Windows Vista is Finished!

[Hara!]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Development_of_Windows_Vista#RTM

I'm downloading it right now. I'll check back on you all soon.

[Sendo Takeshi]

Wait....what? Isn't it supposed to be out in January? Unless it's a beta version.

[Hara!]

The RTM was leaked.

[Soluzar]

I'm downloading it right now. I'll check back on you all soon.

When you do, please post your specs and describe the performance you get. I probably won't be upgrading anyway, but I'm curious.

[Tiran]

My uni should be giving me it for free in the next week or two, so I shall wait till then.

[{NG}Fidel]

The build your getting is far from stable.
Trust me its gone gold but the leak is kinda iffy.
And Soulzar Vista is a fine performer dontworry.

[HSaabedra]

It's not a leak, MSDN released it for one week and it's been cracked already.

[{NG}Fidel]

Ahh thanks Axl I was told it was a leak.
Hrm whats the full build number though.

[Hara!]

Ahh thanks Axl I was told it was a leak.
Hrm whats the full build number though.

IT'S OVER 6,000!!!!!!

had to do it...

6000.16386

[Fobb]

My friend got it on his PSP

[VidelCoolGirl]

Uploading Vista reformats your comp doesn't it? Otherwise, Im gonna go ahead and get it.

[Defiled one]

Windows Vista..

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/7213/vistamd0.jpg


Because evil has a face now:naughty:

[Soluzar]

Because evil has a face now:naughty:
Ahh, you don't really believe that, do you? I have no problem with Windows, myself. I'm using XP at the moment, and although I said I probably won't upgrade, that's not a permanent decision. I probably will upgrade eventually, just not right now.

What I'm waiting for is to get the chance to see it for myself, but not on my own PC. I'd also like to wait until the inevitable Service Pack comes out, so that most of the show-stoppers are gone.

[Snouman88]

I am linux user so this doesn't affect me. :)

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Ahh, you don't really believe that, do you? I have no problem with Windows, myself. I'm using XP at the moment, and although I said I probably won't upgrade, that's not a permanent decision. I probably will upgrade eventually, just not right now.

What I'm waiting for is to get the chance to see it for myself, but not on my own PC. I'd also like to wait until the inevitable Service Pack comes out, so that most of the show-stoppers are gone.


BISCUIT NO YOU TOOK A COMEDIC POST SERIOUSLY~!! Where have I gone wrong?!

[Haro!]

I'd get vista but only my desktop would be able to support it and also I don't like the way it (the windows etc) looks. Though somewhere down the road I will have to get it. Just not any time within the next year.

[Soluzar]

BISCUIT NO YOU TOOK A COMEDIC POST SERIOUSLY~!! Where have I gone wrong?!I was in two minds about it... a lot of users do seem to have that attitude. Personally I regard Microsoft as being ruthless and often annoying in their business practice, but I can't think of them as evil. They just want the most amount of profit they can get.

That said, if the post was meant as a joke... no harm done, right? :)

[tenshi_a]

We've had Vista on a test machine at work for several months now. (I work at a web development company) Just whatever beta, 'cos *someone* in the world is using it, and we're trying to build sites that we won't need to alter in a mad rush... we still often get things that work differently in IE7 on XP and in IE7 on Vista... after all these months of new versions....

As for interest in the OS... with every version of Windows it's kind of been a case of... by the time the new version of Windows comes out, the current Windows is so patched-to-hell that it's just time to jump ship and swim to the next (bigger) ship. But... XP isn't so bad, and I don't see that Vista is any good.

It's got a horrible horrible mac-like interface. I hate macs. I find them unintuitive and consescending (what? you don't know innately how to use me? you weirdo! you moron! you don't think like a human being! a 3 year old can use me! I'm so freaking useable!).

[Heat Guy J]

Finished, short of the thousands of to come patches. :D

[Demon_Eva01]

I hate Windows thats why im getting an iMac :)

[Haro!]

I hate Windows thats why im getting an iMac :)

Be really cool and get a G4 cube instead. It's so pimp they had one on display at MoMA.

[Bernard_Monsha]

History tells us we should wait for the first service pack to come out before installing.

[Demon_Eva01]

History tells us we should wait for the first service pack to come out before installing.

Ahhh the horrible service packs and then theres the installing of the updates....Oh God the updates

[{NG}Fidel]

How the hell are service packs terrible?
Ive installed both no issues.
Just a large patch.
It would be better not to have one thats for sure but with what 95% 97% market share someone is going to find the flaws.

[HSaabedra]

How the hell are service packs terrible?
Ive installed both no issues.
Just a large patch.
It would be better not to have one thats for sure but with what 95% 97% market share someone is going to find the flaws.

As history shows, Service Packs break applications usually regarded as important in enterprises.
the Zune will not be compatible with Vista, interesting.

