own threads, you stop making threads.

but stop with the trolling already...

It's not trolling. Trolling is, "no u," "ur mom" "lawls n00b." That's trolling. I'm pointing out that what you are saying is wrong, then dissecting your argument, and you obviously can't handle it.

I give up here, if you want to think otherwise, I won't stop you... But it won't change the fact that I think those are the choices... You disagree, I disagree, you disagree, I disagree, it's a vicious cycle and I wish for it to stop...

Then either post something of some merit to get me to stop, or just stop posting altogether. Semantics is a load of crap and you know it. Why don't you just come out and say that you have no ability to back up your statements once they fly free from your mouth. Oh wait you just did:

Let's just call this what's your opinion and be done with it... I don't have the energy for this...

Ok, if you don't have the energy for this, then don't introduce such a flawed concept in the first place.

By the way, I have something for you:

1. In that first thing I quoted, point out where I was acting like a child in those 4 links. I want specific details based on what I said. Seriously I want to see what you can come up with.

2. Explain how someone is important enough to be called the main character and yet they are still not the main person for their gender.

You keep making more unsubstantiated arguments without even covering the ones in the past. It's like a giant snowball effect for your threads. You say something wrong, and then you cling to it endlessly. It just gets worse and worse as more and more of your post gets obliterated.

[sfried]

Sorry, but Terra is definately the choice for VI... Because Rule #1 doesn't apply to this game: There is no Main Guy Lead unlike all other FFs VII and up (From Locke, to Edgar, to Sabin, and so on...all characters get the same amount of exposure and focus within the game. And you would be ignoring Cyan's plight and Setzer's own relationship with Daryll if you were to chose Locke over them as the "Main Guy.") In fact, it can be argued there is no main lead at all... Although Terra is still pivotal to the plot.

[KyubiNoKitsune]

I see the validity in your arguement sfried... However, I disagree...
I think that Locke is the Main Guy because in my playtime, he did get the most exposure...
But I see what you mean, until I met Celes, I thought Terra was the Main Girl... But then I met Celes and that all changed... But that's just one man's opinion...
I can respect your opinion as long as you don't say that mine is wrong, or try to change my opinion... Like some people I could name, but won't...
Cyan's plight and Setzer's backstory are interesting and all that... But I think the story of Locke and Rachel is much more interesting... And the deepening love triangle between Locke, Rachel, and Celes makes for great storytelling... Don't you agree?

[Hajime Saitou]

I see the validity in your arguement sfried... However, I disagree...
I think that Locke is the Main Guy because in my playtime, he did get the most exposure...

You mean like the fact that Terra got more exposure than Celes? :rolleyes:

Despite all of the other reasons that you're wrong, of course.

I can respect your opinion as long as you don't say that mine is wrong, or try to change my opinion... Like some people I could name, but won't...

That would be me, and I am proving you wrong. Not your opinion, but your facts. You would have to be blind to have missed all the times I broke your formula.

By the way:

1. In that first thing I quoted, point out where I was acting like a child in those 4 links. I want specific details based on what I said. Seriously I want to see what you can come up with.

2. Explain how someone is important enough to be called the main character and yet they are still not the main person for their gender.

Back up your past statements or stop posting.

It looks like he can't do it after all.

[Nash]

Face the facts, if Terra were never born, there would be no FFVI.

Sure, they 'could' have made a game with all the characters minus Terra, but it wouldn't be the same.

Celes is no more the main character then anyone else in the game. Sure, she does go out and look for everyone else, but Sabin was doing that too.

Locke loves Rachel and only her. It's clear from all his research and adventures to find the power to bring back life.

Celes and Locke are not love interest, they are friends. Locke protects Terra too, does that make him in love with her as well? NO!

It's yer foolish optismistic fanboyism that made you beleive two friends loved each other.

just like the people that think Cloud loves Tifa. It's obvious in his dreams and other crazy mind problems that he has the flower girl on his mind 24/7. Personally I like Tifa a lot more.

[KyubiNoKitsune]

Heh!?
I never said that Terra was a love interest for Locke... And you can't deny that Celes is a love interest for Locke... There are many signs that they love each other... Including the ending where they're actually shown together... They show the names of every character and have little skits for them... Celes and Locke share a skit together... The guy watching over Rachel even tells him to move on... And, if memory serves, he tells Locke to take care of Celes...
I never said that Terra wasn't the Main Character...
I said that, in my opinion, Celes is the Main Girl, and Terra is the Main Character...
And, good God, you don't think that Cloud loves Tifa!?
Have you actually played Final Fantasy VII? Have you seen Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children?
So he thinks about his good friend Aeris, he's in love with Tifa...

[Nash]

Really?

He is in love with Tifa? She throws herself at him at every chance. Every so often, when he looks at Tifa, he instead thinks he is talking to Aeris. Gee, that's a lovely thing to do to someone you supposedly are in love with. Dream about another girl. Tifa should be flattered. They are childhood friends, whoop dee do. Cloud wanted Aeries, because Zack had dated Aeris, and Cloud thinks he is Zac, therefor Cloud likes Aeries, because he think that is how he is suppose to feel.

Plus, in FFT, it's Aeris that he is after, not Tifa.

lolomgwtfpwned~

[Spadesy]

:lol:

I only reply with "Tifa, 'cause she's banging and has a good heart" and everybody else gets in long winded discussions about the drama of the characters in different Final Fantasies.

"These.......are the Days of our Lives."

:lol:

[KyubiNoKitsune]

He never knew that Aeris had dated Zack... Sure Zack mentions "That girl in Midgar...", but he never says her name...
It's all in the way you play the game, actually... It's which girl spends the most time right next to Cloud in the party... It's which girl you are the nicest to... There's a sort of relationship point system in FF VII, it determines which girl you take on a date at Gold Saucer... And also, according to a good friend, it can affect the storyline...

To clear up some confusion, I've decided to post you two lists...
The one on the left is decided by the system... The one on the right is what would happen if I had my way, as so many of you seem to want...
I: Princess Sarah/Princess Sarah
II: Maria/Maria
III: Refia/Refia
IV: Rosa/Rydia
V: Lenna/Krile
VI: Celes/Celes
VII: Tifa/Yuffie
VIII: Rinoa/Selphie
IX: Garnet-Dagger/Garnet-Dagger
X: Yuna/Rikku
X-2: Yuna/Rikku
XII: Penelo/Vaan
So... As you can clearly see, while I may not personally agree with every choice, I sit back and take it... Although, if I did have my way many Secondary Girls would be promoted to Main Girl...

And, Nash, while I may respect your opinion, and I see what you're saying... I think it's wrong... And that's just my opinion... You don't have to like it, but you do have to respect it... This is all I ask...

[Kali-chan]

I am shocked nothing happened to this thread...

[Haruhi]

Since this thread is going nowhere short of a series of annoying flames, I'mma close it.