Un-Official Hip Hop Thread

[Fobb]

Okay, so I decided to make a thread about it, sue me. Didn't wanna flood the OTD with a bunch of release dates, and controversies, so I'll narrow it down to one thread. So yeah, let's get 'er started.


Nas' CD leaked.

[Depression]

Haven't given it a listen yet, but I've liked what I've heard so far (Black Republican, HH Is Dead, and Hustlers).

[Fobb]

Haven't given it a listen yet, but I've liked what I've heard so far (Black Republican, HH Is Dead, and Hustlers).

Check out Life is Low on allhiphop.com. I really liked that song.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

911 is a joke!

[Fobb]

911 is a joke!

Immortal Tech?

[CapnTylor]

Immortal Tech?

Public Enemy!

[Fobb]

Public Enemy!

Flava Fav?

What a joke...

[HSaabedra]

I'm starting to think album leaks in the hip hop world are planned the same way the release parties are. There's more to PE than a foil/comic relief. The Bomb Squad and Professor X demonstrated a great talent for using noise, harsh beats and the Amen breakbeat.

[Fobb]

I'm starting to think album leaks in the hip hop world are planned the same way the release parties are.

That might be true, but I can tell you that 99.9% of the industry beefs are planned, for publicity.

[HSaabedra]

That might be true, but I can tell you that 99.9% of the industry beefs are planned, for publicity.

That's been obvious for the longest time. I've lost faith in mainstream hip hop in any case. No real reason for me to care about producers since they're getting paid for very little effort and no one wants to breakout of the 90 bpm hole they've dug themselves into for fear of losing airplay.

[Depression]

"Let There Be Light" was an awesome song on Nas's new album.

I wouldn't be surprised if this album didn't do to well in the sales, there isn't much talk about women, money, candy paint, or ridin dirty. In other words, its a more adult album.

[HSaabedra]

"Let There Be Light" was an awesome song on Nas's new album.

I wouldn't be surprised if this album didn't do to well in the sales, there isn't much talk about women, money, candy paint, or ridin dirty. In other words, its a more adult album.

If that's the case then I might just buy it. I'm tired of all that BS in hip hop and reggaeton is shaping up to be all that in Spanish.

[Haro!]

Axl, I hate to say it but reggaeton seems like its here to stay. Everything about it is worth hating yet people (ghetto hispanics that, gasp, don't know spanish) love that s**t. However spanish hip hop is more interesting, in terms of lyrics and flow (beatwise still pretty weak but not as weak) when compared to that genre yet it gets no burn. Give me Akwid and Jae-P and I'd take it easily over the reggaeton crap.

Hey just curious, is anyone going to any of the Roots concerts in the jbl ads? Its funny I find out about it by the various ads on the subway and not a single show in the NYC area.

[HSaabedra]

Axl, I hate to say it but reggaeton seems like its here to stay. Everything about it is worth hating yet people (ghetto hispanics that, gasp, don't know spanish) love that s**t. However spanish hip hop is more interesting, in terms of lyrics and flow (beatwise still pretty weak but not as weak) when compared to that genre yet it gets no burn. Give me Akwid and Jae-P and I'd take it easily over the reggaeton crap.

Hey just curious, is anyone going to any of the Roots concerts in the jbl ads? Its funny I find out about it by the various ads on the subway and not a single show in the NYC area.

Ive got tickets but don't know if I'm going to make it. I just see no redeeming value in reggaeton, no skill is needed to make a track, no lyrical depth, nothing to hold my interest. Give me the Nortec Collective or Control Machete anyday over "Generic Reggaeton Artist #1000"

[CrossboneGundam]

That might be true, but I can tell you that 99.9% of the industry beefs are planned, for publicity.

Yeah, Tupac and Biggie were conspiring to take over the music world by dying to boost their record sales.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...the roots? someone said the roots. Haro! let's go man! there's bound to be some Talib in that concert. you never know.

[Haro!]

...the roots? someone said the roots. Haro! let's go man! there's bound to be some Talib in that concert. you never know.
Closest I think is in Baltimore or Pittsburgh (or some place in PA that starts with a "P"). The most I'd do is anywhere PATH or LIRR would take me. And even the LIRR is a stretch.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...forget about it man. my jewish side is telling me that its not worth the fare.

[Haro!]

...forget about it man. my jewish side is telling me that its not worth the fare.

But you have had plastic surgery? You don't have horns or claws.

[sazae]

Now I havn't been interested in hip-hop in quite a while. The last guys that I could really get into were KRS-1, Mos Def, and Tribe Called Quest. Is there anyone out there that stands up to these guys? From what I have seen on TV and heard on the radio I've been greatly let down.

[HSaabedra]

Now I havn't been interested in hip-hop in quite a while. The last guys that I could really get into were KRS-1, Mos Def, and Tribe Called Quest. Is there anyone out there that stands up to these guys? From what I have seen on TV and heard on the radio I've been greatly let down.

k-os, The Streets, Dizzee Rascall, M.I.A, Miss Dynamite.

[Fobb]

Okay, now this is a really risque move, but once you've sampled a little bit of concious/smart rap, I'll tell you to cautiously sample some Canibus. Try not to explode your braincells tho. Before that though, check out the album "Blackstar" by Mos Def and Talib Kweli. I loved this album a LOT. I heard rumors of a new Blackstar CD, and I'm hoping to God that this rumor is true. Besides those two, try Nas if you already haven't, for lyrical content, and Last Emperor, just because he did Secret Wars. Now if you're looking for flow, and style, you don't need to look much farther than Ludacris. He may be mainstream, but dammit, he has skill. Also check out Biggie, his style is incredible.

EDIT: So has anyone heard Everready by Tech N9ne yet? I'm liking this.

[CapnTylor]

Flava Fav?

What a joke...

eh?
'911 is a Joke' is Public Enemy

[Fobb]

eh?
'911 is a Joke' is Public Enemy

Yeah, I know, but I'm just sayin, Flava Flav is a joke now.

[Sendo Takeshi]

k-os, The Streets, Dizzee Rascall


We have to make love one day. For the good of the world. I still need to pick up K-OS's first album. If you do have it, how is it?

[Meson]

I only listen to nerdcore hip hop.

[Fobb]

I only listen to nerdcore hip hop.

What kind of artists are in nerdcore?

[CapnTylor]

What kind of artists are in nerdcore?

MC Frontalot (first and foremost),
Rappy McRapperson,
Rai (all Japanese),
Ultraklystron,
MC Chris,
l337 g33k b34t,
Beefy,
Optimus Rhyme,
Shael Riley (of Zelda: The Music of my Groin fame)
MC Plus+
MC Hawking
Blak az Bleech
HamSTAR
Benjamen Bear
etcetc.
rhymetorrents.com has more or less a complete known list and a bunch--a BUNCH--of free tracks. 5 compilation LPs and an EP I believe.


The Streets, Dizzee Rascal
qft. It's a shame Skinner's last album didn't do so hot. It was great as always, and it gets props for picking up on the story left off from his second album. Dizzee is just hands down a really talented kid.

[Fobb]

rhymetorrents.com

:lol:

I listened to a little bit of one track, it kinda made me lol.

