Strongest Captain(or ex-captain)?

[cloudclone001]

Other than 1st squad captain who is the strongest captain in other words who would kick the most @ss.including Isshin Kurosaki, Kisuke Urahara, and Yoruichi Shiouin as ex-capitains or captain class

Since so many people are b**ching and complaining about this, for those who have not read or seen all Bleach manga or episodes dont read this or comment

[Chef Wun]

As Captain class - Ichigo because he's the main character and even if he loses he'll get some new level of power and come back and win.

Actual Captain - Kenpachi - Nuff' said

[ryushe]

Kenpachi. He basically beat two captains in their Bankai level. I ain't see another captain do that...Oh I guess the old geezer to. But he doesn't count, Everyone knows in anime the old owns everything.

[HitokiriShadow]

In terms of raw strength, its Kenpachi. Well, I guess it could be Genryusei though. Afterall, he is the supreme commander and he took on two Captains (with their Bankais) simultaneously. But we really didn't see what he was capable of or what the other two are capable of.

And then, of course, there are Gin and Aizen. We never saw either of them even break a sweat in the SS arc, let alone use their bankai.

I'm going with Kenpachi since there is too much unknown about the others.



Oh, and spoil tag that first post, especially the one that those of us that aren't reading the manga scans shouldn't know about. Sadly, I've already been spoiled on that before since too many dumb***es don't know how or when to use spoiler tags.

[lil'dragon]

Kenpachi's uber strong and all, but definitely not the strongest. Byakuya is obviously stronger than him since Ichigo had to use bankai to beat him. It wouldn't surprise me if Ukitake, Shunsui, Urahara, and Yoruichi are stronger than him too. Although, since he still has yet to access the power of his soul slayer, I'd say he's potentially the strongest, but until then...no.

Anyway, I'd say the strongest (besides Yamamoto) would be Aizen.

[HitokiriShadow]

Again, there is a difference between pure strength and spirit power, and ones overall combat capabilites.

In pure strength and spirit power, Kenpachi is probably the strongest with the possible exception of Genryusei (I think Old Gen could probably outdo Kenpachi in raw spirit power).

Yes, Ichigo had to use bankai to defeat Byakuya, but Byakuya was using more than raw strength and spirit power. The other people you mentioned also used a lot of things aside from raw power. Also, I don't think they could take the punishment Kenpachi takes.

As for Mr. Major Spoiler, again, due to his abilities, its impossible to really say what his raw strength is. But his ability impossible to counter unless you are Blind,, but you'll still have other issues then.

[SDAnimeFan]

I vote for Kenpachi

[Pavan]

Kenpachi. He doesnt even have shikai and he still beat 2 bankais. Doesnt get stronger than that. Unless you count ichigo because ofcoarse being the main character he can beat everyone else and will eventually beat all the bad guys with some new strength he will somehow develope.

[lil'dragon]

Again, there is a difference between pure strength and spirit power, and ones overall combat capabilites. So now the term "strongest" means who has the biggest reiatsu instead of overall capabilities? So why the heck did Kira get so many votes in the VC thread instead of Renji? :rolleyes: But even in that context, I still say at least Byakuya and Aizen are superior.


In pure strength and spirit power, Kenpachi is probably the strongest with the possible exception of Genryusei (I think Old Gen could probably outdo Kenpachi in raw spirit power). Yes, Ichigo had to use bankai to defeat Byakuya, but Byakuya was using more than raw strength and spirit power. First of all, I have no doubt that Gen's reiatsu > all other shinigami (not including Vaizards) with the possible exception of Aizen. But the first post said that he was to be excluded so...

And you're right about Byakuya, he definitely has more than just his raw reiatsu going for him. But I think even his raw reiatsu at full power > Kenpachi's, and here's why:

Ichigo's raw full power at shikai = to Kenpachi's full power (without the eyepatch). However, shikai Ichigo couldn't withstand Byakuya's first level Bankai (even though shikai Ichigo seemed to be even stronger than when he fought Kenpachi btw). If shikai Ichigo's pure reiatsu (likely even higher than Zaraki's at that point) was that much greater than Byakuya's, he shouldn't have taken so much damage from Byakuya's bankai since a much weaker reiatsu can't penetrate a stronger one, as Zaraki explained during his fight with Ichigo. Add to that the fact that Bankai increases a deathgod's reiatsu several times over, and yet bankai Ichigo's power was only about even with bankai Byakuya's (the keyword word there is power, not speed).

However, it should be noted that unlike Zaraki, Byakuya's reiatsu is highly intuned with his zanpakuto. I'm convinced Zaraki's own spirit power would be greater than any of the other captain's if they didn't sync so well with their zanpakuto's. So if by the term "raw spirit power" you mean power without the aid of a zanpakuto, I'd agree that Zaraki has the greatest. But the thing is, a zanpakuto is a natrual part of a shinigami's own strength. A shinigami fighting out of sync with his zanpakuto is like a person fighting using only their fists, instead of also using their feet, knees, elbows, etc. So I consider a shinigami's reiatsu combined with his zanpakuto's power to still be his own raw strength.

Since Zaraki didn't believe in fighting together with his zanpakuto, he's actually been using only a portion of his full potential strength. When Ichigo learned to harmonize with Zangetsu, his power increased dramatically. This is why I think Zaraki is potentially the strongest since he's already as strong as he is without being intuned with his zanpakuto. But until he learns to use his zanpakuto properly, he isn't the strongest. Byakuya and Aizen at the least are definitely stronger than him. Not only do they have stronger reiatsu's, but as you said they have even more in their arsenal than just that (shunpo, kido, more intelligence, etc.), unlike Zaraki. They're more formidible in almost every aspect, except maybe the following...

Also, I don't think they could take the punishment Kenpachi takes. I agree, but that's more due to his battle crazed mentality than his actual strength. Byakuya and Aizen could still beat him, they'd just have to inflict more damage than usual.

As for Mr. Major Spoiler, again, due to his abilities, its impossible to really say what his raw strength is. But his ability impossible to counter unless you are Blind,, but you'll still have other issues then. Well, seeing him block Tensa Zangetsu as if it were a toy sure gave me a good impression of what his raw strength is.

