Have any gay character been "Slashed straight?"

[earsofdoom]

After reading into the whole slash thing i began to wonder "what would happen if populer Yaoi/Yuri characters were slashed into hetero relationships?" but recently there was a fanfiction that slashed Himeko with Souma from KnM (she's pretty much a flag ship character to) so are there any other hetero slash's of these character's, and the ppl swear up and down it's canon? and if so how would the fan's react? i just find it kinda interesting with the situation in complete reverse.

[Defiled one]

...Welll in fanfiction.....I have read some stories about two guys...who are in love and sudenly.."Insert mojo jojo plot in here" one of them turn in to a girl....and voilá there is your strait way.....mostly on Harry Potter "shudders"

[kimbeey13]

I have seen some of the gender change fanfics as well, but I have yet to find one where someone who originally liked the same gender start to like the opposite gender.

[shezaei_neko]

I've read some fanfics where Shizuru (from Mai-Hime) begins to like a guy......of course this is to do the fic more dramatic and angsty...
'Cause I can't imagine Shizuru with no other than Natsuki :heart:
Besides this I don't know something like this had happened before....

[typhonblue]

If it was well written I bet it would be interesting. But I'm not in the "essentialist sexual identity" camp.

[Ayyu]

Yeah! Hanagata x Bloodberry from Saber Marionette J. xD;

[Dinco]

I've read some fanfics where Shizuru (from Mai-Hime) begins to like a guy......of course this is to do the fic more dramatic and angsty...
'Cause I can't imagine Shizuru with no other than Natsuki :heart:
Besides this I don't know something like this had happened before....
Didn't Shizuru reject her anyways? Yeah, the writers were probably in the prejudiced Japanese school of thought that girls are supposed to turn straight again after high school. <_< So it may not be too out of character, unfortunately.

Honeslty, I don't really care as long as its done tastefully, but unfortunately most of them have really nice homophobic overtones.

[Animematt55]

Didn't Shizuru reject her anyways? Yeah, the writers were probably in the prejudiced Japanese school of thought that girls are supposed to turn straight again after high school. <_< So it may not be too out of character, unfortunately.

Honeslty, I don't really care as long as its done tastefully, but unfortunately most of them have really nice homophobic overtones.
Natsuki didnt reject SHizuru, at first she did though, but then she accepted.

[typhonblue]

Didn't Shizuru reject her anyways? Yeah, the writers were probably in the prejudiced Japanese school of thought that girls are supposed to turn straight again after high school. <_< So it may not be too out of character, unfortunately.

Do you get this impression from japanese culture?

[shezaei_neko]

Shizuru would never reject Natsuki!
And Natsuki (sorta) accepted Shizuru by the end of Mai-Hime.

[Dinco]

Do you get this impression from japanese culture?
Yeah, this is a terrible sterotype with Japanese people pretty much akin to made up racial stereotypes that existed for a long time in the US. Its ok for you to have girlfriends or whatever during school, but you are expected to marry a man once you graduate and take your pre-determined role in society. The previous lesbianism was just youthfull flights of fancy, suggesting anything more is unacceptable and incorrect in thier eyes. That's the way it was thought of for a long time and its reflected in many anime I have seen. I think they're only beginning to get over this more recently thanks to the western (and more reality based, not BS based) views of homosexuality seeping into Japanese culture. In anime I think this really started in the mid 90's with more overtly lesbian characters in certain anime, and making more progress now. Although I think some of the shows really suck even if they are making progress in other ways. For example, for a long time it seemd too risque to show two girls kissing on screen, thats why for a long time they panned away when it happened. Now they can just show it on broadcast television and it's no big deal.

My bad for getting Shizuru and Natsuki mixed up, but their fans are so annoying its become like Benifer, except the term Shiznatz is used, which sounds like slang for something really disgusting.

[Animematt55]

My bad for getting Shizuru and Natsuki mixed up, but their fans are so annoying its become like Benifer, except the term Shiznatz is used, which sounds like slang for something really disgusting.
Well girlXgirl couples are pretty rare, so we gotta love what we get.
They also have adorable fan art too.

[shezaei_neko]

They also have adorable fan art too.
Sure they have!! God, some are really good!! :heart:
And let's not talk about some doujinshi.....