[sumwhatkrazy]

I jus dl'd the track Nas put out with Snoop, aint listend yet tho.
Tech9ne is dope, aint heard his album, he still in the regime???
I seen dude live, sh*t was krazy.
Snoops "the blue carpet treatment" is seriously cool. His best album for a while, an one of his best.
Games last album was cool, despite Dre's name mentioned too much, game soundin like dre in a couple songs, an dre imatation beats, good album.
Bone thuggs album cool too, short, but jus a lil undrground album(thugg stories), like a preview to their major comin next.
New Dogg Pound album comin soon(dogg chit), looks cool as, with Snoop, Bad azz, RBX, Galsses Malone, The game, Too $hort, Brotha Lynch Hung, BG Knocc Out, Dresta, etc.
Oh yeah, Dre's Detox IS comin in 2007. And newest Aftermath westcoast sighnie, Bishop Lmaont, comin next year too.

[Fobb]

Yeah, I think Tech is still with regime. It's worth a listen, I liked it. But about BTNH, I really think they fell off during ressurrection. It was okay, but no where near their usual state. And saying Game name dropped is like saying I have hair on my head. It's a given. In Nas' song (Hustlers) he wouldn't stop saying Nas' name. And I heard about three songs off Snoops album (wannabe's, vato, and I forgot the other one). They were okay, but nothing like his old school gangsta ****.

FOR MY PEEPS:

Laffy Taffy Rots Your Teeth (http://www.laffytaffyrotsyourteeth.com/)

MY REASON FOR HAVING IT UP:
It's a free downloadable track put out by the people that made it. So it's not illegal, because it's a free album.

[Depression]

The best song off Snoops album is Imagine with Dr. Dre.

[namekpimp]

Ah, yes Black Star! I was hoping they would release another album soon, especially after they made that "What's Beef" track. Mmm, nerdcore. I have only listened to MC Hawking's "Quakemaster" and some of MC Chris's stuff. Heh, it's cool. I havn't been up-to-date with what's coming out; I think the last album I bought was Game Theory, but Lupe Fiasco's album was pretty refreshing. Ah, almost time for class, so I shall drop a few of my fav artist.

Atmosphere
The Roots
Nas
Blackstar
Lupe Fiasco
Rakim
Dead Prez

[Fobb]

Atmosphere
The Roots
Nas
Blackstar
Lupe Fiasco
Rakim
Dead Prez

Awesome lineup. Have you heard "Heroes in the City of Dope" by Grouch and Zion I? I think you'd probably like that.

[Evil_Koala]

I'll see your Hippity Hop thread and raise you a Country music thread!!!

[Fobb]

I'll see your Hippity Hop thread and raise you a Country music thread!!!

Well, that's up to you, but I doubt many people would write in it. I've found a new appreciation for it tho.

Has anyone checked out that link I posted?

[sumwhatkrazy]

Dont sleep on Snops album, its the most gangsta/aggressive album he's done for a long while, yet still has the laid back joints like "thats that" with R,Kelly, Akon on two songs("i wanna f**k you" & "Boss Life") and Nate dogg on there("Crazy"), an yeah, the track with Dre "imagine" also got D'angelo on there, but the album overal is pretty gangsta.
"Vato" was jus a street single really, he shootin the vidoe for "candy" next, thats another joint that aint really a radio freindly one, it features Mc Eiht, Goldie Loc, Daz, Kurupt & E-40.
Theres way better songs on the album than all these single though. I like the one with R.kelly i have to say, an i neva liked that dudes music before.
An yeah, Snoop an Suge Knight squashing their beef didnt last long, lol.

Oh yeah, i got Ice-T's new album, dude aint relevant(sp?) anymore, but dudes a ledgend, had to get it. He spits some nice lines, he still got it, but some of the album is jus the same old.

[LaFawnduh]

I thought I would add this to the mix
http://www.jay-zeezer.com/
A Jay-Z Weezer mix album



ciao,
LaFawnduh

[Samurai Drifter]

Ah, hip-hop. I can't stand any of it except for the Gorillaz, and they're more alternative-rock mixed with hip-hop.

I'll see your Hippity Hop thread and raise you a Country music thread!!!
But country music sucks too... :O

[Fobb]

Ah, hip-hop. I can't stand any of it except for the Gorillaz, and they're more alternative-rock mixed with hip-hop.


*claps for you*

Want a cookie too?

[Evil_Koala]

I have to admit that if I hear rap on the radio...I listen to it sometimes. Unless it's like...Al Gore :(

[Fobb]

I have to admit that if I hear rap on the radio...I listen to it sometimes. Unless it's like...Al Gore :(

You shouldn't listen to the radio too much. It'll melt your brain. Laffy Taffy rots your teeth.

[namekpimp]

I never realized how much I disliked radio until I was forced to listen 2-3 years ago. Hearing "Get Low" every 20 minutes hurt my feelings.

Ah, I wish I could see The Roots live. I'll just have to settle with this (http://www.therootslive.com/) for now. If you are a fan, should check some of those performances.

[superplough]

I'll see your Hippity Hop thread and raise you a Country music thread!!!

*wins both at once with Eminem's Square Dance*

[namekpimp]

Mmm, Square Dance; havn't heard that song in a long time now.

PE, I don't think I have heard that track yet, but I like Zion I though. Which CD was this track on?

[Fobb]

Which Zion I do you mean?

[namekpimp]

Awesome lineup. Have you heard "Heroes in the City of Dope" by Grouch and Zion I? I think you'd probably like that.

That track I mean. Forgot to quote.

Anyone peep Kidz in the Hall? Rawkus seems to keep it going. I never listened to any of the Procussions albums, but I've been meaning to. I also wanted to get the Pancea (sp?) LP but never got around to it. From what i heard on their myspace, their nice.

[Fobb]

That's the name of the CD. Message me if "you're having trouble finding it" *wink wink*

Who's heard of Aesop Rock?

EDIT/ADD: For those of you who think every rapper out is black, guess again. A lot of the talented rappers are white. Like Grouch from living legends, and Aesop Rock

[kenshinbebop]

And Eminem. :rolleyes:
Nope. Joking.
Look at Vanilla Ice. :rolleyes:
Nevermind...

Ok, ok, SOME of the talented rappers are white.

[Fobb]

Hey hey, Eminem can be talented when he wants to be...

Have you heard Re-up yet?

[Sendo Takeshi]

So, I was browsing through Virgin Megastore yesterday and I decided to pick up Talib Kweli's second(?) album The Beautiful Struggle. Good sh!t, I must say. In terms of beats its right there with K-OS in terms of production. Very well structured. Although, for some reason in one of the songs his flow sounds a bit slower than the beat. Kinda. Sorta. Still a great album. I'm definitely gonna pick up his first album for sure. Probably look for some Common stuff as well.

[namekpimp]

Ah, yesh, yesh. Talib's first album quality was pretty nice. So was his ablum with hi-tek, Reflection Eternal. Among them all though, I still say "Mos Def and Talib Kweli are Black Star" has to be up there was my favourite collabs, and somewhat, my favourite Kweli album.

White rappers? Yeah there's a lot of them. Aesop Rock has one of the most unique voices; it took me awhile to get used to for some reason. Eyedea and Abilities is up there with too, along with Atmosphere and Non-phophets (Sage Francis & Dj Joe Beats) make up some of my fav emcee and dj combos, they happen to be white too. Annnddd, at the time, everyone knows they were feeling Vanilla Ice. After his whole "Go ninja, go ninja, go!" TMNT plug; that might be a different story.

C. L. Smooth released an album lately; I really wish him and Pete Rock would hook back up. Rakim and Eric. B, Gang starr. Mmm, it would be nice.

