Offical Phantasy Star Universe thread!

[Reidar.]

The Japanese version is scheduled for February 2006. It was originally supposed to be December, and the US version was for February, but oh well. It'll be worth the wait. This is probably my most anticipated game, ever. I logged well over 1000 hours with Phantasy Star Online on Dreamcast and Gamecube (and yes, I had a life...I've been playing since 2000). Any fellow warriors on here that I can look forward to fighting with online once the game is out?

[Reidar.]

Ah you pansies =P One last bump before I let this thread go. I figured this game would be more popular here.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Is it coming for the 360?

[Reidar.]

According to rumor, but for now it's only confirmed for PC and PS2. That'd be pretty sweet if they could all play with each other.

[Takuto]

Iam getting it cant wait. The game is so simple but so much fun and i also use to play the dreamcast version for so so long.

[Siendra]

I'll be getting it. Though I'm still pissed about the lack of a GC version. Sure Sega, lets abandon the platform with 14,000 of your 17,000 subscribers. Idiots.

[iluvanime]

lookin forward to this game

[ToxicToast]

Yeah, I hope the single player part of the game ends up being decent... I'm sure the online part will still be grand.

[Nigel]

arr, can't wait for this game. hope sega has some major security in the works for it though.

[Mercenary]

I've been wanting a good online rpg game, I got interested in PSO kind of too late to be able to really try it out (at least the online part).

Although I am not sure I like the idea of them saving characters server side since if you dont have a subscription for X days your char is deleted, the same B.S. you face in mmos. But still something I might get.

[Nigel]

Although I am not sure I like the idea of them saving characters server side since if you dont have a subscription for X days your char is deleted, the same B.S. you face in mmos. But still something I might get.

most mmos keep you character for about six months after you have cancelled your subscribtion. and the only character sega will be saving is the online character. unlike the other versions, psu will have an entirly seperate offline mode. so the character will be saved on your memory card/hard drive.

[Jon]

I'm assuming there will be an online fee like the last one?

[Siendra]

Well, yeah. Only it will make sense this time, as they will be running multiple 150+ player games and 1000+ player events.

[Mercenary]

most mmos keep you character for about six months after you have cancelled your subscribtion. and the only character sega will be saving is the online character. unlike the other versions, psu will have an entirly seperate offline mode. so the character will be saved on your memory card/hard drive.

I know, but thats not what I meant.
It has a full offline standalone RPG where you play a pre-existing char.
Then it has an online mode where you make your own custom character. Things I've looked up say things like no subscription for 80 days or so and that char is gone. I would prefer it be kept client side is all, where even if I dont play for a year I would still have my character. But I can see why they don't do that, but I think they should keep characters alive for 1 year before deletion, I know an mmo that basically never deletes the chars, they should all do that, I seriously doubt it costs them anything to keep those characters on.

[Siendra]

Please, go play PSO online right now. See all the hacking? That's why you don't store characters client side.

Seriously, if I see one more person with an unsealed J-sword, I will kill something.

[Lord Dagoth]

I'll probably get this for the offline part.

[Reidar.]

I admit that my character was far from legit-at least, later on. It's boring when everyone is completely destroying the monsters and you're the weakest one on the whole ship. I would FAR prefer it if everyone was legit, though, which is why I'm looking forward to Phantasy Star Universe. But back on the Dreamcast, where players were killing others in the lobbies, erasing others' characters, and stealing weapons, you pretty much HAD to use Gameshark to enjoy yourself (since it had anti player-kill codes and the like).

[Mercenary]

Please, go play PSO online right now. See all the hacking? That's why you don't store characters client side.

Seriously, if I see one more person with an unsealed J-sword, I will kill something.

Yeah I know that, it sucks that all the asshat little hackers ruin it for everyone else. Anyone cought hacking needs to have their IP banned without warning or something.

[Sakrafyce]

I'm looking foward to it myself.

[Reidar.]

Aw, delayed again.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6142040.html

[Nigel]

yeah, that sucks. hopefully they found some major glitch that is being fixed. we'll prolly see this game in june at the earliest by the looks of it.

[Reidar.]

The Japanese version is scheduled for February 2006.

Heh, how wrong I was.

Are you going to get it for PC, PS2, or 360 now?

[Siendra]

Depends. My PC does stand a chance of being more capable then a 360 due to user created quests and what not. However, the control advantage goes to the 360 (Unless the 360 controler will work without any of the usual hiccups, in which case my PC wins regardless.).

[Shanks]

PSO was on the first XBOX so its not surprising if this one's gonna be on the 360, cant say I care much for that system though. I had it for gamecube and I've never played online lol. I might do PSU online if i get around to it, but PSO just playing/competing with friends (getting levels and rare items) was really fun and we are all looking forward to this one (PS2 version).

[Reidar.]

You do know that PSU has no offline-multiplayer, however, right?

[Shanks]

Ummm, heheh no I didnt. But we didnt play it that way much anyway , I will still probably get it, but now I dunno how they expect us to easily trade items from one file to another.

[Reidar]

It's out here in less than a month.

Did anyone import it already? I'm just waiting for the release stateside.

[Warabit]

I wonder if there will be a PS3 version... since there are DC,GC,Xbox, and PC versions of PSO

[Warabit]

Its Out, got my copy after work today(PC) and played for like 5 hours straight! Anyone else have theirs?

[Reidar]

I checked Game Crazy today, and they're not getting it until the 27th. I'm just going to purchase it on the weekend. They had Phantasy Star Online right on its release date six years ago. Those pansies have gotten soft.

Have you played online yet? How is the single-player, in comparison? Is Ethan a wuss?

[Warabit]

all I played was online, havent even tried offline yet. Its missing some things which im sure they will add within the month(rares,expert classes, and some other things) the lobys are more like towns now. And there arent rooms, just missions you go on. And there are 3 planets and the spaceship, each with different missions.

[Fukki]

Still waiting for my copy to ship ;_;

[Reidar]

I got it today.

I tried to play story mode. I really did. Ethan is one of the worst characters I've ever had the mispleasure of playing as. He's whiny and annoying enough to melt IQ levels, yet competent enough in hand to hand combat so that you can't get the satisfaction of outright despising him. Bah.

