Gundam 0083 - shallow? [Archive]

Area88

January 13th, 2007, 09:20 AM

Just watched Gundam 0083 and here is my opinion:

+ Great Artwork and Animation
+ Fantastic Soundtrack particularly the openings and closings

- Plot is very basic with little to no justification for certain actions
- Huge lack of characterisation makes characters seem one dimensional
- Slow pace (very little is achieved over the high episode count)

Overall i was very disappointed and suprised this was a UC show. This series had a lot of potential especially during the early episodes but as the show progressed my disappointment increased greatly as the series appeared to be going relatively nowhere and when it did it turned out to be nothing more than a huge cliche. It was also extremely frustrating to see the romantic sub plot tossed a side.

Conclusion - Overall I found Gundam 0083 to be a very medicore show. The complexities and angst i would expect from UC Gundam show were simply not present here. If all your looking for is a bit of light drama than 0083 will suffice but if you want a more complete product than i would recommend Gundam Zeta

Bernard_Monsha

January 13th, 2007, 10:00 AM

It is the worst of the OVA's but my namesake comes from it. In particular I hate Kou Uraki fit throwing. It is probably why I like Monsha so much is he screws with hits Kou whenever possible.

Amuro

January 13th, 2007, 10:24 AM

Well, I wouldn't really call it any less respectable than the 08th MS Team, and I'd say that I generally found it more entertaining.

0080 I'm personally not too big a fan of, and the characters in that particular series were about as cliched as 0083's to my eyes.. they were just cliches unlike those that we typically see in a Gundam series..

If I had to make a choice, I'd almost be willing to even call 0083 my favorite of the three OVAs simply for the first 2 episodes, which I thought were excellent. Unfortunately it sort-of fell apart right away.. But I didn't find any of the OVAs to be anything special, so..

Area88

January 13th, 2007, 10:24 AM

It is the worst of the OVA's but my namesake comes from it. In particular I hate Kou Uraki fit throwing. It is probably why I like Monsha so much is he screws with hits Kou whenever possible.

I agree, you know you definitely have a problem when the main character of show isn't very appealing.

For me the highlight of the show was Nina Purpleton. Her character design was beautiful and her persona was nice if not a bit inconsistent with her emotions constantly fluctuating for no given reason.

Sendo Takeshi

January 13th, 2007, 10:29 AM

0080 > 0083. Fact. You can't argue that. It was a more touching story than what 0083 will ever be. Katoki Hajime was the only reason I even liked it and purchased it.

08th MS Team was alright. It could've been much, much, better. But, yeah, 0083 was pure weak sauce. And it was basically supposed to explain as to why the Titans form. The explanation is barely there, though. There was definitely a lot more that could have been done with that series. =/

Amuro

January 13th, 2007, 10:40 AM

you know you definitely have a problem when the main character of show isn't very appealing.

Well, actually, if you look at the Gundam franchise and its fandom in general, it seems that rarely is the main character the one that fans truly take an interest in or choose as their favorite.

With MSG/Zeta, Char, Scirocco, Haman, and others seem to be the characters that appeal to people. With X, Jamil and some of the other adult characters tend to be the most popular.. if not for Garrod's popular relationship with Tifa, there wouldn't really be much to the character..

When Seed was brand-new, everyone was a fan of the Han Solo-esque Mu, not the intentionally stereotypical and all-powerful Kira Yamato.

I haven't seen enough discussion of Turn-A, but Guin and Captain Harry were the only characters I personally really took an interest in.. Loran seemed yet another stereotypical over-done anime main character..

But I'm extremely biased, as I'm not fond of the popular convention of telling a story from the viewpoint of an "average Joe" who just happens to get involved in major events (and then often turns-out to be not-so-average and have a secret origin and destiny. i.e. Luke Skywalker, Kira Yamato, Harry Potter, arguably Amuro, etc. I think it's a weak mechanic..)

demecowen

January 13th, 2007, 10:55 AM

yeah Kou Uraki wasn't that appealing, but name one main character of gundam that did not whine, angst, or be a prick?

ryushe

January 13th, 2007, 12:21 PM

Gundam 0083 ?!? :blink:

I always get mixed up with this and 0080 sice I seen both of them like 5 years ago, and with you all hating on it, I thought for sure you all were talking about War in the pocket, But then I found out it Stardust Memory ya'll talking about.....