[earsofdoom]

Yeah, this is a terrible sterotype with Japanese people pretty much akin to made up racial stereotypes that existed for a long time in the US. Its ok for you to have girlfriends or whatever during school, but you are expected to marry a man once you graduate and take your pre-determined role in society. The previous lesbianism was just youthfull flights of fancy, suggesting anything more is unacceptable and incorrect in thier eyes. That's the way it was thought of for a long time and its reflected in many anime I have seen. I think they're only beginning to get over this more recently thanks to the western (and more reality based, not BS based) views of homosexuality seeping into Japanese culture. In anime I think this really started in the mid 90's with more overtly lesbian characters in certain anime, and making more progress now. Although I think some of the shows really suck even if they are making progress in other ways. For example, for a long time it seemd too risque to show two girls kissing on screen, thats why for a long time they panned away when it happened. Now they can just show it on broadcast television and it's no big deal.

My bad for getting Shizuru and Natsuki mixed up, but their fans are so annoying its become like Benifer, except the term Shiznatz is used, which sounds like slang for something really disgusting.

My own theory for this has alway's been that it just wasn't possible for a girlxgirl couple to exist back 30 years ago, We've all heard that back then woman were expected to stay home and take care of the house/family. add unto that the fact that job's were very limited for them and that they didn't get paid very much so the income of two woman (if they were lucky enough to be hired) combined wouldn't be enough to support themselves. thankfully due to equal pay (though some place's woman still get paid less) and work it's possible now. and of course there's a big emphasis on starting a family in japan, and just plain not accepting it. So after High School couple's were DOOMED, these are very present in classic japanese yuri manga written by woman whom experianced these things themselves. (If your planning on reading any be warned though.... not for the weak of heart i don't think there is one classic yuri with a non tragic ending, and in the first ever yuri manga one of the girls commits suicide)

EDIT:^yea, there's a girl on deviant art that draw's really cute comic's about those 2.

[zangulus]

I had this idea of writing a descendants of darkness fanfic where Tsuzuki was actually straight, it was that he just didn't know it because every girl on the show died before he could form an attachment to her.

[Dark Adonis]

I often see Inuyasha fics on fanfiction.net where Jakotsu is paired with one of the female characters. I have also seen hetero fics about Hiro from Gravitation. Of course he's already bisexual and ends up in a hetero relationship in the show. But I have seen stories that have paired him up with other girls. One was a crossover fic where they paired him with a girl from a totally different anime. I have also seen a hetero fic of the gay-themed drama series, Queer as Folk. It revolved around Brian Kinney in college and a romance with this woman before he became totally gay. I bet you anything it was a mary-sue fic. I haven't read any of the stories I mentioned. I just know what they are about from seeing the summaries.

[Yukito Kunisaki]

Hmm, When I saw Gravitation, I thought Hiro was always straight...then again, I am not a gravitation fan...oh well.

[Crawlspace]

People will put Haruka with (the male version of) Seiya for some reason. That's one I don't get unless the reasoning is "they hate each other so it must be love." :P I've seen Michiru paired off with either Mamoru or RandomGuy, though this is always done badly and without a well thought out reason. Let's face it, Mamoru just isn't a bad guy and Michiru is in love with Haruka to the point of codependency, so some real thought would have to accompany the switch.

Since there really aren't that many actual lesbians in anime, it's not something you see happen all that often on the yuri side, though.

[earsofdoom]

though this is always done badly and without a well thought out reason.


That covers about 99.99 percent of slash fanfic's. :P

[DazzleKitty]

That covers about 99.99 percent of slash fanfic's. :P

And I am quite sure you've read 99.9 percent of them, right?

[Soluzar]

And I am quite sure you've read 99.9 percent of them, right?
Hey, if it wasn't about a completely arbitrary pairing, it wouldn't be slash. If there was an obvious reason to put those characters together, it would just be regular romantic fanfiction. The whole point of slashfic is to put together characters without any good reason, other than that provided in the fic. I suppose you could argue the point about being "done badly", but really you're arguing the definition of slash here.

[Dark Adonis]

Hey, if it wasn't about a completely arbitrary pairing, it wouldn't be slash. If there was an obvious reason to put those characters together, it would just be regular romantic fanfiction. The whole point of slashfic is to put together characters without any good reason, other than that provided in the fic. I suppose you could argue the point about being "done badly", but really you're arguing the definition of slash here.