Online is awesome, but I'm still green. I'm level 4.

[Jae Hoon]

How much does the online cost?

[Warabit]

$10 a month with $15 days free, $40 for 6 months with a month free.
Just got to level 13 last night, been trying to up my job level which is almost lvl 2 hunter. Not sure what expert class I want to get though...

[demon_arian]

I'm playing now. I'm a lvl 11 hunter.

[Warabit]

just ran through De ragan like 6 times in a row and level my job "hunter" to level 3. Currently level 15. Just synthed a nice dual pallasch(sp) PSU deffinetly lives up to PSO.
Have you guys been to 2nd planet(the chinese looking one) I looove that level in the mountains, so awesome.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Boy that was a sloppy thread merge. I must alarm everyone that PSU is now out on all major platforms (PS2, PC, and 360, PC and PS2 share a server, but 360 gets to hang with Japan).

Currently I'm around level 10 in online and offline story mode.

[demon_arian]

I tried to fight De Ragan alone....rofl.

[Jon]

Currently I'm around level 10 in online and offline story mode.
Are you characters the same for offline and online? Like can I play with my online character offline like the old games?

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Are you characters the same for offline and online? Like can I play with my online character offline like the old games?

Nope, offline is a story mode now, so you're stuck playing as Ethan Waber. They didn't make it so you could bring Ethan online, because a few hundred people named Ethan Waber would be pretty awkward.

There's an "extra mode" where you can apparenlty create a character, and play the online game offline, but who'd want to do that?

[crow-kun]

360 gets to hang with Japan.Right all 5 people. :P

I might get it.

[Reidar]

Yeah, that's my favorite level, as well. The boss is lame as hell, though, but that just makes it more fun to abuse. I'm at level 12.

[Siendra]

Bought it. This patch file for Network play is crazy.

[Sanada Warrior]

Anybody get the 360 version?

[The Ult. Otaku]

At the moment i'm a level 29 hunter.
My job class is 6
And I pwn when I transform into a beast

[The Ult. Otaku]

go to the other thread.

oops I mean stay here but I think the mods already deleted the other one.

[Reidar]

Okay, I understand the logic in merging two virtually identical threads, but I would never misspell "official".

[The Ult. Otaku]

hey I didnt name it, anyways send me a frend request if you want to join me,
Gamertag- I AK I HAMTARO.

[Warabit]

Im on PC, if anyone else is one pc/ps2, lets get together online.
can you guess my characters name?

[The Ult. Otaku]

Smoking Teacher?

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I'm on the 360, gamertag is Prons, my characters are Prons and PronsVictory, if anyone wants to INTERNET PLAY!!

[The Ult. Otaku]

I'm on the 360, gamertag is Prons, my characters are Prons and PronsVictory, if anyone wants to INTERNET PLAY!!
Send me a friend request

[The Million Dollar Prons]

What's your gamertag, d0d?

[Warabit]

Smoking Teacher?

lol no, warabit. Silly buns.

[Siendra]

I;m on the PC. Handle is Siendra.

Currently a lvl 10 Human / lvl 1 Hunter.

[demon_arian]

I;m on the PC. Handle is Siendra.

Currently a lvl 10 Human / lvl 1 Hunter.

Im on the PC. lvl 14 Humana / lvl 3 hunter

We've been exploiting the dragon bug...if you can call it that.

[Siendra]

Im on the PC. lvl 14 Humana / lvl 3 hunter

We've been exploiting the dragon bug...if you can call it that.


Que?

Also, I have no idea how the hell I actually "complete" missions. As in, the little box with your score, Meseta, etc... comes up. It did once tonight, but hasn't before and hasn't since.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Read the manual? I know how to do it on the 360 version, but that probably doesn't help at all XD. I remember hearing something about pressing the Z key on your keyboard.

[Warabit]

yep, press z then select the little artisk symbol. Yeah, the dragon bug is great.

[The Ult. Otaku]

I'll put my gamer tag on my signature put my game handle is already there.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Also take a look at my entire sig. I've made a guild if your not already in one join up.

[demon_arian]

Que?

Also, I have no idea how the hell I actually "complete" missions. As in, the little box with your score, Meseta, etc... comes up. It did once tonight, but hasn't before and hasn't since.

Well the "dragon bug" is basically abandoning the Plains Overlord Mission as soon as you get your EXP and items from DE Ragan. That was you can fight him without doing the first mission over again. It'll warp you back to the previous lobby but you'll still get credit for the mission.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Well the "dragon bug" is basically abandoning the Plains Overlord Mission as soon as you get your EXP and items from DE Ragan. That was you can fight him without doing the first mission over again. It'll warp you back to the previous lobby but you'll still get credit for the mission.

There is absolutly no reason to do that mission unless your marginally retarded or if your trying to synthesis the De ragon figure.
Sleeping warriors gives twice as much money and experience.
Also from doing the sleeping warriors mission about 400 times its finally paid off when I killed the final boss I got a level 11 long sword the same as what the boss uses. :$%&#!: :ssj: :$%&#!:

[demon_arian]

There is absolutly no reason to do that mission unless your marginally retarded or if your trying to synthesis the De ragon figure.
Sleeping warriors gives twice as much money and experience.
Also from doing the sleeping warriors mission about 400 times its finally paid off when I killed the final boss I got a level 11 long sword the same as what the boss uses. :$%&#!: :ssj: :$%&#!:

You can also do it for some easy exp. Sleeping Warriors works just as well.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Have you guys noticed that most of the bosses are fire based. A good ice weapon destroys them.

[demon_arian]

Have you guys noticed that most of the bosses are fire based. A good ice weapon destroys them.

I still haven't beat that stupid mech yet.

[The Ult. Otaku]

You've got to use earth weapons, usually all I do is transform behing him beat the snot out of him for about 8 seconds and he dies.

[ryucross]

Its funny, I'm not running into as many Cloud's and Sephiroth's as I did when PSO first hit.

[Reidar]

There isn't any Goku/Cloud-esque spiky hair choice.

[demon_arian]

Its funny, I'm not running into as many Cloud's and Sephiroth's as I did when PSO first hit.

