Windows Vienna new OS out in 2009 not joking.

[Lacan]

Yes thats right a few weeks after Windows Vista just came out, microsoft is already planning their next generation OS to come out in late 2009.

I was planning to buy Windows Vista Home Premium soon, but I guess I'll wait and get a new PC in 2009 that has Windows Vienna in it.

Check out the internet, there is alot of sites talking about it already.

[Bernard_Monsha]

YAY! more fail from Microsoft!

[Lord Dagoth]

I don't really see the point in Microsoft announcing it so early..

[CrossboneGundam]

What comes after that? Windows Prague? Windows Venice?

[Bernard_Monsha]

What comes after that? Windows Prague? Windows Venice?

Windows Potted Meat!

[Bradster]

Well, Vista seems to be little more than the latest SP to XP, except for the fact you've got to pay for it. Maybe it'll meet the same fate as Coaster ME.

[Hajime Saitou]

It would be better if they released it now, as it would probably still work better than Vista does. Also don't get home premium using the vista family discount, they don't work.

YAY! more fail from Microsoft!

^ What he said

[Bernard_Monsha]

Well, Vista seems to be little more than the latest SP to XP, except for the fact you've got to pay for it. Maybe it'll meet the same fate as Coaster ME.

No it is worse they have an administrative setting that locks you out of everything and your average end user cannot grasp why Vista will not let him do anything.

[Hajime Saitou]

What I was talking about: http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/02/01/239242.shtml
http://neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=37734

Most likely what Bernard was referencing: http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1205188121;fp;4194304;fpid;1

Vista is a security nightmare, and besides that it hardly does what it is supposed to do. Vienna being released so soon makes me think that Microsoft is going to try to brush Vista under the rug because they know they screwed up.

[germanturkey]

windows blows, OS X leopard ftw... better than vista in every way, cause you can't be better than what you copy :P

[Hajime Saitou]

windows blows, OS X leopard ftw... better than vista in every way, cause you can't be better than what you copy :P

I wouldn't say that all of windows blows, that sounds too much like flamebait. However, I have been using windows for about 15 years now, yet I wouldn't even think of getting Vista. Microsoft really dropped the ball on this one. They were too busy putting in all of their lovely DRM and authentication checks to actually make a secure OS that works.

[Soluzar]

I agree with Bradster. Windows Vista is going to be the next Windows ME. Look at it from the perspective of Window XP as the rightful inheritor of Windows 98. The popular mainstream Windows that actually does work for a lot of people, in spite of flaws. Then it becomes obvious they are gonna need to crank out a few more versions before there's one worth going for.

I'm just hoping that either Vienna, or Praque, or Vatican City or something like that turns out to be the next Win 2k Pro. That'll be my next port of call. If not, then I'll keep using XP until it becomes problematic for me to do so.

I wouldn't infect my PC with Windows Vista if you paid me. The same is true of Windows ME. They present too great of a risk of not being able to use the important apps that I use all the time. I'm not willing to take that risk. In the case of ME it was because it was a horribly unstable and buggy OS. In the case of Vista it's that plus these horrible new security features. It's my goddamn PC, I'm not going to ask for permission to use it.

[Warabit]

wow, this is wierd. Glad I never looked Vista's way. Won't DX10 only work for Vista though?

[Hajime Saitou]

I agree with Bradster. Windows Vista is going to be the next Windows ME. Look at it from the perspective of Window XP as the rightful inheritor of Windows 98. The popular mainstream Windows that actually does work for a lot of people, in spite of flaws. Then it becomes obvious they are gonna need to crank out a few more versions before there's one worth going for.

I'm just hoping that either Vienna, or Praque, or Vatican City or something like that turns out to be the next Win 2k Pro. That'll be my next port of call. If not, then I'll keep using XP until it becomes problematic for me to do so.

I wouldn't infect my PC with Windows Vista if you paid me. The same is true of Windows ME. They present too great of a risk of not being able to use the important apps that I use all the time. I'm not willing to take that risk. In the case of ME it was because it was a horribly unstable and buggy OS. In the case of Vista it's that plus these horrible new security features. It's my goddamn PC, I'm not going to ask for permission to use it.

You know it's bad when not even windows users will buy this. :lol:

[{NG}Fidel]

Windows Venice is an upgrade to windows Vista.
It Implements Windows FS along with other features previousl cut.
It is not an entirely new OS.
And no it wont be the next me due to many changes within the OS.
and DX10 alone.

[Ashitaka]

I just bought a laptop and it came standard with Windows Vista and I can honestly say that I hate it. They spent so much time workingon the eyecandy desktop that it looses all functionality.