And in conclusion, I have to point out to everyone that Zaraki only beat one bankai, not two. I wish people would quit twisting the facts on this. And even if he did, that would only prove he's stronger than those two captains, not the whole lot.

[gameoffreak8]

Kenpachi, of course. But I have to said Genryusei since he's the supreme commander and he took on two Captains. We witness his Shikai so far. We haven't see his Bankai yet.

And in conclusion, I have to point out that Zaraki only beat one bankai, not two.
Indeed.
Zaraki beat Tosen's bankai then fight against Komamura with his bankai but the battle is halt since Komamura went to Genryusei.

In terms of raw strength, its Kenpachi. Well, I guess it could be Genryusei though. Afterall, he is the supreme commander and he took on two Captains (with their Bankais) simultaneously. But we really didn't see what he was capable of or what the other two are capable of.


Actually, it's Shikai, not Bankai.

[blackknight]

Apparently Aizen is, due to the fact that he easily defeated several captains and captain level people without unleashing his bankai. Unless, of course, the illusion thing is his bankai.

[HitokiriShadow]

^Sooiler tag that. That's an enormous spoiler for anyone watching this on adult swim or only reading the Viz manga.


Actually, it's Shikai, not Bankai.

Ah, yeah, you're right.

SS Arc spoiler
Well, seeing him block Tensa Zangetsu as if it were a toy sure gave me a good impression of what his raw strength is.

I agree. At this point, he seems to be on a completely different level than everyone else. But his other abilities, the fact that Ichigo just finished a big battle, and several other factors make it a difficult to judge.

[Lord Timaeus]

Yes, Aizen's powerful, and his zanpakuto's ability is about the cheapest in Bleach. But before you overrate Aizen's strength, a few things should be noted:

-Many of the people he fought at the time of his betrayal were not in their best shape due to previous battles, thus were not fighting at their full strength.
-He was unwilling to engage in direct combat with Unohana, although whether this is due to her apparent strength is unknown.
-Although he used a high level kidou spell on Komamura without an incantation, he notes that he found much difficulty in controlling it.

Of course, we only scratched the surface of Aizen's power, and he may have gotten even stronger since he left Soul Society. But until we see Aizen display such power, we can't assume him to be godmodding.

[HitokiriShadow]

Yeah, plus consider that he tried to kill two people but only severly injured them.

These kinds of things are why I consider him a big variable in terms of strength and combat abilities, just like any of the captain's who's bankai haven't been seen or haven't really been seen in combat.

But if you assume he actually did block it with just his finger, and didn't use his illusion abilities to give the impression that he was more powerful than he actually was, that suggests that he is pretty powerful even if Ichigo was in a weakened state.

[ryushe]

Why is Aizen in so many Spoilers?

We all forgot about the hidden potential of Urahara and wasn't Ichigo's Dad a former captain?

[HitokiriShadow]

He's in spoilers for people who decide to view this before finishing the SS arc. They really shouldn't be viewing this thread if they haven't finished it yet, but some people may choose to anyway and its a saftey precaution for them.

But there is also the issue of manga spoilers, which definitely need to be tagged. But mixing them in with SS arc spoilers and not marking them as being for manga material beyond the SS arc is problem since some people may think it is okay to view because the finished the SS arc in the anime and then they suddenly find out something big.

Normally, this kind of thing should be addressed in the opening post of a thread, but cloudclone001 decided to just flat out state spoilers for both including a big manga one. I've already been spoiled on that one precisely because people are stupid (or just inconsiderate of others) and don't use spoiler tags.

Putting the Aizen stuff in spoiler tags is my fault really, but this kind of thing needs to be addressed in the opening post. And manga spoilers unquestionably need to be tagged since this there are probably a good number of people that aren't reading the scans and the anime is the farthest they've seen (such as myself) and the thread title sounds like it just covers the SS arc.

[gameoffreak8]

Why is Aizen in so many Spoilers?

That's because they think he's good guy. Later, he isn't good captain as they witness his true motive.


We all forgot about the hidden potential of Urahara and wasn't Ichigo's Dad a former captain?


If you didn't reading latest manga then don't read on this spoiler.
Yes, Ichigo's father is a former captain, however, we was not sure which division he was in or he's more possibly former royal member. Some captains should know about his father since Ichigo and his father have same last name but they said nothing so it's safe to said they didn't meet him. Oh, Urahara knew him.

[Lord Timaeus]

We all forgot about the hidden potential of Urahara and wasn't Ichigo's Dad a former captain?

True, but as far as the manga goes, we still have no idea exactly how powerful they are. Urahara himself gave us a crucial hint about his bankai, which either suggests that it's not meant for combat or it's too bloody (no pun intended) cheap. As for Isshin, we only saw him in combat once against Grand Fisher, and he didn't even release his zanpakuto.

[ryushe]

True, but as far as the manga goes, we still have no idea exactly how powerful they are. Urahara himself gave us a crucial hint about his bankai, which either suggests that it's not meant for combat or it's too bloody (no pun intended) cheap. As for Isshin, we only saw him in combat once against Grand Fisher, and he didn't even release his zanpakuto.

Well, I don't know about Urahara. It's just and instinct that tells me he's strong. Also, as you said Isshin didn't even release his zanpakuto against that Hollow/Arrancar, You can safely assume hes a bad ***.

Kinda of topic, But did anyone else think Isshin being a Shinagami as being a little cheap?

[gameoffreak8]

Ahh. Lord Kuro have more knowledge on Bleach than me. :P

[crow-kun]

Kinda of topic, But did anyone else think Isshin being a Shinagami as being a little cheap?Not as cheap as Rukia being able to kill a arrancar in one hit

[lil'dragon]

^ Nah, that wasn't cheap.
Now Ikkaku suddenly having bankai was cheap as dirt IMO. And Isshin being a former captain is cool as hell.


Yes, Aizen's powerful, and his zanpakuto's ability is about the cheapest in Bleach. But before you overrate Aizen's strength, a few things should be noted:

-Many of the people he fought at the time of his betrayal were not in their best shape due to previous battles, thus were not fighting at their full strength.
-He was unwilling to engage in direct combat with Unohana, although whether this is due to her apparent strength is unknown.
-Although he used a high level kidou spell on Komamura without an incantation, he notes that he found much difficulty in controlling it.