I've seen Cloud, Sephiroth, Fayt, Selphie, Tifa, Sora, Roxas, Rikku, Ansem, Riku, Yuna, Paine, and others.

They're all out there. Originality am dead.

[Siendra]

Hmm. There needs to be armor drops in the field. I've nabbed a few weapons, but no armor.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Well, both my characters are around level 10, I can handle Sleeping Warriors and De Ragan around this point.

There's several things I've noted. Like harassing people around the Unsafe Passage entrance in Universe 1 is gut busting funny. Especially when there's a "woman" who has a bunch of INTERNET BODY GAURDS "protecting them."

Second of all, I wish there were some missions that weren't based in units of 5. I notice the mission level rate goes from 1 to 5 to 10 to 15 etc. etc. etc., I'd like to see some tweener missions, like Level Seven missions.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Or level 30 missions those are always fun everyone in the party has to be over level 20.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Camille and I are in the house, we'd let you play with us but we're already level 200 where are you.

[Siendra]

God Sega, content PLEASE.

[Reidar]

I wouldn't mind the lack of content if we weren't paying monthly, but now, it's like the money is going towards the unfinished game when I could have started later and paid with everything in place already.

[Siendra]

I know. There's a HUGE void of equipment, theres no quest, etc, etc.

WHAT THE ****, SEGA.

[ryucross]

They can't patch the PS2 version, so have to limit what you have available and release it over time. Thank Sony for giving the PS2 HDD the middle finger.

Also: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/data/935448.html

[Warabit]

^^ thats wierd, what is it? I agree about the content thingy. There arent any class A or S weapons yet. Hardly any rare weapons(though i believe the Japanese version just got an update releasing rares).

[Siendra]

They can't patch the PS2 version, so have to limit what you have available and release it over time. Thank Sony for giving the PS2 HDD the middle finger.

Also: http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/data/935448.html


Then **** the PS2 players. You know, all 30 of them.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Between my two characters I've ranked up about 25 hours, and am only around level 13 each. I'm only on chapter 5 of the story mode, Im not too worried about running out of things to do.

And, if we get the same update JAPAN got after the first month, that's a ton of extra content in that.

[Siendra]

I've logged that much time on one character. level 20/4 Hunter, and I'm tired of doing the same runs again and again. I'm also not liking that the crazy level 50 players keep saying "For gods sake, I have the exact same equipment as players 20 levels lower because there's nothing after that...."

I paid $50 for the game, and then another $12 to get online for 45 days. I would assume after paying $62, I'd get something that could keep me busy for longer before I'm left feeling ripped off.

Also, I was a devote PSO player. Logged just shy of a thousand hours overall. So it's not like I went into this expecting something it wasn't supposed to be.

[Jinto117]

Prons I'd love to play PSU with you.

[The Ult. Otaku]

I'm a level 38 now, and i'm not really running out of things to do since I'm with my guild we take on B and A rank missions let me tell you having over $$100,000 feels pretty good and its impossible for a level 50 to have the smae things as a 20 unless he is an Idiot I know for sure being at 38 that no 20 something has the same things as me.

For one I am expensive and no level 20 could have nearly as much money as me. second of all A and B rank missions drop completly different things and if you compare what rare in a C rank mission to and A rank you would see that.

[The Ult. Otaku]

If you send me a message we can get together and I'll show you the harder parts of the game.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Prons I'd love to play PSU with you.

Sure, you on the 360?

[The Ult. Otaku]

Sure, you on the 360?

I liked your old avatar more.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I liked your old avatar more.

Everyone does, but I change it every once in a while to tick people off, then when I get tired of it I go back to J.J. Evans.

[Jinto117]

Sure, you on the 360?

Yes. Although, since Gears of War is coming out soon and it got a freakin 9.6 out of 10 from Gamespot I might not be on PSU as much. I'll PM you my gamer tag.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Yeah, I'll be picking up both Call of Duty 3 today and Gears of War. My time is going to be stretched.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Did everyone die on this thread?

[Siendra]

No content = no play. Running De Ragan 80 times a day isn't fun.

[The Ult. Otaku]

De Ragon is for people who arnt smart enough to go to groves of fantatics.

[Matsu'o Tsurayaba]

According to rumor, but for now it's only confirmed for PC and PS2. That'd be pretty sweet if they could all play with each other.

Will it be just like the Dreamcast version and be more for online play?I hope not,i hope it could be played with perhaps multi-player or such.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I still say there's enough content for now. The problem is people keep getting locked into De Ragan and forget Neudiaz.

[Reidar]

Will it be just like the Dreamcast version and be more for online play?I hope not,i hope it could be played with perhaps multi-player or such.

The Dreamcast version of PSO had no offline multiplayer, and neither does any version of PSU. It's more geared towards online play. The offline portion has a passable storyline, at best.

[The Ult. Otaku]

But offline gives you the opportunity to check out moatoob.

[Jinto117]

I still say there's enough content for now. The problem is people keep getting locked into De Ragan and forget Neudiaz.

That's because De Ragon gives you 11 points for your class (assuming you get S rank). That's to good to pass up.

[The Ult. Otaku]

That's because De Ragon gives you 11 points for your class (assuming you get S rank). That's to good to pass up.

When Groves of Fanatics gives you 17 I think.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

That's because De Ragon gives you 11 points for your class (assuming you get S rank). That's to good to pass up.

Yeah, but there's no GAURDIANS missions yet, so that doesn't matter a whole lot.

[Reidar]

Updates are coming tomorrow. Moatoob will be open. Expert Classes should be available shortly thereafter.

[Jinto117]

I'm really looking forward to the new item drops. Anybody got 5 nano carbons they wanna sell me?

[Reidar]

I'm looking for those myself to make Gigaline. Your best bet is buying them from the NPC shop for 2,500 meseta, because player shops inexplainably overprice these like mad.

I mostly want the Expert classes. Those will be available with the second update.

[Jinto117]

I'm looking for those myself to make Gigaline. Your best bet is buying them from the NPC shop for 2,500 meseta, because player shops inexplainably overprice these like mad.

I mostly want the Expert classes. Those will be available with the second update.

And how does one obtain expert class again? I'm going for the pure hunter route so that's fortefighter for me.

