My thoughts about Gundam ZZ

[yushire]

I like the original Gundam, I watched Gundam Z and its a hell lot better than the original Gundam, I just dont know how to say with Gundam ZZ. I just dont know, really. I never even watched its halfway through it, more like its just a filler series in the UC saga. Sorry for the fans of this series, but...

[Magami No ER]

Try watching the whole thing. It gets "better" for most. I actually need to finish it myself (preferably within the rest of the month^^; )

[Levon]

It gets a lot better in the second half, everyone agrees there.

[Bernard_Monsha]

Yes if you can get past the Moon Moon episodes it finishes fairly strong. Glemmy is one of the top teir villans of any series and almost makes up for the first half entirely.

[yushire]

What episode is the good part? Anyway, it seems our local cable channel for animes never broadcast Gundam series anymore... I watched Gundam and Gundam Z because of it...

[Bernard_Monsha]

Episode 20ish is when it really starts to pick up. It is like 2 seperate series because the change is quite sudden.

[HitokiriShadow]

My thoughts on ZZ: Hurry up, Bandai.

I can't say anything else as I haven't actually seen it. yeah, I'm waiting for the legit release.

[Levon]

The start of it getting good:
http://www.mahq.net/animation/gundam/zz/gzzep20.htm
http://www.mahq.net/animation/gundam/zz/gzzep21.htm
http://www.mahq.net/animation/gundam/zz/gzzep22.htm
http://www.mahq.net/animation/gundam/zz/gzzep23.htm
http://www.mahq.net/animation/gundam/zz/gzzep24.htm
http://www.mahq.net/animation/gundam/zz/gzzep25.htm
http://www.mahq.net/animation/gundam/zz/gzzep26.htm
http://www.mahq.net/animation/gundam/zz/gzzep27.htm < I really like this & the next episode
http://www.mahq.net/animation/gundam/zz/gzzep28.htm
And so on.
Before those episode he gave really poor scores.

[yushire]

My thoughts on ZZ: Hurry up, Bandai.

I can't say anything else as I haven't actually seen it. yeah, I'm waiting for the legit release.

So there's no official released yet from Bandai? But is Gundam Z already have official release yet?

So its episode 20 it is. Man... when I almost there.

[Levon]

So there's no official released yet from Bandai? But is Gundam Z already have official release yet?

So its episode 20 it is. Man... when I almost there.

Zeta was released in 2004 on R1 DVD.

[yushire]

Zeta was released in 2004 on R1 DVD.

Oh thanks levon. Now to watched it, but then, is there a local channel release of Gundam Z yet?

[HitokiriShadow]

It hasn't aired on TV and there haven't been any plans for it. And I wouldn't count on it. The flashy new Gundam SEED did pretty poorly on Cartoon Network/Adult Swim, so they sure aren't going to try airing a 20 year old series.

[Levon]

I have an old anime magazine(Anime Insider maybe it was) that says to "look forward to Zeta & F91 on CN soon"<_< Wrong. They might have if SEED did well. Even on Adult Swim Zeta would need edits(not much though, just the nudity & maybe the scenes with dead children).

[Rahxephon91]

If it was on Adult Swim it would not need edits. Zeta is not that graphic.

[Mazinkaiser]

Though I don't think the action will be edited, Zeta's nudity would definitely be edited.

[yushire]

It hasn't aired on TV and there haven't been any plans for it. And I wouldn't count on it. The flashy new Gundam SEED did pretty poorly on Cartoon Network/Adult Swim, so they sure aren't going to try airing a 20 year old series.

Is it because SEED isnt that good in the first place? even I'm disappointed with it. I like the other Gundam series better...

[HitokiriShadow]

There are plenty of Gundam fans that enjoy SEED. And regardless, it told CN that Gundam doesn't do well anymore and if the shiny new stuff didn't work, they sure as heck aren't going to try the old stuff.

[Rahxephon91]

Though I don't think the action will be edited, Zeta's nudity would definitely be edited.
They showed nudity in Ghost in the Shell. I don't think Rosamia's boobs would be that much of a problem.