Of course, we only scratched the surface of Aizen's power, and he may have gotten even stronger since he left Soul Society. But until we see Aizen display such power, we can't assume him to be godmodding.

I know alot of people hate on Aizen cuz his zanpakuto's cheap, and I agree it is, but I still think he deverves respect as a major bad*** because that's not all he relies on. He implied that he's pretty much mastered every form of shinigami combat to the limit, and seeing him jack up a bankai captain so badly from half speaking a high level spell among other feats convinces me that he really has. His zanpakuto's ability just makes him even more deadly. I don't think he's the one who's strength is being overrated in this thread.

[crow-kun]

^ Nah, that wasn't cheap.
Now Ikkaku suddenly having bankai was cheap as dirt IMO.What that wasn't cheap at all!!! Where was this power when she was attacked by the first hollow. And now she can just kill a Arrancar come on.

[lil'dragon]

What that wasn't cheap at all!!! Where was this power when she was attacked by the first hollow. And now she can just kill a Arrancar come on.
I see your point, but you gotta consider that Ichigo got in her way and she had to hurry up and save him. The hollow was right on him, and she didn't have the time to release her soul slayer. She could've killed that hollow easily without even releasing actually, just like she did that one in the streets. Also, Ichigo did gain quite a bit of power from her...

Also, that arranacar was obviously the small fry of the group. He was actin' all stupid, unimportant, and uh....smallfryish. I mean, if she started whuppin' on Grimjaw or somethin' I'd agree with you. Plus consider the fact that a shinigami can easily kill the average hollow without releasing, so Rukia, being as strong as a seated officer, killing a smallfry arranacar after releasing isn't really that outrageous.

Now as for Ikkaku, I like him and all, but that was just bull. He supposedly goes into an all out battle with Ichigo in soul society and now suddenly..."Hey, I've actually been strong enough to be a freakin' captain all this time! I just didn't want anyone else to know." Gimme a f***n' break! Kubo obviously just pulled that one out of his ***.

[ryushe]

Yeah and Ichigo reaching Bankai in three days was a whole lot better, when it takes a normal captain 10 years to do so. :rolleyes:

[lil'dragon]

Yeah and Ichigo reaching Bankai in three days was a whole lot better, when it takes a normal captain 10 years to do so. :rolleyes:

Oh please, not this again. First of all, Ichigio is a different creature from a shinigami, so comparing him to the limitations of a normal captain is pointless since his potential is far beyond that of a captain anyway. Plus he used a special method designed to help him acheive it in that time (quite a risky one at that) and was actually shown workin' his butt off to get it. So yeah, I say it was a whole lot better. And if you wanna get on his case about it, may as well get on Urahara's too since he did the exact same thing.

[blackknight]

Now as for Ikkaku, I like him and all, but that was just bull. He supposedly goes into an all out battle with Ichigo in soul society and now suddenly..."Hey, I've actually been strong enough to be a freakin' captain all this time! I just didn't want anyone else to know." Gimme a f***n' break! Kubo obviously just pulled that one out of his ***.
On the other hand, the members of the 11th Unit are forbidden to fully release thier zanpakatous unless it is a life or death situation, and even then you'd better have a damn good reason, otherwise Kenpachi will rip you a new one. At the time Ichigo encountered Ikkaku he was far weaker then he became by the end of SS, not to mention how strong he's become since defeating his inner Hollow and becoming a Vaizard. Ikkaku, sensing this lack of power, felt he could win the battle without going truly all-out, with the end result of being beaten. Thus I find that it is theoretically possible that Ikkaku could have had bankai.

[max_powers]

Kenpachi. He doesnt even have shikai and he still beat 2 bankais.
Actually, he does. It was mentioned that just like Ichigo, Kenpachi's tremendous reiatsu results in his zanpaktou being in shikai mode at all times.

[Talon]

If Kenpachi were to reach bankai he would be unstoppable. Without bankai he is still probably the strongest captian-level shinigami in soul society.Ichigo's dad and Urahara are obviously much stronger though.

[SMiLEYY]

If Kenpachi were to reach bankai he would be unstoppable.

I totally agree.
He just uses his physical strength.

[Lord Timaeus]

I have a question regarding Kenpachi, and it's been bothering me for quite some time: if Kenpachi doesn't know the name of his zanpakutou, then how is it in shikai to begin with?

[HitokiriShadow]

I think it was automatically in Shikai because of his enormous spirit power.

[Lord Timaeus]

Then assuming Ichigo is equal to Kenpachi in terms of strength, shouldn't Ichigo's zanpakutou have been automatically in shikai as well? Of course, Ichigo and Kenpachi aren't necessarily equal, but it's still a thought.

[Talon]

Then assuming Ichigo is equal to Kenpachi in terms of strength, shouldn't Ichigo's zanpakutou have been automatically in shikai as well? Of course, Ichigo and Kenpachi aren't necessarily equal, but it's still a thought.
I think Ichigo's zanpakuto had always been in shikai. It only changed shape because Ichigo learned how to become a shinigami on his own as apposed to borrowing shinigami status from Rukia IMO.

[crow-kun]

I have a question regarding Kenpachi, and it's been bothering me for quite some time: if Kenpachi doesn't know the name of his zanpakutou, then how is it in shikai to begin with?It's not in shikai.

[HitokiriShadow]

He said it was always unsealed (shikai) because of his massive spiritual power.

[Naster]

umm..

obviously aizen.. at this point in the manga he controls every powerful person.. who at this point can stand up to ichigo in his bankai + hollow form (not to mention beat the living crap out of captains). so yeah, they wouldn't be following him unless he was super uber strong.

[crow-kun]

He said it was always unsealed (shikai) because of his massive spiritual power.I'm positive that not what he said. I'll look for it, but Kenpachi said something like he didn't bother trying to learn its name or unsealing because he is a firm believer of a person using their own strength instead of relying on their sword. Ichigo was just a special case.

[Naster]

I'm positive that not what he said. I'll look for it, but Kenpachi said something like he didn't bother trying to learn its name or unsealing because he is a firm believer of a person using their own strength instead of relying on their sword. Ichigo was just a special case.

that is what he said in the manga.. i am pretty sure what they are talking about occured in the anime.

[HitokiriShadow]

^It should be the same thing, more or less. He didn't bother to learn the name, that's true, but he also said that his sword was always unsealed, it couldn't be sealed, because of his massive spirit power.