And then theres the "Are you sure" almost every time you want to run a program. Then theres the fact that they renamed EVERYTHING.

I can honestly say that you can spend quite a good amount of time just looking around trying to find where they moved everything.

[Evil_Koala]

Windows 95 FTW!!!

[Hajime Saitou]

Then theres the fact that they renamed EVERYTHING.

I can honestly say that you can spend quite a good amount of time just looking around trying to find where they moved everything.

Reminds me of when I first used XP. "WTF? Where did My Computer go?" :lol:

[Suiko Eiji]

Reminds me of when I first used XP. "WTF? Where did My Computer go?" :lol:

I did that at work, too. When I installed XP on my home systems, I changed everything to the "Classic" layout, but when I got a new system at work I was confused for a second because I had to change the layout.

2009, eh? Most of MS's really bad OS releases have a fairly short life. WinME (Chernobyl, as I nicknamed it) was only around for two or three years, IIRC. I still really liked 2000 and if I find some legit OEMs in a bargain bin, I might pick one or two up. NT is still fairly unheard of.

Although, with much of the shennanigans that MS seems to be pulling with the new OSes, I'm more and more leaning to a Linux/Unix distro.

[{NG}Fidel]

Then theres the fact that they renamed EVERYTHING.

I can honestly say that you can spend quite a good amount of time just looking around trying to find where they moved everything.
You can turn off the UAC in Vista Easily.
One click to remove that all.
Its not just an eye candy upgrade though.

[Bernard_Monsha]

You can turn off the UAC in Vista Easily.
One click to remove that all.
Its not just an eye candy upgrade though.

99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999% of people cannot use a mouse properly. So saying disableing something is easy is like saying a colostomy is easy to perform on yourself with a pipe wrench and some silly putty.

[germanturkey]

well, maybe vista isn't garbage, but everything you can do on vista you can do on tiger (the current gen one, not leopard, the next gen) they essentially took spotlight, widgits, cool looking interfaces, and various other unique things from tiger and implemented it into vista...

one thing i'm looking forward to: time machine in leopard... its ridic.. plus with bootcamp, i can have xp to play games on, but still have tiger/leopard for its much-better-than-windowness

[Hajime Saitou]

well, maybe vista isn't garbage, but everything you can do on vista you can do on tiger (the current gen one, not leopard, the next gen) they essentially took spotlight, widgits, cool looking interfaces, and various other unique things from tiger and implemented it into vista...

one thing i'm looking forward to: time machine in leopard... its ridic.. plus with bootcamp, i can have xp to play games on, but still have tiger/leopard for its much-better-than-windowness

I wasn't trying to say that Vista is garbage(because it is), but that saying that all of windows was garbage was an exaggeration.

I did that at work, too. When I installed XP on my home systems, I changed everything to the "Classic" layout, but when I got a new system at work I was confused for a second because I had to change the layout.

I also changed everything back to classic. I laughed and cried at the same time when it gave me a hard time trying to open the C: drive for the first time...and then the program files folder. :rolleyes: It was a pain to get used to, but it's a pretty decent OS. It's been getting polished for years, and there isn't a good reason to switch to Vista. Even without all of the negative, the positive in Vista doesn't warrant an upgrade.

[Bradster]

Won't DX10 only work for Vista though?

That's what I'm wondering, and it's pretty high on my fear list. I don't play games as much as I used to, and I've never really played the FPS, online, and RTS games that would really need the fancy-schmancy DX10- but if this Games for Windows crap means that I'll eventually have to choose between getting a higher DX thru this OS or not playing the better games at all... I dunno. I suppose every drug addict has to face this question now and then, whether or not they're strong enough to kick the habit that'll eventually kill them...

[Hajime Saitou]

That's what I'm wondering, and it's pretty high on my fear list. I don't play games as much as I used to, and I've never really played the FPS, online, and RTS games that would really need the fancy-schmancy DX10- but if this Games for Windows crap means that I'll eventually have to choose between getting a higher DX thru this OS or not playing the better games at all... I dunno. I suppose every drug addict has to face this question now and then, whether or not they're strong enough to kick the habit that'll eventually kill them...

Considering the risks of using the OS, I would not do it. My recommendation is to get a separate computer, and do nothing with it except play games. Don't check your e-mail, don't write anything personal on it, don't do any online activity you wouldn't want anyone to know about, etc. That is the only way I can see this working if you are concerned about using Vista(which you should be) and wanting to use DX10 at the same time.