Are you all crazy? I'm not a Gundam Fan by any means, but I gotta say this was a very enjoyable series and didn't bore me to tears and or put me to sleep like other Gundam series out there. And yes, I've seen MS Gundam.

Vaikyuko

January 13th, 2007, 12:45 PM

yeah Kou Uraki wasn't that appealing, but name one main character of gundam that did not whine, angst, or be a prick?

Domon Kasshu (G), Loran Cehack (Turn-A), Garrod Ran (X), Seabook Arno (F91), Uso Ebbing (Victory), and (even if by technicality, because he has no character at all), Heero Yuy (Wing).

Seems you're making a gross generalization there, bucko.

demecowen

January 13th, 2007, 01:14 PM

Domon acted like prick from time to time, not all the time granted. Seabook did whine as well.

Heero Yuy doesn't count since he has no character.

Your line up is less half the gundam franchise which half of those has yet to seen in the states. Generaliztion, yeah, but in many cases the main character is unappealing because is he a jerk.

Baka Ninja

January 13th, 2007, 01:53 PM

I couldnt find a single Character that I liked,Even the Zeons (Which I would have automatically liked) didnt show much emotion. The only thing I liked about it was the MS and the Action.

Dr. Octashawn

January 13th, 2007, 02:16 PM

0080 > 0083. Fact. You can't argue that. It was a more touching story than what 0083 will ever be.

No, it's not a fact, and yes, you can argue it. Personal preference does not a fact make.

That being said, I answered no on the poll. While I found 0083 to be enjoyable, compared to other UC series, is does come off as shallow with little in the way of character development or explanation of motivations. It's still better than Wing, though.

Bernard_Monsha

January 13th, 2007, 02:37 PM

0080 I'm personally not too big a fan of, and the characters in that particular series were about as cliched as 0083's to my eyes.. they were just cliches unlike those that we typically see in a Gundam series..

Yeah incompetant rookie soldiers placed on an elite team engageing in a suicide mission because the brass does not want to waste manpower and he happend to bumble on some intel is in every mecha series I have ever seen.:rolleyes:

yeah Kou Uraki wasn't that appealing, but name one main character of gundam that did not whine, angst, or be a prick?

But those were teenagers or pre teens Kou is a grown man.

CrossboneGundam

January 13th, 2007, 02:55 PM

Amuro

January 13th, 2007, 04:02 PM

Yeah incompetant rookie soldiers placed on an elite team engageing in a suicide mission because the brass does not want to waste manpower and he happend to bumble on some intel is in every mecha series I have ever seen.

Alright, instead of saying that they're cliches not commonly seen in Gundam, I should have said that they're cliches not commonly seen in Gundam or similar series..

Sendo Takeshi

January 13th, 2007, 10:34 PM

No, it's not a fact, and yes, you can argue it. Personal preference does not a fact make.

Nope. But, an excellent story does. 0080 did in 6 episodes what 0083 couldn't do in 13. 13 episodes of pure fail.

Levon

January 13th, 2007, 10:50 PM

Bernard_Monsha

January 13th, 2007, 11:32 PM

0083 tried to have an epic story but it couldn't fit it in 13 episodes. So the story was flawed & the characters wern't developed good enough. The characters were more shallow than the plot.

"Nina I want you!"
:rolleyes: Something about that line diddn't sound right.

Its one of my least favorite UC Gundam but I still find it enjoyable to watch. Doesn't compare to other UC Gundam. Although it was nice to see a few scenes with various characters from Zeta.

0083 was funny liek when Kou threw a fit and threw his tray o' carrots and ran away like a whiney *****. Also Gundam ***** Nina Purplton= fail. She was given the Zeon freedom medal for "servicing" Solomon base, poor Gato became obsessive after the clap got to his Brain. Delaz just lost his hair.