[DJ_CarrotG]

Are you kidding me? My eyes can't believe what they're seeing. This must be hyper-go-go-world where people can actually create a hip-hop without all the flaming and chaos!

Anyway, I got out of the mainstream stuff some years ago. I was listening to the worst of the worst at that time--- Lil' Wayne, Three Six Mafia, Juvenile, and other Southern rap garbage. It wasn't until I stopped and actually listened to some of the lyrics. I couldn't believe what the hell I was listening to. Pure tripe, it was. I felt ashamed and dirty. Then I stumbled onto the likes of the Roots, Talib Kweli, Pharcyde, and other artists and groups that were different from the terrible norm.

Nowadays, I find myself listening to a great variety of music (house, metal, lounge/chill-out, trip-hop, game arrangements and remixes,etc.) and greatly detesting the music I had once listened to religiously. This Southern rap crap HAS TO DIE OUT. NOW. It is, without a doubt, some of the worst form of music --- and I use that term VERY loosely in the case --- to come possibly ever. It is an incredible insult to those who do possess skills and talent.

Oh, I LOVE instrumental hip-hop from the likes of Fat Jon and J-Dilla (GO PICK UP DONUTS, NOW!).

Drifting away from my rant, who's that guy in Atmosphere? Is that his name or just the name of the group? He's a white MC and dude can flow. Like PE187 said, you'd be surprised at the amount of talented white MCs out there. Thing is, they most likely wouldn't get radio or video airplay from anyone. We have witness the utter crappiness from people like Paul Wall and Bubba Sparxxx. Eminem is an obvious exception, but his music jusr doesn't interest me.

[namekpimp]

Slug's the emcee from Atmosphere. The DJ is Ant.

Speaking of instrumentals, should check out some of RJD2's tracks.

[Westlo]

The only thing stupid about southern rap is you if you listen to it for lyrics, seriously when I'm in the club grinding with a girl the last thing I want to hear is something like...

Canibus is the ultimate executioner's dream
Swingin the guillotine, cause whenever the head is severed
from the human body with a sharp enough weapon
the brain remains conscious for ten seconds
Long enough for me to give you one last message
And when you get to Hell you can tell Lucifer I said it

Visualizin the realism of life and actuality
**** who's the baddest a person's status depends on salary
And my mentality is, money orientated
I'm destined to live the dream for all my peeps who never made it
cause yeah, we were beginners in the hood as five percenters
But somethin must of got in us cause all of us turned to sinners

I mean you can have one person listen to say... Young Jeezy's new album and go omg these lyrics are crap and then have another listen to say... the second Canibus album and call the beats crap.... wtf is wrong with both of you people!

There's a time and place for different forms of hiphop, the sad thing is the people who just stick to underground view themselves as superior and it's laughable. These people won't even admit when stuff like Lil Wayne shading Andre 3000 on Hollywood happened.

I'll drop some thoughts on the last few albums I've heard

AZ - Premo's track is a banger (best beat i've heard from him in ages!) but the rest is meh
Jay-Z - Disappointing, though Prelude is an absolute banger.
Snoop Dogg - Best album since Tha Last Meal
Fat Joe - Wack
Birdman and Lil Wayne - Slightly less wack than Fat Joes
Clipse - Meh blah what, sum it up.
Jim Jones - Has one banger for the whip and the rest is crap
Young Jeezy - Bangs in the ride
Mos Def - Please rap again
ReUp - Has Eminem's best track in ages (last song on album)
Nas - Disappointing, only track close to classic is the 2nd Kanye produced song with the poor mans Anthony Hamilton. With the beats on this album I have no idea why he even signed with Def Jam.

Also Guru from Gangstarr is the most overated underground mc ever, monotone and boring he got exposed lately when Premo went through a dry patch.

[Fobb]

I mean you can have one person listen to say... Young Jeezy's new album and go omg these lyrics are crap and then have another listen to say... the second Canibus album and call the beats crap.... wtf is wrong with both of you people!

There's a time and place for different forms of hiphop, the sad thing is the people who just stick to underground view themselves as superior and it's laughable. These people won't even admit when stuff like Lil Wayne shading Andre 3000 on Hollywood happened.

Totally agree 100% with this statement. There is a time and place for everything. That example with Canibus in the club was hilarious.

About Beautiful Struggle. A lot of people that have heard it (that I know), were saying that wasn't his best, probably his worst (but then again, even his worst is great). Blackstar is on my top list for greatest collab/album ever. I heard rumors of a second coming, and I'm praying to God it's true.

@DJ CarrotG: Yep, we got rid of the haters real early.

[namekpimp]

Heh, I have to agree that is true. I actually remember a time I was on the way to the club, and listened to Nas "Drunk By Myself" and "Undying Love" on the way there; that killed my whole mood.

You just made me sad Van. I guess I would've found out by myself, but I was expecting for a good listen out the Nas album. And AZ. Gah, Jim Jones is coming to town Saturday, and I'm almost tempted to go, but I have never been a fan of him, nor Dipset at all. I was digging Juelez when he first came out (until I listened to his whole album and quickly forgot about him) I havn't liked Cam'ron since House n Carriage. Oh Boy was hot for the time, but not sure anymore.

Guru also disappointed me. He had that one single with Angie Stone that I was feeling, but I bought his Version 7.0 something CD and quickled binned it.

Would you say Premo is the cause of his fire?

[Samurai Drifter]

*claps for you*

Want a cookie too?

No, thanks, stating my opinion on hip-hop in a thread about it is enough. ^_^

[Westlo]

You just made me sad Van. I guess I would've found out by myself, but I was expecting for a good listen out the Nas album.

You might like it but honestly it didn't do much for me, i'll definately rank Illmatic, Lost Tapes, Stillmatic and It Was Written above it. Drunk By Myself is much better than any track on HHID though since it's one of my fav Nas tracks period I might be a tad biased.

The Nas & Jigga collab is cool and all but I'm one of the few people who would've preferred to listen to a Jay-Z and AZ collab ahead of that.

I'm positive if there wasn't bad blood between Nas & Jay-Z in the the mid to late ninties we would've got quite a few collabs between them.

Just read Nas signed Royce Da 5'9 to a record deal, about time he signed an mc who can actually rip it on the mic.

[Fobb]

Nas signed him? Didn't even know he had his own record label. What's it called?

Anyways, have any of you heard about that thing between Jeezy and Monie (I think her name was)? She was talking about HHID with him, and he "went off" on her, and walked out. If anyone hasn't heard it yet, I can link em to the interview.

[Westlo]

I don't blame Jeezy for going off at Nas, how Nas going to imply the south killed hiphop after he cosigned Ja Rule of all people and even appeared on Lil Jons cd? You know Lil Jon probably the #1 reason for the south's current reign on top of the mainstream... Aside from T.I and Luda he's the biggest name from the south, speaking about Luda anyone else think he's 2-0 against Nas? He bodied him on Virgo and just got him on the Made You Look Remix.

As for Royce I think he's signed through Def Jam though I'm not sure what happened to Nas' Ill Will Records on Sony. I think it closed after that horrible Bravehearts album...

[Fobb]

Don't blame Jeezy at all. Nas says one thing, and does the opposite. People ride him to hard in my opinion.

[namekpimp]

Eh, maybe it's all about face so it seems. Others just live in the past. Nas isn't at the same intensity as he was when he first came out, but no one wants to admit it.

