I think Dante is an idiot

[sailornyanko]

Excuse my rudeness, but I think Dante just shows that she doesn't seems to think a lot.

***SPOILER!!!!***

Okay, so she uses a Philosopher's stone Hohenheim made centuries ago to switch bodies. In the process though, the bodies both age and her soul deteriorates in the foreign body at ever growing speed.

Had I been her with the knowledge about chimeras, I wouldn't of swapped my body with a human if the only thing I wanted was eternal youth with the option of still being able to do alchemy.

Whoever turned Martha and her friends into chimeras was obviously a genius.. or probably kinda lucky they had false stones around to do the trick. I believe that's how Martha and the rest were created.

Considering Dante had so much power (though who knows how politically powerful she was several hundred years ago), she could of controlled the millitia into any way into experimenting on attractive young women. I would of started the Ishbal war centuries ago had I been Dante when I started to notice my new human body was rotting. She could of used the war as an excuse to do experiments on Ishbalite women. Obviously she wasn't shy about switching her body with Roze so it wouldn't of been all too different if she switched with an Ishbalite.

She could of even demanded the chimera to be amde with a certain animal of personal choice like a dog or something if she thought snakes and scorpions weren't too lady like. Then when a chimera she personally approved was made, she could use the stone to switch with that body.

As Martha said to Edward, she is a lot older than her real appearance. After living 10 years as a chimera she hasn't aged a day. Who knows how the rotting process would of been like in a chimera body, but if part of the problem of swapping bodies was that regular humans age and die, chimeras might possibly live centuries.

Heck, she could of even made a personalized chimera body like the one Tucker perfected using the stone that had Nina's appearance. Dante could forever maintain the appearance of her original body.

But of course, had I done that, a lot of the things that happened in the series would of never occured.

[EmberAlchemist0]

I have to agree Dante isn't all that bright. She had no idea (or so I think) that her soul was rotting. Hohenheim explained to her what was going on but she kept insisting that with the Philosopher's Stone that she could just keep jumping bodies and actually live forever. I doubt even the chimera's could live forever. Then again I don't know..maybe they can. -_-;

[Mr. sickVisionz]

Rotten bodies is only a symptom. The issue really has nothing to do with the bodies. The problem is with her soul. It can't support a body. With all of the wild abilities that chimera have, I doubt that she could support that advanced a body anywhere near as long as she could support a regular human form.

Plus (and this is the major one)...

The show makes it seem like Hohenheim telling her about it [rotting body] was the first time she had gotten an explanation for it. She was in that other body for only god knows how long with no real body rot. There was no reason for her to mess around with being a chimera yet. It seems like Hohenheim didn't figure it out until his last body jump into his current form. Besides, her whole thing was playing a power position without anyone knowing or suspecting anything. Had she been a chimera with massive arrays/tatoos on her body and didn't age for hundreds of years... that might look just a little bit suspicious don't you think? Especially with human alchemy being illegal. Just having an alchemy array on your body is gonna look suspicious. Especially when you combine that with the fact that the person hadn't aged any in like 100+ years. She'd be on wanted posters everywhere.

[EmberAlchemist0]

Hohenheim explained to her that her body was rotting because everytime she jumped bodies she left a little of her soul behind. That is also why everytime she jumps she can't stay in the newer body as long as the last one. Her soul can no longer handle the jumps and the soul becomes weaker I believe. She wasn't in Lyra's body all that long and it began to rot. It makes alot of sense for her not to become a chimera like said above it would look suspicious. Even with her knowledge I doubt she could pull that off anyways. She couldn't even make the Philosopher's Stone on her own she required help.

[Stafal-chan]

:P blinded by her desire to live forever :lol:

[EmberAlchemist0]

^That sums it up nicely Stafal! Lmao!

[Stafal-chan]

GO ME!! short and simple!! :lol: best way to go :P

[EmberAlchemist0]

My personal opinion on Dante that she is someone who is so tied up in figuring out how she can extend her own life that the world is passing her by. She thinks of nothing but that. Which is a sad thing..seriously.

^And yes Stafal simple is always best. :)

[Stafal-chan]

dante is just plain greedy....