[Leader Desslock]

That's what I'm wondering, and it's pretty high on my fear list. I don't play games as much as I used to, and I've never really played the FPS, online, and RTS games that would really need the fancy-schmancy DX10- but if this Games for Windows crap means that I'll eventually have to choose between getting a higher DX thru this OS or not playing the better games at all... I dunno. I suppose every drug addict has to face this question now and then, whether or not they're strong enough to kick the habit that'll eventually kill them...
I've got no problems making that choice. If it comes between a stable machine or being able to play the newest games, then I'll take my stable machine, thanks.

I still haven't found a reason to install XP, much less Vista. The name "Vienna" isn't enough to make me want to change. Now, if they named it "Windows Instanbul (not Constantinople)" and changed the startup chime to a WAV of the TMBG cover, I might upgrade. Nothing short of that inspires me to pay for another Windows OS, however.

[Hara!]

OSX is overrated.
Vienna is too soon.
And it takes like 3 months for them to make a new version of Ubuntu, which means upgrades at least twice a year...

Man, I hate OS´s

[{NG}Fidel]

well, maybe vista isn't garbage, but everything you can do on vista you can do on tiger (the current gen one, not leopard, the next gen) they essentially took spotlight, widgits, cool looking interfaces, and various other unique things from tiger and implemented it into vista...
They took what was good.
But those are just on the surface OS Features.
Windows networking and other aspects of the kernel have been rewritten so its not some simple shiny glamour upgrade. Tiger and Leopard are good but Windows is liked for a diffrent reason. And with a 175% sales jump in the PC bussiness due to vista. I think its going fine.

Considering the risks of using the OS, I would not do it. My recommendation is to get a separate computer, and do nothing with it except play games. Don't check your e-mail, don't write anything personal on it, don't do any online activity you wouldn't want anyone to know about, etc. That is the only way I can see this working if you are concerned about using Vista(which you should be) and wanting to use DX10 at the same time.
Wow you guys are crazy....
Windows is unsecure if your a big fool. Fact is Ive been running Xp without any virus protection on 4 PCs for 3 years without an issue. No Viri to speak of. Regardless if thats not your style then get a diffrent "Stable" Os to use on another PC. I for one recomend getting my father and mother macs due to their age and computer ineptness. For me its nothing but windows as a hardware enthusiast I dont need to explain why.

And for the last time Vienne is a OS Refresh sorta like SP2 refrshed XP.

[superplough]

i didnt have windows xp until after they'd released serivce pack 2, and i was planning to do that with vista also. but if theyre gonna release vienna in 2009... i dont like where this is going

[Haro!]

As a OSX user I don't mind the 2 year deal. I mean weren't 10.3 and 10.4 like a year and a half apart? In that sense it doesn't seem too ludacris (ha ha make fun of that if you want). I think we all sort of got used to the 5 year thing. However I do hope they address most short comings right off the bat. They got the looks down with Vista, they just gotta make it work now.

[Sharp-kun]

Currently running Vista and loving it.

The news about Vienna is nothing new, its been known for a few months and expected ever since some features were cut from vista for further development.

windows blows, OS X leopard ftw... better than vista in every way, cause you can't be better than what you copy :P
Can OS X play my games? Can OS X support my obscure yet essential software? No, it can't.

Considering the risks of using the OS, I would not do it. My recommendation is to get a separate computer, and do nothing with it except play games. Don't check your e-mail, don't write anything personal on it, don't do any online activity you wouldn't want anyone to know about, etc. That is the only way I can see this working if you are concerned about using Vista(which you should be) and wanting to use DX10 at the same time.
Care to detail these risks?

As it is you come across as a silly scaremonger who doesn't know what he's talking about.

[Suiko Eiji]

Now, if they named it "Windows Instanbul (not Constantinople)" and changed the startup chime to a WAV of the TMBG cover, I might upgrade. Nothing short of that inspires me to pay for another Windows OS, however.

XD

I suppose it'd be better than "Windows Panmunjom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panmunjom)". It's a complete security lock-down and comes complete with its own DMZ.

I think I just discovered my Senior Project...

[Ken-Ohki]

YAY! more fail from Microsoft!

You're by far my favorite mod ^_^

[Soluzar]

You're by far my favorite mod ^_^
What I like about Bernard is that he's unbiased. He hates Windows, Mac OS, and Linux with almost equal fervor.

[Lacan]

What I like about Bernard is that he's unbiased. He hates Windows, Mac OS, and Linux with almost equal fervor.

Then what does he run his computer on if he hates them all?