[Reidar]

Once they've been added in, you simply go to the Guardians room at the top of the ship to switch, just like you would do for normal classes. I'm also going with Fortefighter. The axes look awesome.

[Jinto117]

So if I want fortefighter then all I have to do is just remain a hunter right and not switch anything?

[Reidar]

You can switch to that class from any class you want, as long as you meet the class point requirements. In the case of Fortefighter, you must be a level 10 Hunter.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Character level or class level? Class 10 Hunter is pretty serious buisness.

[Reidar]

Class level. I'm at Hunter level 10 with my first character. I just did De Ragen and Relic runs on A class.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Class level. I'm at Hunter level 10 with my first character. I just did De Ragen and Relic runs on A class.


AKA level grinded.
Spent 30 something hours doing the same mission over and over again.
Hope your glad, but I bet your sick of parum^_^

[Reidar]

Not at all. I have the foresight to see whether I'd enjoy something or not.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Not at all. I have the foresight to see whether I'd enjoy something or not.

What are you talking about.

Is anyone else besides me looking forward to thursday?

[Jinto117]

What are you talking about.

Is anyone else besides me looking forward to thursday?

Why? What's happening this Thursday? S rank weapons?!

[Reidar]

What are you talking about.

"...but I bet your sick of parum."

"Not at all."

[The Ult. Otaku]

"...but I bet your sick of parum."

"Not at all."

congrats. expert classes and new items.

[The Ult. Otaku]

I should never listen to rumors.:(

[Warabit]

I should never listen to rumors.:(

what does that mean? The things mentioned didnt come out?

[The Ult. Otaku]

the 8th is the official date.

[Reidar]

This update makes the monthly fee slightly more worth it.

[Siendra]

What did the update add? I haven't played in a few weeks. Got tired of running the same things again, and again, and again.

[Warabit]

What did the update add? I haven't played in a few weeks. Got tired of running the same things again, and again, and again.

I too am curious. I'm pretty close to canceling subscription and going back to WoW(only got up to lvl 27 before i got PSU). And I havent played it since the second week it was released

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Well they opened Moatobb, and it's pretty disapointing because the monsters are just re-skins of the monsters we've been fighting in Parum and Neudiaz, and they have a different element (Fire breath instead of ice attacks). Of course that was last update, this update is different. Although the updates seem to be pretty hefty, they're taking way to long to put 'em up and the game still feels kind of empty.

Honestly, I think the game isn't very good, I really liked it for a little while, but now I can hardly sit through a single mission on it. I cancled my account and got FFXI and WoW instead.

[Jinto117]

Well they opened Moatobb, and it's pretty disapointing because the monsters are just re-skins of the monsters we've been fighting in Parum and Neudiaz, and they have a different element (Fire breath instead of ice attacks). Of course that was last update, this update is different. Although the updates seem to be pretty hefty, they're taking way to long to put 'em up and the game still feels kind of empty.

Honestly, I think the game isn't very good, I really liked it for a little while, but now I can hardly sit through a single mission on it. I cancled my account and got FFXI and WoW instead.

So does this mean you and I are friends on Xbox live for nothing? Or do I still get to pwn you in Halo 3?

[The Million Dollar Prons]

So does this mean you and I are friends on Xbox live for nothing? Or do I still get to pwn you in Halo 3?

You won't be able to pwn me in Halo 3, because at the end the ultimate plot twist is revealed. PRONS IS MASTER CHIEF~!!! =O

[Michael]

I cancled my account and got FFXI and WoW instead.
FFXI and WoW? Good luck with that, sir!

To get anywhere in FFXI, it's going to suck up any and all free time you have.

WoW can be pretty laid back though. In the end you'll get to the point where it's the same problem you have with PSO, running the same thing over and over again. Except you'll probably spend 4 hours with your guild progressing to a certain point, calling it a night, and then doing more of it the next day, and the next day, etc. All in 4-5 different places! Woo!

[Warabit]

FFXI and WoW? Good luck with that, sir!

To get anywhere in FFXI, it's going to suck up any and all free time you have.


True but it is much more rewarding and engaging. I played it for over 2 years on and off. And it remains one of my favorite games.

[Michael]

True but it is much more rewarding and engaging. I played it for over 2 years on and off. And it remains one of my favorite games.
I don't regret the time I spent with the game, and it definitely has a spot as one of my favorite MMO experiences. However, so much has changed since the game first launched. It's nothing what it used to be, and steadily falling further and further. It had it's time, and that time is over, unless you're already 75 with the jobs you want, or have a guaranteed static to level new jobs with.

FFXI has been the only MMO I've played, in a long list of MMOs, that I could log in to and accomplish absolutely nothing that I wanted to accomplish for the day. I've come to respect my time more. :p

WoW is great for pickup and play. If I want to do something within reason on WoW, all I have to do is log in and go. If I want to make money, I don't have to out-camp RMT. If I want to kill people, I don't have to wait for a battleground schedule, or try to form a group of pvp people to bring to a diorama. If I want to level a new character, I don't have to find 4 other people to do it with.

EQ I spent the longest time with. That was also a game where I wasn't almost absolutely restricted to grouping. While it does have more competitive camping for items and money, it was no where near as bad as FFXI. EQ had more common courtesy. Named mobs were first come, first serve, or on a list. Every server had a guild rotation for what would be the equivalent of HNM.

The largest downside of EQ was the simplicity of the combat. Not that playing a Rogue in WoW is rocket science, or anywhere near the amount of micromanagement of playing a Ninja, but the ONLY thing I did during combat as a monk in EQ was spam one key. Flying Kick. Spam flying kick until the mob died. Pull another mob by running into it, FD if I get an add, return to group/safe solo spot, spam Flying Kick.

FFXI was great when you were in a group, and a waste of money outside one. It's a pain to actually manage a static, something I was only able to accomplish on my first main job, dragoon, from like 40-60.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I suppose you wouldn't be able to hook Prons up with a world pass? =D I've been strugglign to get one for FFXI before the game actually arrives at my house, I wanna get on a good server!

[Warabit]

I don't regret the time I spent with the game, and it definitely has a spot as one of my favorite MMO experiences. However, so much has changed since the game first launched. It's nothing what it used to be, and steadily falling further and further. It had it's time, and that time is over, unless you're already 75 with the jobs you want, or have a guaranteed static to level new jobs with.