Heh Ja Rule. I thought he fell off the face of the planet again until the Game's "One Blood RMX"

[sumwhatkrazy]

http://music.yahoo.com/ar-264373---Snoop-Dogg

Thought i posted this a few days back, meh, guess not?

Check out the new Snoop vid "candy" cool as man, funny as hell too.
Awesome, some weak verses on there, but cool base line an video.

[Fobb]

Explanation behind Nas' song "Who Killed It". Long read, but a good one:


First The LYRICS:

look here see, pretty mike shanked two face al
over some gal
find the body dead in the aisles
death by strangulation, microphone cord a dirty broad
guess theyll never play it again Sam
damn that was my jam
now she's on the lamb
she made it out wit 200 grand
what a scam
while these two compete on who's the star of the show
golden legs there makes off wit the doe
I read the paper there wit joe da butcher
he said "one glance is all it took ya, she's a real looker
they say her old mans a bootlegger
transporting in any weather and at this rate we'll never get her"
fellas think its time to call it a night
all this talk of this mystery dames gettin me tight
thought I saw her in my eyesight, right
hate to spoil the party
what are you guys havin? the same?
waiter another round for the gang
its strange how I always felt outta place
joe da butchers my ace, but in comes freckle face
so I said see you later
fore hurt him and his two ugly thumb breakers
met them in louisiana wrestling gators
and any idiot can tell there involved wit the caper
so I pulled the revolver on my waist up
between the patrol car and the grey truck behind the streetlamp was a silouhette
white gloves and a real long cigarette
whattya ya know all this time she's got me in her scope
she spoke says " the devils got you guys be the throat
your conspiracy theories won't work without evidence
that's the reason why eric b is not president"

ya see?

look here see, I know you got soul your trying to hide it
how did you kill a man out in cypress?
one eyed charlie
he only hangs with the criminal minded
says you guys did it doggystyle is he lyin?
she says " walk this way ill tell you a childrens story
we hit the bodega got her a few 40s
we jumped in my ride
we drove and she cried
twist off the cap there and opened her mouth wide
swallowed it
whole bottles half empty
drinks like a fish, now she's past tipsy
truth came out as we got to her suave house
chopped and screwed her mouth and sat me on the couch
I said its gettin late cmon give it to me straight
who's ya sponsor lady?
she says bill gates
whattya born 77? 78?
she says "nah it goes way to an earlier date, slave times
claims the slaves said rhymes but she fell in love wit some fella named clive
who?
clive campbell from sedgwick ave, the bronx
now she shows me the cash
I said who's clive? don't play wit me skirt!
she said clive campbell.....he's kool herc

Ahaaa Ahaaaaa

listen up sweetheart, now we gettin somewhere
as she's talkin she starts vanishing in thin air
but before she drops the money bag on the floor and died
she said if you really love me, ill come back alive

----------------------------------------------------
SYNOPSIS

Now lets get some things straight since its a story there's characters, setting and plot

the plot is who killed hip-hop?

the setting is 1930s the golden era; the manifestation of jazz, mobsters, bootlegging and organized crime

the characters are nas the detective and his partner joe da butcher

freckle face who is joe da butchers connection to the underworld

and hip-hop who is the girl in the story a.k.a. the gal

now what happens is pretty mike and two face al kill each other and the gal runs off with the money

pretty mike and two face al are B.I.G. & Tupac and its a psuedonym for Hip-Hop maximizing its commercialism which is why the gal runs off with the money

the murder of two face al is directly referencing tupac dying first

now this all occured at some club where the classic jams go on sung by the gal

that is why nas says damn that was my jam because she will never be singing there again

the setting is further portrayed through the uses of a microphone cord as the murder weapon and the fact the body was found in the aisle

Now, Joe Da Butchers represent the average hip-hop listener

His name simply breaks down to joe a.k.a. the average joe schmo and da butcher part is a reference to "chewing the fat" which means just kicking simple convo chillin

Now after joe mentions to nas that he realizes he's falling for her nas hits the bar a lil aggitated.

He realizes its the same scene at the bar but says **** it and drinks are on him. That represents nas going commercial and he admits it, but tries to counteract that by saying "but I always felt outta place" which means he sold out but still puts out real Hip-Hop.

The symbolism in the bar scene is that joe the da butcher is nas partner but his southern connects (freckle face and company) are involved wit this crime

joe is none the wiser a.k.a. the average listener supports southern music regardless of all this south trash talk (jeezy,ludacris,lil jon,rick ross)

nas gets a lil ticked off and heads outside and realizes the gal has been trailin him the whole time

that's basically saying that even though he didn't know it, Hip-Hop HAS been followin him for a while

next thing she steps out the shadow and he says "all this time she had me in her scope"

in her scope = interscope
nas starts the story saying "death by strangulation" but "death" = Def(Jam)

Basically he was saying that Def Jam started the "killing" (when it commercialized hip-hop) and now interscope
runs it

at this point he is saying the Crackers took control of the art hence the reference to "Conspiracy Theories" behind this "whodunit"

"that's why Eric B is not president" pretty much sums it up

so Def Jam chokeholded the game and then other labels like universal picked it up.

at this point nas has some evidence so he starts interrogating the broad

"I know you have soul quit tryin to hide it" is obviously saying that hip-hop has soul but its obscured by the commercialism

NaS uses the interrogation wisely by bringing up cypress hill and snoop dogg referencing the classics just flippin the phrases

If you can't figure this out then your pretty ****in stupid:

She (Hip-Hop) supposedly killed a man in cypress - Cypress Hill "How I could just kill a man".

(Alternate Meaning/Possible Reference: When "she" {Hip-Hop} supposedly killed a man in cypress it could also be a reference to the end of the The Bridge Wars and the Death of DJ Scott LaRock. The Bridge Wars was a Hip-Hop rivalry during the mid-to-late 1980s and early 1990s, that arose from a dispute over the true birthplace of hip hop music and retaliation over the rejecting of a record for airplay. The Bridge Wars originally involved The South Bronx's Boogie Down Productions, led by KRS-One, and Marley Marl's Juice Crew, hailing from Queensbridge. The rivalry resulted in DJ Scott LaRock being killed in the South Bronx, Cypress Projects....but I think there's a Cypress Projects in B.K so i'm not sure.....Nevertheless the The Bridge Wars was the beginning of the BEEF Era when Hip-Hop started gettin' Violent over lyrics)


And one eyed charlie (krs-one) who only hangs with the criminal minded (BDP) said they did it doggystyle (snoop dogg) but obviously referencing sex

at this point she puts everything in perspective for nas IN ORDER because nas was out of chronological order by mentioning 92 then 91 then 88:

so she begins by asking him to "walk this way" (run dmc) and she will tell him a childrens story (slick rick)

this is starting out raw hip-hop in the 80s

"got her a few 40s" is now referencing the west coast era domination as well hoppin in the "ride"

at this point hip-hop started losing "it" because it was being bombarded by commercial gangsterism and losing its origins

The getting "tipsy" part refers to hip-hop totally losing control and becoming almost completely pop (the bad boy era). It can also be a refference to J-Kwon and the beat he sampled which NaS is rappin' over.



