Why Kefka is the greatest FF villain ever...

[sfried]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6EkWp79co

lol at "MAMA'S BOY!"

[Animematt55]

LoL, that was awesome

[Lunay]

Calling Sephiroth a mama's boy was hilarious.

That guy cosplaying as Kefka is too good. Its almost exactly how I imagine Kekfa.

[Akito]

Man, the laugh was perfect.

[Jae Hoon]

This of course coming from a guy dressing like a character that makes Kuja look manly.

[HitokiriShadow]

Kefka may dress like a clown, but I can at least tell he's a guy.

Was that Ifrit chasing him down the hallway?

[Yukito Kunisaki]

Lol, that was good, but I would still love to hear him atleast TRY to laugh saying "Whoop whoop whoop whoop" haha. Honestly, I still like Exdeath more, Kefka scares me ;_;

The mamas boy part kicked a** though, That pulls him deep into character :D.

[sfried]

Lol, that was good, but I would still love to hear him atleast TRY to laugh saying "Whoop whoop whoop whoop" haha. Honestly, I still like Exdeath more, Kefka scares me ;_;

The mamas boy part kicked a** though, That pulls him deep into character :D.

He does pool of the *whoop* *whoop*ing part pretty accurate. In fact, if Kefka were made flesh, that would exactly be what he sounds like.

Kefka may dress like a clown, but I can at least tell he's a guy.

Was that Ifrit chasing him down the hallway?

Yes, that was Ifrite. Apparently it took place at some convention... Amano's World (but what's Sephiroth doing there in that case? He's Nomura)

[gameoffreak8]

Lamo. Indeed, Kefka is the greatest FF villain.

[Joeshie]

Badass mama's boy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one dimensional, retarded clown

Actually, most Final Fantasy villians are superior to Kefka. At least they recieve some character development.

[HitokiriShadow]

None of the Pre-FF7 main villains had any character development as I recall. They were a bunch of Ultimate Evils. Kefka at least had a memorable laugh and was certifiably insane.

Yes, that was Ifrite. Apparently it took place at some convention... Amano's World (but what's Sephiroth doing there in that case? He's Nomura)

I thought it was Ifrit, but the video quality was so poor.... and according to the YouTube video, it was at Metrocon. The Amano stuff was a big attraction, but surely not the only event. I believe Amano had some involvement in the FF7 original character designs also. And since Amano is so involved in Final Fantasy, when there is something involving Amanao, any FF is fair game.

[ryushe]

ZOMG, that was so LAME...

[sfried]

Badass mama's boy >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one dimensional, retarded clown

Actually, most Final Fantasy villians are superior to Kefka. At least they recieve some character development.

Actually, Kefka recieved a fair bit of exposition, including his connections with Gastahl. Also, unlike most FF villains, he actually succeeded in what he aimed to become: A god.

But unlike that reatrded bishounen Sephiroth, Kefka cares much less about ruling the world than destroying everything in existence entirely. That, I believe, is what makes him superior to other villains.

[KingNe!]

There was a child-like innocence to Kefka...even if it did ivolve wanton destruction. I think he received appropriate development. Not every villain needs a bloody tragic backstory. Kefka served his purpose as an antagonist as well as providing some humour. Every villain before FF6 were just lame stereotypes. Kefka broke that trend. Granted, he may not seem so original now. He really reminds me of Mugetsu from ''The Bouncer''.

[ryushe]

I don't wanna start a "Who's a better FF villain", But I gotta say Sephiroth was a better villain by far.

His story made up maybe 70% of the whole game. Never have I played an RPG with the main antagonist portrayed as Sephiroth was. At certain points of the game, I was actually sympathizing with him and hoped he did destroy the world.

I played FFVI once and from beginning to end, I honestly don't remember anything notable about Kefka other than his laugh, Where as Sephiroth, I can list a dozen easily (The top one being the death of a annoying flower girl).

Edit: I agree with every villain post VI had no story what so ever.

[Joeshie]

Actually, Kefka recieved a fair bit of exposition, including his connections with Gastahl. Also, unlike most FF villains, he actually succeeded in what he aimed to become: A god.

But unlike that reatrded bishounen Sephiroth, Kefka cares much less about ruling the world than destroying everything in existence entirely. That, I believe, is what makes him superior to other villains.

Kefka is still an utterly one-dimensional villian. All you see of him is always the same kind of insanity. It quickly gets boring and makes for the poor design of a villian.

[KingNe!]

I think Kefka fares better as a symbol or embodiment of gleeful insanity than an actual character. I'm only half way through FF7, so I can't judge Sephiroth just yet. However, as someone said earlier, he certainly does get points for a killing a certain ****ty flower girl.

[Danju]

"I hate, hate HATE when people video tape me!"

That guy was a really good Kefka. :lol: He's exactly what I'd imagine a real Kefka would be like.

[Yukito Kunisaki]

One Dimensional? I see two, but either way, I still like the SNES ones, they have as much credit as any FF character should. Its not the dimensions that make a villian...it is the soul of the villian, the desire on what they want, what lengths they go for it, if they succeed, and if try show no mercy for anyone. Kefka filled most of that, and if not, all. Not EVERY villian succeeds at everything, but Kefka was pretty darn close if you ask me. So tell me, if Sephiroth was in an SNES game, would that make him as stupid and weak as the Sephiroth fans make him to be? Dimension has nothing at all to do with it.

[Joeshie]

One Dimensional? I see two, but either way, I still like the SNES ones, they have as much credit as any FF character should. Its not the dimensions that make a villian...it is the soul of the villian, the desire on what they want, what lengths they go for it, if they succeed, and if try show no mercy for anyone. Kefka filled most of that, and if not, all. Not EVERY villian succeeds at everything, but Kefka was pretty darn close if you ask me. So tell me, if Sephiroth was in an SNES game, would that make him as stupid and weak as the Sephiroth fans make him to be? Dimension has nothing at all to do with it.