In that case, I suppose we can't call a Taichi x Yamato fic, or a Trowa x Quatre fic, or a Ban x Ginji fic slash. None of those characters are technically together, but there are logical reasons for putting them together. In this case, should slash be reserved strictly for pairings such as Inuyasha x Kouga, Ban x Shido, and Heero x Zechs? And since there are also alot of unlikely hetero pairings in fanfiction, what should we call those? Hetslash? As condescending as I'm sure I sound, I'm not actually trying to be offensive. I just want to see where you are comming from here.

[earsofdoom]

In that case, I suppose we can't call a Taichi x Yamato fic, or a Trowa x Quatre fic, or a Ban x Ginji fic slash.

If you wouldn't mind could you list some reason's why they are not slash? becouse i don't see a reason why these characters should ever be paired.

[Ariel Tsuki]

In that case, I suppose we can't call a Taichi x Yamato fic, or a Trowa x Quatre fic, or a Ban x Ginji fic slash. None of those characters are technically together, but there are logical reasons for putting them together. In this case, should slash be reserved strictly for pairings such as Inuyasha x Kouga, Ban x Shido, and Heero x Zechs? And since there are also alot of unlikely hetero pairings in fanfiction, what should we call those? Hetslash? As condescending as I'm sure I sound, I'm not actually trying to be offensive. I just want to see where you are comming from here.

No, all of them (maybe with the exception of Ban and Ginji because their relationship is ambiguous) is slash. They're just popular pairings.

Taito is slash because in the series itself, they never showed any romantic feelings for each other, just that they're very best friends. And you forgot the whole Tai-Sora-Yamato love triangle that was prominent in one of the episodes of the second season. And the final episode of the 02 season shows...

Yamato and Sora ended up with each other, which I was pissed since I was a Taiora fan.

Plus, it has been said that there is no offical couples in Gundam Wing (although Heero and Relena was more obvious by kissing in one of the official manga which they kissed). So Trowa and Quatre's relationship being more than friends is ambiguous at best although it was strange that those two don't have a specific girl to their own (For Trowa, Catherine was heavily implied, if not outright confirmed to be his sister and he totally lost contact with other girl, Midii Une, who prolly died during the Epsiode 0 manga; For Quatre, he had Dorothy who was more his rival than an actual romantic interest, they more like good friends at the end).

With the case of Getbackers, most of the BL implied stuff occur within the anime canon, not the manga... well not so much. They already have a somewhat official BL pairing and the manga does take some cues of the anime last time I heard, but it can be fanservice.

[Dark Adonis]

If you wouldn't mind could you list some reason's why they are not slash? becouse i don't see a reason why these characters should ever be paired.

Whether I give you my reasoning or not depends on whether you are truly interested in my logic, or you just want to tear what I say down. Because I will not get into a pissing contest over this. If I give you my reasons, I want you to accept that I have my own reasons and not just give me all these lectures about how I am taking things out of context. If you disagree with me, that is your right, but I have a right to my opinions too.

No, all of them (maybe with the exception of Ban and Ginji because their relationship is ambiguous) is slash. They're just popular pairings.

Actually, I DO consider all of these pairings slash. I just think that there is a logical basis within the context of their respective shows for them. I was simply trying to understand what that other poster meant when she said that slash never has anything to back it up. Just because two characters aren't a canon couple doesn't meen that they have no chemistry. And don't lecture me on what happens in Digimon. I have seen everything that happens in the first 2 seasons, so it isn't like I'm not aware of what happens in the show. But I will always be a Taichi x Yamato supporter, and nothing will ever change that. :P

[earsofdoom]

Whether I give you my reasoning or not depends on whether you are truly interested in my logic, or you just want to tear what I say down. Because I will not get into a pissing contest over this. If I give you my reasons, I want you to accept that I have my own reasons and not just give me all these lectures about how I am taking things out of context. If you disagree with me, that is your right, but I have a right to my opinions too.

No one is just going to accept something as fact without questioning it, and peaple should be able to support there arguements. If your reason's are something like "there elbows touched at the table" then yes i believe you are taking thing's WAY out of context.



Just because two characters aren't a canon couple doesn't meen that they have no chemistry.

What most slash fan's call "chemistry" is just friendship warped to suit there belief. also characters are a construct, there is nothing in them that the creaters didn't put in there.

[Dark Adonis]

No one is just going to accept something as fact without questioning it, and peaple should be able to support there arguements.