FFXI has been the only MMO I've played, in a long list of MMOs, that I could log in to and accomplish absolutely nothing that I wanted to accomplish for the day. I've come to respect my time more. :p

I have to agree with you there, you had to commit your life and soul to progress. Honestly My main job (BLM) I only got up to 42 or something like that. But I lvled a bunch of other jobs too somewhat. PLD35, PUP28ish, and so on. It was alot of fun, but the higher level you get the harder it is to fint partys, thats what take forever. Finding a decent party, and actually leveling with it.

Good times in dunes, but man I hated it there. lol


WoW is great for pickup and play. If I want to do something within reason on WoW, all I have to do is log in and go. If I want to make money, I don't have to out-camp RMT. If I want to kill people, I don't have to wait for a battleground schedule, or try to form a group of pvp people to bring to a diorama. If I want to level a new character, I don't have to find 4 other people to do it with...



...FFXI was great when you were in a group, and a waste of money outside one. It's a pain to actually manage a static, something I was only able to accomplish on my first main job, dragoon, from like 40-60.

Like i said, I started playing In september. And yes, it is great pick up and play, like PSU. But WoW's world seems way more full in comparison. And it costs the same. It's hard to describe but PSU just feels like a upscaled PSO mod. Where as WoW feels more like some epic tale, with your character as the protagonist.

[Michael]

Games like PSO are amazing for filler games. I can't stand to honestly play them as much as I do "true" MMOs, but I can always fall back on them to entertain me when I'm bored of the game I am playing.

I suppose you wouldn't be able to hook Prons up with a world pass? =D I've been strugglign to get one for FFXI before the game actually arrives at my house, I wanna get on a good server!
I gladly would if my account were active, but it's not. I played for a week back in September, then quit again. I only really activated it then because I hate the idea of losing everything I've accomplished in the game due to an inactivity purge. Then again, I hate the idea of wanting to play the game again. It's a serious dilemma!

[Siendra]

So PSU still sucks then? *sigh*

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Yeah, was PSO this bad?

[Siendra]

No. Not at all.

PSO had item collection going for it, though. From the get go, there were thousands of items in PSO. And some really awesome rare items. And then Ep. 2 added some neat team based mechanics.

PSU is like the basic gameplay of PSO, with a new engine, and none of the stuff that made PSO addicting as sin.

[Reidar]

Have you heard of the new room glitch? If you want to keep playing, close your shop and lock your room. Hackers can now access and steal your items. People have had their PM's reduced back to level zero because elite hackersauruses are going around and feeding them the PM Zero item.

****, Sega. Why did you screw this game up? Somebody give me a Dreamcast.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

For the last few weeks I've also heard reports of "Stolen Sunflowers" as a room error. ;)

[Jinto117]

I eat sunflowers for breakfast.

[Warabit]

Have you heard of the new room glitch? If you want to keep playing, close your shop and lock your room. Hackers can now access and steal your items. People have had their PM's reduced back to level zero because elite hackersauruses are going around and feeding them the PM Zero item.

****, Sega. Why did you screw this game up? Somebody give me a Dreamcast.

wow, thats incredibly lame. First Sega distributes a halfdone "MMORPG" and now its now hackersaurus-proof! This is the kind of stuff that slowly killed PSO.

And yes, PSO was awesome.
Like Siendra said, the item collecting was downright addicting. And there were some awesome unique looking rares, demoliton comet, or the double cannon, the choa on a stick, umbrella, hildebear/hildeblu cane, L&K14 Combat, Rianov, Yasminkov , chain sawd...

aww man the good old days. But I havent seen or heard of anything like that in this game yet.

[Siendra]

As far as looks were concerned, I always liked the Blade Dancer. I mean, there's nothing and then the energy blades appear at the last moment of the attack.

That was just cool.

And the Rappy Fan, Aiko's Frying Pan, Wok, etc... were just fun. :D

Heck, I even really enjoyed Ep. III, so PSU is a huge disappointment.

[The Ult. Otaku]

I love when people have nothing better to do then complain. Psu pwns jinto r u still playing?

[Siendra]

I love when people have nothing better to do then complain. Psu pwns jinto r u still playing?

It's better now, but it by no means "pwns". In order for that to be possible, there would need to be actual quests, and world events. Not to mention separating the PC players and PS2 players so we can expect some decent updates.

[Jinto117]

Yeah I'm still playing. I've been playing. Been trying to get myself of a Jogiri (8* sword). Board cost 110,00 meseta though. It's so damn high! Also, I've been working on creating a 420 model as my PM.

P.S. Prons, FFXI is lamer then PSU.

[Reidar]

I love when people have nothing better to do then complain.

Utterly disregarding legitimate issues is far more ignorant.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Utterly disregarding legitimate issues is far more ignorant.


most “issues” have been corrected and I guess giving up is better?

also I had a jogiri but sold it for 130k

[Reidar]

most “issues” have been corrected

That's because people complained.

It's also amusing how you paraphrase "issues", as if you're isolating the term with ridicule in itself from the actual concept behind the word. Are you not acknowledging people having their items and money stolen, and even having their Xbox Live account broken into and their password changed, as legitimate issues?

...and I guess giving up is better?

If the person isn't having fun because of said issues, yes.

People aren't sheep. If there's bull**** to be taken care of, they should and will go to the company that relies on their money, and consequently, satisfaction.

Did that really need explaining?

[The Ult. Otaku]

That's because people complained.

It's also amusing how you paraphrase "issues", as if you're isolating the term with ridicule in itself from the actual concept behind the word. Are you not acknowledging people having their items and money stolen, and even having their Xbox Live account broken into and their password changed, as legitimate issues?



If the person isn't having fun because of said issues, yes.

People aren't sheep. If there's bull**** to be taken care of, they should and will go to the company that relies on their money, and consequently, satisfaction.

Did that really need explaining?

Everything u have stated has not happened and the 360 has not been hacked.

[Reidar]

Yes, it has. Sega itself has acknowledged items being stolen out of rooms.

Xbox Live issues:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=932621&topic=32356155

[The Ult. Otaku]

funny. I dont see anything official just stories, that have no evidence.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

P.S. Prons, FFXI is lamer then PSU.

