Jay-Z does some crazy ish...boundaries are non-existant to him

[Fobb]

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3452/jayzthemakoalbumcdbo7.jpg

[HSaabedra]

I call bootleg mixtape.
Where can I get my copy?

[Fobb]

Teh internet.


I saw it on a music forum, but I'm not entirely sure it's real or not. I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

[Old Ape Face]

well to mix with Linkin Park was one thing, but to go pixelated and Japanese :blink: that's ridiculous.

well i guess i can't say this is bad, becuase my sister's boyfriend has this album called the Grey album, it's Jay-Z's black album mixed with songs from the Beatles white Album. I've never listened to it to tell you if it sucks or not, but i guess if you have that much of a wide taste in music then the I guess that's for you

[Fobb]

Everyone thought Collision Course was crazy, but after that, not many things seem ridiculous when he does em.

[HSaabedra]

Found it!!! YAY!

[Old Ape Face]

Everyone thought Collision Course was crazy, but after that, not many things seem ridiculous when he does em.

I didn't mind Collision Course, when i first heard 99 steps closer to the edge, i was like, that's crazy, in a good way. i thought it was some garage band people cropping and mixing the 2 cds, but the moment i heard Mike rapping one of the verses, my jaw dropped, i hadn't realized it was him rapping till i heard it close up.

Then I hear his Fort Minor album, and the Collision Course feels like old news now it's not really that big of a deal.

[animeotaku99]

Gotta be fake, Jay-Z's music and FF7 just dont mix. there isnt any pimp slapping adn drive by shootings in ff7

[Fobb]

Gotta be fake, Jay-Z's music and FF7 just dont mix. there isnt any pimp slapping adn drive by shootings in ff7

I honestly have to ask if you know Jay. From that comment, I'm thinking you kinda don't no offense

[Old Ape Face]

I honestly have to ask if you know Jay. From that comment, I'm thinking you kinda don't no offense

i can believe it, i mean it sounds a bit fishy an all, going to a video game franchise but jay Z isn't someone who wouldn't go out of his way for something new, Linkin Park was a one of them.

[Animematt55]

Gotta be fake, or this JayZ guy is just being a money *****.
I suppose you can count the highway game in FF7 as a kind of 'drive by'....

[Fobb]

When someone does something and you don't like em, they're a money ***** right?

[Old Ape Face]

When someone does something and you don't like em, they're a money ***** right?

V_V that the bastard attitude to a band going Sell Out. Happened most of my favorite bands, who are still my favorite bands.

[Fobb]

V_V that the bastard attitude to a band going Sell Out. Happened most of my favorite bands, who are still my favorite bands.

I don't like when people get that mentality. As long as they don't do something too extreme, and they still make hits, it's all good with me.

PS: I'm listening to it. It's a mixtape. New beats, I think the producers name is Nobuo Uematsu or something. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'll critique it as soon as I'm done.

[Fobb]

Okay...


I don't even have to listen to 1 and a half of the tracks to tell you the beats match the lyrics not even 5%....

[animeotaku99]

I honestly have to ask if you know Jay. From that comment, I'm thinking you kinda don't no offense

Honestly the only thing I know about him is his name. I dont like rap music so I was just flaming. But rap music doesn't fit anime/video games that I know anyways. FF being one of these.
^ so the lyics DONT match the beat is what you're saying?

[Fobb]

Honestly the only thing I know about him is his name. I dont like rap music so I was just flaming. But rap music doesn't fit anime/video games that I know anyways. FF being one of these

That's not always the case. But you do know it doesn't make any sense flaming something you know nothing about right? I'm laying this out nicely for you, because I know for a fact some others here might be a little harsher on you for it. You watch anime right? (what am I saying...of course you do). How do you feel when someone says that anime is only the legal way to jack off to kids?

[animeotaku99]

That's not always the case. But you do know it doesn't make any sense flaming something you know nothing about right? I'm laying this out nicely for you, because I know for a fact some others here might be a little harsher on you for it. You watch anime right? (what am I saying...of course you do). How do you feel when someone says that anime is only the legal way to jack off to kids?

I laugh... I rarely get all bent out of shape about stuff. It really doesn't bother me

[Fobb]

I laugh... I rarely get all bent out of shape about stuff. It really doesn't bother me

To tell you the truth, I do the same when people do it with rap, but let's use someone else as an example. The usual response would be "you don't watch anime, you wouldn't know anything about it" right?

Same goes for rap. If I pointed you out to three good tracks right now, and you listened to them openmindedly, I'm sure I can change your opinion on rap. You might not be the biggest hip hop head, but you'll certainly learn to respect it more.

EDIT: I like the mixing on 99 problems. That's one song I like so far

[animeotaku99]

What is the album anyways? rap lyrics put to teh Advent Children OST? and I just dont like rap or anything about it, the beat, the lyrics, the vocals.