Your right. Having a villian that has little character development is so interesting. Who cares if any villian has any motive? After all, a lack of motives thankfully keeps the viewer from actually thinking about the villain as a character or delving into the complications and conflicts of the human mind.

[Yukito Kunisaki]

Your right. Having a villian that has little character development is so interesting. Who cares if any villian has any motive? After all, a lack of motives thankfully keeps the viewer from actually thinking about the villain as a character or delving into the complications and conflicts of the human mind.

So then tell me, who was the PERFECT villain to you? Sorry, but in all reality, if you think about it, a villain can come out of no one, and the viewer would not always know anything about that villain. Ill be honest, I got bored of FF6, and it has been a while, but I know Kefka succeeded where no others ever have.

Lets say....if you were to be mugged, and the criminal gets away, and kills someone on the way, by...Idk, pushing them off into a bunch of cars... Thats still pretty bad, but do you know anything about this person? No. There is almost no chance you would.

Honestly, I hate all the FF villains anyways. If I had to choose a favorite, I would most likely choose Exdeath over them all, just because I go back with FF5. I don't think I would have ever tried actually sticking up for Kefka, but you are mildly underrating him.

Please, just tell me one of the perfect villains, I am sure they flaw just as much as Kefka....as they say, no one/nothing is perfect.

**** What they need to do is actually make a game where you never see cutscenes of the villains in their lair or anything though so you know only what your characters see. Thinking of it in a certain light, you know a hell of alot more than you should at ALOT of points in FF, which may help you in advance, but it sure spoils on surprises.****

[sfried]

I don't wanna start a "Who's a better FF villain", But I gotta say Sephiroth was a better villain by far...

I wonder how many people actually looked at the link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6EkWp79co) above...

[Joeshie]

So then tell me, who was the PERFECT villain to you? Sorry, but in all reality, if you think about it, a villain can come out of no one, and the viewer would not always know anything about that villain. Ill be honest, I got bored of FF6, and it has been a while, but I know Kefka succeeded where no others ever have.

Please do tell me where Kefka succeeded where no other villain has ever succeeded. I would love to know.

Lets say....if you were to be mugged, and the criminal gets away, and kills someone on the way, by...Idk, pushing them off into a bunch of cars... Thats still pretty bad, but do you know anything about this person? No. There is almost no chance you would.

That's great. It would just make the criminal a boring and generic villain. In fact, I would hard to actually classify him as the actual villain of said story.

Honestly, I hate all the FF villains anyways. If I had to choose a favorite, I would most likely choose Exdeath over them all, just because I go back with FF5. I don't think I would have ever tried actually sticking up for Kefka, but you are mildly underrating him.

No, I wouldn't say that I'm underrating him from my perspective. I have legitimate criticisms for the characterisation of Kefka. In fact, I would venture to say that many fans overrate Kefka. Kefka is somehow popular with "old school" Final Fantasy fans despite being a boring and one-dimensional character. Why this is the case, I will never know.

Please, just tell me one of the perfect villains, I am sure they flaw just as much as Kefka....as they say, no one/nothing is perfect.

This is completely irrelevant to the arguement. At no point did I ever state anything on the perfection of villains.

[germanturkey]

Kefka actually destoryed the world

[Gannon]

Kefka was as one-demensional as they come, but I still found him pretty interesting. You have to give him credit for becoming a god.

And no, Sephiroth's aim wasn't to "destroy the world".

[kittynboi]

Actually, Kefka recieved a fair bit of exposition, including his connections with Gastahl. Also, unlike most FF villains, he actually succeeded in what he aimed to become: A god.

But unlike that reatrded bishounen Sephiroth, Kefka cares much less about ruling the world than destroying everything in existence entirely. That, I believe, is what makes him superior to other villains.



But doesn't Exdeath want to wipe out all of existence as well? And I recall him being much more explicit about it, even going so far as to say that one he wipes out everything, then he will wipe out himself too.

Some FF villains are good, some are boring. The Final Fantasy series needs a villain of the same caliber as Kahn. (If you don't know who Kahn is, then you just lose soooo bad.)

[Yukito Kunisaki]

-As German said, Kefka actually destroyed the world, one thing i don't recall happening in FF ever, the only other who came close enough was Exdeath, sending many towns into the void.

-If Kefka isn't the main villain, than who is? That itself is irrelevant.

-Kefka may be boring to you and others...hell he bores me sometimes too, but to be honest, I hate about 95% of the villains in the PSX+ days. Yay for Sephiroth being a Mamas boy, Yay for Ultimecia, for whom you really hear nothing about until the last corner of the game, Yay for whoever the heck was FF9s boss because that game bored me before leaving the first town, and Yay for Yu Yevon and its 100% loss chance. You might not like them, but i love the classic villains more, they accomplish more than others and the villains on the older days put up atleast SOME fight. The PSX ones I could beat easy. Thanks alot KOTR, Eden, and MS for taking the fun out of it all >.>...

-I was just stating that if Kefka is so horrible with his development and is such a lacking of evil villain, I just want your idea of a good villain that has come along in the FF series, that is all.

[kittynboi]

Thanks alot KOTR, Eden, and MS for taking the fun out of it all >.>...



The don't use those attacks. I'm still playing through 12 and I rarely use quickenings because it makes things seem too easy, as I like a longer, drawn out, tactical fight.

It never ceases to astound me that people complain about a game being too easy when they could make it more difficult by simply abstaining from using the super ultimate attacks anyway.

[Yukito Kunisaki]

The don't use those attacks. I'm still playing through 12 and I rarely use quickenings because it makes things seem too easy, as I like a longer, drawn out, tactical fight.

It never ceases to astound me that people complain about a game being too easy when they could make it more difficult by simply abstaining from using the super ultimate attacks anyway.