"as we got to her suave house chopped and screwed her mouth" is now moving on to the south moving on in at the close of the shiny suit era and is cleverly flipped to nas getting oral sex by hip-hop he finally gave in

after he ****s her, she spills the beans and tells him that Bill Gates sponsored her to destroy hip-hop through means of downloading and extreme piracy

Remember, hip-hop's father was a bootlegger and now her sponsor is one of the largest helpers in the creation of bootlegging

at this point she just breaks down and admits she is IMMORTAL because no regular human could be alive in BOTH slave times AND the Present.

she says she came from that era and had many lovers since but her one true love was kool herc (pioneer of hip-hop, some say sole creator)

But then she obviously ****ed him over and fell to the pressure of the root of all evil, money (the 200 grand) (by the way 200 grand in 1930 is worth MILLIONS)

At this point the gig is up and she begins to fade away magically but lets NaS know it's his inner spirit that really keeps hip-hop alive.

She really didn't need the money in the End

[Sendo Takeshi]

Yeah, the theme behind that song is pretty clear. But, at least now I got the full explanation as to who the characters are in the song.

This album is too good. Although, Let There Be Light is my favorite track so far. And Money Over Bullsh*t is a runner-up.

[Fobb]

Money over ******** was mediocre in my book. I liked Who Killed it and I'm not going back best.

[Westlo]

Yeah I gotta agree Money Over Bullsh*t was average, peeps were hyping it up on www.sohh.com (where that breakdown for Who Killed It came from) as classic ****. I was expecting something on par with the Stillmatic intro and was left completely flat.

As for Who Killed It, great concept poor execution imo, i haven't had the urge to listen to much after reading that breakdown, it's lacking compared to Fetus/Rewind.

Let There Be Light is still the clear standout track for me by far though a nice suprise is the Kelis track. Thought it was going to be a real poppy track considering Stargate the producers are behind most of Ne-yo's hits (So Sick/Sexy Love) and the current #1 track in Beyonce's Irreplaceable. Turned out to be a nice track though.

Nas really should've got the track from the Game album on here, he killed that track and the beat by Just Blaze is sublime.

Also smh at Nas acting like he never heard Stray Bullet by Organized Konfusion

Nas: " "It was Written came out first…And I was rappin bout RASTAS…But then BIG came out and made a song telling a story of a RASTA…BIG maybe not consiously knew he BIT off me…He probably did….But we'll never know cuz he's not here….PAC took I GAVE YOU POWER from me and used it and made a song based on the concept" "

[MikeJones123]

BALLIN!



ps weezy is the best rapper alive!

[Westlo]

The Carter > The Carter 2

[MikeJones123]

Only if Mannie produces The Carter 3, then he'll quad his sales

[Westlo]

With the current situation there is no way that Mannie Fr fr fr fr fr Fresh will work with Lil Wayne which is a shame. I feel Mannie is one of the most underrated producers ever due to him being the producer of Cash Money. The amount of work this guy put in and he released tight beat after tight beat. Heck 'Connected For Life' of Mack 10's Cash Money album is ****ing awesome and sounds nothing like Mannie's stuff.

Really would kill for a studio version of the original Carter 2....

[Fobb]

Does anyone know when Middle Passage is dropping by any chance?

[Rurouni Saiyan]

I little late chiming in, but this year I found some refreshing artists, some old some new:

Jurassic 5 (Power in Numbers)
The Roots (Phrenology)
Fort Minor (The Rising Tied)
Lupe Fiasco (Food and Liquor)

[emotoaster]

I just went through my mp3's and found a love for Jurassic 5's "Whats Golden" I remeber hearing that on NBA Street. Looks like I should pick up Nas new one, I have Illmatic but that is the only one. Also need to pick up The Roots, and Lupe Fiasco aswell.

Oh and MF Doom for life!

[Sendo Takeshi]

I have Illmatic but that is the only one.





And that's all you'll ever need.

[Westlo]

Illmatic, Stillmatic, Lost Tapes, It Was Written (the good half is really good, pushes it above the rest of his albums), don't bother with the rest.

The original version of I Am would be one of his best too but bootleggers made him change it around sadly, though a few tracks did end up on The Lost Tapes.

[Fobb]

I don't want this to die...

Who's heard of Last Emperor?

[sumwhatkrazy]

^dont think i have.
I still gotta get "hip hop is dead", i liked all of Nas's albums except "Nastradamus(sp?)"
This should be a big year, Del, is doing a new solo and another deltron album with dan the auto mator!
Snoop droppin a complimation called "the big squeeze" in march, its to promote his artists(western union, warzone, nine inch dix kurupt, j.t the bigga figga, an features daz, bad azz, rbx, etc).
Western union(Soopafly, Bad Lucc an Damani) will drop, Warzone(Mc Eiht, Goldie Loc & Kam) will, a Kurupt solo, a independant DPG album "dogg chit"(in my aviater), a indepent Soopafly album.
Snoop jus put out "Snoop preseants unrealead Heat Rocks", has feetures from Richie Rich, Brotha Lynch Hung, Doggystyle records artist, and Flava Flae.

[Fobb]

^dont think i have.
I still gotta get "hip hop is dead", i liked all of Nas's albums except "Nastradamus(sp?)"
This should be a big year, Del, is doing a new solo and another deltron album with dan the auto mator!
Snoop droppin a complimation called "the big squeeze" in march, its to promote his artists(western union, warzone, nine inch dix kurupt, j.t the bigga figga, an features daz, bad azz, rbx, etc).
Western union(Soopafly, Bad Lucc an Damani) will drop, Warzone(Mc Eiht, Goldie Loc & Kam) will, a Kurupt solo, a independant DPG album "dogg chit"(in my aviater), a indepent Soopafly album.
Snoop jus put out "Snoop preseants unrealead Heat Rocks", has feetures from Richie Rich, Brotha Lynch Hung, Doggystyle records artist, and Flava Flae.

Dam..you're up on ALL the west coast aren't you?

If you can check out "Storyteller". Last Emp is a philly rapper. One of my fav rappers.

[sumwhatkrazy]

Yeah, cept Nas, pretty much jus following the west at the moment.
I'll have ta check him out.

[Fobb]

Cool cool. You're from Aussie right? I'm on a forum and a dude from Aussie frequents it. He's really up on his hip hop.

[sumwhatkrazy]

Yeah, from South OZ. I actually dont listen to that much Aussie stuff, despite the stuff i used to rap myself an the fact that Aussie hip hop is going off.
My lil bro an sis an the youger generation are real big on Aussie rap these days.
Iam pretty much know at work as the person who knows his hip hop, but then again i dont follow the east an south that much these days.

[Fobb]

That's cool. My brother just now started listening to rap (I guess), and he's listening to some of the garbage radio stuff. Personally, I like radio played songs, but the ones he likes are GARBO.

[Steagol]

Eh, don't know the topic at hand, but my personal fav of all time is Tupac Shakur.

[MikeJones123]

Cash money, young money, neva eva no money!

[Fobb]

Eh, don't know the topic at hand, but my personal fav of all time is Tupac Shakur.

Awesome rapper. Problem is, some kids that think they know a lot about rap say he's "overrated". It's one thing listening to him when he's alive, and hearing about him afterwards.

[Haro!]

Oh I might be a bit late but has anyone checked out the song "I still love H.E.R." by Teriyaki Boyz feat. Kanye West? The beat is pretty cool and its quite catchy. I don't like Kanye much as a person but this song shows his producing ability even if it was a bit half-hearted (as in it doesn't seem to have as much effort behind it as his other work). And if anyone knows the sample please state it as I recognize it but not sure from where.

[Fobb]

I've heard it, didn't really like it too much. The beat didn't catch my ear...dunno.