Let's run it down:

FFXI is bigger.
FFXI updates more often.
FFXI has actual party communication.
FFXI has more interesting jobs.
FFXI has funner skills and combat that actually seems involved.
FFXI has quests and missions.
FFXI has PvP and end game content.
FFXI has no De Ragan.
FFXI has more population, by the time I stopped playing PSU there was a drastic drop in online players that I noticed.
FFXI updates happen world wide, America is not four months behind Japan.
FFXI actually has more interesting party roles than "the guy who hits the monster and the guy who heals people."

PSU does have some advantages over FFXI, it's extremely easy to get into a party (although the partying isn't nearly as interactive), combat is very easy (though FFXI's combat is better because the skills make it more interesting), and it's probably the least demanding MMO I've ever seen.

Did I mention after the 50th time De Ragan gets really boring? Even when they added that entire new planet it still seemed like I was fighting De Ragan a lot.

I didn't want to be one of those people you see on the official PSU forum all the time talking about how much the game sucks, and how they're canceling their account, but damn the game sure is disapointing and has a lot of problems.

Seriously, if the levels are going to be ALL INSTANCED there is absolutely no reason not to have lots of missions, and then they already have an expansion pack announced already?! They failed at releasing a complete game and now they're failing so much they're releasing an expansion pack that probably also will have way too little content.

Maybe it'd be good if they fixed the gameplay, made it so all the monsters aren't just reskins of eachother, added more levels, and well, changed everything. At least the character customization was top notch

[Michael]

FFXI has no De Ragan.
Needs more emphasis.

[Siendra]

It needs a fifty foot tall neon red sign.

Oh, and account canceled.

[Michael]

Yeah, I finally gave it a shot two weeks ago, played it for maybe a week. Got to 32 on a human, wasn't really sure what I wanted to do, so I had 8 hunter, 5 force, 3 ranger, 2 fortegunner, almost 2 wartecher.

It's just as I expected it. A great way to kill time until you want to kill yourself. If only people regularly did more than De Ragan and MAYBE Relics. I know it would have entertained me longer if I could have found people to do stuff other than the same freaking dragon over and over and over and over again. Hell, I thoroughly enjoyed the rare Valley of Carnage I could get into.

[Reidar]

funny. I dont see anything official just stories, that have no evidence.

What you have just done is an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy of logic, on the notion that the premise is false only because it has not been proven true.

I stated that Sega has acknowledged these issues, and then provided a link to allegations of Xbox Live fraud, with no implied correlation whatsoever. You see, I assumed it was common sense for one to conclude from 172 posts of complaints in a topic idential to one on PSU's official boards (http://boards2.sega.com/psu_board/viewtopic.php?t=13236&highlight=cheaters ) that, at the very least, there is an issue at hand (which you did not do, but instead, outright stated that all aforementioned problems have been corrected), and that you simply wanted reference of a convincing quantity, not proof behind them. Sega acknowledged these issues by getting an update to GameGuard against further item duplication.

Video proof of somebody duping:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vqHlhKl2mE

An entire section of a popular forum dedicated to the issue:
http://www.pso-world.com/viewforum.php?forum=4&start=35

As amusing as your denial and illogic is, there does come a time when ignorance becomes offensive to others' intelligence.

[Siendra]

Yeah, I finally gave it a shot two weeks ago, played it for maybe a week. Got to 32 on a human, wasn't really sure what I wanted to do, so I had 8 hunter, 5 force, 3 ranger, 2 fortegunner, almost 2 wartecher.

It's just as I expected it. A great way to kill time until you want to kill yourself. If only people regularly did more than De Ragan and MAYBE Relics. I know it would have entertained me longer if I could have found people to do stuff other than the same freaking dragon over and over and over and over again. Hell, I thoroughly enjoyed the rare Valley of Carnage I could get into.

Even then, there just isn't nearly enough too the game to keep you busy.

[Warabit]

What?! there is already duping? this is rediculous. I think ima drop my copy off at gamestop today. I give up.

[Len]

... am I the only one who would much rather PSO?

[Warabit]

... am I the only one who would much rather PSO?

at this point in time, I feel the same way. PSU has potential, but as far as I can see its a disaster.

[Len]

I liked Blue Burst, though many said it to be a failure.

[The Ult. Otaku]

What you have just done is an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy of logic, on the notion that the premise is false only because it has not been proven true.

I stated that Sega has acknowledged these issues, and then provided a link to allegations of Xbox Live fraud, with no implied correlation whatsoever. You see, I assumed it was common sense for one to conclude from 172 posts of complaints in a topic idential to one on PSU's official boards (http://boards2.sega.com/psu_board/viewtopic.php?t=13236&highlight=cheaters ) that, at the very least, there is an issue at hand (which you did not do, but instead, outright stated that all aforementioned problems have been corrected), and that you simply wanted reference of a convincing quantity, not proof behind them. Sega acknowledged these issues by getting an update to GameGuard against further item duplication.

Video proof of somebody duping:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vqHlhKl2mE

An entire section of a popular forum dedicated to the issue:
http://www.pso-world.com/viewforum.php?forum=4&start=35

As amusing as your denial and illogic is, there does come a time when ignorance becomes offensive to others' intelligence.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PDKcX0Ji90

I'm sure.

[The Ult. Otaku]

1. 360 players seem to enjoy their PSU more than PC/PS2 players, but that's due mainly to a difference in security (if you can sift through the fanboys/girls that can't see logic beyond the tip of their noses). The safety of hacking on the 360 is, however, in question... in contrast, the hacking is confirmed on the PC/PS2 servers, but beyond meseta duping, stolen room decorations, and PM zeroing, there's nothing dangerous that could technically happen to your character (meaning no one has lost levels or had their character tampered with).



Stop whining and go sit in a corner with some pocky PSU rocks.

[Siendra]

Your point being?

The game overall is a disaster - the lack insanely lacking security is just a component of that.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Your point being?

The game overall is a disaster - the lack insanely lacking security is just a component of that.

The lack insanly lacking???

If you want to quit thats fine but make another thread and whine there.

[Reidar]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PDKcX0Ji90

I'm sure.