Yea, but my point is that those games still ALLOW you to take a quick way around if you give up...where is the challenge in that? :S. Sure i might be complaining, but i hear ALOT of people say "Oh, FF"" Was sooo easy" because of those reasons.... cmon D:...

[kittynboi]

If people cna't resist using those attacks, then thats just their problem.

[Yukito Kunisaki]

If people cna't resist using those attacks, then thats just their problem.

I suppose so, but eh... I still think its better to have summons, but not ones that can obliterate bosses like nothing, you know? Oh well, Completely off topic now.

That Kefka guy was funny :D.

[SuperHiko]

nice video~

Kefka > any other FF villian

[kittynboi]

Kefka was amusing, but I didn't really find him that compelling.

[ryushe]

I wonder how many people actually looked at the link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_c6EkWp79co) above...
Actually I did. that's' why I said that.

Props for him being the first FF villain that actually shows up in the beginning of the game, but I honestly don't remember anything notable that he did other than his laugh.

Yay for Ultimecia, for whom you really hear nothing about until the last corner of the game...
Thank you



--In all actuality, mostly all the FF villains sucked. Sorry but it's true.

I miss Lavos. Now that was a final boss...

[SuperHiko]

Kefka was more fleshed out then most villians.

he even had a reason why he went so zany.

He also destroyed the world, and became the angel of death.

The world lived in terror for (i forget the actual amount) of said years, until little miss suicide decided to find everyone. (who by the way, they had all given up hope)

Now, imagine is Celes was successful in actually trying to kill herself. Kefka would have really won.

~Sabin would still be helping people, but not in a grand scale type of way.
~Locke, after getting the Phoenix and failing to revive rebecca...well who knows what would have happened to him.
~Edgar would still be under the alias.
~ Terra might have been killed by Phun Babba
~ Setzer would never had regained his courage. The Falcon wouldn't have taken flight.
~ Relm might have been killed by the paintings.
~ Strago would still be a fanatic.
~ Shadow would have died inthat cave.
~ Gau was in the veldt? Honestly I think he enjoyed that as much as anything else he did.
~ Cyan would have kept sending that one girl letters.

...

I dunno. I think Kefka was a great villain. At least he had classic lines, were as a final boss such as Lavos was just 'there'.

[HitokiriShadow]

Kefka may not have had a deep backstory like the later villains, but he didn't really need it (he was an insane clown that destroyed the world and that was plenty) and he was still better developed than all of the previous generic FF villains.

[aoishonen7]

Sweeeeeeet XD!!!

[KingNe!]

Hey, how come Seymour from FFX doesnt get any credit? He was sly and fairly well developed character (at least by the standards of most FF villains). I wouldd go as far to say that he was the only character in FFX that I actually liked. FFX is one of those weird exceptions where the antagonist was better developed than the heros...

[ryushe]

I dunno. I think Kefka was a great villain. At least he had classic lines, were as a final boss such as Lavos was just 'there'.
True Lavos didn't nessecarilly say anything, But I just love having to go to different time periods just to fight him. Not a good boss by storyline means, but when you get to the end you finally feel. "I finally caught up you b!tch".

In fact, Now thinking, I disliked mostly every last boss in a RPG. I think the best that I've played is honestly Sephiroth. He was as main a character than some people on your team. It felt like fighting a group member that's gone bad, or deserted from you. So to those who've said Kefka had as much back story as Sephiroth, Me and you mustn't have been playing the same game.

Edit:Hey, how come Seymour from FFX doesnt get any credit? He was sly and fairly well developed character (at least by the standards of most FF villains). I wouldd go as far to say that he was the only character in FFX that I actually liked. FFX is one of those weird exceptions where the antagonist was better developed than the heros...
True. If he was a final boss, I would have definitely picked him but about at the end point of the game, he just became a second though. I remember the last fight with him I was like "Damn, You still alive? Sh!t".

[Yukito Kunisaki]

Well, Seymour would have made a better Final Boss than Yu Yevon no doubt...his third form was a B!tch. Oh well, off topic again haha.

[SuperHiko]

except you never fight Sephiroth in the game. All nice points, but all untrue.

You fight Jenova, and retard Cloud fights psuedo Seph in his mind at the end.

Sephiroth was burried deep underground, and didn't do jack crap in FF7 as far as making a great appearance.

so, yeah we must have been playing a different game. Sephiroth was just a tool. Kefka laid the smack down to everyone. Grunt to God. Seph gets beat by a reject? Oh yeah, some wonderful story there.

[Joeshie]

except you never fight Sephiroth in the game. All nice points, but all untrue.

You fight Jenova, and retard Cloud fights psuedo Seph in his mind at the end.

Sephiroth was burried deep underground, and didn't do jack crap in FF7 as far as making a great appearance.

so, yeah we must have been playing a different game. Sephiroth was just a tool. Kefka laid the smack down to everyone. Grunt to God. Seph gets beat by a reject? Oh yeah, some wonderful story there.

Kefka is a retarded looking clown. That in itself is utter failure in the highest degree.

[Rahxephon91]

Kefka is a retarded looking clown. That in itself is utter failure in the highest degree.

And Seph is a Yaoi fangirls dream. What is the point?

[ryushe]

except you never fight Sephiroth in the game. All nice points, but all untrue.

You fight Jenova, and retard Cloud fights psuedo Seph in his mind at the end.

Sephiroth was burried deep underground, and didn't do jack crap in FF7 as far as making a great appearance.

so, yeah we must have been playing a different game. Sephiroth was just a tool. Kefka laid the smack down to everyone. Grunt to God. Seph gets beat by a reject? Oh yeah, some wonderful story there.
Was this directed at me?

I'm just pointed out which FF final boss I like more, I would also assume your trying to say Kefka has more back story than Sephiroth. If so, what are you smoking? I'd take a emo bishie over a retared laughing clown any day.

[SuperHiko]

Well that's preference. That doesn't dignify which one was a better villian. And chuck it up all you want, Kekfa was far more then a retard clown with a killer laugh. I guess that's called denial.