Levon

January 13th, 2007, 11:41 PM

Is Nina just dense or did the writers just decide later to make them former lovers? Maybe both. She showed nothing of even knowing Gato early on.

Area88

January 14th, 2007, 03:59 AM

Is Nina just dense or did the writers just decide later to make them former lovers? Maybe both. She showed nothing of even knowing Gato early on.

Yeh they just seemed to pluck it out of nowhere although i suppose Nina saying 'please stop fighting' in some previous episodes was an early reference.

To be honest i'm glad i am not the only one who found 0083 to be marginally over rated. The critics would naturally want you to believe otherwise with their consistent reviews of A grades. (http://www.animecritic.com/_metareview/viewtitle.php?aid=341) This goes to show that you should never completely base your next purchase on the opinions of other people. It's best to watch the shows that interest you and see for yourself whether they are a worthy part of your collection.

Amuro

January 14th, 2007, 09:33 AM

13 episodes of pure fail.

...11! :mad:

Sendo Takeshi

January 14th, 2007, 01:30 PM

...11! :mad:

And it still sucked. 2 less episodes meant 60 minutes less of me almost killing myself. It's still a pretty a show though.

Hmm.....it was so bad I even forgot how many episodes it was.

Area88

January 14th, 2007, 01:39 PM

No you were right the first time, it is a 13 episode show.

I think Amuro was just making the point that he enjoyed the first 2 episodes meaning the other 11 were bad.

Sendo Takeshi

January 14th, 2007, 01:52 PM

No you were right the first time, it is a 13 episode show.

I think Amuro was just making the point that he enjoyed the first 2 episodes meaning the other 11 were bad.

Or he enjoyed the last two. I think I did at least. The Dendrobium beasting was just too good. So, that, and 'The Winner' were the only two highlights for me.

Levon

January 14th, 2007, 01:55 PM

I don't consider it bad or great, but good.

Vaikyuko

January 14th, 2007, 04:34 PM

0083's good points: Animation/mecha, Bernard Monsha, South Burning.

0083's bad points: Nearly everything else.

Matsu'o Tsurayaba

January 14th, 2007, 04:47 PM

0083 Stardust Memory?I thought it was a rather good Gundam series.

Levon

January 14th, 2007, 04:49 PM

Don't forget the music, it was all great...well that one song I think it was called "magic" was rather cheesy though. But the OP songs & BGM durring combat was great.

Amuro

January 14th, 2007, 06:04 PM

Porco Rosso

January 14th, 2007, 06:36 PM

I voted "No," but not because I dislike it or anything. I enjoyed it for what it was, but it was still heavily flawed and fairly mediocre. It was decent, but far from great.

The main problem I had with it was that it full of recycled situations from MSG and Zeta. Sometimes it felt unnecessary, almost like it was made solely to capitalize on the nostalgia and success of previous series. And while this is usually the case with spin-offs in general, the Gundam titles produced between 1979 and 1993 were all great in the long run; all except 0083. This might just be because I tend to set the titles produced in the "Tomino era" to a higher standard than later spin-offs, but when you compare it to the pure quality of an older OVA like 0080 that didn't have Tomino on board either, it sticks out like a sore thumb.

Another problem is, obviously, the plot and character development in general. It's very rushed and a lot is crammed into 13 measly episodes. There's very little time for you to care much about the characters or anything else for that matter, mainly because the series tries to be as grand as a full-length 40-episode series. 0080 and The 08th MS Team worked because they were more character-driven and had a decidedly limited scope. 0083, on the other hand, takes itself more seriously and merely uses its characters as avatars (or maybe even cliché Gundam archetypes) to move this mini-epic along. The situations tend to overtake the people who should be affecting or affected by them.

To its credit, the story isn't all that bad but it just wasn't handled very well. If it was given the normal series length then it probably could have served as a nice prelude to Zeta, but instead it feels like a mediocre summary piece. This is part of why Last Blitz of Zeon is so utterly pointless.