I couldn't agree more. However, I don't feel that I should have to justify liking a pairing in a fictional universe. And I'm not expecting you to agree with me. I just don't want to be hassled over it. If I give my reasons, I want people to accept that those are my reasons and allow me to have my own opinions based on those reasons. I have nothing against a good debate, but it is undignified to be arguing over whether fictional characters are a couple or not. I would rather be arguing over something that actually matters. I will share my opinions as long as this doesn't become a debate over who is right and who is wrong. If you promise me that you won't try to make me change my mind, I will gladly share my views. You can say that you disagree and even offer a dissenting opinion, but I am not going to tolerate people trying to bully me into thinking like them.

What most slash fan's call "chemistry" is just friendship warped to suit there belief.

It is not unheard of for friendship to blossom into romance. It happens all the time. The fact that two characters are friends is already a basis for slash. It isn't much of a basis, but at least the characters have a positive relationship to start with. Which makes a romance much more likely.

Also characters are a construct, there is nothing in them that the creaters didn't put in there.

I have to disagree with you there. I happen to be someone who creates his own characters and stories. I spend alot of time thinking about the psychology of my characters and why they do what they do. I'm sure that when my stories are released into the world, that alot of the things I have thought of for and about my characters won't make it into the actual story. But that won't mean that they aren't part of my characters. I'm sure that other story tellers feel the same way.

[Animematt55]

It is not unheard of for friendship to blossom into romance. It happens all the time. The fact that two characters are friends is already a basis for slash. It isn't much of a basis, but at least the characters have a positive relationship to start with. Which makes a romance much more likely.



But what about the characters that are slashed together that have no chemistry, and utterly hate each other?

[Dark Adonis]

But what about the characters that are slashed together that have no chemistry, and utterly hate each other?

Than it is just slash with no basis. Not that there is anything wrong with that either. I enjoy that kind of thing myself sometimes. I'm just talking about how there CAN be a basis for slash.

Let me pose a question though for some of the others that contradict me. If two characters of the oposite sex who aren't a canon couple are paired together in fanfiction, does that pretty much equate to slash as well? At least on the grounds of having no basis whatsoever for a relationship? Because it seems that people are talking about slash in specific.

[Animematt55]

If two characters of the oposite sex who aren't a canon couple are paired together in fanfiction, does that pretty much equate to slash as well?

yes it does

[GreatNekoKoneko]

...they made the Dorama of Antique Bakery, er, "Straight-friendly".

[ShanceChance]

I remember a Sailor Moon fanfic being posted on a Livejournal community for bad fanfiction. It was Haruka getting boinked by a Marty-Stu character.

[VidelCoolGirl]

People will put Haruka with (the male version of) Seiya for some reason. That's one I don't get unless the reasoning is "they hate each other so it must be love." :P I've seen Michiru paired off with either Mamoru or RandomGuy, though this is always done badly and without a well thought out reason. Let's face it, Mamoru just isn't a bad guy and Michiru is in love with Haruka to the point of codependency, so some real thought would have to accompany the switch.


Yeah, I've seen more than enough doujin with HarukaxSeiya. One was hilarious, the others are like...smut and scary. To be honest, I could never see Haruka going for Seiya (C'mon now, she HATES the guy. We all love 180 for that right?) And Michiru would die before doing something like that to Haruka. If there was a decent plotline and some actual THOUGHT put into the story, it could make sense. Otherwise, its pure drabble. Although, thats why I read summaries. I usually don't read Mary-Sue fics.

[Yukito Kunisaki]

Yea, see, thats when slash is the worst to me. When the slash is really unbelievable. You cannot slash two people who would never be together, be it you know the person is really straight (Such as Miroku in Inuyasha), or they tend to hold a grudge over the other. (Such as Ichigo and Uryuu in Bleach, though they tend to still get along sometimes.) It is just not believable in any way.

[kaethar]

Er...I wouldn't really put it this way.

I've read lots of fics with Yuki from Gravitation hooking up with Tohma's wife (don't ask me why xD). But Yuki isn't officialy gay (or bi or straight) so of course this is allowed. o_o

It's only the rabid yaoi fangirls who have a problem with putting characters in BL anime together with women.

Just like the rabid fans on the other side of the fence don't like the idea of non-canon malexmale slash pairings.

You'll never get past this immaturity which is found in so many fans. >_>

But yes, I've seen all types of slash and I don't think any of it is wrong. It's just fanon. ^_^

[earsofdoom]

Er...I wouldn't really put it this way.

I've read lots of fics with Yuki from Gravitation hooking up with Tohma's wife (don't ask me why xD). But Yuki isn't officialy gay (or bi or straight) so of course this is allowed. o_o

It's only the rabid yaoi fangirls who have a problem with putting characters in BL anime together with women.