Sephiroth, the REAL Sephiroth was a joke. Jenova was the real threat in 7.

[ryushe]

You right, It is preference. There's no way we can sit down and decide from facts who a better villain was. You prefer Kefka, and I Sephiroth (Sephiroth's Clone's if you will or even Jenova). Let's just leave it at that, cause it seems some buttons were pushed.

I do give him props for being the first FF villain to actually have a story.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

Grunt to God. Seph gets beat by a reject? Oh yeah, some wonderful story there.

Well yes as a matter of fact it is. Troubbled protagonist overcomes things (enemies/himeself) wins game. More people identify with a flawed protagonist and so it makes a better story.

Was this directed at me?

I'm just pointed out which FF final boss I like more, I would also assume your trying to say Kefka has more back story than Sephiroth. If so, what are you smoking? I'd take a emo bishie over a retared laughing clown any day.

That's going to end up in someones sig.

You right, It is preference. There's no way we can sit down and decide from facts who a better villain was. You prefer Kefka, and I Sephiroth (Sephiroth's Clone's if you will or even Jenova). Let's just leave it at that, cause it seems some buttons were pushed.

I do give him props for being the first FF villain to actually have a story.

Best fight song too.:naughty:

[SuperHiko]

Actualy, Golbez and Zemus had a story too. ;) (as did most of the FF4 villians)

So Kefka wasn't the first.

All Sephiroth had going for him was looks. And it seemd to win over the masses. Square duped a lot of people, and they made money off of it. Great cash cow scheme they had right thar.

[ryushe]

Actualy, Golbez and Zemus had a story too. ;) (as did most of the FF4 villians)

So Kefka wasn't the first.
Not as in depth as Kefka though. Good try though.

All Sephiroth had going for him was looks. And it seemd to win over the masses. Square duped a lot of people, and they made money off of it. Great cash cow scheme they had right thar.
*sigh* Whatever, I don't really care to go on.

But if Sephiroth was all looks, Kefka was all laughs. :naughty:

[Joeshie]

And Seph is a Yaoi fangirls dream. What is the point?

Wait, so a character that is good looking to the ladies is suddenly auto-fail? I guess you must consider Han Solo to be auto-fail, James Bond to be auto-fail, etc, etc.

And chuck it up all you want, Kekfa was far more then a retard clown with a killer laugh.

No, he really didn't. But I guess it's just too hard to demonstrate that to a Final Fantasy VI fanboy.

I'll say it again so that you understand it. Kefka was a one-dimensional retarded clown. That's ALL he was. He had little to no backstory, nothing that expounded upon his character, nothing else. You can accept that or just continue on with your foolish denial.

[SuperHiko]

...wait! Please do demonstrate!

I am not a FF6 fanboy.

FF4 is my favorite FF of all time, then Tactics (Delita <3).

PLEASE explain to me why you see Kefka as nothing more then a clown? I'd love to prove you wrong and make you look bad. ;)

edit: oh and Ryushe, you said to have a story. NOT who had more of a story. So thanks for trying. lol

[Joeshie]

PLEASE explain to me why you see Kefka as nothing more then a clown? I'd love to prove you wrong and make you look bad. ;)

The burden of proof rests upon you, not me.

[ryushe]

The burden of proof rests upon you, not me.
:lol: QFT

Also I though it was self explanatory that I meant to have more of a "back" story but whatever. Either way, Kefka still wins for having more story and more back story for any FF villain before FFVI.

[Joeshie]

:lol: QFT

Also I though it was self explanatory that I meant to have more of a "back" story but whatever. Either way, Kefka still wins for having more story and more back story for any FF villain before FFVI.

What back story? As last I recall, all his backstory consisted of was "Kefka was driven insane by magical experiments preformed upon him" and that was pretty much it.

[SuperHiko]

fine here we go~

prepare to be amused by yer lack of knowledge.

The history of Kefka, the Angel of Death.

You start playing FF6 and you see this weird looking solider dressed up in what the majority of players say, "as a clown" and look not much farther in.

What they don't realise is that Kefka was once a model solider for the Empire. (proof is in talking to the guy in the bar within the Empire) who tells you this. Kefka was once a great soldier, maybe even on par with General Leo. At this time, before the actual game started, Geshtal had started to capture espers. He had a brilliant scientist by the name of Cid at his side as well. Cid told mighty Geshtal that he could fuse normal soldiers with the magical properties of the espers to produce super soldiers. (Magitek warriors or whatever.)

But to do this of course they needed to test the procedure on someone. A lab rat if you will. Who do you think they asked, (or maybe he volunteered). Yep, dear, sweet, loyal Kefka was the first solider to be infused to magitek properties. And as any wonderfully great first test subject, something wetn horribly wrong. They said something inside of Kefka snapped. They failed on the initial subject and the results were what you see in the game. The crazy phycho clown thing you like to judge with having no real reason to be whacked out. There is the proff that he was/is more then a retard with a laugh.

But, let's not stop there. He has much more information.

As the game progresses. You see how sick he really is. The mass genocide of an enture castle? Yeah, that was his zanny idea. General Leo was powerless to stop him. It's tragic too. Kefka is ultimately Leo's demise.

and we need to stop here so I can explain to you how significant this is. Leo died by Kefka's blade. A downward thrust right into Leo's back. ....wait? Didn't I see that somewhere els.....OH YEAH Sephiroth does the EXACT same thing! Funny, he wasn't even the first person to kill off an important character in a game. Lets not forget that I am guessing Leo was a lot harder to kill then a mere flower girl.

~

Anyways, with the taste of countless Espers at his disposal. You'd have to figure Kefka was looking towards bigger better things. The emporer was just a stepping stone to greatness. Killing him off he now had the powers of that equal to the Gods. He destroyed the world and ruled by an iron fist for (I forget) said years.