Levon

January 14th, 2007, 08:40 PM

I felt that the first couple episodes had the best fight choreography seen in all of Gundam, perhaps with the exception of MSG itself (in which it's unfortunately hampered by animation that lacks detail) and possibly the Zeta movies..

Even though MSG had limits because of it age the mecha battles are still some of the most very exciting & well done mecha battles I'v seen^_^

http://img26.echo.cx/img26/5743/msg161fy.gif http://img63.exs.cx/img63/6076/54-gundam2.gif http://img63.exs.cx/img63/605/97-goufslice.gif

Grisha

January 15th, 2007, 01:35 AM

Main thought in my mind was the switch over from the whole Newtype based story to the average human being's capabilities as a soldier.

I like to see main characters "whine" or "cry" about their lives in war-based anime, because in real life it would be what you were going to see alot of. Most soldiers really don't want to be dying for a war or a reason they didn't understand.

I guess Gundam's character's at times brought out what we really are always thinking but aren't necessarily portraying in words when we encounter problems in life.

Levon

January 15th, 2007, 01:46 AM

Kou whiny about war & death wasn't what I think most of us found annoying because that happens in most Gundam. However his whining & attitude with other situations like that silly romance was just pathetic because he was like a 10 year old. He is an adult soldier and to see him acting so childish was annoying. With other Gundam main characters like Amuro they were teens going through being a whining teen child to an adult.

Amuro

January 15th, 2007, 08:16 AM

Now here's a question.. did Kou get drafted?

Was there a draft at this point in the timeline? I believe there was one during the One Year War..?

Bernard_Monsha

January 15th, 2007, 08:20 AM

Now here's a question.. did Kou get drafted?

Was there a draft at this point in the timeline? I believe there was one during the One Year War..?

I doubt it he would have been 16 at the time of the draft.

Vaikyuko

January 15th, 2007, 12:23 PM

Rahxephon91

January 15th, 2007, 12:40 PM

It had good animation. Honestly 0083 is good,not because of its characters though.

The mecha designs are really cool.

Magami No ER

January 15th, 2007, 01:38 PM

What the heck, let's diverge for a mintue with a question;

I've already seen the abridged movie of 0083, "Last Blitz" (thought it was enjoyable as quickie movies go, got the jest of the political climate and the overall situation, with all the fat trimmed off), but is buying the ova series even worth it now, from what I'm reading here? I know those who've seen it torrented, or if they got it in Europe, had previously seen the ovas already, but I went in reverse. Basically, are the character interactions completely disposible, in popular opinion? Just curious, as I'm not sure how willing I am to watch 0083 now.

Vaikyuko

January 15th, 2007, 01:48 PM

Character interactions aren't completely disposable, I think. There's some good stuff in there, but for the most part, it overall comes out average. My main problems lie with the three main characters, Kou, Gato, and Nina, and the love triangle out of nowhere at the end. It's bizarre.

But for twenty bucks, you could pick up the brick of the series, which is what I did, and watch it anyway. :naughty:

Amuro

January 15th, 2007, 02:20 PM

If you have a better use for the money, I'd recommend against it..

For me, 0083 was a one-time watch.. except the first two episodes :D

Grisha

January 16th, 2007, 03:43 PM

Sorry, but professional soldiers don't whine and cry every five minutes, including when they're with their friends, associates, and RIVALS.

You've gotta be kidding me, right? Have you even SEEN a real group of professional soldiers before? I know you haven't or else you would have never said that.

I've been in basic training camps where half of the soldiers crack right then and there during the course of intensive drills. Not to mention when they get onto the actual battlefield, breakdowns occur more in "professional soldiers" than they do in regular every day civilians.

You obviously know nothing of real war or soldiers.

Levon

January 16th, 2007, 04:55 PM

We have all obviously seen movies like Platoon, Full Metal Jacket, Saving Private Ryan, etc. We arn't talking about men breaking down from the affects of war, it was the fact he was acting like an annoying child.

Crusader986

January 16th, 2007, 05:25 PM

Gundam 0083 was terrible. I couldn't even finish it. The characters were boring and one dimensional and the story sucked.