(actually i was too tired to read the entire big long post :lol: )

[Mr. sickVisionz]

Even with her knowledge I doubt she could pull that off anyways. She couldn't even make the Philosopher's Stone on her own she required help.

Explain that one? The last time they made a philosophy stone she was "helped" by the military... but she leads and controls the military so really its not even help. She manipulates everyone into doing what she wants.

Ehh, I think i'm just a super fan of Dante so whenever someone says anything even kinda negative i'm like, "false... believe it!" But really, I don't think she's stupid when it comes to alchemy. She can send people to the other side of the gate and even hohenheim pretty much got defeated by her in one simple hand clasp.

Her thing really is about being low key. I don't think that she's incapable of making a stone on her own, its just that its so much easier to manipulate others (especially when you lead the military and can easily round up a few thousand troops or surround a city of thousands) into doing it.

[EmberAlchemist0]

Well if I remember correctly when Hohenheim came to Dante near the end of the series she did state something about not being able to make the stone on her own when Hohenheim left her side. So I automatically figured that she couldn't do it alone. Sure she manipulated the homunculi, the military, and Scar but without their help I doubt she could make it alone.

[Stafal-chan]

:unsure: wonder why she needed hoenhim....did she just need the power of another alchemist? and if so...:P why not just find someone as equally greedy as her to help :lol:

[sailornyanko]

:unsure: wonder why she needed hoenhim....did she just need the power of another alchemist? and if so...:P why not just find someone as equally greedy as her to help :lol:

Perhaps because most talented alchemists are either too honest (like Ed, Marco, probably Lujon had he known the truth of the stone, the false Elrics's father, Roy, etc..), Selfish (like the mercenary alchemist that used electricity alchemy), Looney (Tucker) or Psychotic (Kimblee).

Some of the alchemists from the first group knew how to make the full stone like Marco, but their guilt took the most of them and they ran off. In Marco's case, he didn't last long before the Homunculli got him.

Selfish crooks would of double-crossed Dante. Had they known about the weak spot of the Homunculli, they would of tried to kill them and then finish off Dante as she is still only a mere human.

In the cases of Looney Tucker; he very well might of been able to make the stone in his great desire of creating a perfect Nina. Being a specialist in chimeras, if Dante wanted a chimera body, he was the man.. or was a man.. err...

Kimblee would of been perfectly fine killing people to create the stone, but who knows if he would of stayed loyal to Dante. Probably not. Dante would have to bring her Homunculli to kill him before he kills her. Though, being in the military (and not feeling all that convinced that the man that "freed" him from prison and sent him to the Warehouse 5 was a human), Kimblee could of found out juicy things about the homunculli, especially Pride and Sloth. He could of easily killed Pride discovering the truth about his skull hidden in his house and might of found out how to kill Sloth since she was working as a secretary in the military.

So in essence, it isn't all that easy to find talented alchemists in the series that would of made the stone knowing how it had to be made and willingfully given it to Dante without getting anything in exchange (that is if they survived the equivalent exchange injuries inflicted by creating the stone). I think Archer would of loved to create a stone for Dante if she fed him the idea that killing your own troops to win the war was just. The man obviously looked quite fine with experimenting on humans and wanted a juicy promotion. His ego was so inflated he never suspected anything was strange about Juliette and Bradley even though Hughes's death pointed towards Juliette. Sadly for Dante he didn't know alchemy. However, given the chance she could of instructed Lust to teach him alchemy secretly. If only Dante knew Tucker in person and could manipulate him to have used Archer far sooner in the series.

Regarding chimeras...

Notice that that chimera that was part dog didn't have any strange tattoos that were visible. Dante could of solved that issue by wearing makeup or wearing clothing that hid the tattoo the way she wore clothing that hid her rotting body. If people thought it was unethical, she could of just gotten the job done and killed everyone involved. Gluttony would of finished them off and eaten them alive.