I'd like to once again mention if Celes was successful in killing herself, (she does try to commit suicide if Cid dies. That seems that darker storyline, so I usually let that man die. Yes, i am evil.) then Kefka would have completely won.

So, you are right. He has nothing really going for him other then his fit and that laugh.

What a fool I be.

[Rahxephon91]

Wait, so a character that is good looking to the ladies is suddenly auto-fail? I guess you must consider Han Solo to be auto-fail, James Bond to be auto-fail, etc, etc.




No but your *****ing about the way a villain looks like. I could easily ***** about how Seph looks like some frigin girl but that would be stupid.

At least Kefka looks more unique then generic anime look of Seph.

[Animematt55]

At least Kefka looks more unique then generic anime look of Seph.

QFT. I havent seen much of Kekfa at all, but he sounds so much more unique and interesting than the pretty little momma's boy.
The poster was right, the biggest thing Seph had going for him were simply his looks, and his big *** sword.
Also, Kuja is my favorite villian. Sephs bishieness fails in compairison. So does his over all power.

[Joeshie]

fine here we go~

prepare to be amused by yer lack of knowledge.

The history of Kefka, the Angel of Death.

You start playing FF6 and you see this weird looking solider dressed up in what the majority of players say, "as a clown" and look not much farther in.

What they don't realise is that Kefka was once a model solider for the Empire. (proof is in talking to the guy in the bar within the Empire) who tells you this. Kefka was once a great soldier, maybe even on par with General Leo. At this time, before the actual game started, Geshtal had started to capture espers. He had a brilliant scientist by the name of Cid at his side as well. Cid told mighty Geshtal that he could fuse normal soldiers with the magical properties of the espers to produce super soldiers. (Magitek warriors or whatever.)

But to do this of course they needed to test the procedure on someone. A lab rat if you will. Who do you think they asked, (or maybe he volunteered). Yep, dear, sweet, loyal Kefka was the first solider to be infused to magitek properties. And as any wonderfully great first test subject, something wetn horribly wrong. They said something inside of Kefka snapped. They failed on the initial subject and the results were what you see in the game. The crazy phycho clown thing you like to judge with having no real reason to be whacked out. There is the proff that he was/is more then a retard with a laugh.

But, let's not stop there. He has much more information.

As the game progresses. You see how sick he really is. The mass genocide of an enture castle? Yeah, that was his zanny idea. General Leo was powerless to stop him. It's tragic too. Kefka is ultimately Leo's demise.

and we need to stop here so I can explain to you how significant this is. Leo died by Kefka's blade. A downward thrust right into Leo's back. ....wait? Didn't I see that somewhere els.....OH YEAH Sephiroth does the EXACT same thing! Funny, he wasn't even the first person to kill off an important character in a game. Lets not forget that I am guessing Leo was a lot harder to kill then a mere flower girl.

~

Anyways, with the taste of countless Espers at his disposal. You'd have to figure Kefka was looking towards bigger better things. The emporer was just a stepping stone to greatness. Killing him off he now had the powers of that equal to the Gods. He destroyed the world and ruled by an iron fist for (I forget) said years.

I'd like to once again mention if Celes was successful in killing herself, (she does try to commit suicide if Cid dies. That seems that darker storyline, so I usually let that man die. Yes, i am evil.) then Kefka would have completely won.

So, you are right. He has nothing really going for him other then his fit and that laugh.

What a fool I be.

Yeah, because nothing in that whole slur showed that, as a character, Kefka was nothing more than a one-dimensional retarded clown. Good job in proving my point.

At least Kefka looks more unique then generic anime look of Seph.

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7485/uniqueag8.jpg

If I had a toaster as a villain, it would surely make his appearance unique, but not a badass or awesome design. Likewise, we have Kefka, which looks like a clown and Sephiroth, which looks like a badass, albeit he is appealing to the ladies. However, as I had given previous examples, looking appealing to the ladies doesn't make one any less of a badass.

You guys can try to make all the excuses you want, but a badass bishie will always be superior to a retarded clown in character design.

[Rahxephon91]

Whats so deep about Seph?

He was just as insane as the rest of them.

[Joeshie]

Whats so deep about Seph?

He was just as insane as the rest of them.

You actually get to see his struggle. You see him attempting to find out who he is. You get to see what eventually makes his character driven to insanity. You actually see his character prior to being driven insane.

[ryushe]

Hmmmmmmm.....


The history of Kefka, the Angel of Death.
Ok. Shoot.

What they don't realise is that Kefka was once a model solider for the Empire. (proof is in talking to the guy in the bar within the Empire) who tells you this. Kefka was once a great soldier, maybe even on par with General Leo. At this time, before the actual game started, Geshtal had started to capture espers. He had a brilliant scientist by the name of Cid at his side as well. Cid told mighty Geshtal that he could fuse normal soldiers with the magical properties of the espers to produce super soldiers. (Magitek warriors or whatever.)
Uh huh, Ok

But to do this of course they needed to test the procedure on someone. A lab rat if you will. Who do you think they asked, (or maybe he volunteered). Yep, dear, sweet, loyal Kefka was the first solider to be infused to magitek properties. And as any wonderfully great first test subject, something wetn horribly wrong. They said something inside of Kefka snapped. They failed on the initial subject and the results were what you see in the game. The crazy phycho clown thing you like to judge with having no real reason to be whacked out. There is the proff that he was/is more then a retard with a laugh.

Ok Check.

But, let's not stop there. He has much more information.
Please do.

As the game progresses. You see how sick he really is. The mass genocide of an enture castle? Yeah, that was his zanny idea. General Leo was powerless to stop him. It's tragic too. Kefka is ultimately Leo's demise.
Interesting.

and we need to stop here so I can explain to you how significant this is. Leo died by Kefka's blade. A downward thrust right into Leo's back. ....wait? Didn't I see that somewhere els.....OH YEAH Sephiroth does the EXACT same thing! Funny, he wasn't even the first person to kill off an important character in a game. Lets not forget that I am guessing Leo was a lot harder to kill then a mere flower girl.
*gasp* Oh no he didn't.