[Steagol]

Awesome rapper. Problem is, some kids that think they know a lot about rap say he's "overrated". It's one thing listening to him when he's alive, and hearing about him afterwards.

Meh, it's better than running into Pac Posers. Ya know, the ones that only hear Ghetto Gospel and Changes, then act like they're all about Pac.

[sumwhatkrazy]

My lil bro likes alota g-unit, well, 50. an eminem, but not as much, seemingly anymore.
Umm, i try to push dogg pound on him(lol), he like sum snoop, he liked eastsidaz an likes kurupt.
Games new video is "wouldnt get far" with kayne west.

[Fobb]

Meh, it's better than running into Pac Posers. Ya know, the ones that only hear Ghetto Gospel and Changes, then act like they're all about Pac.

Agreed. Those and people that keep coming up with "evidence" that he's still alive.

My lil bro likes alota g-unit, well, 50. an eminem, but not as much, seemingly anymore.
Umm, i try to push dogg pound on him(lol), he like sum snoop, he liked eastsidaz an likes kurupt.
Games new video is "wouldnt get far" with kayne west.

Games album or Kanye's?

[sumwhatkrazy]

Games album.

[littlebuster212]

Now if you're looking for flow, and style, you don't need to look much farther than Ludacris. He may be mainstream, but dammit, he has skill.
Yeah...I think of Ludacris as being one of the few mainstream rappers left that doesn't release senseless music, "because that's what's in." His rhymes actually make sense, eh?

[sumwhatkrazy]

I dont really like Luda that much, he dose cool guest appearances.
Nas has realeased some awesome remixs to "where are they now" a 80's version;Nas Ft. MC Shan, Raheem (Furious Five), Doctor Ice (UTFO), Kangol (UTFO), Kool Moe Dee, Sha Rock (Funky Four +1), Tito (Fearless Four), Grandmaster Caz (Cold Crush Brothers), Linque (Isis of X Clan), Dana Dane, Pebblee Poo & Just Ice,
a 90's version;Nas - Where Are Now featuring - Redhead Kingpin, Rob Base,The Original Spinderella, Father MC, Monie Love, Mike G (of the Jungle Brothers), EST (of 3XDope), Positive K, Das EFX, Fu-Shnickens, Lords of the Underground, Dres (of Black Sheep)...........2007
& a westcoast version; Nas-Where Are They Now (West Coast REMIX)
Featuring Breeze, Kam, King Tee, Candyman, Threat, Ice-T, Sir Mix-A-Lot and the Conscious Daughters (with scratches from DJ Bobcat).
The east an west versions have differant beats.
Krazy sh*t!

[Fobb]

Yeah...I think of Ludacris as being one of the few mainstream rappers left that doesn't release senseless music, "because that's what's in." His rhymes actually make sense, eh?

Word. Runaway Love ftw (can't believe I wrote that...)

[namekpimp]

Haha, wow. Luda has surprised over the past 3 albums. When he fist came out I didn't care too much for him (the royal penis is clean), but now I actually like the dude.

[GTOSub21]

I dont really like Eminem anymore and never liked 50 all that much, but has anyone heard the RE-UP it's pretty good. it's funny I only like Cashes song and Statquo.

[KingKodiak]

I'm waitin for that new Raekwon to drop, its gonna be so dope.

[sumwhatkrazy]

Re up didnt sound to great to me, but the songs ive heard multiple times have grown on me.
yeah, the new artists mentioned shine.
New Raekwon should be intresting, especially with Dre production.
Theres a new WU group album comin too.
Youze gotta check out Snoops "Heat Rocks" DL it.

[KingKodiak]

Yea the new Wu album is what I ultimatley anticipate.

[Fobb]

Since the other one seems to have disappeared.

I'd like to kick this one off with a belated R.I.P to one of it's innovators, Biggie Smalls. The anniversary of his death was a couple days ago. One of hip-hop's biggest figures, literally and metaphorically.


RIP BIG

[Haro!]

It was all a dream I used to read Word Up magazine... yeah RIP. Also does that magazine still exist? The last time I read Word Up was in 5th grade.

[Fobb]

That song was awesome.

And no, I've never heard of a word up magazine.

[Haro!]

Never?! It wasn't really good so you're not missing much.

[Fobb]

lol, well, I wasn't much of a hip-hopper back then.

And in my own defense, I first started listening to Pac and Biggie and THEN found out they were dead. So no, I'm not one of those people that give him attention because he's dead.

[Fobb]

Anyways, I've been plugging The Last Emperor like crazy for a while now, so it's time I plug him here.

The Last Emperor's Myspace Page (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=52798123)

Order of preferred listening:
1. Secret Wars pt. I
2. Secret Wars pt. II
3. He Lives/Echoleader

EDIT:

If you have ANY hopes of ANY of the superheroes to win, might as well throw your hopes in the garbage.

[Fobb]

OMG Chousho that link you sent me is AWESOME!

[Mr March]

Big fan of "The Roots" here. Their latest album that came out late last year, Game Theory, was fantastic. One of their best and definitely a bright spot for hip hop in 2006.

[Fobb]

Game Theory was okay, but it didn't hit home right off the bat. I'd have to spend a little more time with it.

[Alienkid]

big ups to pac and biggie!!

[Fobb]

Alright, I got a discussion point:

Nas. GOAT?

[sumwhatkrazy]

No way is Nas GOAT. I got all his albums excepet Nastradumas, the lost tapes and the queens bridge complimation he put out, so, iam a big fan.
He's been pretty consistant with his albums, of course his lyrical, but i dont think he is the greatest.
he a bit like Snoop, classic fist album, and continues to realease dope albums, but albums that arent good from finish to end.
I respect both of them for experimenting, yet keeping it the same, doin both commercial and underground.
I like the things Nas talks about, i recently got his "hip hop is dead" album, an maybe it jus aint grown on me, but it dosent seem all that great to me. He talks alot of truth and sense, thats for sure.
Having said all that, i dont know who is better, certeranly not Jay-z. But i aint heard a Jay album since like, his 3rd, so i cant really say that.

The roots are live in consert down here soon, i may go.

New dogg pound album out in a couple weeks, an Snoops "the bigg squeeze" complimation with his new groups is out april 11th.

[Fobb]

IMO:

There can never be a GOAT.

[sumwhatkrazy]

^lol, yeah, i mean, Snoops my fave, but is he lyrical enough to be goat? has he sold out to much? his new album aint gone platnium yet either :lol:

Oh yeah, the next single for Snoopys album is "bosses life" the album version features akon, but the video has been shot, the song re-recorded with nate dogg.
Its coz of lable politics/bullsh*t.
thats good new for DPG fans, but chart topping an sale wise, thats a big blow for Snoop. Nate is great, but Akon to dam big now, an that may just of been what coulda made Snoop go platnium for the 8th consecutive time..

[Fobb]

Man, Snoop ain't sellin out, he's just taking opportunities that any rapper would take. Not just rapper, ANYONE would take. In my eyes, he can do no wrong. He's made too many hot tracks to take that away. His style may have changed up, but he's still one of the OG's in the game.

[Mooserocka]

yea well im from philly so i love ALL philly rappers. Right now im likijn papoose. He hasnt sold out yet and his mixtape shyt is fire.

[Fobb]

yea well im from philly so i love ALL philly rappers. Right now im likijn papoose. He hasnt sold out yet and his mixtape shyt is fire.