The video is saying that you don't understand what I typed. I'm hereby to assume that English is your second language because of that, and because you had to search on YouTube to express yourself instead of telling me using your own intelligence.

1. 360 players seem to enjoy their PSU more than PC/PS2 players, but that's due mainly to a difference in security (if you can sift through the fanboys/girls that can't see logic beyond the tip of their noses). The safety of hacking on the 360 is, however, in question... in contrast, the hacking is confirmed on the PC/PS2 servers, but beyond meseta duping, stolen room decorations, and PM zeroing, there's nothing dangerous that could technically happen to your character (meaning no one has lost levels or had their character tampered with).



Stop whining and go sit in a corner with some pocky PSU rocks.

Where is your link? Proof that this isn't outdated? Source? Authority of the source?

Let's learn how to count, before anything else. I gave you sources for literally hundreds of allegations, including many on an official Sega forum. You paraphrased one anonymous quote. The worst part is that your own "proof" contradicts you, since you claimed that all issues have been fixed.

Your gimmicks aren't working. Quite frankly, you're not very good at humor, so the least you can do is address what I've said like a mature person, instead of doing a search for off-topic pop-culture clips.

[Jinto117]

I would love to be able to do that super fast attack thing on the 360 version. Either that or inf meseta.

[The Ult. Otaku]

The video is saying that you don't understand what I typed. I'm hereby to assume that English is your second language because of that, and because you had to search on YouTube to express yourself instead of telling me using your own intelligence.



Where is your link? Proof that this isn't outdated? Source? Authority of the source?

Let's learn how to count, before anything else. I gave you sources for literally hundreds of allegations, including many on an official Sega forum. You paraphrased one anonymous quote. The worst part is that your own "proof" contradicts you, since you claimed that all issues have been fixed.

Your gimmicks aren't working. Quite frankly, you're not very good at humor, so the least you can do is address what I've said like a mature person, instead of doing a search for off-topic pop-culture clips.

So I'm guessing you havnt eaten your pocky yet?

[Reidar]

If you want to make off-topic posts, don't do it in this thread. Cheating in online games is a very legitimate issue to discuss about, and you're now contributing nothing on that subject.

[The Ult. Otaku]

I'm on the 360 and since hacking hasnt started there yet I have no reason to be concerned. Also was the pocky good?¿?

[Reidar]

There's been plenty of cheating on the 360. If there was none, Sega wouldn't allow ten page topics about Xbox Live hacking on their forums because it'd be trolling.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Your an idiot for thinking anyone monitors those forums the only people who do are the admins and mods and most of the topics are closed. The reason there are soo many topics like those is because of people like you spreading rumors, getting everyone excited over nothing.

[Reidar]

The moderators are appointed as representatives of Sega. If those topics were pages of propagandist lies, they would be considered trolling, and they would be deleted.

Again, you're committing a fallacy of logic on the notion that the premise is false only because it has not been proven true. To say that all these people claiming it happened to them are simply suffering from placebo effect of rumors is absurd.

[The Ult. Otaku]

so are you saying everyone is guilty until proven innocent?

[Reidar]

No. "Everyone" isn't cheating.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Yeah so, people on PSU are cheating, why deny? It'd be like if I tried to deny there's thousands of Chinese people playing World of Warcraft for real money trade, and FFXI isn't loaded with gold farmers. There's cheating in PSU. Why refuse to admit it? :(

[Len]

Yeah so, people on PSU are cheating, why deny? It'd be like if I tried to deny there's thousands of Chinese people playing World of Warcraft for real money trade, and FFXI isn't loaded with gold farmers. There's cheating in PSU. Why refuse to admit it? :(

Keeping hacks out of an online game is like keeping Lettuce out of Salad.

[Jinto117]

Keeping hacks out of an online game is like keeping Lettuce out of Salad.

Or f***ing for virginity.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Or eating for anorexia.

This is now a "Polls, Battles, and Games," thread.

[The Ult. Otaku]

lvl 64 woot!¡!¡!!!

[Jinto117]

When are you and I going to do some more Brucey?

[The Ult. Otaku]

I'll be on tommorow around 5.

[Len]

Why does that sound like Yaoi to me?

[The Ult. Otaku]

Why does that sound like Yaoi to me?

Because, everything in existence revolves around Yaoi.

[The Ult. Otaku]

lvl 66 woot!!!

[The Ult. Otaku]

Is anyone selling cheap guns?

[Siendra]

"Is anyone still playing the game?" would be a better question.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

I hate to keep coming here to be a *****, but how is the community doing? When I left in December Universe 2 was only 3 stars.

[Reidar]

It's decent. I'm thinking about quitting, however. I like the game very much, but $10.00 a month is hard to accept with lag and glitches.

[Jinto117]

Don't worry every one. I'll invent the perfect game some day.:)

[Warabit]

havent played since november. Can't say I miss it all that much...
Are there S-rank weapons and rares worth finding yet? I may come back when there are.

[Jinto117]

I believe there are only two S rank weapons so far. That would the Crea Doubles and the Halarod.

[The Ult. Otaku]

I believe there are only two S rank weapons so far. That would the Crea Doubles and the Halarod.

I'd say there is about 50% more people on than when first released and The S ranks are pretty challenging.

[Siendra]

I'd say there is about 50% more people on than when first released

Are you on the 360? 'Cause Universes 1-7 were full in the PC version when the game was released. And 8-17 had at least two full stars each. When I quite a month ago, Universe 1 was full, universe 2 was half full, and none of the others had any people in them.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Well thats because of all the crap going on in those servers 360 is up and running. especially with the demo that was released.

[Siendra]

What crap? I highly doubt 75% of the population left because of a 1/1000000 chance they could get their **** stolen. The game is just ridiculously flawed.

[The Ult. Otaku]

I wouldnt touch the PC version with a 37 ft. pole. 360 is fine though. Lvl. 68!

[Jinto117]

To understand just how messed up the PC and PS2 versions are, look up PSU on Ebay. $5 for 10 million meseta equals broken.

[The Ult. Otaku]

To understand just how messed up the PC and PS2 versions are, look up PSU on Ebay. $5 for 10 million meseta equals broken.

Definitly.