Friends, lets stop all this endless arguing. Maybe Kefka and Sephiroth are long lost brothers after all. :lol:

[Animematt55]

You actually get to see his struggle. You see him attempting to find out who he is. You get to see what eventually makes his character driven to insanity. You actually see his character prior to being driven insane.

"Oh Who am I? Where is my mommy!?" Cloud had more trauma than that little punk Seph did, and Cloud didn't end up trying to destroy the world. And Seph really isnt that bad *** looking. He just has long hair and a big sword, nothing more going for him.
Kuja didnt even need a weapon, it was all skill, magic, and manipulating people. BRILLiANT!

[ryushe]

Kuja didnt even need a weapon, it was all skill, magic, and manipulating people. BRILLiANT!
You and me are on the same page brother.

[Joeshie]

"Oh Who am I? Where is my mommy!?" Cloud had more trauma than that little punk Seph did, and Cloud didn't end up trying to destroy the world.

ALERT! ALERT! LOGICAL FALLACY DETECTED!

That's a strawman arguement. It has nothing to do with my original argument concerning character depth and is therefore irrelevant.

And Seph really isnt that bad *** looking. He just has long hair and a big sword, nothing more going for him.

Long hair + big sword + awesome wardrobe = badass looking

Kuja didnt even need a weapon, it was all skill, magic, and manipulating people. BRILLiANT!

Yeah, that thong that Kuja wore made him look so badass. Along with the whole homosexual look.

[Animematt55]

Seph? cool wardrobe? i think not....he just has a long coat, with a big metal shoulder pad...how...original.
And Kuja wasn't only bad ***...with that thong you could see his ***, lol.
And why do people always bring up the gay thing with Kuja? Seph is more homoerotic than Kuja by far.

[Joeshie]

Seph is more homoerotic than Kuja by far.

:lol: :lol:

Right buddy. There is nothing homoerotic about Sephiroth's wardrobe while Kuja's just screams homoerotic.

[Animematt55]

Yeah, lets all make fun of Kuja just cause we think he is gay...and forget that he was an awesome villian....
Oh, and Seph MUST be a great villian cause he is so bishie looking with a big sword.

[RPGQueen]

well all I can say is that Kefka may not the greatest villain, but he is certainly the craziest villain. that was great!

[seba_boi]

Kefka, Kuja, and Sephiroth all looked gay... Goes to show that homosexuality is the source of all evils!.... :p


I kid, I kid!....

[KatayokuのTenshi]

The burden of proof rests upon you, not me.

Oooh owned :lol:

You actually get to see his struggle. You see him attempting to find out who he is. You get to see what eventually makes his character driven to insanity. You actually see his character prior to being driven insane.

Not just told how great and popular he used to be.

Cloud had more trauma than that little punk Seph did, and Cloud didn't end up trying to destroy the world.

Which is why Cloud is the hero, he goes through the same/worse and is still good.

manipulating people. BRILLiANT!

You can manipulate anyone if the guy who wrote your plan writes the other guys response.:naughty:

with that thong you could see his ***, lol.
And why do people always bring up the gay thing with Kuja? Seph is more homoerotic than Kuja by far.

That might be part of the problem. Your argument and you're conclusion don't match.

[Animematt55]

LoL, the thong thing was a joke...
A real man has the balls to show off his ***, and wear makeup!

[Joeshie]

LoL, the thong thing was a joke...
A real man has the balls to show off his ***, and wear makeup!

So all real men are emo or homosexual?

[KatayokuのTenshi]

So all real men are emo or homosexual?

Looks that way:naughty:

[sfried]

Looks that way:naughty:

Then what does that make Kefka?

He definately did a whole lot of manipulating (like Seph). But backstabbing was his greatest trait...

You actually get to see his struggle. You see him attempting to find out who he is. You get to see what eventually makes his character driven to insanity. You actually see his character prior to being driven insane.

Don't we see that too with Kefka? He directly disobeys orders. He already knows who he is and executes his plan perfectly, unlike that emo Sephiroth. And third, you get to really see how insane Kefka really is. Did we really need to see his self prior to becoming insane to have character established? Hell no... We already know he was just like General Leo prior to becoming the Kefka we all know and love (or hate! Hate! HATE!).

Plus Dancing Mad = Awsome.

[Joeshie]

Don't we see that too with Kefka? He directly disobeys orders. He already knows who he is and executes his plan perfectly, unlike that emo Sephiroth. And third, you get to really see how insane Kefka really is. Did we really need to see his self prior to becoming insane to have character established? Hell no... We already know he was just like General Leo prior to becoming the Kefka we all know and love (or hate! Hate! HATE!).

Plus Dancing Mad = Awsome.

That hardely provides any depth to his character. He essentially demonstrates the exact same characterization (insantity) throughout the story. No depth.

[Danju]

That hardely provides any depth to his character. He essentially demonstrates the exact same characterization (insantity) throughout the story. No depth.
Yes, he's insane. What is it about Kefka that you were expecting to have change or develop? Kefka is Kefka. He's an insane laughing clown-dude and we love him for it.

[sfried]

That hardely provides any depth to his character. He essentially demonstrates the exact same characterization (insantity) throughout the story. No depth.

He is no more deep that Sephiroth. Sephiroth = just another dude out for revenge.

[ryushe]

Plus Dancing Mad = Awsome.
One winged Angel = Even MORE Awesome

[Animematt55]

One winged Angel = Even MORE Awesome

not really....actually not at all.
Seph is just some guy, with a bunch of clones if i am not mistaken, out for revenge.

[ryushe]

What are you talking about? I meant the final song played while fighting them both.

I've long left this discussion, I found out it's like arguing over apples and oranges. Both did mostly the exact same thing and it's foolish to argue over who's better. In the end though, I prefer Sephiroth, he just rubbed off on me in a better ways, Other's will prefer Kefka, No problem in that.