[HSaabedra]

I laugh... I rarely get all bent out of shape about stuff. It really doesn't bother me

If hip hop didn't belong in anime then why are more and more anime/manga being produced with predominantly African/African-American themes (Samurai Champloo, Afro Samurai, Samurai Gun, Tokyo Tribes, many Blade doujins, and many other projects.) It seems to me you're just being ignorant of what's around you.

[Fobb]

It's old vocals mixed to some FF beats.

[animeotaku99]

I havent really seen much african american influence in anime, there are african/ black charcters every once and a while. I havent seen any of those animes but Samurai Champloo, and I dont remmeber seeing any african influences in it, please point them out ( I avent seen much of it thogh)
^ That just doesn't seem like it would work to me, but maybe it does.

[Old Ape Face]

If hip hop didn't belong in anime then why are more and more anime/manga being produced with predominantly African/African-American themes (Samurai Champloo, Afro Samurai, Samurai Gun, Tokyo Tribes, many Blade doujins, and many other projects.) It seems to me you're just being ignorant of what's around you.

Ignorant? what's ignorant about African American themes, if Anime is moving away from Japan i'd say that's a good thing.

oh i see what you're getting at, never mind ^_^

[HSaabedra]

I havent really seen much african american influence in anime, there are african/ black charcters every once and a while. I havent seen any of those animes but Samurai Champloo, and I dont remmeber seeing any african influences in it, please point them out ( I avent seen much of it thogh)
^ That just doesn't seem like it would work to me, but maybe it does.

I'm mainly refering to the soundtrack and Jin's fighting style as well as the subtle hints of modern hip hop culture, flashy jewlery and weapons and such.

[Old Ape Face]

I think a foreign style in anime is a good approach to new anime, especially since anime has concentrated about japan for decades the step out of japan themes seem in my opinion a good market strategy maybe it'll draw more people into anime.

[Fobb]

^ That just doesn't seem like it would work to me, but maybe it does.

Didn't really work for me either...I heard Public Service Announcement being mixed, and thought I'd rather listen to the original.


And if you have time, would you mind doing me a favor? Check out a song called "One Wish" by Last Emperor. Listen to it open mindedly (especially the lyrics) and tell me what you thought about it.

EDIT: Wait, before you do that lemme confirm that that's the name of the track.

EDIT EDIT: Just listen to some of these (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=83215819) songs

[animeotaku99]

I listened to a par tof THE ONE and I had to look up teh lyrics to understand it, but anyways about the lyrics themselves... I really dont see much difference then other hip-hop/rap artist use. I know it isnt all about Hos drugs and guns.
And the music itself just doesnt appeal to me. IF it works for you thats fine.

[Animematt55]

Samurai Champloo wasnt really made for a Japanese audience. They had the AMerican audience in mind when they made it (it is from the Cowboy bebop guy right? and Bebop didnt do well in Japan at all). And i wouldnt say that hiphop is necessarily an african american culture thing....i see it in the white suburban areas all the time.
So basically champloo is kind of playing off Hip hops popularity in America.
Also, care to explain how their weapons are hiphop liike?

[HSaabedra]

Samurai Champloo wasnt really made for a Japanese audience. They had the AMerican audience in mind when they made it (it is from the Cowboy bebop guy right? and Bebop didnt do well in Japan at all). And i wouldnt say that hiphop is necessarily an african american culture thing....i see it in the white suburban areas all the time.
So basically champloo is kind of playing off Hip hops popularity in America.
Also, care to explain how their weapons are hiphop liike?

Flashy, big, and ornamented. Also while it may have been coopted by suburbia, it will always be from The Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, Brooklyn, etc..

[Fobb]

I listened to a par tof THE ONE and I had to look up teh lyrics to understand it, but anyways about the lyrics themselves... I really dont see much difference then other hip-hop/rap artist use. I know it isnt all about Hos drugs and guns.
And the music itself just doesnt appeal to me. IF it works for you thats fine.

I suppose. But yeah, just saying, it makes no sense flaming it just cuz it's not your taste.

[animeotaku99]

Flashy, big, and ornamented. Also while it may have been coopted by suburbia, it will always be from The Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, Brooklyn, etc..

That really doesn't make the weapons african/hip-hopish but Im sure there are other animes tart are a better example of anmime using hip-hop to market to a different audience
and I just like flaming, I play "devils advocate" in my Criminal ustice classes all the time

[Animematt55]

Flashy, big, and ornamented. Also while it may have been coopted by suburbia, it will always be from The Bronx, Queens, Staten Island, Brooklyn, etc..

big flashy weapons ent really anything new in anime
THe main character...doesnt he have like a jitte thing as his gaurd?