[Levon]

They showed nudity in Ghost in the Shell. I don't think Rosamia's boobs would be that much of a problem.

Yes it would. They can't show nudity. The only time they showed nudity is in Crayon Shin-Chan when they'd show Shin's tiny elephant. I watched all of Ghost in the Shell SAC on DVD & I don't remember any nudity. If your talking about the movie, it never aired on CN.

[Soluzar]

They showed nudity in Ghost in the Shell. I don't think Rosamia's boobs would be that much of a problem.
Perhaps it would be not so much a matter of the naked Rosamia, but more a matter of the naked Fa, as well as those two orphans, whose name I cannot recall. I could be mistaken, but I seem to recall Four having a bath scene, too.

All of those taken together, and Zeta would almost certainly be lightly edited for television. Which is a shame, because it deprives the audience of the deeply funny moment when Camille was unable to maintain eye contact with Fa. Rather subtle, but it helps to lend verisimilitude to the character of Camille, who is a typical teenaged male after all. :shifty:

[Levon]

Yeah Camille sees Fa nude.

Also:

http://www.gun-plus.com/screenshots/z/epseven11.jpg http://img133.exs.cx/img133/4782/pdvd0070yj.jpg

[Westlo]

If this was shown on CN it would be pulled off the air before it got good... the first half would've turned off a lot of viewers and the potential amount of viwers for a series like this would be limited in the first place.

[yushire]

Well the quality of Gundam Z isnt that bad, infact, its good. And anime fans will enjoy it none the less. I mean, who will watch TV almost 12 MN int he evening? KIDS?

I think its because Gundam isnt that popular anymore, as popular as Gundam Wing was?

[Amuro]

I mean, who will watch TV almost 12 MN int he evening? KIDS?
If, by kids, you mean 11-15-year olds, then yeah-they're exactly the audience that watches Adult Swim.

[Rahxephon91]

If, by kids, you mean 11-15-year olds, then yeah-they're exactly the audience that watches Adult Swim.
thats not completely true. The core audience is 18-24 males

[yushire]

thats not completely true. The core audience is 18-24 males

The reason CN must broadcast Gundam Z, subbed or dubbed. After all, our CN(Philippines) is just a clone version of CN USA. If CN USA broadcasts Gundam Z, so as our local CN network...

[Levon]

The newbie & casual anime fan crowd doesn't like classics here in the US anymore<_< They don't really do well, they were showing Mobile Suit Gundam on Adult Swim but then stopped it I believe in the 30's. It aired on Toonami where I believe all but the last few episodes. I believe it failed both on Toonami & Adult Swim.
The most recent Gundam they aired(SEED) failed as well. So it seems CN doesn't want to try another Gundam. One reason that SEED might have failed is that they showed it on Toonami BADLY edited. Toonami times suck now, it only aired every Saturday night. They diddn't even show all of SEED on Toonami I think, they moved it to Friday's at around 1:00 AM. Which there target(kids) wouldn't be able to watch it. They should have aired it on AS towards adults.

[Amuro]

thats not completely true. The core audience is 18-24 males
Really? I sort-of figured that, if people aren't either downloading uncut fansubs or buying uncut DVDs by 11, they certainly are doing it by 18. I don't think I've ever met anyone of that age who watched Adult Swim, but I suppose that would be the more casual audience?

[Levon]

I think the lowest age I'v seen that watches Adult Swim was 14. Adult Swim has improved a lot since there days of Cowboy Bebop. They have much less edits with now having TV-MA.

[yushire]

Well better believe it about the casual animes in CN. They are no different from the cartoon shorts we've seen in ordinary CN cartoons. Just as like Mirmo de Pon and Pokemon...

[Rahxephon91]

Really? I sort-of figured that, if people aren't either downloading uncut fansubs or buying uncut DVDs by 11, they certainly are doing it by 18. I don't think I've ever met anyone of that age who watched Adult Swim, but I suppose that would be the more casual audience?
Well I'm not saying the males that are watching that are really into anime. Afterall theres alot more to Adult Swim then anime.