Vaikyuko

January 16th, 2007, 05:39 PM

You've gotta be kidding me, right? Have you even SEEN a real group of professional soldiers before? I know you haven't or else you would have never said that.

I've been in basic training camps where half of the soldiers crack right then and there during the course of intensive drills. Not to mention when they get onto the actual battlefield, breakdowns occur more in "professional soldiers" than they do in regular every day civilians.

You obviously know nothing of real war or soldiers.

My brother is one, bucko. But have fun debating about it with yourself.

Grisha

January 16th, 2007, 05:51 PM

My brother is one, bucko. But have fun debating about it with yourself.

I can see what you mean Levon, but I was referring to what Treize was making out to be some illusion that all soldiers are trained to be perfected, immovable object with no emotions.

Treize, your brother might be a soldier, you on the other hand are not.

What I've seen and what everyone should by now, even if you haven't joined the real life army is that soldiers are as unique as every other person. Some handle situations differently than others, some are whiny teenagers making their way through puberty, some are grown men hard enough to deal with the struggles of war.

I think it was a good idea to think outside of the common soldier's mindset, and focus on the reality that whether or not you like it, those prepubescent soldiers still exist. I'd call it "uniquely annoying".

Vaikyuko

January 16th, 2007, 05:59 PM

I can see what you mean Levon, but I was referring to what Treize was making out to be some illusion that all soldiers are trained to be perfected, immovable object with no emotions.

Treize, your brother might be a soldier, you on the other hand are not.

What I've seen and what everyone should by now, even if you haven't joined the real life army is that soldiers are as unique as every other person. Some handle situations differently than others, some are whiny teenagers making their way through puberty, some are grown men hard enough to deal with the struggles of war.

I think it was a good idea to think outside of the common soldier's mindset, and focus on the reality that whether or not you like it, those prepubescent soldiers still exist. I'd call it "uniquely annoying".

Don't put words in my mouth. I said they don't regularly break down and cry/whine in front of friends, associates, and rivals. That's a big difference from being Heero Yuy, the talking pet rock. I brought up my brother for the sole purpose of illustrating that you're not the only one who's been around soldiers. Regardless, it's obvious we have a difference of opinion. Let's leave it at that.

Magami No ER

January 16th, 2007, 07:22 PM

Oh snap, we've gone awry.

Treize, your brother might be a soldier, you on the other hand are not.

Nor were Tominio & comp., who created Gundam in the first place, mewouldthinks. I'd assume that they'd both research and draw heavily on their own understandings of such wars and those who fight in them, and use it to illustrate the environment and even send a message. If much(I haven't a clue what margin we're talking here^^; ) of the audience finds fault Kou though, and that was the intention of the team behind the ova, he has fulfilled his role in the story As the main character though, that's generally in contrast to what's seen as an effective main character (one example of a character succeeding in this way perhaps would be Shinji, the anti-hero squared. Doesn't mean most liked him at all.)
My overall point is, while I generally find drawing conclusions of a fictional character's motivations and reactions from outside sources occasionally something enlightening to do, one can't really assume that it negates the fact that perhaps the character was just plain old written weakly in the first place. I'm interested in judging this for myself now that I mention it, so perhaps I'll stick with eventually finishing 0083 afterall. Might as well also for the mecha action, can't go wrong there.

evafan88

January 16th, 2007, 08:24 PM

Area88

January 17th, 2007, 07:39 AM

I've already seen the abridged movie of 0083, "Last Blitz" (thought it was enjoyable as quickie movies go, got the jest of the political climate and the overall situation, with all the fat trimmed off), but is buying the ova series even worth it now, from what I'm reading here?

I haven't seen the movie yet but i will defintly watch it soon so i can compare.

Quoted from ANN: 'This is the theatrical compilation of the Mobile Suit Gundam 0083 OAV series, with much of the plot and character development trimmed out. Gundam 0083: The Last Blitz of Zeon was released in Japanese theaters less than a month before episodes 12 and 13 of the OAV series came out on video.'