[Old Ape Face]

i wouldn't be surprised to see a complete composition based on the American life style, in a few years. the boondocks doesn't count.

[HSaabedra]

big flashy weapons ent really anything new in anime
THe main character...doesnt he have like a jitte thing as his gaurd?

He does, but remember he carries his sword like someone would carry a ghetto blaster.

[animeotaku99]

i wouldn't be surprised to see a complete composition based on the American life style, in a few years. the boondocks doesn't count.

YOu mean with loud alcoholic blond girls every where? thats usually the stereotypical america girl in anime
and whats a ghetto blaster

[Animematt55]

He does, but remember he carries his sword like someone would carry a ghetto blaster.

care to explain?
I usualy see pics of him with it over his shoulder.
Remember, one of the characters in the original seven Samurai also carried his nodachi like that. I forget his name

[Old Ape Face]

Mugan looks like someone from the ghetto :P

[HSaabedra]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boombox

[Old Ape Face]

YOu mean with loud alcoholic blond girls every where? thats usually the stereotypical america girl in anime
and whats a ghetto blaster


Correction, Wrong type of blaster.

and yeah the blond girls, but also i'm talking about American Politics, life styles, like county and suburbs and the city. stuff that's too wide open to be considered Japanese.

[Animematt55]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boombox

ok, but like i said, Kikuchiyo (Toshiro Mifune) — carried HIS sword just like that.

[HSaabedra]

ok, but like i said, Kikuchiyo (Toshiro Mifune) — carried HIS sword just like that.

We're not talking about Kurosawa films though.

[Animematt55]

Does it really matter? They carry their weapon in the same manner.

[Old Ape Face]

according to the manga Champloo means a mix, and that's what the intention of Samurai Champloo was about, a mix of styles.

[animeotaku99]

The way he carries his sword has nothing to do with the ghetto or anything hip-hop.
Tenjho-Tenge has japanese hip-hop themes to it, and a balck character

[Old Ape Face]

still Mugan reminds me of a gangster from the ghetto. :P

[CapnTylor]

Man it's hilarious how subconciously racist a couple of people here are.

[Old Ape Face]

I'm not being Racist it's what the public Media would describe a run down part of a city. don't take it as something i hate.

[CapnTylor]

I'm not being Racist it's what the public Media would describe a run down part of a city. don't take it as something i hate.

Eh, not you. Actually now that I think about it the racist card is a pretty retarted thing to pull. ...But for certain North Dakotans, I think it is fair.

On Topic: Call me when there's an FFIX remix.

[Animematt55]

Hey, dont be racist to North Dakotans! We are all so white up here cause we have snow 10 months out of the year. =P

[GreatNekoKoneko]

im gonna go all teknoman on you guys:

...who is this "Jay-Z"? is he a music artist? if so, why?

[Old Ape Face]

Wikipedia is your god too. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Z)

[Suki]

http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3452/jayzthemakoalbumcdbo7.jpg

How stupid could you be? It's obviously fake, and the cropping job is terrible.

[Fobb]

How stupid could you be? It's obviously fake, and the cropping job is terrible.

Wow. They sure fooled me....they put out the CD for me to hear and everything...

EDIT: Which I did, by the way, happen to hear.

[Suki]

Wow. They sure fooled me....they put out the CD for me to hear and everything...

EDIT: Which I did, by the way, happen to hear.

But it's not an official album...

[CrossboneGundam]

Teh internet.


I saw it on a music forum, but I'm not entirely sure it's real or not. I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

:lol:

Yeah, that looks so professional, and totally not a low quality MS paint edit.

im gonna go all teknoman on you guys:

...who is this "Jay-Z"? is he a music artist? if so, why?

More like: is he on real world, or joe millionaire? can he beat the cast of Bonanza in an air-hockey tournament? what about the bachelor? how do i shot web? do food network survive without emeril?

[Fobb]

He had to agree to it to some extent, or else it would be illegal, and Jay would probably get the dude arrested. Just because it's a crappy cover, doesn't mean it's not REAL (in the basic sense of the word)

[sumwhatkrazy]

Samurai Champloo is saturated(sp?) with hip hop culture.
Del did a cool track about video games, hes inta anime an that aorta ****, hooked up Japanese dj's like Dan the audomator(sp? lol).
An thats true, hell albums have shite covers.

[GreatNekoKoneko]

... i could have sworn that sumwhatkrazy has discovered a new language. cuz i sure can't understand him.

...still doesn't answer my question. who is Jay-Z and why is he famous?

[Fobb]

...still doesn't answer my question. who is Jay-Z and why is he famous?

Jay-Z is a hip hop icon. Actually, drop the hip hop part, he's an icon period. He started off as a rapper, and established himself as an entrepreneur (sp?). He's the founder of the Rocawear brand, and Roc-A-Fella records. He's part owner of the New Jersey Nets too.