[Chef Wun]

Well it is a rather crappy Shikai then, it doesn'y have any ability and it's not a direct attack (other than the jagged edge that hurts more if it cuts you).


Personally I never thought it was actually a real Zanpakutou, in the flashbacks Kenpachi has always had that sword even before he became a Shinigami, if everyone can have a Zanpakutou from the start why do the trainees have the crappy asuauchi ones?

Kenpachi's fighting is really just hit them with sheer strength and Reiatsu power, Ichigo can't actualy compenste for thta much power but he makes up for by being able to do other techniques such as Getsuga Tenshou and Bankai and his new "Hollow mode"

[blackknight]

Personally I never thought it was actually a real Zanpakutou, in the flashbacks Kenpachi has always had that sword even before he became a Shinigami, if everyone can have a Zanpakutou from the start why do the trainees have the crappy asuauchi ones?
And yet a zanpakutou is formed by the wielders riatsu. Seems to me that Kenpachi's riatsu is so high that it created his zanpakutou before he was even a shinigami.

Kenpachi's zanpakutou is always in shikai, as is Ichigo's. You will note that just because it apparently has no abilities means nothing, because neither did Zangetsu before Ichigo learned its name and became its "friend". Kenpachi still has not even learned his zanpakutou's name, so imagine how it will be when he does.

[cloudclone001]

Isshin Kurosaki, or Kisuke Urahara

[Cow]

Kenpachi. He basically beat two captains in their Bankai level. I ain't see another captain do that...Oh I guess the old geezer to. But he doesn't count, Everyone knows in anime the old owns everything.

Kenpachi, laugh; he beat a blind pacifist and a rodent.


Beyond major spoilers to the anime / manga


I think that if Kuchiki Byakuya used his second stage of his bankai against ichigo he could of killed him (i.e. used all his swords at once).

My favorite, and my hope of becoming the most powerful is Hitsugaya Toushirou, since he is an reincarnation of the guardian -- who we still dont know a lot about.

But arguably,

Aizen far surpasses them all, with the exception of Yamamoto Genryuusai, considering his reiatsu can bring a vice captain to his knees and he possess the most powerful fire type soul slayer, the Ryujinjakka (Flowing Flame Blade)

[Dj_Saito]

Im not going to break this down into raw strength versus spirit powers. I vote for kenpachi because his sadistic love for battle causes him to fight harder. I really would love to see the old guy fight at full strength.

[Cow]

Kuchiki Byakuya can kick Kenpachis *** any day and that was proven by Ichigo beating him without a ****ing bankai, hes weak.

[Ejinathan]

Everyone knows Aizen is da most powerfull one, but after him comes Byakuya.
i sense more tactics in Byakuya's move and Ichigo cheats with that holow stuff. That hollow stuff is something like Aizen with his finger lol:D.

Even if i know Kempachi is amazing i still vote for Byakuya. Pro's are always silent :D.

[Kyouraku317]

I am not sure about how powerful Kenpachi would be if he achieved bankai but I do think that Byakuya is more powerful than him at this point because of the fact a bankai increases the power of the user 5-10 times their normal strength and ichigo beat kenpachi at shikai but had to use his bankai to fight byakuya.

However I also don't believe that Byakuya is the second or third strongest captain besides Aizen or Yamamoto. I would think that Kyoraku Shunsui and Jushiro Ukitake are above Byakuya because they were the FIRST captains to graduate from the academy and Yamamoto himself said that they possessed "greater powers on the battlefield than any younger generation, or old," and he, the captain-commander, personally trained them. Also, people keep saying that Yamamoto fought them both on bankai, but they had only used their shikai( Sogyo no Kotowari; Katen Kyokutsu) both of which are the ONLY double sword zanpakutos in all Soul Society.Their having double sword zanpakutos may hint at how powerful they really are. They actually never showed how powerful they really are(in the anime) and that may be because they might be the most powerful captains besides Yamamoto.

But what I really want to see is how powerful are Isshin Kurosaki and Kisuke Urahara. Since Urahara created the Hogyoku and since according to Aizen you have to have twice the reiatsu of a normal captain to use it, I wonder just how powerful Urahara is...

[goddessofanime]

Im interested in that too.

I'm starting to like Kenpachi; he and Yachiru are just too cute together, especially after last night's episode.

[Hara!]

Captain America > all.

[Raider363]

Well Kenpachi is the strongest because he doesnt even have a bankai yet is still a captain...However, Aizen is the most powerful, because he can make people think anything he wants.

[Kyouraku317]

yeah that may very well be true. I hope they actually show him getting his bankai. Zaraki with a bankai(5-10 times reiatsu) would be on a totally different scale.

Also since Aizen was apparently at shikai when he beat all those other captains who were on bankai, I wonder how extensive his reiatsu is...

[emotoaster]

In terms of raw strength, its Kenpachi. Well, I guess it could be Genryusei though. Afterall, he is the supreme commander and he took on two Captains (with their Bankais) simultaneously.

If I remeber correctly all three of them where in their Shikai form.

I'm will Kenpachi, but I'm really interested in seeing everyone else's bankai. Until then I don't think we can safely judge.

[Hara!]

I still say Captain America

...May he rest in peace...

[Caster13]

funny, i thought Yamamoto just used shikai. but yea, Urahara being able to handle the Hogyoku makes him on a similar playing field with Aizen. plus he's said that his bankai is really, really powerful, because it cant be used for just anything (battle with the girl Espada).

also, Kenpachi beat Tousen while the only sense that he could use was touch. and since hes already been able to do that, and since Aizen's power comes from illusion, give him a blindfold and shikai and Aizen is in trouble. same with doing the same with Kyoraku, Ukitake, Urahara and Yamamoto. just let them do it without sight. really easy to figure out, since Tousen isnt affected because he's blind.

[Lita]

I would go for Kenpachi aswell, seeing him defeat 2 captains without a Bankai is awesome stuff.
And when he does get Bankai i dont even want to go there, Ubber strong :)
The day he says Ban-Kai ill get a huge shiver up my back.

[VidelCoolGirl]

Funny, I doubt Kenpachi would be able to win in a fight against someone like Yamamoto or Aizen...he's strong, but the lack of shikai or bankai makes him weaker.