Sendo Takeshi

January 17th, 2007, 08:09 AM

No, no, and no. 0083 along with the other U.C. OVA's are arguably better in plot and action then MOST OF BUT NOT ALL of the gundam series out there it just happens to have a rushed ending unfortutantly........

0083 was a cheap high compared to the other Gundam OVAs and shows. 0083 was mere eyecandy.

Bernard_Monsha

January 17th, 2007, 01:23 PM

You've gotta be kidding me, right? Have you even SEEN a real group of professional soldiers before? I know you haven't or else you would have never said that.

I've been in basic training camps where half of the soldiers crack right then and there during the course of intensive drills. Not to mention when they get onto the actual battlefield, breakdowns occur more in "professional soldiers" than they do in regular every day civilians.

You obviously know nothing of real war or soldiers.

This post is made of fail. If you crack in basic training you are weeded out as you arenot able to hack it. A nice job trolling forums is better suited for the people who drop out or or removed.

Matsu'o Tsurayaba

January 18th, 2007, 05:28 PM

Don't forget the music, it was all great...well that one song I think it was called "magic" was rather cheesy though. But the OP songs & BGM durring combat was great.

The opening music and animation was some of the best i ever seen with a Gundam anime.I think it was "Flight" or "Fight" and the ending was "Magic".

greg

April 5th, 2007, 01:24 PM

I must've missed this thread back in January. I actually like 0083. I just finished rewatching it a few days ago Sure Kou is a bit of a crybaby, but that seems to be standard in Gundams. Is there a single Gundam series where you don't have to see a "Oh yeah? I'm gonna show you all by stealing the Gundam and doing what I want with it!" tantrum? Besides that, 0083 did have a more mature setting and plotline. Plus it is interesting to see the birth of the Titans.

The battle scenes were incredible, and probably the best part of 0083 is the Dendrobium Stamen's appearance in the last two episodes. I'm so happy that I picked up an HG model of the Stamen on my last trip to Japan in February.

However,
The only thing I didn't care for was the "surprise" love triangle ending. That did seem a bit contrived, but it could've been more justified by having Nina making the right decision. There is no reason why Nina, being a decent human being, couldn't have just stopped Gato and maybe have prevented the colony from dropping. Thousands or millions of lives are at stake, but oh pardon me, Nina's life has been inconvenienced by Gato's reappearance into her life. Come on.

smeagolthevile

April 5th, 2007, 03:34 PM

I didnt like kou, rest of the chars were fine, but I just like the series really, for the mechs, had some of the best, dendrobium rocks my socks ill tell you what. I just wish they would make the stuff about the colony drops more... detailed, its such a big thing OOH OOH ITS GONA FALL then they dont show it hit, or say where it hit, or anything. One reason I liked the colony drop thing in seed, even though the blew up my home city...

Levon

April 5th, 2007, 04:26 PM

Sure Kou is a bit of a crybaby, but that seems to be standard in Gundams. Is there a single Gundam series where you don't have to see a "Oh yeah? I'm gonna show you all by stealing the Gundam and doing what I want with it!" tantrum?

Read my old post:

Kou whiny about war & death wasn't what I think most of us found annoying because that happens in most Gundam. However his whining & attitude with other situations like that silly romance was just pathetic because he was like a 10 year old. He is an adult soldier and to see him acting so childish was annoying. With other Gundam main characters like Amuro they were teens going through being a whining teen child to an adult.

Besides that, 0083 did have a more mature setting and plotline.

More mature setting and plotline? I don't see how its more mature, especially when you have a grown adult soldier acting like a 15 year old cry baby. Maybe you mean it has a more realistic look than most Gundam.