Plus theres a lot of people who are just super casual anime fans. They could care less about downloading a show, don't want to watch it in Japanese, and if its on tv they watch it.

[yushire]

Well I'm not saying the males that are watching that are really into anime. Afterall theres alot more to Adult Swim then anime.

Plus theres a lot of people who are just super casual anime fans. They could care less about downloading a show, don't want to watch it in Japanese, and if its on tv they watch it.

Then why Eva is a sleeper hit, though we've only seen Eva in DVDS...

Thats what I thought....

[Levon]

I don't understand what you said:huh: "only seen Eva in DVDS"? It aired on Adult Swim in the US.

[Mazinkaiser]

I think this guy (like me) is in the Philippines, where Eva is only found on bootlegs and stuff, not having aired on any local animation channels yet. And I wouldn't consider Evangelion a sleeper hit, considering the large numbers of rabid EVA fanboys in the United States. Something like Rahxephon, yeah, I can understand as a sleeper, but Eva? No way.

[yushire]

I think this guy (like me) is in the Philippines, where Eva is only found on bootlegs and stuff, not having aired on any local animation channels yet. And I wouldn't consider Evangelion a sleeper hit, considering the large numbers of rabid EVA fanboys in the United States. Something like Rahxephon, yeah, I can understand as a sleeper, but Eva? No way.

Yeah, you're right about that, I came from the Philippines and because of the censors we only seen the half-a**ed cut version of it, so we only relied on bootlegs and DVDS. Sad wasnt it?

But then, the fad didnt last that long, dont know about the US but it sure gone here...

[Dr. Nick]

Hey, a ZZ thread. You're mine now!

Is it just me, or were some of the death scenes in ZZ totally illogical? Gripes taken from an older email of mine, spoilers ahoy! Also, I'm using fansub name spellings, so they might be a bit off.

- Rasara: she wasn't hit by any debris I could see...
- Mashymar: apparently activates his Zaku's Hyper Mode and goes boom. WTF?!?
- Puru Two: wait, was she supposed to be injured? But she didn't even have an IV in her arm for crissakes!

- Emary's demise wasn't perhaps illogical, but it was painfully stupid, like charging into battle in an ice-cream truck. Congratulations, Miss, you're the new Katz.
- Yazan and his ambiguous departure: oh, the wasted potential!

Another thing, but doesn't Argama have any grunts anymore? When watching Zeta I was positively surprised how useful those nameless Nemo-dudes actually were. It's a minor thing, but it really added to the suspension of disbelief seeing how war's not completely about Newtype aces dueling with each other. Okay, after Zeta's final battle there were only a handful of people alive on the ship, that's understandable, but it felt to me as if this situation continued throughout the entire show. Besides Bright and his bridge bunnies, the Shangri-La gang and Astonaige, who else were there? Did Argama deploy any grunt suits even once?

[Mazinkaiser]

I was very surprised about that too. I could not believe that they had lost every single one of their Rick Dias units, and somehow, never replaced any of them.

[greg]

Somebody in an earlier thread had said that Gundam ZZ had silly antics like Scooby Doo. I just finished watching up to episode 5 this afternoon, and while I wouldn't go so far as to compare it to Scooby Doo, it does start out pretty lighthearted. I'd compare the sillyiness more to something like Kimagure Orange Road or Patlabor. I'll be waiting until episode 20 for the show to get in gear.

[Magami No ER]

Hey, a ZZ thread. You're mine now!
So you finished too, Nick? I'm such a laggard...

[greg]

One more opinion: I really don't think that any anime's marketability on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim is a real litmus test as to whether or not its would warrant enough DVD sales to be released domestically. I'm sure there are plenty of popular anime programs on DVD that would not do well on cable TV. And I for one do not bother watching any anime on TV unless it is subtitled.

[Dalmain]

Somebody in an earlier thread had said that Gundam ZZ had silly antics like Scooby Doo. I just finished watching up to episode 5 this afternoon, and while I wouldn't go so far as to compare it to Scooby Doo, it does start out pretty lighthearted. I'd compare the sillyiness more to something like Kimagure Orange Road or Patlabor. I'll be waiting until episode 20 for the show to get in gear.