[Juicelee777]

I'm gonna abuse the spoiler tag and get banned

aizen was in my opinon strong but he was more cunning than anything, the guys who followedaizen are decent blokes but not on aizen's level and kenpachi is just brute force while the argument stands that aizen is dope I think uhrahara and yoruichi are the people you need to worry about

but realsitically we know whats gonna happen in chapter 399
aizen gets kapwned by kon O.o

[SlackerDude]

Aizen.No contest. He brought Grimmujyou to hes knees with his reiatsu alone, compared to the moment when Yamamotto suffocated that chick vice-captain also with his spirit pressure. But Grimmujyou is the 6th espada ...

[Mantana]

Ive been Keeping up to date with bleach for a while now, and i recall but im not 100% sure! correct me if im wrong, that ichigo in his bankai form couldnt put a scratch on Aizen!
Aizen blocked him with a finger, and think how much the rest struggled with ichigo like kenpachi and byakuya.
Byakuya even used bankai on ichigo and still didnt defeat him, and yet we havent even seen the peek of aizens power and he defeated ichigo with a finger. I believe out of all captains aizen is by far the greatest.
Please give me some feedback.
Mantana

[LinaLoN]

Kenpachi is one of the strongest Captains to me because he always surprises me. I sometimes think there's no way he can handle something but then he shows me I'm wrong. His switch to being Ichigo's comrad was also a surprise considering how I thought he would be embarrassed to have been beaten by a Ryouka. Byukya I think is sort of boring. All I've seen him use is his speed and those silly pink flower petals... I wish he had less of a girly attack but he IS a Bishi so I guess maybe the writers thought it would attract more girls that way. I don't know but I hope to see the full extent of his powers. I think Toshiru's ice dragon is a kick-butt attack. I agree if Aizen was powerful enough to fool the entire Soul Society and rule it under their noses it is tough for anyone to beat him.

[Aya Nakamura]

I say kenpachi is strongest i mean come on...he beat komamura and Tosen who was using bankai

[Phantom]

I would say Byukya would beat Kenpachi because of his overwhelming attack power. Kenpachi wouldn't be able to simply stand there and take it for very long before he gets ripped to shreds. With the eye patch off he would be a real problem for Byukya but im sure he can avoid Kenpachi's up close and personal style long enough to whittle away at Ken chan.

Having Aizen as a option would make this poll pointless so i will ignore him.

[Waga]

Most probably (and logicaly) Aizen.

I think Kenpachi is substancialy weaker than Byakuga because Ichigo beat him without using bankai, whilst Ichigo lost to Byakuga using bankai and had to rely on his hollow powers to bail him out.

[Phantom]

If you want the lamest captain then its Miyuri. No matter who his opponent is one hit from his sword and hes practically won.

[Waga]

jog my poor memory, is he the guy with the weird painted face who is in charge of experiments.

[Phantom]

Yeah thats the guy. One good hit and your done!

[Waga]

yeah, he's a creep

[LinaLoN]

Does Ichimaru get his beatdown anytime because personally I would love to see that happen. I don't like him at all. Then again I do have tendacy to hate characters with closed eyes because they turn out to be evil or confusing on whether they are bad or good. Be one or the other will you? Anyway... is he still with Aizen in the newest manga chapters?

For strongest order I would say; 1) Aizen, 2) Byakya 3) Kenpachi I'm not sure where everyone else stand though.

[Jack_Bauer]

Ichimaru doesnt get any type of *** beating.

He is probably one of the strongest Captain/Former Captain in the Gotei 13.

His eyes are cool! His smile and the way he talks is what makes him a good character even though we dont see much of him. I cant wait till they show him fight some more.

[gunndreams]

I would have to say Aizen. When he mentioned that the Hogyokou needed to merge with someone possessing twice the reiatsu of a normal (hence, average) captain, he was speaking soley of the sphere's modus operandi, not his own power. Yet it was a hint that his own power far surpasses that of a captain with even twice the reiatsu of an average one.

Also, consider the fact that Tite Kubo created Aizen to look like Clark Kent/Superman. After his defection, when he crushes his glasses and slicks his hair back, he even has Superman's bangs! It's a hint that Aizen is the Shinigami Superman. His powers and abilities exceed even those of the captain commander. Aizen was able to stop Ichigo's bankai attacks with a single finger. He is a master strategist, and able to use his illusions to devastating effect. In terms of raw power, Kenpachi may be able to stand toe to toe against Aizen. But because of Aizen's vastly superior intelligence and skills, he would easily crush Kenpachi.

[Nutmeg]

My favorite, and my hope of becoming the most powerful is Hitsugaya Toushirou, since he is an reincarnation of the guardian -- who we still dont know a lot about.


I agree.... why is this an important fact yet we haven't learned more about it... I love Hitusgaya but he has a little growing to do (not just in height). :P

It's hard to decide who the strongest captain is... they all have unique qualities. That and we haven't seen all of their bankais.

[Mantana]

Ok I agree kenpachi is real strong and possibly has the most "Strength" out of the captains considering he doesnt have bankai, And i think if Kenapchi can take down 2 captains at bankai level then its rigged how ichigo beat him without bankai, they have to seriously consider some thought on how to measure each characters power. Like Come on ichigo would rape kenpachi at bankai level because he beat him at his normal state, then that means kenpachi isnt that fantastic at all, think about it?
This might be a spoiler about the future animae saga in bleach so if your not passed 100 episodes then i advise you not to read this.
This is an accurate lookout on the captains power considering to where im up to, Aizen is by Far the toughest captain.
Why i say it so bluntly?
That awesome Blue haired arancar Number 6 i think he is, SMASHED ichigo at his bankai level, their power differences were 100-1.
And if you recall when that Number 6 arancar acted on his own and aizen got pissed off at him, his aura was enough to drop him to the floor and nearly killing him!!. Think about the power differences between how strong ichigo was at his bankai level compared to the other captains, And if aizen can drop that eliet with just his energy and that same someone can hammer ichigo at bankai level then you got to be a fool to believe kenpachi or byakuya is the toughest unless they have a hidden power they havent revealed yet.