[Shiroiyuki]

Now, if they named it "Windows Instanbul (not Constantinople)" and changed the startup chime to a WAV of the TMBG cover, I might upgrade. Nothing short of that inspires me to pay for another Windows OS, however.

OMG! They Might Be Giants!

"Every gal in Constantinople, Lives in Istanbul, not Constantinople. So if you've a date in Constantinople--She'll be waiting in Istanbul"

*sings and dances*

Yes. Just, yes.

Personally I know crap about computers and software. I'm just happy that the damn thing doesn't explode when I press the Power switch. I have XP right now though, doesn't really bother me. Although to be honest, I don't really know better. Ignorance is bliss, eh?

[Soluzar]

Then what does he run his computer on if he hates them all?
Probably Windows. I hate them all too, but I hate Windows the least at the moment. Everything is made for Windows. Any other operating system is exactly that. Just another OS. It's not Windows, and 90% of the software out there wasn't written specifically for it.

Hell even most of the free software created for Linux has Windows versions which work very nicely.

[Gray]

OSX Is overrated and every Mac fanboy is jumping on windows because of Vista.
Personally, i hate Vista. I would never use it if you paid me, but that dosent mean Macintosh is some shining light in a dim world. All macintosh has done is create commericals, that directly flame MS. No indirect comments, or attempts at humor. And yet, you don't see MS retailiating in any way. All they have done is launch thier OS. Probably becuase they have the sales of XP to back it up, and im sure someone will quote me on this, but look up sales of XP Compared to Macintosh's recent OS systems. You dont get OSX service pack 1, or 2, or 3. No, you get "ZOMG! TIGER IS TEH PWN" When, its not. It's an overrated upgrade. At least MS tries to improve thier desktop layout, the only thing macintosh has 'updated' over countless years is making it look all white, and steamlined, and addning that stupid pop up bar thing on the bottm.

So yea, i support windows full, but why does that give anyone the right to bash they OS they create? IF you as a person like it, then why should anyone else have the right to say what they use is better. I buy things becuase I like them, not becuase YOU like them.

[germanturkey]

^^ why break something that works? windows needed to change their layout cause it was jumbled and behind the times. and what do you mean, they don't update anything? they've upgraded the platform its built on, they upgraded features, they've upgraded almost everything when they moved from 9.8 (which was trashy) to os x. while 10.1, 10.2, 10.3 and 10.4 might not be new Os's they do much more and improve a lot more than SP 2 and 3 (is 3 even out?) will ever dream of doing. you actually get progression when you buy new versions of os x, rather than something m$ calls progression but doesn't really work in sp's.

Sharp.. two words.. "boot" "camp." i'm not insulting you or anything, but you should really look into that... lets you run xp on your apple with all the same features and amenities

[Leader Desslock]

OSX Is overrated and every Mac fanboy is jumping on windows because of Vista.
Several of us Mac fans really aren't overrating OSX, nor are we jumping on Windows just because of Vista.

I like OS X because it works for what I need to do, it stays out of my way, and it's stable. I also like Win2k Pro for the same reasons. I'm currently running both, and I can't say I use one more than the other.

I haven't had a single reason to upgrade to XP. Not one. Until I find a reason to upgrade to XP, I can't imagine why I'd bother upgrading to Vista. There's nothing I need to do that can't be done on my existing operating systems.

I don't see how that's "bashing Windows", nor "overrating OS X". It's just a realistic expression of "I choose the OS that suits my functional requirements". What other criteria would I use?

[Suiko Eiji]

Sharp.. two words.. "boot" "camp." i'm not insulting you or anything, but you should really look into that... lets you run xp on your apple with all the same features and amenities

It's dual-booting with a default setting. That's it.

[Sharp-kun]

Sharp.. two words.. "boot" "camp." i'm not insulting you or anything, but you should really look into that... lets you run xp on your apple with all the same features and amenities
Then I'm paying ridiculous prices for hardware - No thanks. Also it doesn't address my point - OS X's compatibility and software library sucks. Yes, I can reboot to Windows, but the problem is still there.

My usage is such that duel booting and emulating is not ideal. I have a lot of background processes like torrents that I don't like to interrupt. I don't want to reboot every time I want to use winhiip or some other app that Apple doesn't like.

[Bernard_Monsha]

What I like about Bernard is that he's unbiased. He hates Windows, Mac OS, and Linux with almost equal fervor.


I work in technical support so i run into problems day in and day out. Today I had a Linux user running Fedora who did not know what CUPS was. I told him to buy Linux for Dummies read it understand it then call me back. I generally hate the users more than the OS.