J Dude

April 5th, 2007, 08:19 PM

I'd definitely have to say that 0083 wasn't a great Gundam show, but I did enjoy it. It's far from being on the same level of greatness as G Gundam or Zeta Gundam. It's a very nicely drawn show, the music is great, and the action is good. However, most of the characters are very boring like many have said and they pretty much did pull that love triangle out of nowhere. I'm probably one of the few people too who thought Gundam 0080 wasn't anything more than just a good/decent watch. Sure, it's a character driven show and far less an action based show like 0083, but I just couldn't really care for most of the characters in 0080. It's been probably over a year or more since I've watched 0080 and I've already forgotten most of the characters names. Sad, but true. I was definitely more attached to the characters in G Gundam, let alone the entire show.

Mazinkaiser

April 6th, 2007, 03:04 AM

Its a fun show, if you turn off your brain.

Wraith Gundam

April 6th, 2007, 11:50 AM

I loved 0083, I thought a lot of the characters were well portrayed, was slightly annoyed that a lot of my favourite characters were killed off (i.e Burning, Kelly, Captain Synapse) in favour of developing Kou as a character.

Despite that, I liked the sub plot towards the end the showed the corruption of the federation up to the formation of the Titans, although I never could understand the problem that Jamitov seemed to have with the Gundam Development Project.

Beyond all that, I too loved the music, fight scenes, MS designs, etc...

Bernard_Monsha

April 6th, 2007, 01:47 PM

I don't think he did outside of using it as an excuse to seize power.

Open_Get

April 8th, 2007, 11:30 PM

All 0083 did was set up the Titans and prove that federation pilots are wimps. Eat your carrots Kou.... Eat your carrots.

All glory to the gift from Axis.

Mazinkaiser

April 9th, 2007, 01:20 AM

Eat your carrots Kou.... Eat your carrots.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y137/PSYNERGY11234/alpha66.jpg

Especially appropriate considering your name and avatar :lol:

Shawdawg

March 10th, 2008, 08:59 PM

Hello, all, new to this forum.

Just got done watching 0083 again and I'll say I like it, but it's not great.

Thing I hate most is the love triangle between Kou, Gato, and Nina. They could've finished that off better, or not have a love story between Gato and Nina.

Kou is a brat, but even though he was in the military, he was just a rookie test pilot, and had no actual combat experience, same with Keith. That probably had them shook up.

Hated Monsha as well, but he was the example of a perfect choice to be a Titan.

Overall, with the loopholes in the story, the action and MS' are quite enjoyable to see, and it does do a fair job as to show the beginning of the Titans.

Shawdawg

March 10th, 2008, 09:14 PM

A part a lot of reviewers say could've been filled in more (and I agree with) was what the whole conspiracy is about.

Well, I'm going to add my input about it, and see what you guys think.

Starting with the Gundam Evolve series with the GP03. In that episode, some Zeon suits attack the La Vien Rose, cause they've learned of the Gundam Development Project. I also believe that the conspirators knew a little about the Delaz Fleet and leaked the Gundam Unit 2 info (where the Albion was going, and so forth) and also purposely left Unit 2 and the base relatively unguarded, so Gato COULD steal Unit 2. Also explains Albion's lack of support in finding Unit 2.

I also think that they (the conspirators) didn't know of Gato's true purpose to hit the Naval Review with the nuke, but used it along with the colony drop to start the Titans. As for Cima's interference and the colony drop itself, Cima was going to capture Delaz (as we saw) and turn him into the conspirators so they could use him as proof as to why the Titans are needed. The conspirators then wanted to destroy the colony with the Solar System 2 (still use it as another excuse to start the Titans) and then end Stardust, but Gato f'd that up for them. So they went ahead and used the total colony drop in their reasonings.

Then, as we all know, they covered up the details of Stardust and the GDP so the breaking of the Antarctic treaty, and began the Titans.

Few things I do wonder are, why isn't Jamitov the leader of the conspiracy and instead it's an Admiral we see for one episode, who isn't even in Zeta?

And, (not important to the conspiracy, but still something to think about) would the crew of the Albion stay as Titans? After seeing the Delaz fleet actions (nuke and colony drop), it's possible. But they all seemed to sincere and honest (like Emma) to be in a hardliner group like the Titans. Except for Monsha, of course. Even Bate and Adel didn't seem like the type that would use brutal tactics like the Titans.