[Waga]

[QUOTE=Mantana;6269721]Ok I agree kenpachi is real strong and possibly has the most "Strength" out of the captains considering he doesnt have bankai, And i think if Kenapchi can take down 2 captains at bankai level then its rigged how ichigo beat him without bankai, they have to seriously consider some thought on how to measure each characters power. Like Come on ichigo would rape kenpachi at bankai level because he beat him at his normal state, then that means kenpachi isnt that fantastic at all, think about it?
QUOTE]


Or maybe Kenpachi is very strong, but ichigo is stronger. How could it be rigged that he beat Kenpachi without a bankai. If Kenpachi can beat those two captains he fought then most likely ichigo can also beat them. But I don't think fights work like that, its all about battle types, Ichigo might be able to defeat Kenpachi but he might lose to the two captians Kenpachi defeats.

[Masokick]

What I really like about...

...Aizen is that every time he puts on a show of force, you've got to wonder if he really actually doing anything, or he is just making them think he's displaying his power? Maybe his bankai convinced Grimmjaw he got his @$$ handed to him, when in fact that didn't happen at all. (Like in The Matrix, if your brain thinks you fell off a building your body will break, even if you were sitting in a chair the whole time.) And maybe he didn't really stop Ichigo with one finger, maybe he was holding his zanpaktou, or a shield, or something else? Ichigo could have been so shocked at what he though he saw, he might not have felt his own zanpaktou hitting a solid object.

It's a really interesting power. Do the Espada know what his bankai can do, or not?

I think Kyouraku from 8th must be very powerful, because the first time we see him fight in the anime he says something like; "neither of us likes to fight but we must" or something to that effect, and sometimes it's the most reluctant fighters who are the strongest. He knows he has nothing to prove so he's not in a rush to take up arms. I really like his laid-back attitude, and his relationship with "lovely Nanao-chan".

[drgenestarwind]

^Kyoraku is my favorite captain because of his style. i think he's incredibly strong too. i hope we get to see a lot more of the other divisions in SS in the future

[Nutmeg]

From watching the movie preview on the opening of 153 it looks like a lot of Captains are drawing their zanpakutō.... So it appears we will see more of this... Yamamoto was even fighting.

[DavenIII]

As far as I'm Concerned Urahara has to be the strongest, besides maybe the Old Man, we just don't know enough about him still...also, we don't know anything about the "King" and his dimension/world what have you, the place Aizen is trying to break into, they most likely have guards or what have you up there that make the ones in Soul Society look weak.

[Lord Timaeus]

Seriously, guys...

Kubo's the strongest. He can kill Aizen in an instant, and he doesn't even need a bankai to do it.

[StandingAlone]

As far as I'm Concerned Urahara has to be the strongest, besides maybe the Old Man, we just don't know enough about him still...also, we don't know anything about the "King" and his dimension/world what have you, the place Aizen is trying to break into, they most likely have guards or what have you up there that make the ones in Soul Society look weak.

Good point. I agree with you on Urahara. He isn't a captain anymore but I think is would be the strongest it he was. He just messes with people when he fights and doesn't ever show his true strength but still kicks ***. I bet he is pretty godly if he ever shows his true power.

[DavenIII]

Good point. I agree with you on Urahara. He isn't a captain anymore but I think is would be the strongest it he was. He just messes with people when he fights and doesn't ever show his true strength but still kicks ***. I bet he is pretty godly if he ever shows his true power.

Also when he shows up to save Ichigo when Ulquiorra and Yami first show up, Ulquiorra tell Yami to back off because he has no idea who he's fighting, it gives the notion that even Ulquiorra is a bit scared of him.

[reddot23]

Urahara is the strongest. +1

[Mr. sickVisionz]

Since we can count ex-captains, I vote for Aizen.

He made a mockery out of two captains, and pwned Renji and Ichigo at the same time. He's done all this and we've never actually seen him fight. All we've seen is one hit knock outs, the bending of fingers that results in people almost getting cut in half, and he releases his reitsu and everyone is instantly pinned to the ground and can barely breathe.

[StandingAlone]

Since we can count ex-captains, I vote for Aizen.

He made a mockery out of two captains, and pwned Renji and Ichigo at the same time. He's done all this and we've never actually seen him fight. All we've seen is one hit knock outs, the bending of fingers that results in people almost getting cut in half, and he releases his reitsu and everyone is instantly pinned to the ground and can barely breathe.

I wonder though, if most of those examples are just illusions. He may actually be fighting it just doesn't appear like he is. It is his zanpakuto's power. Just a thought... ;)

[Vaikyuko]

Except, as has been brought up eight billion times before, he has to release his zanpakuto in front of the party he is attempting to hypnotize/fool/whatever in order for it to work. The only reason he fooled literally all of Soul Society was because he was stated to have showed his shikai to basically everyone in the Gotei 13 when he was placed as a captain.

So it would have no effect on Ichigo, Orihime, Ishida, Chad, etc, unless Aizen released it in front of them. In addition, unless he's unleashed it in front of his subordinates aside from Gin and Tousen (ie, the Espada and the other Arrancar, which seems incredibly unlikely especially considering how many Arrancar there are, be they ranked, unranked, or Fraccion), it would have no effect on them either.

All you people who keep trying to weaken Aizen, please stop. He's the strongest Bleach character right now until other characters power up, certain others reveal their bankai, etc. So yeah.

[StandingAlone]

Ok...calm down. Besides it has not said in Bleach that he is the strongest, he is just the main antagonist.

[Vaikyuko]

Lol, I'm not riled up at all. I love how people take toneless inflection for "incredibly angry".

Also, I could debate about who's strongest, but considering it's an age old thing and the villain in any shounen can only be defeated by the hero (ie, is stronger than everyone else), it should go without saying that Aizen > all right now. But w/e.

[StandingAlone]

Lol, I'm not riled up at all. I love how people take toneless inflection for "incredibly angry".

Also, I could debate about who's strongest, but considering it's an age old thing and the villain in any shounen can only be defeated by the hero (ie, is stronger than everyone else), it should go without saying that Aizen > all right now. But w/e.

It's not that I thought you were angry, you were just really sarcastic and emphatic (which is a good thing sometimes). Sorry, I don't remember or missed out on the Aizen discussions.