For the record I am the only person in the world who has Windows Mistake Edition installed for 6 years with no issues. I should be in the Guinness Book of World records!!!!!!

[Hajime Saitou]

Wow you guys are crazy....
Windows is unsecure if your a big fool. Fact is Ive been running Xp without any virus protection on 4 PCs for 3 years without an issue. No Viri to speak of. Regardless if thats not your style then get a diffrent "Stable" Os to use on another PC. I for one recomend getting my father and mother macs due to their age and computer ineptness. For me its nothing but windows as a hardware enthusiast I dont need to explain why.

And for the last time Vienne is a OS Refresh sorta like SP2 refrshed XP.

Actually it's called being informed. My recommendation is a feasable way to tame Vista without taking any risk. It is expensive and not everyone can do it, but it's the best that I have come up with. Also I have not made one remark about XP. Fact is: I wouldn't say that all of windows blows, that sounds too much like flamebait.

I dislike windows XP for all of it's gimicks(see my above post), but it is still a damn good OS. It is indeed stable. I hardly ever crash, however viruses and the sort are the result of your other security. Patching holes only does so much. Microsoft finally got it right with XP, and then they release Vista which is a massive step down. I am happy to stick with XP for as long as it is supported, and then I will most likely check out what a Mac and Linux have to offer.

Edit- Care to detail these risks?

As it is you come across as a silly scaremonger who doesn't know what he's talking about.

I only come across as a scaremonger if you don't like what I'm saying. I'm not the only person in this thread who has said bad things about Vista but you chose to single me out. But if you want, here you go, and not from me since I'm a scaremonger:
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/drm_in_windows.html
http://news.com.com/2061-10805_3-6157801.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5&subj=news
http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/02/07/0219212.shtml
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/02/07/symantec_thompson_microsoft/
http://www.alex-ionescu.com/?p=24
http://tech.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1255537.php/Windows_install_glitch_could_save_hundre ds_of_dollars
http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/02/01/239242.shtml
http://neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=37734
http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128660/article.html
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/31/2421/61170
http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1205188121;fp;4194304;fpid;1
http://www.itpro.co.uk/news/102716/malware-more-compatible-with-vista-than-antimalware-products.html

[Sharp-kun]

http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2007/02/drm_in_windows.html
Rubbish. MS wants to own the entertainment industry? DRM is in as if its not, Vista can't play new content as Hollywood is pressing ahead whether MS want it or not. XP, Mac OS and Linux can't legitimatly play DRM encoded discs.

Secondly the DRM in Vista is entirely dormant unless software chooses to activate it. It hardly cripples the OS.

http://news.com.com/2061-10805_3-6157801.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-5&subj=news
And? Some hardware won't work? Why does this supercede the benefits of metadata - something you have to do yourself. Don't use it if you don't want to.
http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/02/07/0219212.shtml

McAfee's failed as well. So Vista's anti virus software is on the same standard as one of the oldest companies doing it. Simply install another anti-virus, most people won't use the MS one anyway, the same as it was with the XP firewall.

http://www.alex-ionescu.com/?p=24
Not American. Doesn't affect me.

http://tech.monstersandcritics.com/news/article_1255537.php/Windows_install_glitch_could_save_hundre ds_of_dollars
And this is bad, how? I get Vista legit free anyway, but what's your point here?

http://it.slashdot.org/it/07/02/01/239242.shtml
http://neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=37734
Not an OS Issue....

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,128660/article.html
Bad, but they admit in the same article that their software is possibly just as bad. Also this isn't a Vista issue. XP also suffers from spyware. Windows Defender isn't perfect, but then neither are most anti-spyware programs.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1/31/2421/61170
I actually laughted out loud when I first read this on the BBC.

1) Any OS folder is protected, so it can't be deleted via voice.
2) To delete unprotected files such as documents, they'd have to know the file name.
3) My sister standing behind me is a bigger threat in this regard.

[QUOTE=HajimeSaitou;6046673]http://www.computerworld.com.au/index.php/id;1205188121;fp;4194304;fpid;1
I would agree on this, but with a simple tweak UAC becomes far less intrusive.


http://www.itpro.co.uk/news/102716/malware-more-compatible-with-vista-than-antimalware-products.html
An issue yes, but the same malware is also a threat on existing OS's. Vista's main flaw is that companies haven't caught up yet. Also common sense stops 99% of malware. ;)



Have you run vista at all? A beta? One of the RC's? Have you any experience with how it actually runs. Several of these articles claim it cripples your PC. That would be why WoW is running faster then :rolleyes:

[Hajime Saitou]

I wouldn't use WoW running faster as a good example of OS performance. But it does seem like you know how to use a computer, which is a problem. Bernard said it best earlier: 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999999999 9999999999999999999999999999999999% of people cannot use a mouse properly. So saying disableing something is easy is like saying a colostomy is easy to perform on yourself with a pipe wrench and some silly putty.