Oh yeah. He owns Nas now too...

EDIT: I just remembered a rap track where a japanese artist was featured. He did his verse (a pretty big one at that) entirely in Japanese. In the end, the other dude summarized it in English. It was a cool track. The song is called "Osaka Tales" and it's by Living Legends, but the name of the Japanese artist escapes my mind. I recommend checking it out. Like it or not, Japan is intertwined extremely in the hip hop culture. Get over it.

[sumwhatkrazy]

Theres DJ honda, Japanese DJ, Dan the automator, Japanese DJ, ahh, KRS-1 and Warren-g did a track with a female Japanese artist, A groupd from Long beach called "Foesum" got A Japanese rapper on their album.
Anyways, yeah, Jay-z bloddy huge man, must have at least 8 albums, mustve sold more records thna most rappers, i belive his new album got eight Dre beats??
Asif you aint heard his collabos with Linkin park and the ones with Beyonce???

[Old Ape Face]

... i could have sworn that sumwhatkrazy has discovered a new language. cuz i sure can't understand him.

...still doesn't answer my question. who is Jay-Z and why is he famous?

I believe i posted a Wikipedia link somewhere, or did you over look it?

[GreatNekoKoneko]

... i don't trust wikipedia. besides, Jay-z could be writing his own article and extending his own e-penis.

[Old Ape Face]

Well wikipedia's the best source result i can give you, can't explain it much more then that.

[Fobb]

... i don't trust wikipedia. besides, Jay-z could be writing his own article and extending his own e-penis.

It's approved by the community. Not many people realize that it has to be true, or else it'll be rejected. But anyways, I summarized it for you.

[Suki]

... i could have sworn that sumwhatkrazy has discovered a new language. cuz i sure can't understand him.

...still doesn't answer my question. who is Jay-Z and why is he famous?

I only caught him saying "aorta." Why on earth are you talking about the human body?

[Haro!]

I do hope GNK is joking about not knowing who Jay-Z is... NJ isn't that uncivilized.
As far as Jay-Z for getting credit for this particular album. I don't think the credit is for Jay-Z (the knowing no barriers, I mean he doesn't but this isn't an example) and strictly goes for the producer of the album (sort of like the Grey album). Oh and I haven't heard this yet.

[HSaabedra]

I do hope GNK is joking about not knowing who Jay-Z is... NJ isn't that uncivilized.
As far as Jay-Z for getting credit for this particular album. I don't think the credit is for Jay-Z (the knowing no barriers, I mean he doesn't but this isn't an example) and strictly goes for the producer of the album (sort of like the Grey album). Oh and I haven't heard this yet.

Mashups fail hard. Even the Grey Album had its faults. Sad that music is being treated like Dixie cups.

[Haro!]

Mashups fail hard. Even the Grey Album had its faults. Sad that music is being treated like Dixie cups.

Well that is of course debatable, the main point was though the creation of the mash up doesn't rely so much on the artist but the person doing the mash-up. I think to some extent a lot of hip hop is doing a mash-up. Well more back in the day anyway when sampling (which seemed to be done more creatively, yes I am looking at you Kanye!) was more prominent.Though in those cases its both the DJ getting credit for using the sample and the MC doing the lyrics to flow with said sample. Anyway how did I start talking about his.. I don't know ignore the incoherency of my post.

[HSaabedra]

Well that is of course debatable, the main point was though the creation of the mash up doesn't rely so much on the artist but the person doing the mash-up. I think to some extent a lot of hip hop is doing a mash-up. Well more back in the day anyway when sampling (which seemed to be done more creatively, yes I am looking at you Kanye!) was more prominent.Though in those cases its both the DJ getting credit for using the sample and the MC doing the lyrics to flow with said sample. Anyway how did I start talking about his.. I don't know ignore the incoherency of my post.

DJ Shadow is a better example of of creative sampling.

[namekpimp]

Mm, Def Jam Japan.

Is there any known place that I may find a sample of this album?

[Haro!]

DJ Shadow is a better example of of creative sampling.

Yeah definitely I was more pointing at Kanye not being an example of creative sampling. His beats are occasionally hot but if you think about it he's basically doing the same thing with a different sample.

[Fobb]

I only gave Jay credit for it, because I thought it'd be a new CD with new vocals, and whatnot. Didn't realize it was a mixtape. Sorry bout that.

[Westlo]

This is like the 500th album to mix beats to Jay-Z's vocals from The Black Album.

A large portion of the material on this album was produced by Kanye West and represents one of his (Kanye's) first major breaks in the industry. The Blueprint also includes the popular "Izzo (H.O.V.A.)" and "Takeover," a song that takes on rivals Prodigy of Mobb Deep and Nas.

Boo at the Wiki article not mentioning Just Blaze