This is a valid point though. It makes sense that he would be the strongest because only the main "hero" can defeat him. The only thing I see that may be flawed with this point is that sometimes other characters allow the "hero" to defeat the main antagonist so they can become stronger physically and mentally. This is probably not the case with Bleach though.

[Mr. sickVisionz]

Lol, I'm not riled up at all. I love how people take toneless inflection for "incredibly angry".

Oh hush ;), you were riled up. Its cool though, Aizen deserves it.

Ichigo has alot of trouble dealing with Grimmjaw. Aizen released his reiatsu and Grimmjaw was bought to his knees and was on the ground coughing like he was about to die. Not from a punch, but just from Aizen deciding to basically stop masking his power level for a little bit. He has to be strong or at least he has a beastly Reiatsu level thats among the top tier of Bleach characters.

He used that high-level Kidou art on the wolf face captain. That pretty much "killed" (although in Bleach, only filler villains are capable of dying) him but Aizen told Gin that it was a complete failure and only had like 1/4 of its destructive power. And he did it like it was nothing. So not only is his reiatsu high, but he can use kidou to the level were a goof up is still strong enough to be "fatal" to a captain level opponent.

As far as it all being an illusion, I think that when he fought wolf face and Hitsuga (sp: ice kid) he used it. He was there, they attacked him, he vanished and they found themselves "dead". But Renji and Ichigo, I don't think he used an illusion. Mainly because the show, up to that point and beyond, always shows him or some object vanishing when they want the viewer to know he's done something. You can speculate that he's used it other times, but its not really based off of anything they've shown in the anime or manga.

Also, and I think this is the most important aspect, is the reason why he joined the Hollow and left. In his speech (around episode like... 61-62) he said that there was basically a level cap on Shinigami and Hollows. Once you reached a certain point in the 4 areas of fighting, you could go no higher. Aizen wanted to surpass that level cap. That suggests that he was either at that level cap in certain aspects or at least approaching it. That fact that nobody else even seemed to know that there was this top off point suggest something about where they are on that level, although thats pure speculation on my part. Anyways, Aizen wanted more power. He's made arrancar, which are basically Hollows turned to Shinigami. I can only speculate that he observed Grimmajaw fight the Vaizard leader, or at the least, he knows about Ichigo's ability to turn into a hollow. I can't imagine that Aizen, who left solely to acquire this power, has been hesitant about using this power himself... especially seeing how well it works for the Espada and the Vaizard/Ichigo.

[Vaikyuko]

^Wow, that's honestly the first time anyone has said I'm wrong about what I know is true (regarding my state of mind). :P

Anyway, my hypothesis: Aizen is going to use the fully maxed out Hougyoku (which in turn is weakened thanks to Aizen constantly abusing the thing, but that's presumably what he stole'd Orihime for) to not only make a key to the King's realm, but also try and make himself a ShiniHollow, I think. I also suspect the King himself is a perfect hybrid.

As for Aizen's power, level cap definitely comes into play, but something tells me Aizen has the ability to use Hollow stuff even without becoming a Vizard (refer to Urahara and Tousen both having the ability to open paths to Hueco Mundo even though they aren't Hollows or Arrancar).

For why Aizen never shows off his power: if he went all out, I'm sure he'd kill several of his subordinates with his reiatsu alone, so we never see him do anything. Also note during the end of the SS arc, he goes to unseal his zanpakuto (and presumably kill everyone in the blink of an eye), and two captain level shinigami are already there and ready to kill him just as fast. I'd say that's a little more evidence for the "Aizen is actually strong, he isn't just the best poker player ever" argument.

[Sangrood]

Hmm,

1) Aizen 2) Urahara 3) Hitsugaya/Yamamoto

Aizen and Kisuke are pretty obvious. Shawlong says that Hitsugaya doesn't have full bankai control yet, despite this in shikai he defeated Gin (he froze his blinking arm, that's a victory if it weren't for the Hinamori stuff) who was Aizen's most trusted, he also beat Luppi who was at Sexta Espada level. Yamamoto had two shikai captains, who came off with bruises, came off unharmed with only a shikai. But, in terms of strategy, Kurotsuchi has some skill, one stab and you're immobilised. Unohana appears to be pretty intelligent seeing through Aizen's illusions which is supposedly impossible and managed to make Aizen run and managed to tell everyone of his betrayal, since were done with Byakuya and Mayuri in the manga, she might be up next, so we'll see something.

[Kyouraku317]

It has been a longtime since I have posted on this subject but to be quite frank I have decided that the only logical conclusion for Captains in terms of power is that 1.Aizen 2.Yamamoto 3. Urahara 4.Kenpachi 5.Byakuya the others I don't know what to say for them. One that no one talks about is Soifon but I think she deserves some thought considering she is the protege of yoruichi and the fact that she has NEVER used her bankai in all her fights and two stabs alone from her shikai equals death. as far as Kyouraku and Ukitake, I thought they might have been in the top tier but after watching the 2nd bleach movie (granted its not canon but still) and seeing Kyouraku get raped by that Kusaka guy who didn't even have a bankai, I lost all respect for him. the same probably goes for Ukitake in terms of power.

[goddessofanime]

Strongest Captain: (Have no idea if I wrote something before)

1. Yamaji-since he's Yama.
2. Unohana
3. Kyouraku
4. Ukitake
5. Aizen/Urahara(tie)

[Vaikyuko]

It has been a longtime since I have posted on this subject but to be quite frank I have decided that the only logical conclusion for Captains in terms of power is that 1.Aizen 2.Yamamoto 3. Urahara 4.Kenpachi 5.Byakuya the others I don't know what to say for them. One that no one talks about is Soifon but I think she deserves some thought considering she is the protege of yoruichi and the fact that she has NEVER used her bankai in all her fights and two stabs alone from her shikai equals death. as far as Kyouraku and Ukitake, I thought they might have been in the top tier but after watching the 2nd bleach movie (granted its not canon but still) and seeing Kyouraku get raped by that Kusaka guy who didn't even have a bankai, I lost all respect for him. the same probably goes for Ukitake in terms of power.

Kyouraku only was "raped" because Kusaka basically stole the power of Hyourinmaru's full force (aka, bankai). Nice try. It's also totally irrelevant because non-canon stuff disregards the canon entirely sometimes.

Still adamantly sticking to Aizen as strongest captain. Don't really care who's second best, because that's exactly what they are: second best.