Just like the rabid fans on the other side of the fence don't like the idea of non-canon malexmale slash pairings.

You'll never get past this immaturity which is found in so many fans. >_>

But yes, I've seen all types of slash and I don't think any of it is wrong. It's just fanon. ^_^

I don't think i could disagree with what you say anymore even if i tried, unless those rabid fangirls who have a problem are slashing straight characters left and right while *****ing about those characters being put with woman. Also slashing characters is o so mature. :P

[Soluzar]

In that case, I suppose we can't call a Taichi x Yamato fic, or a Trowa x Quatre fic, or a Ban x Ginji fic slash. None of those characters are technically together, but there are logical reasons for putting them together. In this case, should slash be reserved strictly for pairings such as Inuyasha x Kouga, Ban x Shido, and Heero x Zechs? And since there are also alot of unlikely hetero pairings in fanfiction, what should we call those? Hetslash? As condescending as I'm sure I sound, I'm not actually trying to be offensive. I just want to see where you are comming from here.
That's actually what I am saying, in essense. I'm not sure what I think of any of those pairings that you mentioned, but I don't need to comment on the specifics in order to answer you. My definition of slash is that the pairing is arbitrary. I think there's just as much het-slash as yaoi-slash, and quite a bit of yuri-slash.

If the pairing is non-canon, but reasonably plausible, that's a lot more palatable for me.

[kaethar]

This post confused the hell out of me. ^_^

I don't think i could disagree with what you say anymore even if i tried
Ok. So you disagree with me. I got it so far.

I don't think i could disagree with what you say anymore even if i tried, unless those rabid fangirls who have a problem are slashing straight characters left and right while *****ing about those characters being put with woman.
EH? o_O

*ponders*

I don't think I know what you mean. I'm going to assume that you're referring to the rabid-ness of the malexmale slash fans? What has that got to do with anything?

There are fans of Gravitation who like slashing together malexfemale pairings (involving Yuki and Shuichi).

There are fans of Ouran High School Host Club who like slashing together malexmale pairings (involving Tamaki and Kouya for example).

What's the difference? The ONLY difference is that slashing together malexmale non-canon pairings is more popular. Why? Because more people watch "straight anime." There aren't many non-BL fans who watch Gravitation.

Yes, some slashers of any genre create crack pairings. And some slashers don't believe in canon pairings. And this is more common in the malexmale slash fandom because it's bigger.

But what's the problem? Don't blame the entire fanbase because of the actions of a loud minority. And let people like what they want.

Also slashing characters is o so mature. :P
Slashing characters has nothing whatsoever to do with maturity. o_O

[earsofdoom]

I don't think I know what you mean. I'm going to assume that you're referring to the rabid-ness of the malexmale slash fans? What has that got to do with anything?

What i meant was that if those fangirls were say.... slashing Ed and Roy to ribbons and then found a fanfic about one of there yaoi characters being slashed with a girl and then had a spaz attack. If that were the case i would agree with at least that part of what you said.

[Dark Adonis]

Er...I wouldn't really put it this way.

I've read lots of fics with Yuki from Gravitation hooking up with Tohma's wife (don't ask me why xD). But Yuki isn't officialy gay (or bi or straight) so of course this is allowed. o_o

It's only the rabid yaoi fangirls who have a problem with putting characters in BL anime together with women.

Just like the rabid fans on the other side of the fence don't like the idea of non-canon malexmale slash pairings.

You'll never get past this immaturity which is found in so many fans. >_>

But yes, I've seen all types of slash and I don't think any of it is wrong. It's just fanon. ^_^

You have pretty much summed up why I don't want to get into a debate over pairings. I pretty much think that anyone should be able to support the pairing they want without having to justify it. Whether they want to make "straight" characters gay, or "gay" characters straight. It's just people faving fun with fandom. Nothing wrong with that.

I don't think i could disagree with what you say anymore even if i tried, unless those rabid fangirls who have a problem are slashing straight characters left and right while *****ing about those characters being put with woman. Also slashing characters is o so mature. :P

For someone who seems to dislike yaoi and slash so much, you sure post alot in this section of the forums. What is up with that? :blink:

That's actually what I am saying, in essense. I'm not sure what I think of any of those pairings that you mentioned, but I don't need to comment on the specifics in order to answer you. My definition of slash is that the pairing is arbitrary. I think there's just as much het-slash as yaoi-slash, and quite a bit of yuri-slash.