If you haven't already, you REALLY must listen to Last Emperor. I swear to you that you won't be disappointed.

A quote from said artist:
"And if I don't float your boat, I'll retire me name"

I put a link to his myspace in the first couple of posts. Check him out when you can.

[Mr March]

The roots are live in consert down here soon, i may go.

Arrgghh! You're so lucky. I'd kill to see em live. Everyone says they are one of the best live acts.

[blaq]

even though there could never be an official, objective GOAT...

I think it's fair to say that Rakim is the GOAT. I can't think of one person who did more to move the genre forward as far as style, rhyme scheme and etc were concerned.. You can pretty much trace every new school favorite back to his work. DMX is dang near a carbon copy of him..

I think the next person that would Share in GOAT honors is Blackthought. Not too many people I've heard have his versatility or cleverness with the verbs. He's the complete package.

Honorable mention to MF Doom, Mos Def, and Melly Mel.

[sumwhatkrazy]

^ iagree to some extent with some of what you say. Its just sad that most of the real lyrical rappers of today just cannot make a good album. they are clearly more skilled lyrically, but just cant make great albums, if they can even get a record deal.....Crooked i anyone?
Man, Snoop ain't sellin out, he's just taking opportunities that any rapper would take. Not just rapper, ANYONE would take. In my eyes, he can do no wrong. He's made too many hot tracks to take that away. His style may have changed up, but he's still one of the OG's in the game.

I agree 100%, i was being sarcastic, but alot of ppl think he is a sellout. Ppl that have no knowledge, really, ppl that only know Snoop from seein him with Pharell an Pussycat dolls, Akon, etc.
They dont hear the rest of his album, or see all the underground sh*t he be doin.
I respect him so much, not only dose he put out so much good music, he is a very very smart buisness man. Certeranly not in all areas, but musically, he's everywhere, he's always had his own style, he's actaully a much more talent MC than ppl realise too, he can be very lyrical, he use to rap very quick and agressive, he can freestyle like a mutaphuker, puts on a good live show, etc.
From his commercial hits to his gangsat sh*t, he really dose experimant and adapt to the new times, yet manages to keep it the same at the same time.
And now, ontop of everything else, he is producing.
Alot of ppl act like your fave rapper has to be underground or a freestyler/battle rapper/super lyrical, for you to be a real hip hop head, but lyrics aint everything without a smart buisness mind or decent production, creativeness, originality, and being able to make a album that dosent only appeal to one type of fan.

[Fobb]

^Just to summarize your thoughts:


Backpackers suck


And I'm guilty of not having listened to Rakim or Blackthought yet.

Blackstar was awesome tho. THE greatest duet in rap history.

[sumwhatkrazy]

Whao, words put in my mouth..
U neva heard Rakim? , You realise that Black though is from the roots?
Blackstar?

[Fobb]

Roots. I've never really gotten into them.

Blackstar man. The greatest rap duet ever! Talib Kweli and Mos Def, BOTH at their primes dropped a duo album named blackstar, and their union was named exactly that.

Message me if you'd like me to up it for you.

[Solid_Snake]

HIP HOP IS DEAD!

Caps...

[Fobb]

Nas fan?

What's your take on the arguement?

[Fobb]

*hoping to lure CoolVidelGirl*

So how bout them hieroglyphs?

[Evil_Koala]

Ya Get Skeeted On!

Anyone heard that song? It's pretty amazing.

[sumwhatkrazy]

Ah, ok, well, i know that mos def an Talib Kweli is pretty dope, iam not overly a fan, but i have respect for them.
HIP HOP IS DEAD!

Its actually not true. Its true in the way of the marketing and buisness sense. Hip hop has been dumbed down, waterd down, and whenever theere is a trend, the record companies want theartists to jump on that, rahther thna be creative and do someting original and new.
its become to cloned an sterotypical. Artists cannot get deals.
More and more rappers are going the indie route and resoting to mix tapes and internet albums.
Musical sales in gerneral are way way down, it aint only applieing with hip hop.
Music is dead. Most music that record companies have intrest in are just for the cloned sheep, the trned followers, the band wangon jumpers, little girls. manufactured(sp?), copyin, song remakes, etc etc.
But, how can hip hop be dead? Its still alive and thriving. Sakes wise, its gone down hill, lyric wise, largely dumbed down, theres more an more pop rap an soft rap, but thats really just a sighn of the times, it has adapted an evolved and there is hip hop out there for everybodys taste.
It just seems dead because most of the reconised/sucsessful rappers are untalented or all sound the same.
How can it be dead when there are still ledgends from the golden era still doin it an puttin out new groups.
How can it be dead when its a culture and theres still graff artists, dj's freestylers, battle rappers, etc.
Rasskass, crooked i, Chino XL, Company flow, murs, blackalicious, planet asia, del &, hieroglyphics Nas ETC, all still puttin out traditional, original, lyrical, hip hop that aint jus talking about h*es, money and guns/ an that crappy club rap.
AND, KRS-1 is still alive! lol

hieroglyphics?
OMG, they are dope. One of the several westcoast hip hopers like pharcyde, murs, planet asia, etc, that dont do gangsta rap just because they can, them dudes are amazing. Del is my fave, he took a break and has been studyig music and is comin out with a new solo this year, as well as another deltron album with dan the auto mator.

[Fobb]

I wanna get up on the Heiro, but currently, I'm gonna be reviewing Murs, by a certain members suggestion.

Man, I couldn't have put it better. Hip-Hop ain't dead. It won't be for a while. Personally, I think all music is gonna turn around, and regain it's old glory. I mean, look around. There is so much discord amongst any genre of music. There is underground rock, underground rap. I'd be surprised if there wasn't an underground country faction. A lot of people are waking up, and realizing that the music they're listening to is only a temporary buzz, and they need the real joints. It'll happen soon. I'll put my monopoly money on it.

[sumwhatkrazy]

Yup. There are alot of talented new , young up an comers, but i maust admit, ive found very few that really do it for me, so, i guess if the new rappers fail, hip hop could die.
But theres always going to be good hip hop out there, an it will never completely die.
And yes, same thing with rock, how dead is rock? it got to the point where it was the same to, and as old rockers said, there were no good guitr soloist anymore, but i bet there plenty of great rockers doin gigs that aint got record deals.
like the UK band BOA, they great, but they indie an only people who have seen the anime "lain" or accidently discover them by searching for music by the Korean pop singer BOA find them.
The best rappers just get no recignition or record deals/promotion, but its certeranly out there, an its world wide, sh*t, the new gerneration here all listen to Aussie rap/local rap, iam sure its the same all around the world.

I aint heard that many songs from murs, but what i have heard, i do like.
You should look into crooked i an raskass, try an find "the four horsemen" album that neva came out(i got a promo copy), its Kurupt(dpg), Canibus, Raskass & Killa preist(wu tang), helter skelter are the only feature i think, was dope as.

[Fobb]

Rass kinda pissed me off with that whole Game beef. He was screwing himself on that one.

[sumwhatkrazy]

i got the new Soopafly album an the new Dogg pound album, i'll post some feed back when i give em a listen.
Apparantly Crooked i has the biggest song of his career being put on the net soon and will be announceing a lable deal.

[Fobb]

It's kinda funny how you are the first person to hear about anything California related when it comes to music, lol.

Lemme know what you think, I think I'll check it out.

[sumwhatkrazy]

lol, well, i do follow it alot an dont actually listen to Aussie stuff much -_-; lol.