Microsoft taking the first step with it's terrible security software and restrictive OS are going to hurt the average joe. Windows is not known as the OS for people who know what they're doing.

You say that most people don't use the windows firewall, but I think that's wrong. People will use these tools as their only security, and they are going to suffer because of it. I would like to say that everyone is educated on how to use a computer, but that would be a lie. People just take whatever information is given to them, and that's it. "Oh, Vista has more than enough to protect me, I'll just go with that."

You hit the nail on the head towards the end of your post. Vista's main flaw is that companies haven't caught up yet.

They haven't caught up yet, and it's not going to be easy for them to do so either. Vista should not have been released in the state that it's in.

You did read and respond to every link I posted, but I have a question for you. No I have not and will not ever use Vista, but why did you upgrade to Vista. What crucial feature did it have that you needed? Despite all of the negative aspects of it, there aren't any must have components in Vista that warrant an upgrade from the already well rounded XP.

[Sharp-kun]

I wouldn't use WoW running faster as a good example of OS performance.
Quick example, the OS in general runs very smoothly, even with Aero on and on two displays.

Windows is not known as the OS for people who know what they're doing.
No, but its far more usable than the "OS's for people that know what they're doing". I need applications. Linux cannot provide.
"Oh, Vista has more than enough to protect me, I'll just go with that."
Which in the future may be fine. Its just out so I'm willing to cut some slack.

Vista should not have been released in the state that it's in.
The only problem I have with Vista's current state is the UAC.

The only way to have security companies properly support your software is to get it out there. If you say you're not releasing it for another x months they will use that x months. In that time new threats will appear, so more time to develop, then that repeats.

but why did you upgrade to Vista.
1) Its free for me.
2) Its shiny. ;)
3) I like to try new software. Being familiar with it is very useful in many situations. Same reason I'm getting used to Office 07.
What crucial feature did it have that you needed?
Shiny and experience.
Despite all of the negative aspects of it, there aren't any must have components in Vista that warrant an upgrade from the already well rounded XP.
A lot of the negative aspects are greatly overstated. I ran the beta then the rc with no problems.

[master terrence]

Was there this many issues when 98/ME/XP came out?

95 > all OS's :P

So saying disableing something is easy is like saying a colostomy is easy to perform on yourself with a pipe wrench and some silly putty.

O RLY? http://a876.g.akamai.net/7/876/1448/v00001/images.webmd.com/images/hw/media69/medical/hw/nr551751.jpg

Just add tape and you're done.

clearly kidding

[Sharp-kun]

Was there this many issues when 98/ME/XP came out?

95 > all OS's
Oh yes. Each new Windows release is universally reviled.

[Hajime Saitou]

No, but its far more usable than the "OS's for people that know what they're doing". I need applications. Linux cannot provide.

No argument here on that one. However the point is it's usable for someone like you and I who knows about computers and technology in general.

Which in the future may be fine. Its just out so I'm willing to cut some slack.

It may be fine in the future, but right now it isn't. It's more imporant these days to have something be relatively secure before you put it out. It was just put out, but like I said XP gets the job done easily so MS had all the time in the world to hold it back until it was ready.

The only problem I have with Vista's current state is the UAC.

Once again no argument here.

The only way to have security companies properly support your software is to get it out there. If you say you're not releasing it for another x months they will use that x months. In that time new threats will appear, so more time to develop, then that repeats.

I partially disagree with this. It is definitely easier for the large number of users to contribute malware reports than it is for the comparably small number of people working at the security companies to scour the internet for all of the bad stuff, but that is still their job. It is possible to get proper support from them if you work together, which is something that Vista is not making easy.

1) Its free for me.
2) Its shiny. ;)
3) I like to try new software. Being familiar with it is very useful in many situations. Same reason I'm getting used to Office 07.

Shiny and experience.

I won't take this one seriously as it probably wasn't meant to be. I guess you didn't really need it, but just wanted to try it since it was free. Not really helping it look important, but ok.

A lot of the negative aspects are greatly overstated. I ran the beta then the rc with no problems.