If the pairing is non-canon, but reasonably plausible, that's a lot more palatable for me.

Thank you. I think I pretty much understand your perspective now. I can't really say I agree with your definition of slash, but what does that really matter anyhow?

Actually though, I sometimes like to read fanfics that fall under your definition of slash. I think it is interesting to read a well-written story that pairs up two unlikely people and manages to keep them in character. Of course, good fics like that are in about the 0.001% range. But they are gems when you can manage to find one.

[kaethar]

What i meant was that if those fangirls were say.... slashing Ed and Roy to ribbons and then found a fanfic about one of there yaoi characters being slashed with a girl and then had a spaz attack. If that were the case i would agree with at least that part of what you said.
Well, yeah...the example you just gave would be of a rabid yaoi fan. o_o Of course it's not good to be one of those. They act irrationally. -_-

But they really are a minority. A very loud minority but still a minority. At least from what I've seen having spoken to many BL/yaoi fans. ^_^

You have pretty much summed up why I don't want to get into a debate over pairings. I pretty much think that anyone should be able to support the pairing they want without having to justify it. Whether they want to make "straight" characters gay, or "gay" characters straight. It's just people faving fun with fandom. Nothing wrong with that.
Exactly. :)

I, myself, don't understand all crack pairings (and no, I don't believe all slash pairings are crack pairings). I'm a slash fan myself (of slashing with any genders).

But I don't really care too much when people create an odd slash pairing. If someone wants to ship Itachi and Kakashi I don't really care. It's an impossible pairing but hey, whatever works for them. :D

As long as they don't preach the pairing or claim that it's canon. But only rabid fans do this. And it's a pity that all slash fans are placed in this category. :(

[earsofdoom]

For someone who seems to dislike yaoi and slash so much, you sure post alot in this section of the forums. What is up with that? :blink:


I wasn't aware that the only thing your allowed to say on this sub forum is "OMG love it!" i kinda figured it was for well you know..... discussion. also were is this yaoi/slash section you speak of? If its one thing i hate more then slash its personnal attacks.

Anyways i might as well explain why i dislike varying levels of slash so much since peaple seem intent on pestering me:

Bad Slash: Pairing a copywrited character with someone they have no romantic interest in which is OOC.
Oriantation warping slash: Pairing a copywrited character with someone they have no romantic interest in which is OOC, also changing there sexuality which is more OOC, doing the exact same thing to the other character which is even MORE OOC.
Super Duper Bad slash: A slash fanfic that is so badly written that you would swear the character's and story itself went through a meat grinder. basically the only thing that is the same as the original story is the characters names.

Besides i belief making original stories as a writer rather then copy and pasteing copywrited fictional characters in your writing's.

EDIT: I just relized.... im the creator of this topic, who necro'd this old thing?

[kaethar]

O_O


Bad Slash: Pairing a copywrited character with someone they have no romantic interest in which is OOC.
I hate stories where characters are OOC. But a non-canon pairing does not have to be OOC!

How could you possibly know the romantic interests of a character? :/ Besides, an anime never shows us everything that happens and everything a character is feeling. It's perfectly possibly to write good fanfiction without it becoming out of character.

So I'm guessing that you believe NaruHina and SasuSaku are blasphemy too then? They're also, after all, non-canon slash. The idea of such pairings, according to you, would make them out of character. :/

I never understand this argument. o_O

Oriantation warping slash: Pairing a copywrited character with someone they have no romantic interest in which is OOC, also changing there sexuality which is more OOC, doing the exact same thing to the other character which is even MORE OOC.
Oh, -_-
You're one of these people. :(

Anime characters have no default sexuality. Although I read somewhere that anime characters are actually bisexual by default. :/ But they are certainly not straight by default.

A character's sexuality is unknown and is only known to the author (if they've actually given it some thought). What do you mean by "changing their sexuality?" Let's say a girl shows romantic interest in a boy in an anime. Does this mean she's straight? No, she could very well be bisexual and show romantic interest in a girl. o_O

And "showing sexuality" which isn't shown in the anime is not out of character. Since when does sexuality affect one's character? o_o


Super Duper Bad slash: A slash fanfic that is so badly written that you would swear the character's and story itself went through a meat grinder. basically the only thing that is the same as the original story is the characters names.
Well, yes. And there is much badly written fanfiction out there. But writing fanfiction with non-canon pairings with alternative romantic interests does not make it OOC.