[Warabit]

As a PC PSU owner I would like to thank Sega for making this awesome game that we can all enjoy without worries.</sarcasm>

Where can I dump this thing for some gas money? ebgames wont take PC games, I'm thinking maybe a pawn shop? Dunno how much I can get for it there... any suggestions?

[The Ult. Otaku]

WOW or go to the 360

[Jinto117]

As a PC PSU owner I would like to thank Sega for making this awesome game that we can all enjoy without worries.</sarcasm>

Where can I dump this thing for some gas money? ebgames wont take PC games, I'm thinking maybe a pawn shop? Dunno how much I can get for it there... any suggestions?

First I have to ask if you ever even played the original PSO back in the day. Second, if you didn't then what made you decide to even buy the game?

[Warabit]

First I have to ask if you ever even played the original PSO back in the day. Second, if you didn't then what made you decide to even buy the game?

Heck yeah, I spent countless hours with the Original PSO. And then even more countless hours on the GC version. I love PSO. Absolutely Love it. PSU on the other hand... not impressed. Guess I was just expecting a little more... You know, at least a little less hacking and duping as DCPSO? Sega just disappointed me. I used to love playing and finding rares and everything. I dont like the whole "rare mats" stuff. I want to kill a boss a bunch of times in hopes of it dropping something cool. Not some rare mats to make a statue.

And just a small gripe. what ever happened to vehicles and such sega talked about? I always envisioned an overworld like in other MMOs where you used vehicles to get around. Had me really hyped for PSU. Now several month later there are a couple dinky rare weapon drops thats I've heard of. Peoples accounts getting ripped off. Duping. ugh. No thanks sega, keep your game I'll look elsewhere.

[Jinto117]

Heck yeah, I spent countless hours with the Original PSO. And then even more countless hours on the GC version. I love PSO. Absolutely Love it. PSU on the other hand... not impressed. Guess I was just expecting a little more... You know, at least a little less hacking and duping as DCPSO? Sega just disappointed me. I used to love playing and finding rares and everything. I dont like the whole "rare mats" stuff. I want to kill a boss a bunch of times in hopes of it dropping something cool. Not some rare mats to make a statue.

And just a small gripe. what ever happened to vehicles and such sega talked about? I always envisioned an overworld like in other MMOs where you used vehicles to get around. Had me really hyped for PSU. Now several month later there are a couple dinky rare weapon drops thats I've heard of. Peoples accounts getting ripped off. Duping. ugh. No thanks sega, keep your game I'll look elsewhere.

Yeah, I definitely understand what you are saying. I too wish the game had an overworld where you actually had to move to the next destination. Although I personally don't mind the synthesis aspect, I do agree with you that this game just doesn't fee like Phantasy Star should. I am still playing none the less. But hey, when Halo 3 drops, goodbye PSU.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Yeah, I definitely understand what you are saying. I too wish the game had an overworld where you actually had to move to the next destination. Although I personally don't mind the synthesis aspect, I do agree with you that this game just doesn't fee like Phantasy Star should. I am still playing none the less. But hey, when Halo 3 drops, goodbye PSU.

You'll be back to PSU right when I pwn you in Halo3. :p

[Jinto117]

You'll be back to PSU right when I pwn you in Halo3. :p

Snap! Oh no you didn't!

[The Ult. Otaku]

Snap! Oh no you didn't!

U wanna go son. Bring it.

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Kekeke you two are so silly. You know full well the match will start and the exact second it starts I'll be INSIDE YOUR BASE, grabbing your flag. Because I'm THE ZERG RUSH GOD

[Jinto117]

Kekeke you two are so silly. You know full well the match will start and the exact second it starts I'll be INSIDE YOUR BASE, grabbing your flag. Because I'm THE ZERG RUSH GOD

Listen man. All your base are belong to us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Hahah you guys are so bad Halo 3 you forgot this is CTF not base capture! The game isn't even in Semi-Open Beta and I'm already cappin' headshots.

[Jinto117]

Prons you keep that up and I'm gonna take a picture of my tv while T-bagging you on Halo 3!

[The Million Dollar Prons]

Please keep your genitals off the Television.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Kekeke you two are so silly. You know full well the match will start and the exact second it starts I'll be INSIDE YOUR BASE, grabbing your flag. Because I'm THE ZERG RUSH GOD


Well since you dont have your Dynomite!!! avatar I'de have to say no.

[Jinto117]

Please keep your genitals off the Television.

Not mine, but those of the Master Chief!

[The Ult. Otaku]

Not mine, but those of the Master Chief!

Bow chicka bow wow. LVL. 70!!!

[Jinto117]

Congratulations, now when you kill monsters you won't know they are dead! Also have fun waiting till March for the level cap to increase!

[The Ult. Otaku]

I know its soooo annoying I use up alot of PP atack dead monsters. But I'm gonna switch to Mrs. Hamtaro Tonight and see if i can get her to 50.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Only got Mrs. to 44 :(

[The Ult. Otaku]

Happy Valentines!!!

[The Ult. Otaku]

Sai= sad money?

Started playing single player went from lvl 18 to 54 in 7 hours lol.

[The Ult. Otaku]

I meant Sad Monkey on money.

Dambarta=pwnage.

[Warabit]

do you like talking to yourself? lol

[The Ult. Otaku]

Rofl waffle, my force hit forte-techer 3 and she became a lvl. 48 woot.

[The Ult. Otaku]

jeez leveling up a force takes forever,
Only 49~!

[The Ult. Otaku]

Only hit 71 but I've got a whole lot of PA fragments.

[The Ult. Otaku]

Hit 80 but trying to level up my 51 force is taking forever.

[Reidar]

I haven't played in months. I'm still a level 59 Fortefighter. I have too much that I need to devote my budget to at this point, unfortunately.

[The Ult. Otaku]

I'm starting to get tired now Hopefully the expansion will liven things up.

[Warabit]

I'm starting to get tired now Hopefully the expansion will liven things up.

they are making an expansion? So that means that this is all they planned to offer... Any cool unique rares yet?

[The Million Dollar Prons]

They announced an expansion the day the game came out. That proves how poorly made this ****** game is

[Reidar]

No lollipop after doctor check-up? Foolish meatbag.

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