They are overstated only in that you have not encountered them yet. I see you like to play games. I constantly see something idiotic(I'm not calling you this at all) on gaming message boards. Most new games require patches to fix problems at launch. Many times, a lot of people can't play them at all. Yet you always see some fanboy jump in, with terrible grammar and spelling, saying, "Well it works fine for me so there isn't anything wrong with it."

That's kind of what you're doing here. Some of these problems may not affect you, but that doesn't change the fact that they are there. Once again many people are going to be hurting after using Vista's security software as their only protection. UAC is also going to be a pain in the ***. Anyone who knows about computers certainly knows that many different tools are required, but the number of people who don't know what they're doing far outweigh the number of people who do.

Oh yes. Each new Windows release is universally reviled.

Once again I disagree with this. He is asking if there were this many problems, not if people hate new versions of windows.

Yes everyone hates on windows, most of the time just to be a fanboy. However, this time, Vista really is worse off than its previous versions.

Edit- Ok, not worse than ME though.

[Soluzar]

Was there this many issues when 98/ME/XP came out?

95 > all OS's :P
Windows 95 doesn't even support USB, so it's not an OS that I would willingly go back to, except at the point of a gun.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Windows 95 doesn't even support USB, so it's not an OS that I would willingly go back to, except at the point of a gun.

It also had tiny partitions. Think of your downloads on 12 different partitions.


Windows 3.1 >>>>>>> everything else because it had the Gorilla game.

[Hajime Saitou]

It also had tiny partitions. Think of your downloads on 12 different partitions.


Windows 3.1 >>>>>>> everything else because it had the Gorilla game.

To be fair, people didn't usually have giant HD's back then, and the average app didn't take up that much space.

[Soluzar]

It also had tiny partitions. Think of your downloads on 12 different partitions.
Oh god! I forgot about the days when you couldn't have a partition bigger than 2GB. That seems tiny now. I don't think I could even get all my essentials into a 2GB partition, much less the unimportant crap like downloads.

[Gannon]

Then what does he run his computer on if he hates them all?

The Love Machine.

[Gray]

It also had tiny partitions. Think of your downloads on 12 different partitions.


Windows 3.1 >>>>>>> everything else because it had the Gorilla game.

Haha, i have this insanely old Compaq Laptop that has windows 3.1. I definatly remember that game, as well as this one where you had a cannon, and would adjust your height and stuff, and try to shoot the other persons cannon. And then the one where you we're a little base thing, and you had to shoot those paratrooper guys that would jump out of planes XD

Anyway *cough* uh, back on the subject.... well if you think about it, its fairly useless to argue the point. I mean, sure you can bash Vista, or you can Bash Mac all you want, but to the person that enjoy's to use OSX, or Vista, your insults/remaks mean nothing since that is the OS that suits them. These topics are getting really, really old. They should all be locked before anyone even gets the chance to say anything because they all end in a flame war bewtween the mac fanboys and the windows fanboys.

[Amuro]

It seems to me like casual computer geeks treat Microsoft the way that casual anime fans treat American animation.. (and treat Apple the way that casual anime fans treat Japan)

Quote from Michael Crichton's Rising Sun:
In Japan, things work.

[Hajime Saitou]

They should all be locked before anyone even gets the chance to say anything because they all end in a flame war bewtween the mac fanboys and the windows fanboys.

Except that neither of those sides are present. I'm a windows user bashing just Vista, and Sharp-kun doesn't strike me as a fanboy at all. Information is being presented as to why you should or shouldn't use Vista. There have only been a few inflammatory statements made so far and they were generally one sentence or less.

[Bernard_Monsha]

The Love Machine.


That was my nic name until the city clinic came knocking on my door one day.

[Hara!]

For the record I am the only person in the world who has Windows Mistake Edition installed for 6 years with no issues. I should be in the Guinness Book of World records!!!!!!

If I told a mod to go to hell, would I get banned? ^_^

That was my first OS, and honestly, ME is the poster boy for any bad OS ever.

[Lacan]

The reason why I posted this topic is because I just heard the news and I was shocked, because I was going to buy Windows Vista Home Premium Full Version today, but instead just bought alot of retro games, and alot of anime, then save the rest for some other time.

[Hajime Saitou]

The reason why I posted this topic is because I just heard the news and I was shocked, because I was going to buy Windows Vista Home Premium Full Version today, but instead just bought alot of retro games, and alot of anime, then save the rest for some other time.

They refer to that as "dodging a bullet." At least in my opinion. If you intend to get it, then at least give it a little bit of time to let it develop first. There's no reason to jump on this at all. There may be some time in the future, but right now it does not do anything that is essential to a normal home user.

[Haro!]