As for the rotten body; I suspect Dante's old body as an old woman was rotten (just that it wasn't as visible as the body rots faster in every passing body). Had Lyra's old body been the first time she noticed the body to rot, she would of been totally freaked out. On the other hand, she probably thought something was wrong with her old stone not passing her body correctly anymore. She did seem surprised with Hohenheim's explanation that she passed too many bodies and her soul isn't capable of holding any new bodies. I'm quite sure Hohenheim has passed through far fewer bodies than Dante and thus this is the first time he has suffered from this. He seemed quite shocked when it happened to him and probably left his family to try to find a cure.. which obviously doesn't exist.

[EmberAlchemist0]

^ You make alot of good points there sailornyanko.

If Dante had gotten another Alchemist for the job once they would find out what they could do with the stone may just run off with it (If they survive the making of the stone).

[Blueboi]

what she should have done was trasnfer her soul to the body of a homunculus and viola.she can eat red stones to cancel the rotting process and live forever.

[EmberAlchemist0]

I don't think she could just transfer her soul into a body of a homunculus. Seeing how the houmunculi were created in the first place. *Shrug*

[Bernard_Monsha]

:unsure: wonder why she needed hoenhim....did she just need the power of another alchemist? and if so...:P why not just find someone as equally greedy as her to help :lol:


because it is easier to manipulate people. She also needed someone else to make it because if you remember Hoenheim is killed the first time they make a philosophers stone and Dante has to place him in another body. The creator of the stone is killed in the process of makeing it. Same now Dante cannot make it herself because it would kill her and no other alchemist is powerful enough to transfer her soul to another body.

[Mr. sickVisionz]

^

Are you sure that makers of the stone always die? I know that Hohenheim died but I never got the impression thats how it is whenever anyone makes a stone. The only other person to make a stone, on the show, died... but he had also just got both of his arms ripped off so you can't really account for that.

[EmberAlchemist0]

^I didn't think Hohenheim died because......
When the stone Hohenheim and Dante had made way back when Dante grabbed the stone and put his soul in the body of another man. His body may have been gone but not his soul.

[sailornyanko]

Hrm.. maybe I was missing something by watching FMA dubbed to spanish. In the Venezuelan spanish dub Dante said that Hohenheim was dying and in a whim of anxiety she did the first thing she could ever think of which was to transfer his soul to the nearest body. He should of been glad she didn't put his soul in the body of a woman (though it would of been awfully funny).

Dante can't put her soul into a homunculli for these reasons:
1- They have no soul to begin with so nothing would switch back. However, perhaps using the alchemy that guy in episode 4 used to swap human souls into dolls with the bodies dying because no soul is transferred back. This technique seemed pretty safe since nothing happened to the man when he did it though perhaps Dante just doesn't know about this technique. Lust did, but who knows, maybe Lust didn't care about talking about this man to Dante because she thought he was pathetic.
2- If you saw episode 4, you can't make a homunculli from a person who's still alive. Nothing happens even thought you got the circle and ingredients right. Dante obviously wouldn't bother making a homunculli herself because that implied she had to die which is the last thing she wants to do. Plus, even if Dante was going through with this, she doesn't have close allies that are that good with alchemy. Wrath can use it, but he probably isn't capable of doing such complex transmutations.
3- With the rare exception of Wrath, homunculli can't use alchemy. Even if Dante successfully transferred her soul into one, she wouldn't be able to use alchemy. If the body gets damaged, she wouldn't be able to make red stones to fix any problems.

[EmberAlchemist0]

^Are you refering to Masahal or Mashahal (sp)? I can't spell his name so I typed it as it is said. He was the one able to place souls into dolls, but there were bad sides to that if they couldn't accpet the doll body right? So..that would be a problem for Dante there I assume.

[sailornyanko]

^Yeah, that's the guy I was thinking about.

Well, who knows how would a human soul react if it were shoved inside of a homunculli. It would be pretty interesting though.

[EmberAlchemist0]

I just thought of another way Dante is an idiot. When this occured:
She had grabbed Gluttony's tounge then making him so he had NO MORE human attachments. All that was left was his urge to feed...then Dante got eaten.
Talk about idiotic!

[Bernard_Monsha]

^I didn't think Hohenheim died because......


Nope he was dead and would have stayed that had Dante not reattached his soul.