It's more like the episodes with Scrappy Doo.

[Amuro]

Scooby-Doo > Double Zeta,
which isn't to say that Double Zeta is that bad, as i sort-of enjoyed what i saw of it, just that Scooby-Doo is a classic to which a generic Gundam series cannot compare :naughty:...

[Levon]

Comparing Scooby-Doo to a Gundam series-_-; Somethings odd here.

[Amuro]

Well, Scooby-Doo and Double Zeta share more stylistic elements than, say, Mobile Suit Gundam and Gundam Wing.

[Dr. Nick]

So you finished too, Nick? I'm such a laggard...

Compared to the filth I usually watch, Double Zeta was like a walk in a park invaded by puppies. If not for any other reason, watch it for epic screencappable moments. (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/Dr-Nick/random%20anime/bscap215.jpg)

[Bernard_Monsha]

Comparing Scooby-Doo to a Gundam series-_-; Somethings odd here.


Sure Yazun constantly foiled by those rotten kids and their Zeta Gundam every single freaking episode for the first 10 or so episodes. After ruining Yazun they decide to take us to Moon Moon, and then before I forget the Bright chicken incident.

[Egyptpower]

I like ZZ, Jaudu is my favorite Gundam hero because he doesn't start off as your typical Gundam hero. He's better than Kira in my opinion.

[Amuro]

He's better than Kira in my opinion.
That's one of the strongest cases for ranking Double Zeta higher in the Gundam pantheon that I've heard so far..

[Tiran]

I find it difficult to think of a gundam protagonist I rate below Kira, especiay if you consider Destiny.

[Egyptpower]

I find it difficult to think of a gundam protagonist I rate below Kira, especiay if you consider Destiny.

Good point, I still kinda like SEED though, it's just that I feel a lot of things fell out of place.

[Bernard_Monsha]

I find it difficult to think of a gundam protagonist I rate below Kira, especiay if you consider Destiny.

That's an easy one, Mark Curran.

[Amuro]

How about Shute?

[Tiran]

That's an easy one, Mark Curran.
How about Shute?
Having never seen G Saviour (To be pedantic, it isn't considered gundam any more is it?) or SD Gundam Force, it would have been hard for me to think of them. =-p

[Bernard_Monsha]

You have never seen the shimmering Purple War Muu Muu of Doom worn by the colony chief?

[Egyptpower]

Somebody in an earlier thread had said that Gundam ZZ had silly antics like Scooby Doo. I just finished watching up to episode 5 this afternoon, and while I wouldn't go so far as to compare it to Scooby Doo, it does start out pretty lighthearted. I'd compare the sillyiness more to something like Kimagure Orange Road or Patlabor. I'll be waiting until episode 20 for the show to get in gear.

It's more like the episodes with Scrappy Doo.

Actually, it feels more like a Super Robot show in the first half.

[Magami No ER]

^Exactly the feeling I got from it as well.

[Grisha]

What's the point of watching half and commenting on the series as a whole...

[Egyptpower]

What's the point of watching half and commenting on the series as a whole...

Exactly especially since the second half happens to be quite good.

[millinniummany3]

Grisha is a troll. It regularly frequents at least twenty news groups, including many rabid/sex/racist groups. Normally, it starts off with reasonable, even witty lines, but rapidly drifts into lies, abuse and stupidity. Check its details at http://www.animenation.net/forums/showthread.php?t=200203. It is a sad creature, deserving of pity, not anger. Any direct response simply feeds it, but it will go away if you ignore it.

[Bernard_Monsha]

What's the point of watching half and commenting on the series as a whole...


I watched half of Magical Knight Rayearth and nearly chewed off my toungue. If a show is bad it is bad, ZZ never fully recovers from the Scooby Doo crap and what they did to Yazun. Also the Moon Moon episodes were an affront to any and every diety, agnostics and atheist.