For the record I am the only person in the world who has Windows Mistake Edition installed for 6 years with no issues. I should be in the Guinness Book of World records!!!!!!

I'll be the first to admit I don't know sh** about computers but that just gave me a challenge I'm tempted to do. Does anyone have a coaster that says "Windows ME" laying around?

[Hara!]

I'll be the first to admit I don't know sh** about computers but that just gave me a challenge I'm tempted to do. Does anyone have a coaster that says "Windows ME" laying around?

A mousepad? Or a PC? I have a PC running ME, but it can´t do ****.

[SDAnimeFan]

I'll probably still will be using XP when this so called Vienna whir to come out.

[LidLESS~2K7]

Word to the wise..... if you install Vista, BE PREPAIRED FOR MAJOR COMPATABILITY ISSUES! I went to best buy in 06 and bought a new computer that claimed it was Vista Capable. It is but ALOT of the software and hardware had driver compatability issues. It took me 3 days of finding new drivers so that it would all work properly. Its still ok though:P

[CanonRAP]

I've heard pretty much nothing but bad things about Vista since launch day. Pretty much the only reason I'd get Vista is DX10 (why couldn't they just make Halo 2 work on DX9? Besides profit?) since I am a frequent gamer, but...that's about it.

[{NG}Fidel]

Ive been hearing both good and bad.
Personally all the terrible issues IVe heard are more of driver issues with companies that have no excuse when they had about a year and a half to beta test them for consumers. Ill give it six months and then Ill jump on the Vista bandwagon.
The things DX10 can do look great imo.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Ive been hearing both good and bad.
Personally all the terrible issues IVe heard are more of driver issues with companies that have no excuse when they had about a year and a half to beta test them for consumers.

What you mean that steaming pile of **** they called a Beta test? They still had close to 20% of the Known bugs 6 months before launch. You expect me to try to write code for something like that?

[{NG}Fidel]

Several companies did it and their are certain cases in which it was unexcusable. Nvidia? they have had a DX10 Graphics card for at least 6 months and still no real drivers for it. Unless by real you want non WHQl and tons of cut out functionality. Im not telling you Vista is some cakewalk without problems but it isnt all Mircosofts fault they have to make the first push or these companies wont follow through.

[Headcrab]

I work in technical support so i run into problems day in and day out. Today I had a Linux user running Fedora who did not know what CUPS was. I told him to buy Linux for Dummies read it understand it then call me back. I generally hate the users more than the OS.


For the record I am the only person in the world who has Windows Mistake Edition installed for 6 years with no issues. I should be in the Guinness Book of World records!!!!!!

So your a desk jocky? You won't get a raise if you insult your callers:P

[Bernard_Monsha]

So your a desk jocky? You won't get a raise if you insult your callers:P


No they do not consider that insulting. My company is not EB friendly and has a low tollerence for any type of asshattery.

[Headcrab]

Well Microsoft may say 2009, but what they mean is 2012.

[Gannon]

That was my nic name until the city clinic came knocking on my door one day.

:lol: :lol:

[Bernard_Monsha]

:lol: :lol:

I figure you would be the one person who knows what I am talking about :naughty:

[earsofdoom]

Wow.... a new operating system in less then 2 years after vista? A bit early isn't it?

[HSaabedra]

No they do not consider that insulting. My company is not EB friendly and has a low tollerence for any type of asshattery.

As a former employee of this company, he speaks truth. :lol:

[Soluzar]

I figure you would be the one person who knows what I am talking about :naughty:
He knows your pain. He has a communicable case of Lewd that's had a devastating effect on his relationships.

[Tiran]

I have to say, while it is purely personal testimony again, I've been running Vista for quite a while now with no issues at all, using it for coding, games and general internet browsing and writing etc.

This isn't a windows vs whatever argument, so I will refrain from making any comments on Vistas' comparison to anything else.

[Sharp-kun]

I have to say, while it is purely personal testimony again, I've been running Vista for quite a while now with no issues at all, using it for coding, games and general internet browsing and writing etc.

This isn't a windows vs whatever argument, so I will refrain from making any comments on Vistas' comparison to anything else.
Coward :P ;)

[HSaabedra]

Coward :P ;)

LOL. I'm waiting for VLite to come out of beta before I start messing with Vista.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Yeah, I think it is great Microsoft releases the NT version of ME.

[Hara!]

Wow.... a new operating system in less then 2 years after vista? A bit early isn't it?

Not really, considering Apple released what, 3, in the time it took to make Vista?

[fujyoshi]

<,< and I just got vista....