Oh yeah, i just seen the new Snoop video "bosses life" nate dogg is good on there but the Akon version woulda been a bigger chance of charting, we'll see how it goes.
i still aint listend to them albums, aint had time.

[Fobb]

Can't wait for the new Canibus to drop, it'll be pure dope. Anyone hear about his revolutionary track?

[sumwhatkrazy]

The Soopafly album is real good. It has good production, mostly a underground, darker, agressive type feel, but with song that really have tha dogg pound sound, some dope bass lines an funky sh*t, some good dpg posse cuts with Snoop, nate, daz , kurupt, etc.
The dogg pound album sounded pretty good, i been to listen to it more, its also overal, very agressive an dark, but has some laid back songs. few songs with snoop, bad azz on there, brotha lynch, too $hort, jayo felony, glasses malone, dresta, b.g knocc out, the game, etc.
Kurupt sounded a bit more vicious again on some of the tracks.
I liked the Soopafly album better.

Bar, i aint heard anythin new but canibus for a while. Whats the deal with track?

[Fobb]

It's either a track with 1000 bars, or a track with infinite verses. What he's gonna do is make a song with 200 bars, or something. And there are I think 5 different ways the song can be mixed, so each time, it'll bring up a new verse each time, thus either creating the infinite track, or the 1000 bar track. It'll be called "Poet Laurette Infinity" on his new album "For Whom the Beat Tolls"

[Rurouni Saiyan]

I know he's been out for a while, but I found an awesome artist: Shurik'n. He's a French rap artist who's song Samurai is the theme song for Georges St. Pierre (GSP) in the UFC. I heard the song the other day and, while I don't understand a lick of French, was awesome.

I need to get this CD if possible.

[Fobb]

What's the CD called?

[Rurouni Saiyan]

What's the CD called?

That's what I'm still tyring to get info on. From the two songs that I heard, I forgot the other, he's awesome.

[Fobb]

You're trying to find the one with Samurai on it right?

[Rurouni Saiyan]

You're trying to find the one with Samurai on it right?

Yea. I got it.

Ou je vis. That's the name of the CD.

[Fobb]

I'll check it out

[sumwhatkrazy]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b18/MrKrazy_1981/crookedi.jpg

LMAO! dam man, this dude super lyrical, used to be down with DPG, wastid 4 years on Deathrow records after the lable was dead, been in the game for like 11 years, apparantly a big announcement bout to be made, like a big track an lable, but amn, lol @ pic.

EDIT, he hsa NO album, thats why this is funny.

[Fobb]

LOL

Someone should put Dr. Dre's face on there

[Evil_Koala]

I like that song by DMX..."Lord Give Me A Sign"

[Fobb]

Twas awesome. I haven't heard it in a while. Year of the Dog Again wasn't as cool as I would have liked.

[Evil_Koala]

Twas awesome. I haven't heard it in a while. Year of the Dog Again wasn't as cool as I would have liked.

I only know like 3 of his songs including that one. As far as I can tell that's the only one without profanity.

[Fobb]

LOL well you must have heard the radio cut.

[Evil_Koala]

LOL well you must have heard the radio cut.

Why would he cuss in a Christian song...? XD

[Fobb]

LOL you'd be surprised.

EDIT: Ever heard of "Crunk for Jesus"?

[Evil_Koala]

LOL you'd be surprised.

EDIT: Ever heard of "Crunk for Jesus"?

No, but I've seen people at my Church with shirts that say that. You need a Crunk for Allah shirt.

[Rurouni Saiyan]

I've gotten a bit into Korean Hip Hop as well. One group that really interests me is Epik High, especially their song, Remapping the human soul.

The album shares the title with the song, btw.

[Fobb]

No, but I've seen people at my Church with shirts that say that. You need a Crunk for Allah shirt.

Well see, the problem with that is that most of us realize that getting crazy drunk isn't synonymous with Godliness.

[Evil_Koala]

Well see, the problem with that is that most of us realize that getting crazy drunk isn't synonymous with Godliness.

Well so do I. I can't speak for the rest of the Christian nation, though.

[Fobb]

Me neither. It's funny how some kiddies think that if they put "for jesus" at the end of something, that makes it okay.

[Evil_Koala]

Me neither. It's funny how some kiddies think that if they put "for jesus" at the end of something, that makes it okay.

Yeah! Kill the Jews...for Jesus!

[Depression]

On his first 3-4 (maybe more?) albums DMX has had prayer songs. Well, they're not really songs. Just him praying in rhyme form acapella.

Slippen off his 2nd album was one of his better (and clean) songs.

[Fobb]

I've heard that on stage, he can start crying on command. That's pretty awesome. Add's to the emotion. His songs used to be awesome, adrenaline filled.

[sumwhatkrazy]

LOL

Someone should put Dr. Dre's face on there

Well, i kinda see your point, but at least Dre has TWO solo albums, not to mention the two n.w.a albums an the world class wreckin crew stuff.
But yes, it ahs been 8 years for Dre, but his third and final solo WILL be out this year.
Crooked i was down with snoops original doggystyle records, c-styles 19th street records, deathrow records, now his own loable and NO album, he was spoed to have a album on deathrow like 5-6 years ago, lol.

[Rurouni Saiyan]

Got some new tracks (well not so new in Chronological sense):

The perfect beat by Marcelo D2 (Brazilian artist)
Classik by Bakar (French artist)

I've been listening to a lot of foreign hip-hop lately. I've found the Brazilian and French stuff to be really good. Also, the Koreans really have their game on, courtesy of Epik High.

[sumwhatkrazy]

Why listen to sh*t u cant understand???
Check out sum Aussie hip hop if you wanna hear non American/non gangsta/bling/club rap. ;p

[Fobb]

The singles off the Bone Thugs CD are awesome. I seriously can't wait for them to drop. It's a shame they can't have all four on though, that'd be the greatest. This better be better than Resurrection.

[Rurouni Saiyan]

Why listen to sh*t u cant understand???
Check out sum Aussie hip hop if you wanna hear non American/non gangsta/bling/club rap. ;p

Oh yea. Austrailia has some good stuff as well. There was this one track I heard that was set to guitar acoustics and it was tight.

On the subject of not understanding what the artist is saying, I don't have to. In recent times, I've decided that music is better felt, not heard. If the track is giving off a good vibe and beat, then I could care less about the language.

[Fobb]

If you haven't already, check out Changes by Tupac. That has to be my favorite beat with an acoustic guitar ever. You should be able to find it on google.

[Rurouni Saiyan]

I'm still getting around to checking out changes by Tupac.

Lately, I've been getting into French Hip-Hop. I've had a taste for foreign hip hop as of late, but the French stuff just has that vibe that flows.

[Fobb]

Does UK hip-hop count? I heard they had some talent.

[Rurouni Saiyan]

I haven't heard much from the UK. I've been looking around and only heard Lady Sovereign, Lady Dynamite, and this one artist on the soundtrack from the movie Green Street Hooligans.

[sumwhatkrazy]

Ey, theres 5 members in Bone mate :P well, was..
yeah, i think sum hip hop i dont understand the language sounds dope, as far as the beat an flow/rhythm/feel, but the lyrics are such a major part of what hip hop is about, so not for me if me no speak that. i do like some Japanese music that i cant undersatnd, but not hip hop.
I like roots manover from the UK, got 2 of his albums an i heard other got UK rap.