All in all...
Kefka = Sephiroth

But...
One Winged Angel > Dancing Mad

[Animematt55]

i have never even heard much of Kefka, it is just that people think Seph is the best villian ever, but he really wasn't and was pretty one dimensional too. He is the stereotypical angsty bishonen guy out to kill everyone. It is boring. "i got a big sword, and cast a spell that will make a meteor take forever to hit the earth!"

[ryushe]

*Sigh* Another case of something being overrated and people fell the need to hate.

Sure, by today's standards, an "angsty bishonen swordsman out for revenge" is a common thing, but I didn't play to much of that in 1997. I'm just saying, if a lot of people like Sephy, Whats wrong with that? What? should I pick Ultimicia? Necron? Yu Vevon? Villain's prior FF VI? None hold a candle to Sephiroth IMO.

The only one who has any equal standing with him is Kefka, and that's not saying to much.

[Joeshie]

*Sigh* Another case of something being overrated and people fell the need to hate.

Animematt in particular seems to be going out of his way to make it abundantly clear that the only reason he really seems to hate Sephiroth is due to his popularity, which really is somewhat pathetic.

[Animematt55]

Kuja could take Seph out pretty easily. He manipulated a whole army to work for him, and if i remember correctly, he made some kinda mist that let him control powerful monsters.... Its been a while since i played FF9 though. Plus he rode a dragon, which also would give him an advantage.

[ryushe]

i have never even heard much of Kefka, it is just that people think Seph is the best villian ever, but he really wasn't and was pretty one dimensional too. He is the stereotypical angsty bishonen guy out to kill everyone. It is boring. "i got a big sword, and cast a spell that will make a meteor take forever to hit the earth!"
OK, Let's looks at this...

Kuja could take Seph out pretty easily. He manipulated a whole army to work for him, and if i remember correctly, he made some kinda mist that let him control powerful monsters.... Its been a while since i played FF9 though. Plus he rode a dragon, which also would give him an advantage.

Angst? Bishonen? A Guy? Out to kill everyone? You my friend have just described Kuja :naughty:

[Animematt55]

i dont remember Kuja being that angsty. He was also very good with magic.
The only reason i ever hear of people haitng Kuja was his outfit

[ryushe]

Not being angsty?...He was pissed cuz his bother (In a sense) was made to be stronger than him and that caused him to manipulate countless people in order to either rule over Gaia and Terra just to show his worth. (It's been a long time, I don't remember if he wanted to destroy them or rule them)

And the only reason people hate on Sephiroth is his popularity. Deal with it.

[Animematt55]

the only reason peopel like Seph is cause he is a pretty boy. Deal with it.

[KingNe!]

And the only reason people like or dislike a character is because they are either attracted or repulsed by the qualities of the character in question. Deal with it, you two.

Kefka and Sephiroth are different characters. And as such, they have different traits which make them distinctive. Each will have fans and haters because of this. Deal with that, and stop being so childish.
If you want my honest opinions on these characters, I personally like Kefka. But I don't love him. Hes insane, and hes funny but thats it. Theres nothing much beneath. Sephiroth, on the other hand, is much more intriguing. I'm on the 3rd disc of FFVII on the moment, so maybe I shouldnt judge. But ti seems to me, even if its not really him, his character is expressed somewhat through the clones. So dont go saying 'ZOMGZ hHESN NOT EVEN REAL< LAME BISHOUWENEN! KEFKA DA MAN'

the only reason peopel like Seph is cause he is a pretty boy. Deal with it.
Animematt55, I have no doubt that your hatred of Sephiroth is not well founded. Hush.
He is the stereotypical angsty bishonen guy out to kill everyone.
*Sighs*. Whether he is good looking or not has little to do with it. Characters like Kefka and Sephiroth were relatively new at the time of their introduction. If people have exploited that character now, that just proves how infleuntial he was. Granted, I could be wrong on this. I havent played many old RPGs.

He is no more deep that Sephiroth. Sephiroth = just another dude out for revenge
People seek revenge for different reasons. Hush.

And the only reason people hate on Sephiroth is his popularity. Deal with it.
Of course not. I'm sure people dislike him for his character itself. Although people like Animematt would lead you to believe otherwise.

[Animematt55]

i dont hate Sephiroth at all. He just isnt very original. Even when ff7 was released, the angsty bishonen type was common.
and when i said people only like him cause he was a pretty boy, it was a joke.

[ryushe]

i dont hate Sephiroth at all. He just isnt very original. Even when ff7 was released, the angsty bishonen type was common.

In RPG's? I beg to differ. After Sephy, That's when you see the wave of angsty bishonen in RPG's.

Of course not. I'm sure people dislike him for his character itself. Although people like Animematt would lead you to believe otherwise.
That may be true, But I know a whole lot more people that dislike Sephiroth for that exact reason (Not only Sephiroth, but Final Fantasy VII as a whole. But that's another discussion). Just becasue he's popular, people automatically seem to want to hate him and other "newbie" RPG players that like Sephiroth don't wanna admit it cause there's gonna be countless other branding them as "n00bs". It's a vicious cycle, I know.

[seba_boi]

Kuja's cool 'cuz he actually had wits to outwit everybody...

[Animematt55]

Kuja's cool 'cuz he actually had wits to outwit everybody...

exactly. He was such a great villian, but he is totally over shadowed by Seph and cause of his clothes.

[seba_boi]

exactly. He was such a great villian, but he is totally over shadowed by Seph and cause of his clothes.Kuja might fail design-wise but he's one of the more polished characters (not just villains) in terms of personality... To me, that goes a long way... In fact, I think everybody in FFIX has got more personality than anybody in FFVII or FFVIII combined...

[Rahxephon91]

People like Seph because of his impact on the party. So stop with that people like him because of the way he looks crap.