Besides i belief making original stories as a writer rather then copy and pasteing copywrited fictional characters in your writing's.
And you can stick to that. It works for you. But some people love reading and writing fanfiction and thinking of "What if?" situations for all the characters.

I see (well-written) fanfiction as a tribute to the creator. You love their characters and want them to live on. :)

But I've bumped into fanfiction haters before. And there's not much to discuss really. o_o We simply disagree. And I'll respect your opinion on this. :P

[Dark Adonis]

I wasn't aware that the only thing your allowed to say on this sub forum is "OMG love it!"

If you have read most of the other posts, I think you would realize that the majority of us are a good deal more articulate than that. And we happen to have very good discusions on aarinfantasy which is a forum largely dedicated to yaoi. But we generally respect each other there, so I think that is why we can be more civil when we disagree on something.

i kinda figured it was for well you know..... discussion. also were is this yaoi/slash section you speak of?

I believe it is the Yaoi/Yuri section of this site that this thread is occupying. ^_^

If its one thing i hate more then slash its personnal attacks.

It seems to me that you are often the instigator of personal attacks yourself. You go into this forum section and rag on slash. Of course there are going to be people who will take objection to that! And you are often the one who starts out quoting other people's posts in order to contradict them. But when people do it to you, that makes them mean or somthing? Be an example yourself before you start judging others. And comming into the yaoi section to diss it is like going to mass at a church that doesn't share your beliefs so that you can push your religion on them. You just plain don't do that. And if you feel the need to offer a dissenting opinion, do it in a way that isn't insulting. Saying 99.99% of slash fics don't make sense (or however you worded it) is like begging for a fight.

Anyways i might as well explain why i dislike varying levels of slash so much since peaple seem intent on pestering me:

Actually, I don't really give a flip about why you don't like slash. I just would like to know why the issue is so important to you that you feel the need to bring it up. How has slash harmed you in any way? What about it offends your sensibilities? There are tons of fics with themes that I have no interest in whatsoever. But I don't feel the need to preach to the world that it's crap. And I don't feel the need to make anyone else feel the same way as me.

Bad Slash: Pairing a copywrited character with someone they have no romantic interest in which is OOC.
Oriantation warping slash: Pairing a copywrited character with someone they have no romantic interest in which is OOC, also changing there sexuality which is more OOC, doing the exact same thing to the other character which is even MORE OOC.

Why would the sexual orientation of a fictional character matter so much to you anyway?

Super Duper Bad slash: A slash fanfic that is so badly written that you would swear the character's and story itself went through a meat grinder. basically the only thing that is the same as the original story is the characters names.

That could be said of any fanfic that is badly written.

Besides i belief making original stories as a writer rather then copy and pasteing copywrited fictional characters in your writing's.

So in other words, you just hate fanfics in general. Why not start a thread about that then? Why focus on slash in specific?

EDIT: I just relized.... im the creator of this topic, who necro'd this old thing?

Yeah, I guess we are pretty off topic aren't we? :lol: At any rate, I'm willing to live and let live if you are. But if you just wanna keep debating, then bring it on, buddy!

[DazzleKitty]

It seems to me that you are often the instigator of personal attacks yourself. You go into this forum section and rag on slash. Of course there are going to be people who will take objection to that! And you are often the one who starts out quoting other people's posts in order to contradict them. But when people do it to you, that makes them mean or somthing? Be an example yourself before you start judging others. And comming into the yaoi section to diss it is like going to mass at a church that doesn't share your beliefs so that you can push your religion on them. You just plain don't do that. And if you feel the need to offer a dissenting opinion, do it in a way that isn't insulting. Saying 99.99% of slash fics don't make sense (or however you worded it) is like begging for a fight.


I am going to have to say I agree with you 110% on this. I haven't been brave enough to say this myself but I am glad you did. He spends more time posting in the yaoi section of the forum to contradict yaoi fans and nitpick at them rather than discussing what he likes - yuri. Sometimes I feel as though he only comes here to just to pick at the yaoi fans.
What has slash done to you, ears? You act as if it's existance is so torturous to you. You can simply ignore it and NOT read the slash fanfics. But instead, you choose to come here and ***** about it. Why? I mean, I don't like certain things in the fandom, but I don't go to a certain subforum dedicated to the topic just to nitpick and instigate little flamewars.