[Heat Guy J]

Ahhh the horrible service packs and then theres the installing of the updates....Oh God the updates

Broadband ftw!

[VSh]

M$ screws the world again. Honestly, I'd be more excited with new FreeBSD release.

[{NG}Fidel]

M$ screws the world again. Honestly, I'd be more excited with new FreeBSD release.

Cause yeah you know they force you to buy it. These Anti MS Drone Statements Get old fast and the Money symbol is just chilidish.
Axl The Zune is compatible in a patch with the software.
It will be made available when Vista is launched.

[VSh]

Cause yeah you know they force you to buy it. These Anti MS Drone Statements Get old fast and the Money symbol is just chilidish.
I've never bought any M$ product. And never will. Users are the last thing they think about.

[{NG}Fidel]

I was going to try and stop a flame war but whatever.
Listen I am all for you hating MS but dont take it so friggin personaly.
You sound like so many zealots I see on line that call Bill Gates a Greedy Bastard. Fact is (as has been said numerous times) when you have 97% of the market and you are developing for the people that know jack squat about PCs expect issues atop of not having closed hardware boxes and late drivers by pinicky companies expect problems.
I believe MS cares about its customers about as much as most other large companies do.

[VSh]

I was going to try and stop a flame war but whatever.
Listen I am all for you hating MS but dont take it so friggin personaly.
You sound like so many zealots I see on line that call Bill Gates a Greedy Bastard. Fact is (as has been said numerous times) when you have 97% of the market and you are developing for the people that know jack squat about PCs expect issues atop of not having closed hardware boxes and late drivers by pinicky companies expect problems.
I believe MS cares about its customers about as much as most other large companies do.
Were you going to stop? Looks strange try to me.

I don't have anything against Bill Gates. He has his talent in making money, and only this.

Now about M$. Yes, with dollar sign, it's a huge machine for money. I hate M$ because they with their money and resources could do much better work. Think, it took 5 years to produce Vista - unstable, ugly and heavy version. All my friends, who played with it, removed this monster very soon. I played with it too - the same sh**, but a few hundred megabytes more.

[{NG}Fidel]

Once you said Vista was the same I ignored the rest.
Lets forget this I guess I did say I would stop but kept going last time.
Early mornings after concerts suck yah know.

[HSaabedra]

I was going to try and stop a flame war but whatever.
Listen I am all for you hating MS but dont take it so friggin personaly.
You sound like so many zealots I see on line that call Bill Gates a Greedy Bastard. Fact is (as has been said numerous times) when you have 97% of the market and you are developing for the people that know jack squat about PCs expect issues atop of not having closed hardware boxes and late drivers by pinicky companies expect problems.
I believe MS cares about its customers about as much as most other large companies do.
If they cared so much about their customer base, they wouldnt force the Trusted Computing initiative and get involved with Novell to exterminate Linux. Please show me how MS puts forth any effort to allow competition without resorting to buyouts or OEM agreements that force customers to overpay for computers, support outdated hardware protocols, and generally put average computer users through so much grief just to get things done. I use Windows XP.

[{NG}Fidel]

And if Linux supported their customers so much how come they didnt try jack squat to get ATi to support my graphcis card. If Apple cared so much then how come I have to by a closed system that can hardly be messed with in order to get the OS. I think the complaints about "Oh Ms hates Linux (their friggin competitor), means they hate me!" You think the Other OS's wouldnt use their muscle if they could. You think for one minutes that the makers of Linux really give a rats *** about your computing experience. Your all picking sides to fight for when neither side really loses sleep over your thoughts. Linux touches caring only because its open Source but even their it depends on the people you talk to(Devs). And if Linux could get an OEM deal they would as well. Atop of that Ms supports Out Dated Hardware but its the ability to support the newest hardware that keeps me here. I like being able to use the latest and greatest without waiting friggin months from launch for a buggy driver.

[Hara!]

Crap. another OS war.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/malomeat/1153680526510.jpg

[Bernard_Monsha]

Crap. another OS war.

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f55/malomeat/1153680526510.jpg



This picture is pure win.

[HSaabedra]

And if Linux supported their customers so much how come they didnt try jack squat to get ATi to support my graphcis card. If Apple cared so much then how come I have to by a closed system that can hardly be messed with in order to get the OS. I think the complaints about "Oh Ms hates Linux (their friggin competitor), means they hate me!" You think the Other OS's wouldnt use their muscle if they could. You think for one minutes that the makers of Linux really give a rats *** about your computing experience. Your all picking sides to fight for when neither side really loses sleep over your thoughts. Linux touches caring only because its open Source but even their it depends on the people you talk to(Devs). And if Linux could get an OEM deal they would as well. Atop of that Ms supports Out Dated Hardware but its the ability to support the newest hardware that keeps me here. I like being able to use the latest and greatest without waiting friggin months from launch for a buggy driver.