[taily]

The bleach data books listed Kenpachi as the weakest captain.


















No. seriously.

[Vaikyuko]

It makes some sense. All he has, in terms of fighting ability, is his physical strength and absurd reiatsu. Other than that, the abilities of other captains clearly are capable of beating him were they to fight, I think; for example, Mayuri's ability to immobilize would totally destroy someone like Kenpachi, who generally would charge in, get hit again and again, and then be totally unable to move (at which point Mayuri could just poison and kill him with his bankai).

But then there's odd things like how Kenpachi beat Komamura (who probably isn't THAT strong, even for a captain) and Tosen when they tag teamed him, and how Hitsugaya generally sucks. So I dunno.

[Ikari_Shinji]

wouldn't Aizen Sousuke qualify. if so, i'd go that route.

[taily]

PHEW when I saw you made the latest post I was THINKING OF A DIFFERENT GUY WITH A SIMALAR USERRNAME so this is like phew bleach live action movie doesn't exist yet.

[Jamie-chan]

Well, I might have said Mayuri, but he cheats and I hate his guts anyway. No matter what the other shinigami say, I will not vouch for Unohana until I can see her fight.
And Byakuya is my favorite character, and I apologize in advance for ranting, but I want to point this out. The only reason he keeps nearly killing Ichigo is because whenever Byakuya unleashes his power, Ichigo's like "Holy crow, I've never seen this before, so I'll just stand here and wait to see what it does!!!"
So I would have to say Old Man Yamamoto, Urahara, and Aizen, because you try to attack him and he can just laugh in your face. I can't say the same for Gin though, because he just sits there like a moron, lets someone else block an attack aimed at him, and laughs in your face anyway.

[Kcets]

It's impossible for me to say right now because I haven't seen Ukitake, Shunsui, or Aizen truely fight.

[RecentMidget]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v652/Pilot9685/Bleach%20Pics/302386384_b2bc55f19d.jpg

that is all. :lol:

[taily]

Lower tier

#10 - Chad, Rukia

Renji, Ishida,

#9

10) Fox-Guy
He just seems so weak. He needed bankai to defeat a fraccion

9) Hitsugaya
needed bankai to lay a finger on sealed Yammy

#8

8) Clowny
He took down the 8th espada, and his tricks could take down quite a few people in Bleach

Middle tier

#7

7) Byakuya
This guy took out the 7th espada with some ease.

#6

God-mod Ishida

6) Soi fon
pwned fraccion with shikai, possibally the current fastest person in Bleach.

#5
5) Kenpachi
Took out 5th espada, his Kendo could undoubtably make emospada release.

Higher tier

#4

4) Ukitake - #3
Below Shunsui because of his poor health. Other than just speculation, it's clear he's strong from how he and Shunsui are able to stand their own vs. shikai Yamamoto, where as Allon, who is definately espada level, is wftpwnd by Yamas pimp-cane alone.

3) Shunsui
see above


2) Unohana - #2
Obvious reasons

#1

1)Yamamoto
Obvious reasons.

[taily]

It has been a longtime since I have posted on this subject but to be quite frank I have decided that the only logical conclusion for Captains in terms of power is that 1.Aizen 2.Yamamoto 3. Urahara 4.Kenpachi 5.Byakuya the others I don't know what to say for them. One that no one talks about is Soifon but I think she deserves some thought considering she is the protege of yoruichi and the fact that she has NEVER used her bankai in all her fights and two stabs alone from her shikai equals death. as far as Kyouraku and Ukitake, I thought they might have been in the top tier but after watching the 2nd bleach movie (granted its not canon but still) and seeing Kyouraku get raped by that Kusaka guy who didn't even have a bankai, I lost all respect for him. the same probably goes for Ukitake in terms of power.

You're basing anything off something less reliable than filler.

[Caster13]

PHEW when I saw you made the latest post I was THINKING OF A DIFFERENT GUY WITH A SIMALAR USERRNAME so this is like phew bleach live action movie doesn't exist yet.

Weren't we all>_< ....

He owes a bunch of people here money. No seriously he does in real life.

[Crazyposse]

Hmmm I wonder if Urahara and Isshin will take 2 of the Captain positions available at this moment :uhh:

[taily]

Edited my last post to show where I believe the espada and other characters to be

[ichiro123]

ukitake would be the ebst captain if he was not sick all the time so i vote Hirako Shinji when using both bankai and Vizard power together ^_^

[grandchaosSR]

Hmm my bet would be Kenpachi. He doesn't have Shikai or Bankai and yet he is the captain of 11th squad.
He also defeated 2 captains that are using bankai and he defeated Nnoitra with pure power.
If Kenpachi learns even just a Shikai he'd be unstoppable...

Second would be Yamamoto Genryuusai because his Shikai is almost like a bankai.

[MetaLxFreaK]

Well...if any of u have read the Manga u would Probably Know the Strongest Captains.....the 3 oldest captains ever...Captain Squad Number 1...Yamamato...and Squad Number 8...Kyouraku....and Squad 13...Ukitake.....
Ukitake even Warned Kyouraku not to ever use his Bankai and for u guys that Watch The anime...think about it..u have never seen Ukitake or Kyouraku fight for real...u'll see soon...
Kyouraku will be able to Defeat Stark
they both have Amazing Strength....and about Yamamato...he hasnt done any thing in the manga So Far...oh well Best of luck
Bleach Rox ^^

Any Commentary add me MetaLxFreaK_Cuddy@hotmail.com

[taily]

You forgot about Unohana. She dah badass.

[goddessofanime]

Unohana.

There's a reason why Uki, Grabass and even Aizen are all scared sh*tless of her

[taily]

Am I the only one who thinks that even with Bankai and Vizard, Yamamoto would still whoop Kenpachis *** back home crying?

I mean Unreleased Yama> (bit of guess work here
Shikai Shunsui>
Stark>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Shikai Kenpachi

[Nutmeg]

Top 4 Battle stats according to Kubo from the Bleach Official Bootleg

1 - Yama-jii 560/600
1 - Aizen 560/600
3 - Unohana 540/600
4 - Kyoraku 530/600

Kenpachi in comparison has 390/600

[taily]

The battle stats are completely meaningless, it is about POTENTIAL.