Yep, I'll probably get in trouble for this post. Oh well.

[Animematt55]

Last tiem I checked, disliking slash, and discussing that dislike on the intertubes, is NOT a personal attack.
A personal attack woul dbe "Hey Adonis, you are stupid cause you like this pairing"
I have not heard anyone say anything like that.
Come on people, have some thicker skin.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Last tiem I checked, disliking slash, and discussing that dislike on the intertubes, is NOT a personal attack.
A personal attack woul dbe "Hey Adonis, you are stupid cause you like this pairing"
I have not heard anyone say anything like that.
Come on people, have some thicker skin.

This thread was reported by an uninvolved party for "Homophobia" and going off topic, at least get it back on topic.

This should also be a reminder to posters do not report a thread because you do not like someone, if I catch you doing it more than once you will be smote accordingly.

[Dark Adonis]

Last tiem I checked, disliking slash, and discussing that dislike on the intertubes, is NOT a personal attack.
A personal attack woul dbe "Hey Adonis, you are stupid cause you like this pairing"
I have not heard anyone say anything like that.
Come on people, have some thicker skin.

Hmm. I DO seem to remember him making a rather sarcastic comment where he said, "Oh yeah, slash is sooo mature!" Last time I looked, being refered to as immature wasn't exactly flattering. Has that changed recently? At any rate, he was accusing me of personal attacks when I don't think that anything I said was worse than what he said. I was merely pointing that out. And you are giving him WAY too much credit if you think that he is getting under my skin. In all honesty, I'm having pretty damn good time with our little rivalry. :P

[Dark Adonis]

It seems that we have been sent a warning before I even got done with my last post. Honestly, it was getting a little ugly. So I'm just going to drop the whole thing. If you feel the need to continue this squabble, please PM me rather than subjecting those who visit the forums to this unsightly display.

[earsofdoom]

This thread was reported by an uninvolved party for "Homophobia".

:lol: Seriously? wow i knew peaple played the homophobe card on this forum but this is the first time i've heard someone actually reporting peaple with it. its worse then the race card becouse everyone can play it.


Yeah, I guess we are pretty off topic aren't we? :lol: At any rate, I'm willing to live and let live if you are. But if you just wanna keep debating, then bring it on, buddy!

I'll agree, but i did have one last thing to point out. how many peaple on this forum are straight? how many peaple on this sub forum are straight? chance's are around 85-90 percent for both probably higher on this sub forum becouse i have only ever meet 3 homo-sexuals on this sub forum and 2 don't post here anymore. this is why i don't see the point in assuming all anime characters could be homo-sexual, it would be like me speaking chinese to everyone i meet becouse some of the population around were i live is chinese. If you'd like to respond to it feel free to pm.

I am going to have to say I agree with you 110% on this. I haven't been brave enough to say this myself but I am glad you did. He spends more time posting in the yaoi section of the forum to contradict yaoi fans and nitpick at them rather than discussing what he likes - yuri. Sometimes I feel as though he only comes here to just to pick at the yaoi fans.

Ah so thats your style, I knew you liked to do things subtley since your poisen laced post's in other topics and your supporting typhoonblue's redicoulous rants in much the same manner (im just glad she got banned when she did). also nice to see you manipulating my words of dislikeing slash and makeing them yaoi exclusive your definately good at it.


but I don't go to a certain subforum dedicated to the topic just to nitpick and instigate little flamewars.

Yep, I'll probably get in trouble for this post. Oh well.

Actually you do my dear, I have seen you bicker in countless topics in the anime specific and off-topic forum about sexuality issues, slash, and your hatred for peaple who dislike yaoi over....and over.....and over again at the slightest mention. as for nitpicking little flamewars you should look at all the locked topics on this forum and see just who's doing the instigating and got them locked. ^_^

Anyways i said what i had to say about this topic almost a year ago but for some reason all the topics in this forum get necro'd and locked. If peaple continue to bicker and such ill just delete this the first post i see thats not on topic.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Enough already!

The only thing wrong with this thread is the fact people keep taking jabs at each other. I am already pissed about having to read this thread which is about as interesting to me as listening to a tape of Ben Stein reading the phone book. As a general rule

1. If you do not like having your opinions criticized do not put them on an open forum.

2. If you can't objectively post on something without getting personal or throwing little jabs at people because they don't conform to your "enlightened" views don't post.

3. If you can't follow those first two modest proposals you will be served ala Jonathan Swift. Stop it now.