1. Xandros, Linspire, and Red Hat (commercial Linux distros) all have OEM support from IBM, Dell, and HP. Unlike Microsoft, Linux is not an OS in the conventional sense, it is a codebase from which one can build a variant OS.
2. MacOS is actually more open than you think, Maybe if you actually sat down and learned how to use it instead of continually bashing it in every OS thread that pops up, you might have credibility. Having a Unix codebase tends to work wonders for a so called "closed" system.
3. If you want to drop $700+ for a graphics card, that's your perogative, but do not count yourself as the average consumer, since 95% only buy machines for internet access and multimedia functions.
4. Does anyone here need support for Serial or Gameport devices?
5. ATI flat out refuses to build drivers for Linux, that's their problem, not the developers..
6. Microsoft subsidizes millions of dollars in software for students without regard for piracy issues, but one cracked retail copy makes them scream piracy.

[Bernard_Monsha]

1. Xandros, Linspire, and Red Hat (commercial Linux distros) all have OEM support from IBM, Dell, and HP. Unlike Microsoft, Linux is not an OS in the conventional sense, it is a codebase from which one can build a variant OS.
2. MacOS is actually more open than you think, Maybe if you actually sat down and learned how to use it instead of continually bashing it in every OS thread that pops up, you might have credibility. Having a Unix codebase tends to work wonders for a so called "closed" system.
3. If you want to drop $700+ for a graphics card, that's your perogative, but do not count yourself as the average consumer, since 95% only buy machines for internet access and multimedia functions.
4. Does anyone here need support for Serial or Gameport devices?
5. ATI flat out refuses to build drivers for Linux, that's their problem, not the developers..
6. Microsoft subsidizes millions of dollars in software for students without regard for piracy issues, but one cracked retail copy makes them scream piracy.


1. None of them are very user freindly, thusly people will be screaming open source is the future for the

2. Which one there are 4+ variations of OSx none of them are alike

3. Yes but theywant something compatable with 99.99999% of the games and programs avaialble. Wether it be Halo or WOW or Reader Rabbit for the grand kids.

4. I have a 3000 dollar 11 x 17 color laser printer I have hooked up via serial so hell yes.

5. Why would they spend thousands of dollars developing a driver for .0005% of 20% of the population. I certainly would not either.

6. So freely donateing something to a school vs someone stealign a copy is the same?

[HSaabedra]

1. None of them are very user freindly, thusly people will be screaming open source is the future for the

Xandros and Linspire emulate windows, right down to support for apps in WINE

2. Which one there are 4+ variations of OSx none of them are alike

I was referring to OSX being built on the Mach/BSD codebase facilitating development of open source apps and programs

3. Yes but theywant something compatable with 99.99999% of the games and programs avaialble. Wether it be Halo or WOW or Reader Rabbit for the grand kids.

Hence the use of the word "multimedia."

4. I have a 3000 dollar 11 x 17 color laser printer I have hooked up via serial so hell yes.

Hmm. Are there not alternatives available with USB/Firewire connections?

5. Why would they spend thousands of dollars developing a driver for .0005% of 20% of the population. I certainly would not either.

My point exactly.

6. So freely donateing something to a school vs someone stealign a copy is the same?

No. I'm saying that Microsoft needs to reevaluate their policy on student software since most cracked copies that show up online are student copies badged as retail.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Xandros and Linspire emulate windows, right down to support for apps in WINE

But people do not grab it because it has no support for the end user, nor are there any guarantees that the programs or hardware you want to run will. I know if some jerk calls me up with an issue and he is running one of those flavours i will laugh at them and tell them install a supported OS.

I was referring to OSX being built on the Mach/BSD codebase facilitating development of open source apps and programs

All builds are completely diffrent and are nothing like each other. Remember i have to deal with all Mac OS from 8 up so I know them. They have gotten better but the learning curve for the average mac user is way to much.


Hence the use of the word "multimedia."

So the .009 percent of the population that buys a computer to play DVD's or run photoshop will be happy.

Hmm. Are there not alternatives available with USB/Firewire connections?

Bwahahahahahahahaha! That is the funniest thing i have read all week. Why would I want a flakey software based port vs an tough as nails works unles the board or cable is out hardware based one?

My point exactly.

I thought your point was whineing about how they a prejudiced against Linux users and they should lose money by developing a driver for those 3 people who would use them.

[HSaabedra]

But people do not grab it because it has no support for the end user, nor are there any guarantees that the programs or hardware you want to run will. I know if some jerk calls me up with an issue and he is running one of those flavours i will laugh at them and tell them install a supported OS.