[sfried]

Besides, I made the original comment based on how well the cosplayer did his roleplay. I have yet to see a convincing Sephiroth cosplayer (who sounds and acts like like he is the character). And even then, Kefka is definately alot harder to portray. But untill I find a very convincing Seph...

[Gannon]

I thought I already explained this: Cloud didn't imagine he fought Sephiroth. I don't see what people don't get about this. Just because you didn't understand that part of the story doesn't mean you should make stuff up.

Sephiroth was simply a more well-rounded character than Kefka.

[Animematt55]

Besides, I made the original comment based on how well the cosplayer did his roleplay. I have yet to see a convincing Sephiroth cosplayer (who sounds and acts like like he is the character). And even then, Kefka is definately alot harder to portray. But untill I find a very convincing Seph...

i remember seeing a very good Kuja cosplay. I did a drawing of her for art class in HS. yeah, it was a her, only a female could full THAT off. I dont really remember Kuja's personality that well. I remember it being kinda calm, cool, and a bit uncaring.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

I don't wanna start a "Who's a better FF villain", But I gotta say Sephiroth was a better villain by far.

Yet that is what It has become. J'accusez. :naughty:

Besides, I made the original comment based on how well the cosplayer did his roleplay. I have yet to see a convincing Sephiroth cosplayer (who sounds and acts like like he is the character). And even then, Kefka is definately alot harder to portray. But untill I find a very convincing Seph...

You share equaly the blame :naughty: How is that relevent to the original point 'who is better Kefka or Sephiroth .... .... :huh: Oh wait.

[kittynboi]

...wait! Please do demonstrate!

I am not a FF6 fanboy.

FF4 is my favorite FF of all time, then Tactics (Delita <3).

PLEASE explain to me why you see Kefka as nothing more then a clown? I'd love to prove you wrong and make you look bad. ;)

edit: oh and Ryushe, you said to have a story. NOT who had more of a story. So thanks for trying. lol

Does Kefka ever demonstrate ANY real moivation for his actions? He seems to enjoy doing bad things, but it never goes beyond that. Its as he's just acting on impulse through the entire game and never putting any real thought in to anything.

[kittynboi]

So all real men are emo or homosexual?

Sounds about right to me.

[Animematt55]

So all real men are emo or homosexual?

Men know how men like it......:P

[sfried]

Does Kefka ever demonstrate ANY real moivation for his actions?
Yes. He's in it for himself.
He seems to enjoy doing bad things, but it never goes beyond that. Its as he's just acting on impulse through the entire game and never putting any real thought in to anything.
Actually, he does. All of his scheming does serve a purpose. He doesn't just want to do bad things for the sake of it. He takes pleasure in the destruction of things. And the more people involved, the better.

[Ikari Warrior]

People like Seph because of his impact on the party. So stop with that people like him because of the way he looks crap.

Actually, I've always appreciated Sephiroth's aesthetic. He needs a shirt, just like Kuja needs pants, but really, I always thought sephiroth looked cool. I like his victory animation and battle stance, too.

[Chidori Raikiri]

Nope, Sephiroth wins.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

>_< Shouldn't have linked to this topic it seems.

...well I'm an idiot.

[HitokiriShadow]

Nope, Sephiroth wins.

That's nice. Perhaps you'd like to give a reason?

[KatayokuのTenshi]

I have come to the conclusion that, while Sephiroth has the best music, Kefka leads the better dance.

There's something about a villain who can have you fearing for the state of the world every time he appears... and that laugh. *shudder*

For example when a certain plot twist is about to occur (involving Espers and General Leo) I heard his laugh and I growled “Kefka!” ...actualy it was Kefka you ****er... -_-;

He also exhibits a certain strange childishness, he’s like a kid pulling the legs off an insect. Except instead of an insect it’s the whole world.

Would you say that Kefka is a sociopath or psychopath?

[Ikari Warrior]

Would you say that Kefka is a sociopath or psychopath?

Yes.

filler

[Holy Knight]

For example when a certain plot twist is about to occur (involving Espers and General Leo) I heard his laugh and I growled “Kefka!” ...actualy it was Kefka you ****er... -_-;

Me and my brother thought along the same lines once we got to that part. Sephiroth may have the better character development, but Kefka is the one you want to badly maim, tear and torture with glee. for that alone, Kefka > Sephiroth in my book.

Would you say that Kefka is a sociopath or psychopath?

According to the DSM-IV, psychopath.

[Animematt55]

Kuja gets no love... He was pretty bad ***, and he was a genius to boot! Great at manipulating people and all that.
didnt he also have some type of blackmarket workings too?

[germanturkey]

kuja is a hot girl from behind. it taints my image of him

[sfried]

Dammit, watching this video again... makes me wish FFVI DS's Kefka VA would be based off this guy's performance. It's just sooo...spot on with what I've had in mind.

[KatayokuのTenshi]

Great at manipulating people and all that.

IIRC So was Garland, plus

No one touches my princess!! LIGHT WARRIORS?? You impertinent fools. I, Garland, will knock you all down!!

I say Garland is underappreciated. :lol:

I should really say Garland/Chaos ... but that's spoiler.

Dammit, watching this video again... makes me wish FFVI DS's Kefka VA would be based off this guys performance. It's just sooo...spot on with what I've had in mind.

There's a FFVI DS now? ...I just bought the GBA one! -_-;

[sfried]

There's a FFVI DS now? ...I just bought the GBA one! -_-;
Well, they're remaking IV (again), so I don't see why not VI (eventually).

[KatayokuのTenshi]

Well, they're remaking IV (again), so I don't see why not VI (eventually).

If they did, and if it has any voice acting, then they should just hire this guy as the English VA. Seriously. I watched it last year and found it amusing. Now I watch it having played the game and I know This is Kefka.

Maybe I'm exaggerating ... but not by much.

...they'd probabl do a FFVII remake first though. >_<