Most people that run commercial flavors of Linux wouldn't need to talk to you.


All builds are completely diffrent and are nothing like each other. Remember i have to deal with all Mac OS from 8 up so I know them. They have gotten better but the learning curve for the average mac user is way to much.

I was able to learn Tiger in a month coming from Windows and Linux.
It's so much fun and shiny. Best thing is the stability for music production apps. You're saying the codebase and kernel change every release?


So the .009 percent of the population that buys a computer to play DVD's or run photoshop will be happy.

I guess, but remember that I used multimedia as a catchall.

Bwahahahahahahahaha! That is the funniest thing i have read all week. Why would I want a flakey software based port vs an tough as nails works unles the board or cable is out hardware based one?

I honestly did not know USB was a hybrid port. I thought the controllers were hardware based?


I thought your point was whineing about how they a prejudiced against Linux users and they should lose money by developing a driver for those 3 people who would use them.

That was Fidel's point. My point was not to blame the Linux community for driver development that rested squarely with the manufacturer/developer of the affected hardware.

[{NG}Fidel]

Just got off work.
And yes Axl I have used Panther and Tiger and many Liux Distros but none of the which are too my liking. It seems to me that any fault of hard ware for windows is Microsofts fault but on the other side its the manufacurers fault. In both cases its the manuf and not the OS company. Atop of that the same thingcan be said with software.

[Bernard_Monsha]

I honestly did not know USB was a hybrid port. I thought the controllers were hardware based?

No USb is SW based hence the Virtual ports you see it create.


Go and load up OS 10.1 or jagwire on your mac and see how diffrent they are from your current system. They function nothing like each other. Even 10.3 to 10.4 the OS behaves completely diffrently. That is not a big selling point for an End User who wants something that is relatively familiar and consistant.

[VSh]

Once you said Vista was the same I ignored the rest.
That meant that M$s opinion about their users didn't change: sheep flock.
And if Linux supported their customers so much how come they didnt try jack squat to get ATi to support my graphcis card.
Do you seriously blame Linux for this?
3. If you want to drop $700+ for a graphics card, that's your perogative, but do not count yourself as the average consumer, since 95% only buy machines for internet access and multimedia functions.
I pretty sure those expensive cards will work under X, at least without HW acceleration.
4. Does anyone here need support for Serial or Gameport devices?
Serial and MIDI interfaces are very old and supported by any UNIX-like system very well, much better that Windows, in my opinion. I programmed it in both systems, Linux was much nicer here (POSIX, you know).
4. I have a 3000 dollar 11 x 17 color laser printer I have hooked up via serial so hell yes.
Unless it's some antique dinosaur, you don't need serial. I think that for your $3000 it has Parallel and Ethernet and PostScript support. And in addition you don't need any crappy driver for this.

[HSaabedra]

VSh, are you familiar with either ITRON or TRON?

[VSh]

VSh, are you familiar with either ITRON or TRON?
Do you mean this: TRON Project (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TRON_Project)?

Then I know about this, but didn't work with any implementation.

[VSh]

So, it's here finally.

Yawn... (http://software.silicon.com/os/0,39024885,39164453,00.htm)

[{NG}Fidel]

Your current hardware won't fully run Vista - Get ready for the media blitz. Get ready for the frustration. Although many computers in use today will be able to update and run the new operating system, they'll only be able to run it in what Microsoft slyly calls 'Windows Vista Basic'. In this mode, you'll have the ability to search files but you won't have 3D Aero graphics, live animation along the Taskbar or smooth streaming graphics on your desktop. Unless you buy a new PC sometime in 2007, or add a high-end video card and some extra memory to your current PC, you probably won't get the full visual Vista experience.

Aero Glass does not need DX10 high end hardware to run... Most computers today with anything DX9.0 and above 9600XT levels should run Vista with aero glass with ease.

Missing drivers and incompatible applications - Not having all the necessary drivers or not having software compliant with a new operating system is to be expected in the beta of a new OS but even after several months of developer testing, I was surprised to see a number of common drivers still missing from the public beta for Windows Vista. For example, I had to manually import several Acer TravelMate 8200 drivers from a Windows XP partition on the same drive.

As a reviewer he makes a valid point but I dont foresee that lasting more than a couple months at max. Most companies dont want to miss out on compatibility.

[HSaabedra]

Aero Glass does not need DX10 high end hardware to run... Most computers today with anything DX9.0 and above 9600XT levels should run Vista with aero glass with ease.

Along with adding another layer of poorly integrated bloat since DX9 is emulated and not native.

As a reviewer he makes a valid point but I dont foresee that lasting more than a couple months at max. Most companies dont want to miss out on compatibility.

Which will render most enterprise apps broken in the initial upgrade process, oh joy. Here come the daily phone calls for the mail servers.... :(